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By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:27:06 +0000

Apparently, the majority of Brits agree with me... :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:26:30 +0000

that idea has been done, and it's called charter schools. the individual results are mixed, but the overall systemic impact is very negative. if you're trying to get me to agree with you, that's probably not the route to take. I took a shot.. :D Irregardless, we're likely not going to agree.. I see the value in the middle class forging their own way, out from under the thumb of a faceless un-caring and un-elected bureaucrat whose only metric is the bottom line.. You don't... "Let's agree to disagree." -Boris The Animal, MEN IN BLACK III :D Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:17:20 +0000

the vote was close, and the only expert i cited did not make a prediction either way - he predicted economic contingencies based on both possible outcomes. i refuse to hold myself accountable for someone else's error, and while "y'all" is a perfectly acceptable phrase in conversation, it's not a valid excuse for calling one person out on a different person's error. i own my mistakes (but only when they're mine), and there's a picture of me in a "keep the change" t-shirt to prove it. Yes, things are going to be slow at first. But you can chart your OWN destiny away from the appointed MORONS who think that COMMON CORE is the end all get all... that idea has been done, and it's called charter schools. the individual results are mixed, but the overall systemic impact is very negative. if you're trying to get me to agree with you, that's probably not the route to take. JL

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:57:35 +0000

It's a concept ya'all USED to cherish and approve of when ya'all WERE warriors for the middle class...

Because you sold yer souls to Hussein Odumbo and his elitist corporatist globalist agenda...

Michale..

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:56:02 +0000

i don't recall having made any predictions about the outcome of the brexit vote. why should i acknowledge when somebody else is wrong? Because you are quoting those same "experts" in your predictions.. Experts that DID predict that Brexit would never occur and they were dead on ballz WRONG.. it's not the end of the world, you're not unemployed and destitute, but neither is it business as usual. you may feel the independence is worth the sacrifice, but there WILL be a sacrifice, and most individuals in the office will pay. that's all i'm saying. OK, I understand where you are coming from but you are still wrong. It IS "business as usual" (as liz points out) albeit business is a bit slower.. But BECAUSE I run my own company now, BECAUSE I have broken away from the elitist corporate mentality who doesn't care about my little slice of the world, the slow down is TEMPORARY... And I have much MORE potential NOW than I did under the thumb of Brussels.. Yes, things are slower now... But NOW I can chart my OWN course for the company, away from the dictates of a faceless unelected and inexperienced moron that is Brussels... Now let me give YOU an analogy... You are part of a huge faceless School District who's headquarters are in Bumfuq DC.. You are told to teach this utterly MORONIC set of lessons called COMMON CORE.. You decide, "Frak that!!" and start your own school.... Yes, things are going to be slow at first. But you can chart your OWN destiny away from the appointed MORONS who think that COMMON CORE is the end all get all... The Brits have taken their destiny into their OWN hands.. NOW they can govern themselves rather than being directed by some un-elected MORON who doesn't know the first thing about their culture.... Yes, it's going to be slower and hard at first... But their destiny is their own... Not directed by some faceless clod in Brussels.. You see where I am coming from??? Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:43:03 +0000

i don't recall having made any predictions about the outcome of the brexit vote. why should i acknowledge when somebody else is wrong? “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” i guess HL Mencken's timeless words apply to the english public as well. let me try an analogy on the micro level so you'll understand this. let's say you have a job at a big firm that pays you 80K a year. your office decides they don't like all the company rules and people from other departments traipsing through. so, you all decide to break away and start your own firm. but without the rest of the company you have fewer connections, fewer resources, tougher competition and less ability to earn, so your new salary is only 60K a year, and your future prospects for a raise are slimmer than they were before. furthermore, some departments in your office are unhappy leaving the original company and want to go back. it's not the end of the world, you're not unemployed and destitute, but neither is it business as usual. you may feel the independence is worth the sacrifice, but there WILL be a sacrifice, and most individuals in the office will pay. that's all i'm saying.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:30:53 +0000

Just a hint..

Your argument would have a LOT more credibility if ya at least ACKNOWLEDGED how wrong everyone was to begin with...

But, by ignoring the FACTS on how wrong ya'all were, you simply lose any credible argument you might have been able to make...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:28:55 +0000

The problem is you see argument 1 as a different argument than argument 2...

But what you don't realize is that they are part and parcel to the SAME argument..

It's the political agenda that is coloring the economic argument..

Just like with the global warming fanatics..

The political agenda colors the "science" argument...

Ya'all have been wrong at every turn because ya'all are ignoring reality in favor of the political agenda...

Trump would NEVER be the GOP nominee because it goes against ya'all's political agenda..

Britain would NEVER vote to leave the PU because it goes against ya'all's political agenda..

The Daesch would NEVER be able to mount significant terrorist attacks because they are the JV and they are contained..

Ya'all have been wrong about EVERYTHING...

So, why should anyone believe ya'all are right about the economic fallout???

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:05:46 +0000

two straw men for the price of one? okay, sure:

straw man 1: And not all those economists could be wrong that Brexit would never happen..

that was politics, not economics. politics, obviously, is much less predictable. if it weren't, this blog would be a lot more boring. not that economics is an exact science either, but it's much more reliable than most social science, and certainly more reliable than nate silver.

straw man 2 + ad hominem:Neither do those elitists and corporatists who predict an economic collapse....

not collapse, decline. say it with me now, slowly this time. not collapse. not armageddon. not ho-hum, not business as usual. decline. significantly less than before. simple.

many very intelligent people who have no corporate allegiance see the reasons why british economic decline is an inevitable consequence of brexit.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:46:17 +0000

the english pound has lost 10% of its value vs. the US$ in the past week. that's a true fact. non-partisan currency projections are for it to drop another 5%, and for the euro to eventually lose value as well. unless that loss somehow magically reverses, the price of pretty much everything in britain will continue to rise. every industry except exports and tourism will suffer. that's real and based on fundamental economic principles, not some wild opinion of mine. And yet... "everything and everyone will continue on, business as usual." Nothing bad is going to happen... There are no mass suicides of the peasants.. There are no storming of the castle walls... 68% of scotland, and 56% of northern ireland, and economists world-wide could not ALL be under the sway of unfounded "sky is falling" fear. And not all those economists could be wrong that Brexit would never happen.. Yet they were..... It's like FOS Bashi bringing up Nate Silver's prediction and treating it as gospel..... Silver has absolutely NO CREDIBILITY.... Neither do those elitists and corporatists who predict an economic collapse.... Fear mongering doesn't work anymore.. The people are on to that... :D Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:04:30 +0000

Yea, that's what you keep saying..

yet you read the same words i wrote and somehow get the idea that i'm predicting armageddon. have you read the ritholtz article yet? it's not that long.

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:56:16 +0000

Yet, there is no evidence of this, save the scare mongering from the elitists, corporatists and globalists..

68% of scotland, and 56% of northern ireland, and economists world-wide could not ALL be under the sway of unfounded "sky is falling" fear. their fears are realistic and factually justified. the rest of your argument is ad hominem, duly ignored.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:53:40 +0000

The answer lies simply in the knowledge that pollsters have not been very reliable of late.

Nor has anyone here in Weigantia...

Well, except for yours truly.. :D

just real, tangible, substantial pain in the wallet.

Yea, that's what you keep saying..

Yet, there is no evidence of this, save the scare mongering from the elitists, corporatists and globalists..

as to whether or not that pain is worth it? as of right now, not to scotland. not to northern ireland. wales and england perhaps, but even they may find the independence not worth the cost, once they actually find themselves paying it.

Yes.. That's what the elitists, corporatists and globalists keep saying...

The same mor.... er.. people who claimed that Britain would NEVER vote to leave the PU...

They were wrong then... They'll be wrong again...

It's that simple..

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 05:02:10 +0000

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 04:48:34 +0000

The sky is NOT falling, nothing cataclysmic is happening and there are minor fluctuations....Ho hum... nothing major happening...

yes, yes, no, no and no.

the sky doesn't need to fall for people to be seriously impacted. there's a lot of territory between brexit and weimar germany, for example, but people on the street will still feel the change. the impact we're seeing is fairly major and not mere fluctuations.

not cataclysm.

not apocalypse.

just real, tangible, substantial pain in the wallet.

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:09:41 +0000

But only if your answer doesn't talk down to Trump supporters or accuse them of being ignorant and stoopid.. I resemble that remark. The answer lies simply in the knowledge that pollsters have not been very reliable of late.

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:46:45 +0000

Oh, the hysteria!

Yea, here in Weigantia..

In the REAL world, they are known as facts.. :D

Get used to it, sunshine.. Yer gonna be seeing a LOT of facts over the coming months.. :D

Michale

By: BashiBazouk

BashiBazouk — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:13:34 +0000

Oh, the hysteria!

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:25:57 +0000

The sky is NOT falling, nothing cataclysmic is happening and there are minor fluctuations....

Seems to me a VERY small price to pay for a people re-asserting their authority over their own country and striking a blow to corporatism...

Ya know...??? They kinds of things ya'all USED to believe before you sold your souls on the almighty altar of globalism, elitism and corporatism......

CONFORMITY..... STATUS QUO..... ESTABLISHMENT....

FRAK the Middle Class.....

That's what ya'all are all about now.... :^/

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 19:24:29 +0000

OK.. So we agree..

The sky is NOT falling, nothing cataclysmic is happening and there are minor fluctuations....

Ho hum... nothing major happening...

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:15:58 +0000

reading comprehension please?

there's a negative financial impact right now, and economists predict that trend to continue toward recession going forward. that's NOT cataclysmic and the sky will NOT fall, but the value of the english pound has already suffered, and english buying power is reduced, even domestically. that's factually accurate. you really might benefit from reading the ritholtz article i cited in [156].

read carefully please.

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:49:32 +0000

Ya'all's reaction is the EXACT reason that Brexit happened..

Ya'all try to control thru fear-mongering, the facts be damned...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:48:30 +0000

no, even domestic producers depend on global resources, factors of production and travel costs, in addition to which they're scared of the impending recession and in shorter supply, so their prices are up to meet the market. there's no escaping the negative financial impact of brexit. "THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!" -Chicken Little :D Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:47:33 +0000

four months from now, the british economy will almost certainly be in recession. what now seems like a populist wave will then be a cautionary tale. Nothing but fear mongering... "I don't anticipate that there's going to be major, cataclysmic changes as a consequence of this." -Hussein Odumbo So, which is it??? Is it the end of the world, as you claim it is?? Or is it "eh, no biggie" as Hussein Odumbo claims it is??? Pick a lane... "You gotta pick a lane.." -Boogertron, SUPERNATURAL :D Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:44:28 +0000

Which means that they can buy something NOT imported for a LOT cheaper AND it rewards the local businesses AND supports the local community and economy..

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:18:23 +0000

that's just factually not true. any middle class brit who wants to buy something imported now has to pay a LOT more for it than they did last week.

Recently I visited Northern Ireland, which is part of the U.K., and the Irish Republic, and found evidence of what Sanders is talking about in fishing communities from County Down to Donegal.

In the picturesque Ulster village of Portavogie, 100 commercial fishing boats belonging to local fishing families once plied the Irish Sea. Today, there are only 40, and what they can catch and where they can fish is determined by bureaucrats in Brussels. But thanks to Brexit, those territorial waters, and the shrimp they are known for, once again belong to the British.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/06/26/is_brexi

Again, I am simply gabberflasted that ya'all are defending the corporatists and throwing the middle class to the wolves..

Is Party Loyalty THAT important???

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:15:18 +0000

that's just factually not true. any middle class brit who wants to buy something imported now has to pay a LOT more for it than they did last week.

Which means that they can buy something NOT imported for a LOT cheaper AND it rewards the local businesses AND supports the local community and economy..

It's a WIN WIN WIN for the middle class..

You remember the Middle Class, right?? The people that the Left Wingery USED to care about???

Before they sold their souls to the almighty corporations...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:13:09 +0000

Things like NOT LYING is only important when the President has a -R after their name... :^/

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:12:02 +0000

. i'm fully aware of ALL her many and myriad negatives,

You just don't believe any of them.

Or worse, you believe them but don't care...

Michale...

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:51:46 +0000

But not for the middle class... Their lives are no different

that's just factually not true. any middle class brit who wants to buy something imported now has to pay a LOT more for it than they did last week.

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:43:04 +0000

i'm sure many brexit voters are very smart people as well, but it's still a dumb decision In YOUR opinion.. That's my point.. You can't even conceive you could be wrong.. and is already having severe consequences on the british economy. Maybe for the elitists and the corporatists... But not for the middle class... Their lives are no different, but WILL be better in the long run.. four months from now, the british economy will almost certainly be in recession. Yea.. And Trump will NEVER be the GOP nominee... :D Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:38:56 +0000

here's barry ritholtz's take on it:

http://ritholtz.com/2016/06/things-may-not-thought-regarding-brexit/

Nobody Knows Anything
~william goldman

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:16:35 +0000

And ya'all were ga-ga for Bernie.... Until ya'all sold your soul for the rhymes-with-witch Clinton... in this election cycle i've supported clinton from the get-go. i'm fully aware of ALL her many and myriad negatives, especially the corporate ones, but simply put i still think she'd be best by far at doing the job of president. Your answer must predicate that Trump voters are at least as smart as ya'all are... smart people and smart actions are two different things. i'm sure many brexit voters are very smart people as well, but it's still a dumb decision and is already having severe consequences on the british economy. four months from now, the british economy will almost certainly be in recession. what now seems like a populist wave will then be a cautionary tale. don't mess with the bull young man. you'll get the horns ~the breakfast club JL

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:27:32 +0000

Do you want me to answer that?

"I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THIS!!"
-Joe Pesci, MY COUSIN VINNY

But only if your answer doesn't talk down to Trump supporters or accuse them of being ignorant and stoopid..

Your answer must predicate that Trump voters are at least as smart as ya'all are...

Have a ball... :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:27:32 +0000

Do you want me to answer that?

"I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THIS!!"
-Joe Pesci, MY COUSIN VINNY

But only if your answer doesn't talk down to Trump supporters or accuse them of being ignorant and stoopid..

Your answer must predicate that Trump voters are at least as smart as ya'all are...

Have a ball... :D

Michale

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:09:26 +0000

If Trump is so bad, why are the polls so close??

Do you want me to answer that?

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:30:50 +0000

Utah’s Misty Snow makes history as Dems’ transgender Senate nominee

Snow began living openly as woman in October 2014 and believes being a transgender person, a rarity in U.S. politics, will drum up attention and campaign money, while her Sanders-inspired run will fire up Democrats and some independents.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/4060147-155/utahs-misty-snow-makes-history-as

TRANSLATION: I am no different than anyone else, but I am using my difference to further my political agenda that says I am no different than anyone else..

What IS it about the Left that they always claim that they don't want to label people, but then they go OUT OF THEIR WAY to label people...

Left Winger 'logic'... :^/

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:14:44 +0000

Democrat Hillary Clinton has 42 percent to Republican Donald Trump's 40 percent - too close to call - as American voters say neither candidate would be a good president and that the campaign has increased hatred and prejudice in the nation, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.

This compares to results of a June 1 national poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN- uh-pe-ack) University, showing Clinton edging Trump 45 - 41 percent.
http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2363

If Trump is so bad, why are the polls so close??

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:50:39 +0000

Report: Adult Refugees Enrolled In Canadian High School, Harassing Young Girls
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/28/report-adult-refugees-enrolled-in-canadian-high-school-harassing-young-girls/

Yea... Integrating refugees into western communities..

What could go wrong!?? :^/

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 08:36:59 +0000

The Remainders remained home; the silent ones didn’t If you want to know who didn’t go out and vote – it’s the people hilariously demanding a second chance. The people who were sure Brexit wasn’t going to happen, were so sure it wasn’t going to happen, that they didn’t bother to get off their arses and vote. Now they want a do-over, a redo, calling this election a mulligan. I don’t think it works that way. If you didn’t take it seriously the first time, and everyone else who voted did – that’s on you. You were caught out in your arrogance and ignorance, assuming everyone who was for the exit was a frail, white angry pensioner. Turns out they were people you know – they just never told you so!

While you ragged on and on about the bigotry of the leavers at a cocktail party in Chelsea or a pub in Islington, those who disagreed just silently nodded, hoping you’d shut up at some point.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/06/28/greg-gutfeld-brexits-babies-why-leavers-won-and-losers-cant-stop-crying.html?intcmp=hplnws

Like I said..

Ya'all lost... Your precious globalists and corporations lost..

Quit whining about it...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 08:27:27 +0000

I mean, after all.. Bernie is on the same side as me..

And ya'all were ga-ga for Bernie.... Until ya'all sold your soul for the rhymes-with-witch Clinton...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 08:26:16 +0000

brexit? well, it was a nice thought, just not that bright. for the people? sure. against corporate hegemony? maybe. but whatever the motivation behind it, stupid is still stupid.

In YOUR opinion..

Can you allow for the possibility that YOU are wrong and ALL THE MILLIONS of Brits who voted to regain their country are right???

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 04:21:18 +0000

brexit? well, it was a nice thought, just not that bright. for the people? sure. against corporate hegemony? maybe. but whatever the motivation behind it, stupid is still stupid.

Mr. Gumby (Michael Palin): Basically, I believe in peace and bashing two bricks together.

John Lennon (Eric Idle): I'm starting a war for peace.

Shabby (Michael Palin): Cor blimey. I'm raising polecats for peace.
~monty python's flying circus

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:23:02 +0000

I don't understand all the commotion with these terrorists..

They are just the JV and Obama has them contained...

Apparently, the TERRORISTS don't know that they are just the JV and they are contained...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:23:01 +0000

I don't understand all the commotion with these terrorists..

They are just the JV and Obama has them contained...

Apparently, the TERRORISTS don't know that they are just the JV and they are contained...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:00:50 +0000

Hay...

Don't take my word for it..

BERNIE: GLOBALISM FAILING, DEMS BETTER WAKE UP...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/opinion/campaign-stops/bernie-sanders-democrats-need-to-wake-up.html?_r=0&mtrref=drudgereport.com&gwh=98FECFD90AA203272F54E41437F0423D&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:40:33 +0000

One really has to wonder..

How is it that the Left Wingery went from warriors for the middle class to corporatist globalist lackey in so short a time....

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:19:47 +0000

Interesting question, considering the Republicans' general attitude toward the current, twice-elected occupant of the oval office

They have never questioned the vote of the people.. They questioned the SANITY of it..

Logical, considering...

Polls seem to suggest that the Brexit crisis has made a lot of Americans stop and think about the actual fallout of a Trump election in less than abstract terms.

Yea... And the EU has a lot of support in email... :D

Maybe some are not so sure that their protest vote won't boomerang back on them as the Brexit vote did on the Brits.

What boomerang was that??? More dire scaremongering from the elitists and the corporatists?? :D

Ooooooo scary... :D

Let's face reality, shall we..

The people of Britain will be much better off out of the EU??

The elitists and the corporatists and the globalists???

Not so much..

Who do YOU side with?? :D

The answer is obvious...

Michale

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 12:55:23 +0000

Hillary will have to face a second election in the fall of 2020, but not a third, because Republicans re-wrote the constitution to say that they don't have to run against popular democrats more than twice in a row anymore. At what point to ya'all give up and accept the will of the people?? Interesting question, considering the Republicans' general attitude toward the current, twice-elected occupant of the oval office. Polls seem to suggest that the Brexit crisis has made a lot of Americans stop and think about the actual fallout of a Trump election in less than abstract terms. Maybe some are not so sure that their protest vote won't boomerang back on them as the Brexit vote did on the Brits. And of course Trump keeps committing unforced errors in these crisis. Remember John McCain's stumble during the economic crisis? Trump is doing that right now, over and over again. It's hurting him.

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:55:45 +0000

Why indeed not call a second referendum?

OK, then if Hillary wins the election, let's call a SECOND election in June of 2017.... :D And if Hillary wins THAT.. Let's call a third election...

At what point to ya'all give up and accept the will of the people??

If the globalists and the elitists succeed in overturning the will of the people, then the people are left with only one recourse..

Armed rebellion...

One would think that the British, of ALL people, would understand that... :^/

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:49:53 +0000

Democrats on guard over Brexit’s angry populism

As Mr Trump was claiming during a visit to Scotland that the fall in sterling after Brexit would help his golf resort at Turnbury, Mrs Clinton was arguing that the outcome reinforced the need for “calm, steady, experienced leadership” in the White House. But critics counter that she is the embodiment of the establishment in a year when anti-establishment forces are strong. Her “Stronger Together” campaign slogan bears an uncanny resemblance to the “Stronger In” campaign that failed to convince the working-class voters who voted for Brexit.
“Some in the press and the Democratic party may be underestimating Trump. Republicans are not. Hillary Clinton should be very worried,” says John Barrasso, a Republican senator from Wyoming. “If the election comes down to change vs more of the same, Donald Trump will be the next president of the US.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6d8fac80-3c7f-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0.html#axzz4CrwYWAWe

That's what ya'all just DON'T get..

The same "We're fed up and we're not going to take it anymore!!" mentality that pushed the BREXIT to victory in a landslide is the SAME mentality that fuels Trump's campaign..

And, like BREXIT, the Left Wingery will be all a-twitter on the day after Trump wins in a landslide, wondering how they could not see this coming???

All the signs are there, my friends... You just refuse to believe your own eyes and, instead, just rely on Party dogma and ideology...

"We're at war with East Asia.. We have always been at war with East Asia"
-1984

If there is a flaw in my logic... By all means.. Point it out...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:38:23 +0000

Here's what ya'all just don't get about the BREXIT issue..

The same people who said that Britain would NEVER leave the EU..... The same people who said that Trump would NEVER be the GOP nominee...

Those are the EXACT SAME people who are saying that Trump will NEVER be POTUS...

They (and ya'all incidentally) have been wrong at every turn..

What makes them (and ya'all) think you are going to be right about President Trump???

Anyone??? Anyone??? Buehler???

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:39:03 +0000

In all the recent events, Edmund Hillary's pending FBI Indictment Recommendation has been pushed to the way side..

So, let's review the facts..

“There is simply no doubt that the FBI is going to recommend a series of charges to Attorney General Lynch.

First of all, the key to this is the private server. The existence of that server and its use by Hillary and her aides in an unencrypted mode, along with all their unencrypted personal devices, is a per se violation of the Espionage Act. It is the failure to properly store, maintain and protect classified information.

The FBI already has established a criminal case against a number of people on that charge, including Gen. David Petraeus, the former director of the CIA.
The FBI, by virtue of seizing not only Hillary Clinton’s server but also numerous servers at the State Department, has begun to unravel the various communication levels and levels of classification beyond what the State Department is slowly releasing to the public.

The FBI is acting on the basis that the server was set up purposefully to avoid disclosure to the public, the press, the Congress and the courts in response to legitimate legal requests and in response to subpoena.
That establishes the intent necessary for criminal activity, in the area of negligent handling of classified information”
-Former US Attorney Joseph diGenova

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:15:00 +0000

As far as your idea that the people have demanded a second referendum??

An online petition demanding that referendum has tens of thousands of forged signatures...

The will of the people has spoken..

Ya'all lost...

Get over it.

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:12:38 +0000

Since these questions were ignored, let me repeat them..

Because they are at the heart of the issues...

Doesn't it concern you that EVERY global corporation, EVERY corporation that ya'all have deemed evil and corrupt....???

EVERY ONE of them is FOR the creation of Euro superstate??

Doesn't that concern you???

Ya'all went batshit crazy because corporations were considered people..

But NOW!??? NOW ya'all are simply ecstatic about the idea of corporations being GOVERNMENTS!!!???

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:07:37 +0000

It's funny the timing of the EuroSuperstate with it's own standing army... Brussels is pushing for the superstate now because they are afraid more countries will follow Britain's example.. The agenda is crystal-clear.. Ignore the will of the people... Push the Globalist Corporatist agenda.. Ya'all DO realize that ya'all won't have a moral leg to stand on when ya'all claim to support the middle class and the "little guy", right?? Because it's the middle class and the little guy that is getting totally scrooed by the globalist corporatist agenda.. "The will of the people!!??? Bah!! Who needs it! Globalism!! Corporatism!!! THAT's the ticket..." -The Democrat Party Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:07:30 +0000

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:39:14 +0000

The Manichean Republican mind tends to frame every question as a binary choice: yes - no, good - bad, good - evil. If the Democrats don't like the way that corporations manipulate government for their own ends, he thinks, "Therefore, Democrats hate Corporations.

Oh give me a break..

I have been treated for TEN YEARS of how bad and evil the corporations are here in Weigantia...

Now that ya'all have switched allegiances and are in the pocket of the corporations, NOW you try to equivocate and convince me that corporations are good and doing the right thing...

Com'on... I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night... :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:39:05 +0000

Oh give me a break..

I have been treated for TEN YEARS of how bad and evil the corporations are here in Weigantia...

Now that ya'all have switched allegiances and are in the pocket of the corporations, NOW you try to equivocate and convince me that corporations are good and doing the right thing...

Com'on... I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night... :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:17:19 +0000

Ya'all can rationalize it all you want... But it doesn't change the FACT that ya'all are on the side of the evil corporations and against the will of the people.. "These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed." -Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN Michale

By: Paula

Paula — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 02:34:54 +0000

[126] Yep!

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:32:04 +0000

Re: [124] But your argument is nonsensical. Democrats, for very good reasons have always supported the European Union, and are dismayed that voters in England, some of whom took this referendum in very ugly directions - an MP was shot, after all - voted with nationalistic fervor to leave it. Sure, corporations are involved - aren't they always? - but it was the lads of Lewdsbury who did this one. Perhaps the problem is that you're applying Republican logic to your analysis of Democrats' thinking. The Manichean Republican mind tends to frame every question as a binary choice: yes - no, good - bad, good - evil. If the Democrats don't like the way that corporations manipulate government for their own ends, he thinks, "Therefore, Democrats hate Corporations. The concept, 'I don't like it, but I don't hate it." rarely occurs. If the Manichean mind has just two buttons on his control panel, the liberal mind has a slider bar. Real liberals don't paint with one paintbrush and color all corporations, all people of an ethnic group, or everybody with a limp as either good or bad. Most democrats can tell you something good about every republican idea, even the ones they despise. Manicheans can't imagine that. Trump, for instance, views everything as a zero-sum game: I win, you lose. Black-white. No wonder that he's paranoid and thin-skinned if he thinks that every criticism of him is a declaration of war. And he doesn't know how to move to the political middle because he can't see it. From his perspective asking him to move to the middle is like asking Indiana Jones to step off the ledge ("The path is there, you just have to believe in it").

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:22:19 +0000

No, no. I call BS on that. Righties are playing like they're suddenly bolsheviks in the hope of picking up Bernie fans. The real plan is sitting on Paul Ryan's desk, and it LOVES corporate America. Big bear hug and kisses. Gives Ayn Rand out for Christmas, right? And yet, it's Obama and the Democrats pushing SUPER CORPORATE STATES and FREE TRADE... But to solve the toothache that was the EU bureaucracy, the Britons have decided to employ the extraordinary plan of putting a gun to their collective cheek and pulling the trigger. That's just what the evil corporations WANT you to believe... So far, all we've actually seen are the markets, saying collectively, and very loudly: "Are you out of your f**king minds?", while Parliament ponders whether it can take a Mulligan on this one. Of course.. The evil corporations are pulling the puppet strings to overturn the will of the people.. And ya'all are cheering them on! It's gabberflasting.. The PEOPLE have spoken.. Ya'all used to claim ya'all represent the people.. But now Obama loyalty is more important than that.. :D Michale...

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:15:42 +0000

Because it's being pushed by corporate entities AGAINST the will of the people.. Ya'all have convinced me that corporations are evil and bad.. No, no. I call BS on that. Righties are playing like they're suddenly bolsheviks in the hope of picking up Bernie fans. The real plan is sitting on Paul Ryan's desk, and it LOVES corporate America. Big bear hug and kisses. Gives Ayn Rand out for Christmas, right? Peasants with pitchforks notwithstanding, that guy will still be in power next February, barring an election blowout that cripples the GOP down-ballot as well. If you really want to shake up the centers of power on Wall Street, hope that Hillary puts Elizabeth Warren on the ticket. They hate her. But to solve the toothache that was the EU bureaucracy, the Britons have decided to employ the extraordinary plan of putting a gun to their collective cheek and pulling the trigger. Corporate bad guys or not, that's just not a very good idea. The good news is, they haven't actually given the EU notice that they plan to leave yet, which has to happen before the process begins. So far, all we've actually seen are the markets, saying collectively, and very loudly: "Are you out of your f**king minds?", while Parliament ponders whether it can take a Mulligan on this one.

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:30:40 +0000

Yeah, those were two of the ones that tripped me up. The other two were; what did Dr. McCoy never claim to be? (He has claimed not to be so many things!!!.) and who was the first Spock ever mind melded with? I don't remember that character Simon at all.

Yea, those were close.. I remembered Dr Simon Geller from DAGGER OF THE MIND.. I knew it was an early episode, so I figured it was the first time..

The McCoy one was also a guess.. Like you said, he has claimed so many things.. I just chose the one that was least familiar.. :D

Why is it so hard to believe??? Why is it evil?

Because it's being pushed by corporate entities AGAINST the will of the people..

Ya'all have convinced me that corporations are evil and bad..

NOW you are all for them creating superstates???

The beloved Star Trek Universe is built on the notion of a United Earth, i.e. a one world Federal government. So why is it surprising? Even Picard spoke in one Star Trek episode about the "European Hegemony" as being one of the first steps Earth had taken towards a true planetary world government. That he did not like the idea of admitting to the Federation only part of a planet. Crusher even mentioned Australia being one of the last nations to join the United Earth government before the Federation was formed.

As I have said, I am all for a United Earth...

But I am for a United Earth based on cooperation of people and governments..

Not imposed by corporate entities..

Doesn't it concern you that EVERY global corporation, EVERY corporation that ya'all have deemed evil and corrupt....???

EVERY ONE of them is FOR the creation of a superstate??

Doesn't that concern you???

Ya'all went batshit crazy because corporations were considered people..

But NOW!??? NOW ya'all are simply ecstatic about the idea of corporations being GOVERNMENTS!!!???

All because Obama, Hillary and the Democrats are for it...

Globalism.. Corporatism... FREE TRADE...

What kind of Democrats are ya'all!???

Michale

By: John M

John M — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:50:38 +0000

Michale wrote:

"European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit
And the evil agenda is revealed...
I honestly can't believe ya'all are for this...
It's gabberflasting..."

Why is it so hard to believe??? Why is it evil?

1.) It has been American policy since the end of WWII by all administrations both Democratic and Republican, to support and encourage European integration.

2.) The USA is an AMERICAN superstate built on Federalism. So why is it bad for the European continent but good for the American continent?

3.) The beloved Star Trek Universe is built on the notion of a United Earth, i.e. a one world Federal government. So why is it surprising? Even Picard spoke in one Star Trek episode about the "European Hegemony" as being one of the first steps Earth had taken towards a true planetary world government. That he did not like the idea of admitting to the Federation only part of a planet. Crusher even mentioned Australia being one of the last nations to join the United Earth government before the Federation was formed.

By: John M

John M — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:41:22 +0000

Michale wrote:

"Don't feel bad.. Some of them were tough..
Beyond the PHASE II one, the one that almost tripped me up was WHICH FAMOUS HISTORICAL PERSON DID KIRK AND SPOCK NOT MEET...
I almost selected DaVinci, but then I remembered Spock's line about recognizing the brush strokes of a Flint painting..."

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:53:38 +0000

European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

And the evil agenda is revealed...

I honestly can't believe ya'all are for this...

It's gabberflasting...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:54:00 +0000

FINALLY. GOOD! At LEAST I got you to correct yourself, and you went from the FALSE assertion that Democrats shut down the WHOLE government to shutting down the HOUSE ONLY. So they were NOT in the same league as what the Republicans did AT ALL. Like I said.. Semantics.. "Oh, the Democrats just shut down a LITTLE bit of the government to get their way. THAT's different" Democrats and Republicans use the same methods to achieve the same goals... When Republicans do it, it's pure evil incarnate... When Democrats do it, it's pure as the driven snow.. "Woops... Looks like the driven snow has a few tire tracks thru it..." -Joyce DeWitt, THREES COMPANY :D Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:33:42 +0000

Clinton says that the US needs an "experienced" leader to avoid the troubles of this country.. Uh.... Someone correct me, but it's those "experienced" leaders who CAUSED the troubles... It's like when these foreign policy "experts" complain about Trump... Yet, it's those same "experts" that royally frak'ed things up!! It's like listening to bankers who caused an economic meltdown on how to fix it... Oh wait..... Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:21:41 +0000

Britain "may never" trigger the formal divorce process with the EU despite last week's referendum in which the country voted to leave, EU diplomats said Sunday. "My personal belief is they will never notify" the EU about their intention to leave, a senior EU diplomat said on condition of anonymity. -EU Diplomat Is this the same EU diplomat who said that Britain would never vote to leave the EU.. :D Meanwhile the EU had received "thousands" of emails from Britons since Friday saying they were unhappy with the result, including some from people who had voted to leave the EU and were now regretting it. "It's the first time after a decade of hate mail from Britain, we are flooded with love emails," said the diplomat. "We have a lot of support in email" :D heh Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:01:20 +0000

On the Star Trek quiz, I am ashamed to say that I did not do better than getting 32 out of 36, SIGH!

Don't feel bad.. Some of them were tough..

Beyond the PHASE II one, the one that almost tripped me up was WHICH FAMOUS HISTORICAL PERSON DID KIRK AND SPOCK NOT MEET...

I almost selected DaVinci, but then I remembered Spock's line about recognizing the brush strokes of a Flint painting...

Michale

By: John M

John M — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 10:53:19 +0000

On the Star Trek quiz, I am ashamed to say that I did not do better than getting 32 out of 36, SIGH!

By: John M

John M — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 10:37:02 +0000

Michale wrote:

"The intent was to shut down the House until such time as the Democrats demands were met...

You can semanticize it all you want...

But the facts are the facts.."

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:28:23 +0000

Well, ya guys are in great company...

Linsay Lohan ALSO sides with the globalists, corporatists, elitist side...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:28:16 +0000

Well, ya guys are in great company...

Linsay Lohan ALSO sides with the globalists, corporatists, elitist side...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:17:41 +0000

Also of note, Hillary takes a 51 to 39 lead over Trump in new ABC poll -- fwiw. I don't think Trumpty's infomercial about his golf course went over very well; his timing was atrocious and his clear lack of grasp about the events re: Brexit -- beyond words. Why is everyone so shocked about the BREXIT win??? I know, I know.. Odumbo wanted GB to stay under the thumb of an appointed government that is the PU... And that's good enough for ya'all... But seriously... Doesn't it bother ya'all just a little that ya'all are on the same side as the fat cat bankers and the evil corporate CEOs??? Doesn't that bother ya'all at all??? Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:07:23 +0000

The news if filling up with reports of folks who regret their Brexit votes.

Here's a link to the Huffpo post I'm referencing.

Huffpoop??

'nuff said.. :D

Michale

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 02:16:49 +0000

Oh, yes ... let the healing begin.

By: Paula

Paula — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:36:21 +0000

Also of note, Hillary takes a 51 to 39 lead over Trump in new ABC poll -- fwiw. I don't think Trumpty's infomercial about his golf course went over very well; his timing was atrocious and his clear lack of grasp about the events re: Brexit -- beyond words. Meanwhile, George F. Will becomes an independent. I will feel more respect for the man when he quits his gig at FOX -- the home of all-things-horrible-re-republicanism. George crossed the line years ago, finally HAD to go to FOX because he'd become such a water-carrier for the far-right ABC couldn't tolerate him anymore. (Or whatever network he used to appear on.) He says it's not his party anymore but he is most definitely complicit in what it has become. When he admits that, the healing can begin....

By: Paula

Paula — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:27:09 +0000

[57] Listen: Yep, well stated. It is amazing the speed and depth of the regret being reported re: the Brexit. I don't think Brexit was the answer. The answer is to end the austerity being imposed on people. Or, at least, A answer. I'm sure it's not the total solution but it's a start. It will be interesting if the whole thing just gets ignored/reversed -- that's probably the best solution. That way the point will have been made by people who feel fed-up; the point will have been received by people who didn't grasp the depths of the problems people were facing, and maybe something constructive can start to occur.

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 22:14:03 +0000

The news if filling up with reports of folks who regret their Brexit votes. Apparently, a lot of people didn't expect this effort to leave to pass, so cast their 'leave' vote as a protest vote, and are now regretful about it. Others were so certain that the 'remain' side would win, that they didn't bother to vote. One fellow, interviewed on the BBC, said that he didn't think his 'leave' vote would count, and regretted it immediately. Others changed their minds after seeing the disastrous market results and hearing the commentary that accompanied the news. One woman said she was "conned" into believing that a "leave" vote would fill GB coffers with cash. "we need another referendum, she says." Why indeed not call a second referendum? Every proposal requires a 'second' under Robert's Rules of Order. If the 'leave' side is really sure that the folks who voted for their side did so knowing fully well what that vote meant for themselves and their country, then what have they to fear from another one, two or three more votes? Are they bigger whimps than Scott Walker? Because he didn't even sweat his recall vote, and he'd tell you - you're stronger after the second win. Here's a link to the Huffpo post I'm referencing.

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 20:44:14 +0000

The Phase II project was forgettable in so many ways..

But they're planning a new Star Trek series that does NOT follow the alternate timeline of the movies.

I rather like the new movie timeline. No more need to wonder why ST art departments refuse to apply any sort of consistency to Vulcan, other than to imply that Vulcans are some sort of mole people who rarely put structures above ground. Romulus has always looked more advanced than Vulcan. Maybe Vulcans advanced their mental abilities by rejecting architecture.

Fun Fact: Seeing the new movie will be my birthday present this year.

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:30:21 +0000

Some of them were very tough... I had to guess at one, which was the STAR TREK PHASE II question......

Michale

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:24:50 +0000

25 out of 36.

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:36:52 +0000

http://www.zoo.com/quiz/live-long-prosper-the-ultimate-star-trek-quiz?mkcpgn=i600002325&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=Zoo-StarTrek(RON-desktop)&utm_term=nytrng-pressdemocrat&utm_content=%5BOriginal+Star+Trek+Quiz%5D+Resistance+is+Futile%21

36 out of 36 with no hints...

Beat that!!! :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:17:33 +0000

at the moment, neither does he.

Touche' :D

Good one... :D

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:11:24 +0000

at the moment, neither does he.

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:06:49 +0000

Never heard of him...

But, that doesn't say much since I don't really much care for the GOP....

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:03:49 +0000

seriously? george will has been the conservative author i most respect for over a decade, and a lion of US conservatism for much, much longer. he is well informed, well reasoned, and often makes me doubt my premises, which is what a great opposition author ought to do.

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:56:49 +0000

Let's face it.. Trump is as much a REAL Democrat as he is a Republican....

That is why he is going to demolish Hillary...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:56:03 +0000

Did'ja see that George Will left the Republican Party?

Who???

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:55:18 +0000

that is a million percent untrue. the issue is incredibly complex.

Unless, of course, the vote would have gone the Democrat Party/EU way... :D

But, for me, it's very simple...

Remember, knuckle-dragging ground pounder.. :D

KIRK: But why Nazi Germany? You studied history. You knew what the Nazis were.
GILL: Most efficient state Earth ever knew.
SPOCK: Quite true, Captain. That tiny country, beaten, bankrupt, defeated, rose in a few years to stand only one step away from global domination.
KIRK: But it was brutal, perverted, had to be destroyed at a terrible cost. Why that example?
SPOCK: Perhaps Gill felt that such a state, run benignly, could accomplish its efficiency without sadism.
~Star Trek - Patterns of Force

Kudos...

One of my favorite TOS episodes... :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:53:45 +0000

You must be very bored to be pushing conspiracy theories.. Well, actually, I am.. :D But I figured I would give Hillary a break from being raked over the coals as a corporatist globalist and just show how she is a cold-blooded murderer.. :D Well, that isn't true in either sense, but if the GOP is ready to stop coddling corporations, and is ready to put Wall Street on the same diet that we're on, I'm sure we're ready to talk. Near as I can recall, it wasn't the GOP that was threatening the Brits if they chose to leave the EU.... :D Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:39:44 +0000

@balthasar,

reporters from the guardian were also banned from that golf course.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/25/donald-trump-media-ban-guardian-denied-entry-campaign-event

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:37:11 +0000

It IS a very simple issue.. that is a million percent untrue. the issue is incredibly complex. there are many different social and economic classes, many different strains of populism and corporatism, each with different attitudes toward social control, economic control, which liberties ought to be sacrosanct and which restricted, and how all those decisions ought to be made. a problem this complex, subjected to the form of an either-or dichotomy between simple solutions, is about as close to the height of foolishness as can possibly be achieved. "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" ~HL Mencken populists and corporatists both exist at every point on the spectrum from malignant to benign. my instinct is that there's no actual ill will on either side, perhaps even the desire to do good. but that alone isn't going to get us positive results. even the best of intentions can quickly turn terrible in the face of events. business insider reported last september that donald used to keep hitler's speeches by his bed, presumably to learn the useful lessons without adopting the more genocidal aspects. but sometimes when you learn that stuff you don't realize where you're headed. KIRK: But why Nazi Germany? You studied history. You knew what the Nazis were. GILL: Most efficient state Earth ever knew. SPOCK: Quite true, Captain. That tiny country, beaten, bankrupt, defeated, rose in a few years to stand only one step away from global domination. KIRK: But it was brutal, perverted, had to be destroyed at a terrible cost. Why that example? SPOCK: Perhaps Gill felt that such a state, run benignly, could accomplish its efficiency without sadism. ~Star Trek - Patterns of Force

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:27:56 +0000

Did'ja see that George Will left the Republican Party? Echoing Reagan, he said, "I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican party left me."

Latest poll shows Hillary up by 5 points.

Trump says the decline in value of the British Pound is good because it means that more people will be able to play at his Scottish Golf course.

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:20:21 +0000

You must be very bored to be pushing conspiracy theories.. The ONLY difference is NOW, the Democrat Party has switched sides and is now the Party of the globalists, elitists, corporatists... Well, that isn't true in either sense, but if the GOP is ready to stop coddling corporations, and is ready to put Wall Street on the same diet that we're on, I'm sure we're ready to talk.

By: BashiBazouk

BashiBazouk — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:46:10 +0000

On the one side, you have the middle class and the populism of the people...

On the other side, you have the New World Order, globalists and corporatists....

Can you back any of this bs up with data? I see that Scotland, Northern Iraland, Gibraltar, most of London and all the 18-24 year olds throughout the UK overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU. Those who voted for it were generally lower income, lower education levels and older.