Michale

For the vast majority of people here, there is one set of standards of conduct for the Right and a different set of standards of conduct for the Left..

Concede that and my argument is completely and unequivocally negated and rendered moot..

In other words, admit what we all know to be true and I'll shut up about it...

"Give me what I want and I'll go away"
-Lenoge, STORM OF THE CENTURY

:D heh

I mean, it's not as if I don't have a ton of facts to support my position... :D

Michale

That's kinda my point..

No one around here pays attention to the violence of the Left Wingery..

But let that violence come from the Right Wingery?? And everyone is right there, paying a LOT of attention...

It's a double standard...

Notable exceptions noted...

Michale

JL

A Trump supporter throws a punch and the comments here are fast and furious...

Sanders supporters shut down a state convention with violence and threats...

{{chiiirrrrppppppp}} {{{chirrrrrrpppppppp}}}

Double standard much?? :^/

Michale

Michale

Mean to add that link to the above comment...

Michale

But in the case of the Bernie/Hillary reconciliation of their supporters, I have always been kinda pessimistic.. At least pessimistic from the perspective of an NPA...

I have always thought that, after the Democrat Primary, supporters of Hillary and Bernie would make nice and come together and everyone would sing koom bye yaa together..

My basis for this (from my POV) pessimism was recalling the acrimony of the PUMA clan in the 2008 primary... I figured that the PUMA people were just as vocal against Obama, but they all came together in the end...

But I have to admit that I am seeing a glimmer of hope that, this time around, it's different.. The Bernie supporters are actually VIOLENT and I don't think they are going to go quietly into that good night..

The fact that the DNC is actively cheating to get their chosen one to be the nominee is not something we saw in 2008 as well..

So, I am wondering if it would be possible to get some honest assessments from ya'all..

Do ya'all think that the Bernie supporters are just the latest incarnation of the PUMA clan??? That, in the end, they will disappear as the PUMA people did in 2008??

Or do ya'all think that the machinations of the DNC (VOTER ID!?? REALLY!!???) will cause scars that simply will not heal over??

Inquiring minds want to know... :D

Michale

Bernie Sanders had actually WON Nevada at the State Convention...

But the Nevada Democrat Committee ignored a good portion of Nevada delegates that were going for Bernie because... get this...

They did not have proper identification!!!!

So, what can we take away from this, boys and girls???

The Democrat Party is ALL for Voter ID and ALL for disenfranchising voters.... If it suits their agenda....

Ironically enough, it was *ONLY* Bernie supporters who did not have the "proper ID"...

In the dictionary, under HYPOCRISY, there is a picture of the Democrat Party.... :^/

Now we have ANOTHER Democrat Talking Point (Voter ID/Disenfranchisement) that ya'all can't use with a straight face....

Ya'all are running out of Talking Points. :D

Michale

Speak2 [2] -

Yeah, OR might be late, but don't forget that all the early ballots already mailed in can be pre-counted before the poll closing times. But you're right, could be a late one (even for us West Coasters)...

Paula [13] -

That's interesting, about the Paulite aspect. Isn't NV where Ron Paul supporters pulled one of their delegate coups, a while back?

OK, that's it for now, going to try to answer more columns' comments...

-CW

Today's column is up, and it's fascinating! Check it out.

Also, that is where I'll be commenting on the election returns coming in, semi-live-blogging, as it were...

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/05/17/guest-author-todays-anecdote-by-paula/#comments

See you there...

-CW

So, of course, all of you will condemn Sanders supporters with as much passion and as much zeal as ya'all condemn Trump supporters...

Right???

Paula is on record.. More or less... Anyone else???

Michale

Sen. Barbara Boxer, a veteran of Democratic politics, says she never saw anything quite like this before.

Loud cursing, shouting, obscene gestures and vile insults, including crude comments about the female anatomy. It was all on display over the weekend as supporters of Bernie Sanders turned the Nevada State Democratic Convention into chaos.
"I was not able to stop these people for doing what they did," Boxer, a Hillary Clinton supporter, told CNN. "Apparently they've done it before. .... This group of about 100 were very vocal, and I can't describe it -- disrespectful doesn't even explain it, it was worse than that."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/

...... we come to find out that it's supporters on the DEMOCRAT side that's disgusting and perverse and it's the DEMOCRAT Convention that is going to be a horrendous mess...

You can't see it, but I am grinning from ear to ear right now...

Why?? Because it proves what I have always said..

There ain't much difference between the Right and the Left.... :D

Michale

Michale

With Trump she won't have to do that. (Nor will her surrogates.)

And while there is a point past which candidates can not be held responsible for the actions of their supporters, the candidates do have the responsibility to call out actions they don't support and to tell their supporters such actions are not acceptable. The worse the actions, the stronger the call-out should be.

Fair enough...

But right now things are still fluid and we haven't fully transitioned into the general. That's when things will become more clear and we'll know exactly what we're up against.

But that's the funny thing.. Trump has been waging a GENERAL campaign from the start...

He is to the LEFT of Hillary on many many issues..

Hillary is still mired in the Primary because she can't put away a 74yr old Socialist...

If she has this much trouble with Sanders, I don't see how she is going to try and beat Trump..

But, as you say, things are fluid and it IS early... So, time will tell...

A lot can happen. A lot is GOING to happen..

It's going to be entertaining, that much is certain.. :D

Michale

I don't think the election will be a walkover by any means and have never said it would be. The fact that I think Trump is both a very bad joke and a potential disaster doesn't mean there aren't lots of people who will vote for him. But right now things are still fluid and we haven't fully transitioned into the general. That's when things will become more clear and we'll know exactly what we're up against.

And while there is a point past which candidates can not be held responsible for the actions of their supporters, the candidates do have the responsibility to call out actions they don't support and to tell their supporters such actions are not acceptable. The worse the actions, the stronger the call-out should be.

So, you are saying that you agree with me. That Sanders is as bad as you accuse Trump of being...

That's what I am hearing.. Just wanted to confirm I am hearing right.. :D

Of course, there IS another possible explanation..

And that explanation is that there are supporters on ALL sides (Bernie, Hillary, Trump) who are very VERY passionate about their candidate...

Passionate to the point of fanaticism...

But that fanaticism is not indicative of the candidate themselves...

Would you agree that THAT is a distinct possibility??

Michale

44% of *DEMOCRAT* Voters say they will vote for Trump if Hillary is the Democrat Nominee....

Almost HALF!!

No way to spin that.. But, by all means.... Give it a shot... :D

Michale

I'm not at all happy about this NV mess or the people who are trying to use intimidation to get what they want. I'm not happy that Bernie has yet to disavow these behaviors. But he lost me awhile back. Eventually he will have to face his legacy -- we'll see what he decides to do.

Just waiting for things to play out, then we'll see what he's made of.

So.... Obviously, Bernie Sanders is evil and should be tarred and feathered, arrested and thrown in jail, right???

"No... That's different..."

Ahh yes... It's "different".... :^/

Michale

So, now we're taking the word of 2 scumbags who like to beat up on the helpless???

Oh, when it fits the partisan agenda..

OF COURSE we are... :^/

So, when I find some scumbag who did something disgusting and said they were inspired by Hillary or Sanders, then that's sufficient to cast the candidate themselves as evil...

Right??? :^/

"No.. That's different"....

Yea... That's what I thought...

Michale

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scott-steven-leader-homeless-immigrant-attack

Der Donald.

We'll see.. :D

Michale

JL

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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-29/the-states-sanders-has-won-predict-the-nominee-more-often-than-the-states-clinton-has-won

All I am saying is that Hillary SHOULD be winning these states if she is the presumptive nominee...

The fact that she continues to lose and WILL continue to lose should be of concern to ya'all....

That's all I am saying..

Michale

If ya'all think back to all the Clinton scandals, the one thing that always tripped them up was being deposed under oath...

Hillary, beware the Ides Of March.... Which happen to come in May this year.. :D

I would say that Hillary is going to start LOSING primary contests now... But she already IS losing.. And yet, she is the presumptive nominee...

In other words, the LOSER is the Democrat Party's candidate..

How apropos, eh?? :D

Michale

Michale

Oregon's bent is quite geographically specific. Portland and Eugene are very liberal. There are a lot of conservative miles in between. Bend and the surroundings very liberal. All of that ranching and farming land? Not so much. Even the residents against the Bundy people were not liberals, they just didn't want those morons around.

The dems in these conservative places will probably vote for Clinton. To give a thought to the poll you mention, these people are much more likely to respond to a survey/poll than are the liberals, especially the college-aged and older hippies.

That said, liberals are a solid majority and many are very liberal. Even though much of Eugene won't vote (college town, whey will go for Sanders, but won't come out in large numbers in any case (we do have recreational usage and there's a lot of procrastination that will happen)).

All that said, I agree that Sanders takes OR, quite possibly large. My reason above may get at why the poll was so inaccurate assuming a correct prediction.

I think Clinton takes Kentucky.