If the nomination is "stolen" away from Trump at the convention, do you think he'd go third party?

Depends on the narrative, but probably, yes. On the other hand, you'd think the <snark> wise elders </snark> of the Party would know that, and would let him have the nomination unless the narrative was such as to keep Trump from taking his newly-minted voters with him to independent-land.

I dunno, depending on your definition of "corrupt" the original Corrupt Bargain (see: John Quincy Adams election in House, 1824) was pretty fishy. I mean, just sayin'...

:-)

If the nomination is "stolen" away from Trump at the convention, do you think he'd go third party? I do.

dsws [12] -

I've always thought her logo sucked. My wife disagrees. But here's what it says, visually, to me:

We're going to take the whole Democratic Party to the right!

Maybe I'm seeing things, I dunno...

Heh.

Michale [19] -

OK, that was funny! Been awhile since I heard you poking fun at conservatives....

:-)

neilm [20] -

Oooh! Nice use of "granfalloons"!

Bokononist koan:

Tiger got to hunt,
Bird got to fly,
Man got to sit and wonder
"Why, why, why?"

:-)

Michale [28] -

Happy anniversary!

Give my best to Betina!
(hope I remembered to spell that right)

Anyone who could put up with you for (shudder) 34 years deserves a freakin' medal or something...

:-)

-CW

Michale

I suppose that's something else ...

Approval - 47.9%
Disapproval -- 48.0%

That's as close to the crossover point as you can get...

-CW

He did..

He said that Hillary Clinton would simply be a 3rd Term of Barack Obama....

Which, overwhelmingly, the American people DO NOT WANT...

I just think it's noteworthy because everyone here latches on to the barest of innuendo that some obscure Republican says he won't vote for Trump and would vote Hillary instead..

But when a PROMINENT Democrat says that he won't vote for Hillary, that he may vote for Trump???

{{chiirrrrpppppp}} {{{chirrrrrrrrpppp}}}

Nothing...

I'll be out for the rest of the night. My lovely wife and I are heading out to celebrate 34 years of wed'ed bliss... :D

See ya'all tomorrow... :D

Michale

This is exactly why I take everything ya'all say about Trump with a HUGE grain of salt..

Much like, I am sure, ya'all take everything I predict about SCOTUS rulings with a HUGE grain of salt..

:D

Michale

Did Webb explain why he won't vote for Hillary and why he may vote for Trump?

Since ya'all go crazy over GOP'ers saying they will vote Hillary, you (of course) will give the same import to what Webb says, right?? :D

Apparently.... not...

Color me surprised.. :^/

Michale

Why is Trump bringing so much excitement and so many tens of thousands of new voters out??

And Democrat voting is depressed... probably because Democrats know that Hillary is going to be indicted within the next 60 days...

Imagine ya'all's comments when THAT happens, eh? :D

Michale

Of course you believe that of Hillary, but not of Trump..

Because Trump has a -R after his name and Hillary has a -D...

Cue the sarcasm, because the right-wing meme is that Hillary is power mad, but I just don't see it.

Of course you don't...

For the reason stated above...

You are an ideologue... Republicans are evil incarnate and Democrats are as pure as the driven snow..

Michale

Yes. I think she has a mission to make a difference in the world. I think she sees wrongs she wants to right and people in pain she wants to help.

I also think she wants to go down in history as the first female President, so there is definitely a personal angle.

I think Donald just wants to feel important. If he wanted to do something for humanity he could have done a lot more than just decide he wants to come in at the top.

This is one of Romney's 'bombshells' in Trump's tax returns - that he has given little or nothing to charity in his life. I've no idea if it is true or not, but it is the Republican Party that is bringing it up.

Cue the sarcasm, because the right-wing meme is that Hillary is power mad, but I just don't see it.

Do you believe that Hillary is doing this for anybody but Hillary??
:D

Also, everybody took money from Trump -

And no one had a problem with it when Trump had a -D after his name.. :D

Michale

You are off again on this granfalloon "Democrats" as in "Democrats loved Sarah Palin", "Democrats loved Trump", etc.

Firstly who are these "Democrats" because I am surrounded by people to vote for mostly Democratic candidates and I remember the "Who?" when Palin was announced on the 2008 VP shortlist. And those that did have an opinion thought Trump was a cartoon character ("You're fired" - no executive says that in the real corporate world; or his WWE stunts - can you see Warren Buffet rolling around on the floor with some guy in a cheesy suit?).

Also, everybody took money from Trump - he even brags about it - when he was a side player. Even then he had with a big mouth and a big megaphone, so nobody was going to piss him off - what would be the point. Taking money from the rich is what politicians do (unless they have all the money they need on their own and intend to self fund like Trump claims he will).

Also, if you remember the look on Trump's face at the White House Correspondent's dinner a few years ago when Obama roasted him, you would hardly claim that the country's top Democrat "LOVED" Trump.

In fact, I think that unusual humiliation may be a large part of the reason Trump is running at all. Perhaps this isn't about America, or the little guy, this is about The Donald, as many people from all sides of the political (Mitt) and religious spectrum (The Pope) have been pointing out.

Do you believe that Trump is doing this for anybody but Trump?

How stupid!!! How can he skip CPAC!!!

CPAC is!!???? CPAC is....!!!!

What's CPAC??

:D

Michale

Their lips/fingers are moving.. :D

Present company excepted, of course. :D

Michale

Why did Democrats think Trump was such a good business person when he was a Democrat and giving them millions and millions in donations???

This is Sarah Palin all over again...

Democrats LOVED Sarah Palin... Her GOV approval ratings were the highest in the country and she enjoyed complete bi-partisan support... Right up until she was nominated for VP.. Then, the Left Wingery couldn't destroy her fast enough..

So it is with Trump.. Democrats LOVED Trump and LOVED Trump's millions... Right up until he became the GOP Nominee... NOW Trump is evil incarnate...

Liz, you asked before why I say everything is spin..

It's because of hypocritical and hysterical crap like this that I am so cynical...

How can you tell that a ideologue is spinning???

Their lips/fingers are moving.. :D

Michale

"Trump has been extravagant in his promises about health care: "I would end Obamacare and replace it with something terrific, for far less money for the country and for the people." He's said that he would cover everyone. He's said he would cover pre-existing conditions. He's said he wouldn't let people die in the streets. He's said he would allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

His plan includes none of that. He just flatly hasn't kept any of his promises. Instead he's offered up something that looks like a fourth grader cribbed it from other Republican plans without really understanding what they said. Even by GOP standards—which is a very low bar—his health care plan offers virtually nothing of substance. It's completely hollow."

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/donald-trumps-big-lie-health-care

"I realize that criticizing a Donald Trump policy is pointless, but Trump's health care "plan" deserves a bit more attention. Say what you will about his immigration policies, but at least his written plan more-or-less matched his rhetoric. His health care plan doesn't even come close. Here are its six proposals:

Allow insurance companies to sell policies across state lines. Whatever you think of this idea, it only makes sense if you can truly buy a policy that's regulated by another state. Ramesh Ponnuru: "But the plan says that people should be allowed to buy insurance out of state only 'as long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements.' That defeats the whole purpose of the reform, and means either that Trump is coming out for the status quo or that whoever wrote his plan garbled it." Or that Trump has no idea what he's talking about.

Allow individuals to "fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns." This may or may not be a good idea in concept, but implementing it as a deduction makes it meaningless for nearly everyone at the median wage or below. They already pay little or no income tax, so a deduction does them no good. This is why other Republicans have proposed doing this as a tax credit, which would benefit anyone. Even conservatives agree about this: "That’s not going to help," said Joe Antos, a conservative health policy expert at the American Enterprise Institute.

Allow individuals to use HSAs. Individuals have been allowed to set up HSAs since 2003. The only new wrinkle in Trump's plan is that an HSA can be used by any family member. This is trivial.

Price transparency. This is fine. It won't do much to improve health care, but it's a good idea.

Block grant Medicaid. This would accomplish nothing except, probably, to make health care worse. States tend to do everything they can to use Medicaid dollars for non-health purposes, and giving them total control over Medicaid would only make this worse. Also, it would eliminate the automatic increase in Medicaid spending during recessions, when it's needed most. Overall, this proposal would almost certainly result in less Medicaid spending and less effective Medicaid spending.

Allow importation of prescription drugs. This is fine.

Trump has been extravagant in his promises about health care: "I would end Obamacare and replace it with something terrific, for far less money for the country and for the people." He's said that he would cover everyone. He's said he would cover pre-existing conditions. He's said he wouldn't let people die in the streets. He's said he would allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

His plan includes none of that. He just flatly hasn't kept any of his promises. Instead he's offered up something that looks like a fourth grader cribbed it from other Republican plans without really understanding what they said. Even by GOP standards—which is a very low bar—his health care plan offers virtually nothing of substance. It's completely hollow.

Ya know... You seem to find a lot of fault with Trump's policies while on the other hand, claiming he hasn't put forth any policies..

Funny, iddn't it.. :D

Considering the soon-to-be-indicted (60 days! :D) trash that the Democrat Party is running... Well, you better get used to the idea of PRESIDENT TRUMP...

:D

Michale

Michale

Trump is also adopting a Democratic position here (even if he can't add up), as the restriction on the Federal government negotiating with drug companies for lower prices was a Republican restriction for their Big Pharma buddies.

Ironically Medicaid is allowed to negotiate, but when Part D became law, a lot of patients were moved from cheap Medicaid drug prices to full retail drug prices under Medicare. Thanks Bush 2 and the Republican congress!

When no candidate has a majority, I say it's perfectly reasonable for delegates pledged to one candidate to support another candidate on the second ballot, according to their own judgment of what's best for the party, or their own judgment of what best represents the second-choice preference of the voters who sent them there -- or according to their candidate's endorsement of another candidate. There's no reason they should have to support the plurality winner.

But that's what I say. To supporters of the plurality winner, it would look like a betrayal of democracy, of their duty as delegates, and of their country. It would look as though there must have been some sort of a corrupt bargain. The New Corrupt Bargain would no more be an actual corrupt bargain than the Corrupt Bargain was. But that wouldn't matter any more now than it did then.

The formerly-apolitical TV fans who became new voters would become swing voters. The ones Trump felt he couldn't afford to lose by promptly and unequivocally repudiating the KKK would become Republican or third-party voters. But (although they are indeed too large a bloc for Trump to afford to alienate) they aren't a majority of new Trump voters. The majority were apolitical, and just there for the show: they would become available to vote for any Democrat who could put on a good show. And my guess is that there are enough of them to swing elections.

JL

Savings Trump is going to achieve by negotiating medicare drug payments (according to The Donald): $300B

Total spent on drugs by medicare: $143B (includes Part B and Part D)

So the drug companies are going to pay $157B into medicare and supply free drugs?

Note: the total market for prescription drugs in the U.S. is $377B

It took me less than 5 minutes to find these numbers.

Why do people think Trump is a good business person? I deal with top business people and if you walked into mahogany aisle with a plan like this you'd be laughed out of the building, probably with a security escort.

Skipped this 'debate' - it is just a rerun of the earlier ones.

Is The Donald is getting boring? That will probably hurt his polls more than Romney.

And his rallies could here forth be referred to as: Biggus Dickus Ejaculationus...

Envy doesn't become you, Bashi.. :D

Michale

And his rallies could here forth be referred to as: Biggus Dickus Ejaculationus...

Since I wrote this, RealClearPolitics has updated their own page. Obama's daily average is now even better, and he is only 0.9 percent underwater...

-CW