Or lies, or cheats or is incompetent or is crooked..

If they act childish, calling them childish isn't name calling.

So, crooked Hillary is acceptable??

I don't have a problem with people saying Trump is childish or immature or arrogant or whatever.. That describes a trait which may or may not be accurate but is sufficiently removed from playground name-calling to be acceptable to me..

I don't call Trump "King Con", "dilated cow anus", or anything other than his name when I refer to him in the messages, so I am already doing my part.

Fair enough. Then, as with Liz, in our discussions I will refrain from referring to Obama as I do...

Michale

Hope you all have a wonderful Fourth of July celebrating all that is good and not think at all about politics ... just have fun!

I'll be watching A Capitol Fourth on PBS - no one does fireworks quite like that! Of course, Franki Valli won't be making an appearance but it should still be a great show. :)

When a political candidate does something that you feel is childish or ignorant, I have no issue with you stating that. If they act childish, calling them childish isn't name calling. I don't call Trump "King Con", "dilated cow anus", or anything other than his name when I refer to him in the messages, so I am already doing my part.

The common ground being, of course that when we discuss the various issues, she doesn't call the leader of the GOP childish and immature names and I don't call the leader of the Democrat Party childish and immature names..

So far, it's worked pretty good for us... :D You want in??

Michale

If you want to discuss the points in comment.....

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/06/29/will-ireland-reunify-after-brexit/#comment-78184

..... I am sure we can find common ground, just as I did with Liz over this issue...

Michale

But you credit Odumbo for creating jobs that he didn't invent or manufacture...

If you use the same litmus test that Balthasar used for Odumbo, then it's clear that Trump created jobs....

Odumbo couldn't make the same claim when he was running for POUTUS..

That is all I am saying..

50-60 comments later, that is all I have ever said..

Michale

No double standard! We don't credit Obama for any of the jobs created by the publishers who published Obama's books.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that's a flaw. :)

Barney Frank has all of the attributes to be a great vice president, just as Jerry Brown has all that is required to be a great president in 2017. Joe Biden has been one of the greatest vice presidents in the history of your great nation.

I could go on ...

And how many jobs did Hussein Odumbo create by inventing or manufacturing??

Do you see the blatant double standard you employ??

Michale

What part of WHEN HE RAN FOR OFFICE do you not understand??

And those jobs were created IN SPITE of Hussein Odumbo and the Democrats...

Not because of...

Michale

In other words, you concede the point by omission..

{ssiiiggghhhhh} OK, I'll take it..

On the other hand, progressives don't have to wonder if they believe Hillary or not.

Over 70% of Americans also don't have to wonder whether they believe Hillary or not..

They have decided that they don't.. They have decided that the BEST word to describe Hillary is "LIAR"...

Let's compare the effect of Republican policy out in the real world:

Of course, you would take the WORST that the GOP has and compare it to the BEST that has happened with DEMs....

Bias much???

I could also find the BEST of the GOP and the WORST of the DEMs and it would prove JUST as much as what you are trying to prove..

Namely, nothing...

You can spin all you want.. But the facts are clear..

Hillary is the establishment, globalist, corporatist, elitist candidate..

And in THIS election, the VAST majority of Americans will NOT vote for such a candidate..

No amount of spin or cheery picked statistics will change that one simple fact..

Michale

Well, it's a good thing you didn't write "Barack Obama", because he'll leave office having created 10 million jobs since 2009.

Which other positions would those be?

What day of the week is it? Which way is the wind blowing? He tells his crowds one thing, and reads something else off a teleprompter the next day.
But, seriously? If suggestions like banning Muslims, engaging in torture, arming elementary school teachers, prosecuting women for having abortions, Scrapping our international treaties and starting trade wars isn't enough, consider the fact that we don't know if he knows if he actually holds any of those positions, or if he's just bullshitting us. His positions are shifting sand.

On the other hand, progressives don't have to wonder if they believe Hillary or not. They've seen the votes she took when she was a Senator. They've seen her as Secretary of State. They know that she means what she says. Unlike Trump, she has actually done some of the things that she is promising to do.

The *ONLY* position that matters here is the position of the '-R' after Trump's name...

It doesn't help.

Let's compare the effect of Republican policy out in the real world: take Kansas, for instance, a bright red state. It's a basket case, headed for another credit rating downgrade.

On the other hand, look at a bright blue state: California, where a Democratic dominated government has turned an 11 billion dollar deficit (left by Terminator) into an 11 billion dollar surplus. And raised taxes on the rich.

Yes, people are hurting. In red states.

I'll give you an 'E' for effort, but a C- minus on addressing the point.. At least you didn't nit-pick unimportant hyperbole...

The point was that Trump has actually created jobs and been successful at businesses which is more than one can say for Hussein Odumbo when HE ran for POTUS..

Now.. Can you... can ANYONE... address THAT point??

Anyone??? Anyone?? Buehler???

But I don't know any liberals who are willing to look past Trump's other positions,

Which other positions would those be?? Fully funding Planned Parenthood?? Taxing the rich??? Eliminating all the needless wars and military adventurism??? Re-doing Trade Agreements so they don't hurt the American middle class??

THOSE positions??

Let's face the facts, Balthasar.....

Other than his immigration position, Trump is a Democrat's wet dream... A fully self-funded candidate who is not beholden to ANYONE except the people who voted for him...

The *ONLY* position that matters here is the position of the '-R' after Trump's name...

Before you point out all of the rich friends that Hillary has, I'd remind you that all of THEM support her knowing that she favors raising tax rates on the rich

.... and also knowing that Hillary just pays LIP SERVICE to the idea and would never actually DO what she says she is going to do.

THAT is why Hillary's rich friends support her..

Michale

Even if it is true that Trump 'created' (mostly minimum wage) jobs worldwide (by licensing his name to products he neither invented nor manufactures, in most cases), it's more or less beside the point. That has no relationship to his ability to wield the authority of American power and law to both improve the lot of ordinary Americans, and improve the lot of all earthlings by being a good global citizen. You know, like not pissing in the water or promoting torture.
Just ask the former GOP nominee, a businessman who has created jobs himself, and who also has some understanding of the role of government. Even HE understands the difference.
Trump has apparently decided to make a play to try to pick up the anti-globalists from the left - disaffected Bernie followers who view Hillary as a capitalist tool. But I don't know any liberals who are willing to look past Trump's other positions, which they view as noxious, to get to some presumed synergy on the subject of elites, one which should be taken with a Trump-tower of salt, given that his whole life has been one giant valentine to the rich, powerful and famous.
Before you point out all of the rich friends that Hillary has, I'd remind you that all of THEM support her knowing that she favors raising tax rates on the rich, fully funding the safety net, and acting like a responsible adult on the world stage.

I'll be happy to source my comment when ya'all actually ADDRESS the point of my comment...

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/07/01/ftp398/#comment-78255

Listen,

You praise Trump for creating "world wide jobs" while bashing NAFTA for causing corporations to do the very same thing!

In the context of my point of that comment, yes...

Just as bashing NAFTA was perfectly acceptable in the point of THAT comment...

Speak,

No worries with the quote. You like to quote.

I know.. It's a sickness.. I can't NOT quote.. :D

"Do ya see that!? She has to touch. She can't NOT touch!!"
-Jeff Goldblum, JURASSIC PARK II: The Lost World

:D

Michale

Once ya'all actually ADDRESS the point...

Michale

You praise Trump for creating "world wide jobs" while bashing NAFTA for causing corporations to do the very same thing! That's the problem when people are so star struck that they cannot see the truth about the object of their obsession!

Just be a sport and tell us where you got the figures. Then everybody can judge the quality of the evidence. It's more fun that way. Or perhaps you are a bit ashamed of your source?

On the subject of World Wide Jobs. In 1950 my old man took a banana boat to Central America, as a sales rep. for a bunch of US companies. He sold everything from pre-fab bridges to shoes, all of it manufactured in the USA. Nice little multiplier effect. That's a World Wide Job of Type A. Another type of world wide job would be to send the old man to China*, were he would have contracted for Chinese manufacturers to build the bridges and shoes for shipment and sale in the US (Type B).

So what's Trump doing: Type A, or Type B? All the cranky Rust Belt Trumpies are angry about Type B, building the stuff overseas and selling it here at Walmart. World Wide Jobs can mean a lot of things, not all of them particularly good for Joe and Jane six pack.

* As it turns out, before he went to Central America, the US Navy send The Old Man to China, where, in his spare time, he sold PX Lucky Strikes (1 buck per carton ) to Chinese Merchants in exchange for a whole lot of interesting artifacts and custom Western Style clothing. World Wide Job Type C.

I to have to go with Stig on this one the Googles don't seem to produce the same information as you have laid out...

Where did you dig up those marketing gems.

Source?

M[32]
No worries with the quote. You like to quote. Wasn't rude. Speaking of, that album [27] was actually Shatner and Nimoy. Don't recall if it was half and half or duets (been a long time since College), but do have it in the back of my mind that it was so horrendously awful that it'd be worth discharging a firearm to prevent a second album.

That would be 3000+ jobs per business, millions implying at least 2 million jobs started. Were they all US jobs, US workers.

What part of WORLD WIDE was unclear??

In yer haste to avoid the main point and nit pick the bean counting, it appears ya stepped on yer wee-wee...

OUCH.... :D

Michale

I hope you accept the Eddie Murphy quote in the tongue in cheek context it was meant.. :D

Michale

You are correct Michale, I was thinking constitutional requirements. I assume (didn't look it up) that age, something to the effect of natural born citizen, and anything else are quals/reqs.

Ahhhh.. So I was correct..

Since the VP may be required to step in as POTUS, all the requirements for POTUS are in place for V POTUS...

For example, Hillary couldn't select Bill as her VP because Bill is not eligible to be POTUS...

Michale

Would you like to try and refute the point??

Or would you just rather nit pick on the bean counting???

Michale

M [13] w/ comment to Balthasar [12]
You are correct Michale, I was thinking constitutional requirements. I assume (didn't look it up) that age, something to the effect of natural born citizen, and anything else are quals/reqs.
Balthasar: You are absolutely correct about non-Con quals, as a more general statement.

EM [23]: HCD

Finally, Barney Frank is 76. I really don't want another 70+ in the Executive Branch. (Sorry, I have been known to exhibit some elements of age-ism, though I don't know if I'd call that a flaw or simply a recognition of reality.)

Trump has started over 600 businesses in his career, giving MILLIONS of jobs to people world-wide....

Might you provide some evidence for the above? It's mystifying Mr. Google! That would be 3000+ jobs per business, millions implying at least 2 million jobs started. Were they all US jobs, US workers. Were any of these jobs in MEXICO? The horror! Call me skeptical, but I suspect the answer to this jobs claim is "blowin' in the wind."

Liz, bonne fete du Canada! That's about as far as my high school French takes me.

:D

Michale

Perhaps..

But it illustrates perfectly the HUGE body count that is associated with the Clintons...

Such a large body count CAN'T all be a coincidence...

Happy Canada Day....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRTwPyIzY4A

:D

Michale

Maybe Clinton could choose Vince Foster.. Ambassador Chris Stevens would be another good choice. And he is gay, to boot...... Maybe Glen Doherty?? Brave military guy...

Michale

Can we say ... death panels! :)

Pluses: Vast govt. experience, knows how to fight in the trenches. Witty, can match Franken for quips. Has been a good surrogate this year.

Neutral: very partisan, speaks his mind, choice would pull Hillary to the left.

Negative: Has a long record of votes that could be picked apart, could be hard to control, identified most often with Dodd-Frank which the GOP has spent years complaining about. Trump would go right after Frank's old boyfriend scandal.

JUST what this country needs... :^/

Michale

Yea... Democrats would NEVER use the recount process to serve their political agenda.. :^/

Michale

My mistake...

My apologies... (BLUE MOON!!!)

:D

Michale

My mistake...

"You know what happens when you make an assumption?? You make an ASS out of U and UMPTION.."

:D

Michale

I'm not sure that applies in a year in which the candidate of one of the major parties has never held any elective office at all, has scant academic credentials, and has never done any of the things that he'd be elected to do, save give speeches, which he does with cringe-inducing regularity.

So that side is lost. On the other side, I would like to see Hillary pick a qualified VP. I still personally think that should be Biden (for a host of reasons), but I will endorse Chris's suggestion of Franken, who inspires a great amount of confidence in me. Hey, maybe she'll surprise everyone and pull Barney Frank out of retirement..

We have a very deep bench...

Trump has started over 600 businesses in his career, giving MILLIONS of jobs to people world-wide....

Out of those 600+ businesses, 4-6 haven't worked out...

Compare that to Odumbo's record and it's clear who the success is and who the success isn't..

I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
-Michael Jordan

Michale

"More so than our current POUTUS had when he ran... Trump is a successful business man and has created millions of jobs for Americans.."

TOO FUNNY!!! I hardly consider someone who has made a virtual career out of series of bankruptcies and failed real estate ventures, not to mention glaring flops like Trump airlines, and Trump steaks, to be a successful businessman!!!

... denying the Democrats a majority in that numeracy-impaired institution (where else is 59 a minority of 100?) except for the period from July 7 to Ted Kennedy's death on August 25.

All the qualifications for POTUS are qualifications for VP...

Michale

Of course, that is unfortunate in the sense that I don't think I'd be as happy with such a choice.

BTW, I believe there is one qualification for VP: There is a minimum age.

Unless Hillary puts an end to her husband's involvement in her campaign, and fast, she won't have to worry about who she chooses for a running mate.

Huuzzaaaaahhh

Indeed, he had better not be part of her administration should she be so lucky as to be elected. Should that happen, she would be wise to impose a separation on their marriage and keep him out of the White House entirely.

Word is, Bubba is going to, at his request, be put in charge of the White House Intern Program, with his buddy, Epstein...

Michale

I have to wonder how the Left would feel about Franken's humor if it were directed at the Right.. :D

Would he still be funny?? :D

And Donald Trump has zero qualifications for the job, at least measured on a traditional yardstick.

More so than our current POUTUS had when he ran... Trump is a successful business man and has created millions of jobs for Americans..

Michale

Indeed, he had better not be part of her administration should she be so lucky as to be elected. Should that happen, she would be wise to impose a separation on their marriage and keep him out of the White House entirely.

Also, for those who haven't read Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot read it -- especially the chapter where he depicts Rush, Oliver North, George Will, Phil Gramm (I think) and a couple other prominent witch-hunter pubs at the time (can't recall offhand) -- in Vietnam. It is hysterical.