you mean she doesn't? i'm being facetious of course, but MANY on the left seriously do believe she is an arch-conservative pretending to be a democrat.

JL

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"With every shot so far..."
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Michale

Are you back already!?

They're all performance artists now. Even the meerkats. Did you know that he used to be a regular on that fake news channel? He used to substitute host The Factor when O'Reilly was on vacation and I think he had his own show too.

And THAT is what you call a "serious" argument??? :^/

Michale

First, I worry that too many Bernie supporters are promoting the bogus 'Hillary is evil' narrative.

That's because it's not a myth..

Put another way..

If Hillary had a -R after her name, ya'all would think she is the epitome of evil....

This is simply inarguable...

Michale

I'm under the impression that you understand our insane election system fairly well, Liz. This actually only matters in a handful of "swing" states. So far, my vote has never determined the victor in any election, much less the presidential election (where my vote doesn't count at all). If I thought that I could decide the election, I might actually vote for HilRod. She'll probably win. I won't lose any sleep over it.

I understand all of what you wrote and it's all baked into another Clinton White House. And, if it wasn't the likes of Donald Trump she was going to be running against, those may all be valid reasons to oppose her.

But, she is running against Trump and the baked in disdain for her to the point of not voting for her in the general, befuddles me.

A Trump presidency, however, may be a good lesson, if learned, for all of his supporters.

like it or not, bill and hillary do politics old school, and doing that often means pandering, mudslinging, arm-twisting, investment banking and all sorts of other unpleasantness. if that's the game you play, those are the rules.

so, republicans are pissed that bill and hillary are better at it than they are. hardcore liberals think that there's no place for it and it undermines the cause. and with all the foul wind that's been blowing from both sides of the political spectrum for the last twenty-four years, it's not far fetched at all.

politicians like LBJ, harry truman and Andrew Jackson were downright nasty if you crossed them, and sometimes even if you didn't. the clintons fit that mold, and it makes them very effective, but it also makes them widely despised. it goes with the territory.

JL

I think you're right about that first part. But, Sanders's supporters and all Americans who support what you are trying to accomplish will have to continue your efforts throughout her presidency and never give up if you are to see the kind of progress you want and should expect to see.

As for that last bit, I think that gives Trump too much credit. I doubt we'll ever find out but I don't think a President Trump would be able to get anything done with or without Congress. Which, would probably be a good thing.

I didn't vote for Obama, Romney, McCain, Bush, Kerry, or Gore. It really isn't about her, but since you've asked, I'll start with Iraq. I was through with her after that. I doubt that she's really learned much.

She does have the Cruella de Vil laugh. It makes me suspicious.

Don Harris did not say that he will not vote. He said that he won't vote for HilRod.

A question if I may, because I believe you are a serious person with a very serious cause. It needs a new name but, it's a serious and applaudable cause, just the same ...

Do you think that you will have a better opportunity to continue advocating for your cause - and what should be the cause of all Americans, frankly - under a Trump presidency or a Clinton presidency?

I wasn't referring to you when I spoke of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. I was referring to those Bernie supporters who Balthasar identified as "promoting the bogus 'Hillary is evil' narrative.

Do you think Hillary is evil? If so, then I guess I was referring to you.

If you do not think Hillary is evil, then I'm gonna have to start lumping you in the same boat as the other hypersensitive types around here. But, don't worry you'll be in good company. :)

Voting for the lesser evil may ensure you get evil, but not voting just improves your chances of getting the greater evil. It may be unpleasant, but refusing to vote isn't helping your cause any, and may actually harm it if a candidate directly opposed to your cause ends up getting elected as a result.

First off, welcome to CW.com!

To answer your last questions, I would say that Republicans seem to fear anything that will keep them out of the WH for the foreseeable future and beyond - their lukewarm support for the Trump candidacy, notwithstanding.

I think, insofar as this election cycle is concerned, they see Hillary as a much stronger candidate than anyone the Republicans could possibly nominate.

I have a question, too ... what percentage of Senator Sanders's supporters tend toward the unsightly behavior of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face?

First, I worry that too many Bernie supporters are promoting the bogus 'Hillary is evil' narrative.

You got that right! They claim that Hillary is a "Republican in Democrats' clothing", which always confuses me. If Hillary was going to push the Republicans agenda forward if she gets elected, then why do the Republicans fear/hate her so much?

There is no doubt that they fear Hillary. They made a movie in 2006-2007 that was meant to trash her reputation if she ran for President in 2008. And they admitted their whole Bengahzi kangaroo court was done just to hurt her campaign numbers. These were seriously major undertakings just to hurt her chances at becoming President. Why? What do they fear that Hillary will do if she becomes President that motivates them to loathe her with the passion that they do?

Of the 13 Democratic primaries remaining, 6 are closed (Guam, Kentucky, Oregon, New Jersey, New Mexico and DC) and I'd expect HRC to win all of those.

Another 4 are open (Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico caucuses, Montana and North dakota) which will likely all go Bernie's way.

Only 3 are mixed (West Virginia, California and South Dakota) and I expect the split is likely to be one for Bernie (WV) and two for HRC (CA and SD).

With the Cruz out of the picture. I predict we will now see all of the DNC corporate media arms (coincidentally owned by HRC major contributors)really start to ratchet up the pressure for Bernie to vacate the race.

I hope he does not...I think he is the wild card keeping the dems from slipping into the all to familiar "we've got this in the bag" mode.

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Hoosiers feel the Bern!

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Bernie up 23K with 57% in...

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40% in

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C ya. Thanks for hanging out watching returns! Where's everyone else? Was IN too early for everyone? Their early returns certainly surprised me...

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10% in...

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Separately, yeah, looking like Hillary is going to win this one -- a bit of a surprise. Open primary and all that.

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Trump remains dominant. Polls close shortly...

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With 2% in, Hillary's up by 2,800 votes, and Trump is crushing Cruz by 20 points.

I think some polls in Indiana are still open, so the networks may be waiting for them to close (at 7:00 East Coast Time) to call either race. But I'm expecting them to call Trump the winner at about 7:00:10, if you know what I mean...

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Boy, they sure do close their polls early in Indiana...

Anyway, rest assured I didn't peek at any returns before writing and posting this.

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