I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that... :D

You are, of course, correct... Racism didn't begin with the Democrat Party.. The Democrat Party simply organized it and made it mainstream in the United States...

"Hypocrisy" is performIng an action or taking a position that you currently claim to oppose. If we can never have a change of opinion, then we can never grow.

Actually, hypocrisy is defined as the behavior of people who do things or have done things that they tell other people not to do

My point is simple.. If the Left Wingery wants to rail against bogus racism, have at it.. It says more about them than it does about the accused...

But when the Left Wingery fails to acknowledge THEIR own culpability in CREATING the KKK and Jim Crow laws, then the false accusations are even MORE ridiculous..

It's real simple..

Oh... and...

"WELCOME TO THE PARTY, PAL!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

Michale

First off, welcome to the site. Your first comment was held for moderation, but from now on you should be able to post comments and see them instantly.

Just don't post more than one link per comment, as multi-link comments are held for moderation to cut down on comment spam.

Again, welcome to the site, and my apologies for not getting your comment up sooner.

-CW

Since ya'all go crazy over GOP'ers saying they will vote Hillary, you (of course) will give the same import to what Webb says, right?? :D

Michale

He trial ballooned the Stop Trump From Winning The First Ballot By Voting The Strongest Candidate Not Named Trump In Your State Gambit that I brought up in comment 13. Also known by the catchy acronym STFWTFBBVTSCNNTIYS Gambit.

But...Is Romney or anybody in the Establishment Wing actually organizing at the National or State Level to educate the Resistance Movement and get this done? My guess is a big No, by the time they call a meeting, the moment will have passed. Run some ads guys, Jeb has a lot of money left. Does Rove still have his old Rolodex?

Last night's debate confirmed that Trump is a big dick, but failed to answer the question of whether he has one or not. Stop the pointless arguing - call in the surgeon general.

yes. i predict the GOP will get their act together in 2020 and deny hillary a second term. it's not necessarily the future i'd choose, but the kind of chaos the republicans are in right now tends to result in a learning curve.

JL

You think Biden or any of us will still be around by the time there is another GOP POTUS?

Oh, really? I'm confused.

So, help me understand ... what are the 11,000 or so illegal Mexican immigrants who Donald Trump wants to deport doing in the US? What jobs are they taking away from real Americans, in other words?

And that just KILLS ya'all, doesn't it?? :D

If the GOP EEs ignore the will of the people, then their Party DESERVES to die...

Michale

In the dictionary under 'redundant' it says 'see redundant'.. :D

Michale

Context was as clear then as it is now...

All Biden is doing is spinning..

And, when we have this similar situation with a GOP POTUS, Biden will write another Op-Ed and say that he actually meant what he said in 1992..

In short, he will spin the spin of the of the original statement..

And so it goes and so it goes... :D

Michale

JFC did.. You agreed with him..

So, yes...

Michale

That way, ya avoid the hypocrisy label.. :D"

So racism "began" with the KKK and Jim Crow laws? I had no idea that before the creation of the Democratic Party, racism was non-existent. What legislation was it that created the KKK? "Hypocrisy" is performIng an action or taking a position that you currently claim to oppose. If we can never have a change of opinion, then we can never grow.

Har har!

"That kind of sums up what the Trump campaign is all about."

A really terrific message has to be delivered at Trump level in order to have any chance of getting through to poorly-educated TrumpThugs, OK? No numbers or politically correct insiderese. Ideally, it would be transmitted on Facebook instead of some commie blog.

Oh... wait... We can't....

A shame...

All the Left Wingery cares about is the illegals voting Democrat.. Doesn't matter how many innocent Americans have to die...

A shame...

Michale

Here is an op-ed by Vice President Biden on the responsibilities of the president and senate with respect to filling the current vacancy on the Supreme Court and on putting his 1992 comments into their proper perspective and context:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/opinion/joe-biden-the-senates-duty-to-advise-and-consent.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

That kind of sums up what the Trump campaign is all about.

Actually, Trump is all about ILLEGAL immigrants..

But why let FACTS ruin a perfectly good comment. :D

Michale

From "Slim Pickens Does The Right Thing And Rides The Bomb To Hell" by The Offspring

Must I keep repeating myself!? Sheesh.

Heh.

That kind of sums up what the Trump campaign is all about.

Damn.

Well, you know what I mean, right? :)

$12B is a fairly low estimate.

Trump places the cost at $8B (using my calculation, including interest, means we would get paid back in 39 years with a PV of $8B, a payment of $0.35B and an interest rate of 3%).

This estimate came from the costs of the Israeli wall - 350+ miles cost $2.6B, scale that up and you get $8B - Bingo - Trump can use a calculator!

Slight problem - only 33 miles was a concrete wall like you see on TV. The rest of the 320 miles was a fence.

Cost of 320 miles of fence (using the cost of building our border fence) = $1B
Cost of 33 miles of wall = $1.6B
Thus, cost of 1,000 miles of great big beautiful wall: $48B

1. Build wall
2. We have a trade imbalance with Mexico, so take it out of that

Problems with this 'plan':

While we have a trade imbalance with Mexico (in 2015 it was $58.3B), it is because we are buying stuff from them (we import $294.7B and export $236.4B). If we deduct $12B, they will send us $12B less stuff. Since a lot of the trade is bi-directional that will mean they will be buying less stuff from us too, so we will need to not pay for even more stuff. And we will still need to find somewhere else to buy the $12B we didn't get - and it will probably cost more because if it was cheaper than Mexico's prices we would be buying it there already (something we like to call capitalism).

Source: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2010.html

And it's even a BETTER idea to have... yunno... FACTS to support such an accusation... Rather than just innuendo and word-play...

Am I wrong???

Michale

Source???

Regardless, that's probably how much it would cost a DEMOCRAT government to build it..

But when we have a POTUS who actually knows business, it would probably be less than a billion...

Which Mexico can pay off by doing without our aid for a few years..

Frak them... All they do is bad mouth the US anyways...

Michale

Exactly...

Which is why I said the Mexican government was corrupt and incompetent..

Quite a bit, I would say since there is no net immigration from Mexico into the US according to the latest stats.

You switched from illegal immigration to immigration.. Hope such a 180 didn't hurt... :D

Michale

Ahhhhhhh Republicans are the only ones to get blamed for their past...

Democrats are pure as the driven snow..

The simple fact is the Democrat Party gave us the KKK and Jim Crow laws...

So them crying racism now and pointing at OTHER people seems, at BEST, to be disingenuous...

A hint.. When pointing the finger of racism at others, it's always a good idea to acknowledge where racism began...

That way, ya avoid the hypocrisy label.. :D

Michale

Quite a bit, I would say since there is no net immigration from Mexico into the US according to the latest stats.

But, of course, none of this matters to Trump or his supporters.

Cost of wall (estimate): $12 Billion
Annual cost of interest on $12B at 3%: 0.35B
Aid to Mexico (2013): 0.35B

# Years aid withheld: Infinite

Cost of wall (estimate): $12 Billion
Aid to Mexico (2013): 0.35B

# Years aid withheld: 36
# Years Trump can be in office: 8

Plausibility of plan: 0%

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid#Recipients

Good point...I AM NOT Giving Woodrow Wilson my vote! Lousy segregationist.....

Seriously, I don't know what dumbass or which dumbasses, gave you the right to hand out certificates of moral authority, but can you at least please use it responsibly by recognizing the difference between the concepts of "Now" and "Distant Past."

Yea??? How many billions of dollars in aid does the US give that corrupt and deadbeat Mexican government??

We can deduct the price of the wall from that..

Guess what morons! You just paid for the wall!! :D

Michale

I admire a man who can ignore being completely and utterly wrong time and time and time again and STILL go with the same prediction..

You took my SCOTUS example to heart... Apparently.. :D

Michale

That's great, Michale!

I'se aim ta please!! :D

Michale

I didn't expect Mitt Romney to do it for them.

So, in other words, you were completely wrong... :D

It's funny how Mittens becomes the Sage Of Democrat wisdom...

Right when he says things Democrats want to hear.. :D

Michale

He's hostile to ILLEGAL foreigners and muslims that want to kill innocent people..

Guess what??

SO AM I!?

I can point to MANY black and hispanic groups who support Trump..

If that's not big tent, then what is???

Michale

Does anybody know the legal status of the National Republican Party? Is it a non-profit corporation of some sort? Can the board of directors vote to dissolve it? How would the assets be divided? Is a nomination an asset - and does the nominee automatically get to keep it? Who gets custody of Barbra Bush - or the bell jar containing Nixon's head (my nod to Futurama)?

Don't think you can simply consult the Party Rules for answers:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/Rules_of_the_Republican+Party_FINAL_S

The answers may be in that link, but I defy anybody to actually stay awake long enough to find them. I did notice a rule 22, but no Catch 22 giving the Chairman broad authority to effectively tell Trump "You're Fired."

Michale, can you nudge him over at HuffPost for me? Thanks... (use the Permalink from this comment, and he'll be directed right to it)

Done... :D

Michale

Maybe he was just getting tired of being falsely accused of being a racist...

No one on the Left has any moral authority to condemn Trump for his alleged racism unless they unequivocally and continually condemn Bill Clinton for his blatant racist statements...

Michale

Not what I said. The "big tent" refers to making a wide range of ideological, ethnic, religious, cultural, and economic groups feel welcome in the Party. Trump is the opposite of that: narrow identity politics. He's all about hostility toward foreigners and Muslims. He refused three times to dissociate himself from the KKK, for goodness sake.

I was agreeing with your claim that the Republican Party is not dead or dying..

Michale

You might find an article I wrote a few weeks back interesting...

:-)

-CW

Michale, can you nudge him over at HuffPost for me? Thanks... (use the Permalink from this comment, and he'll be directed right to it)

1. Trump the bigot
2. Trump the con man (Trump University, some of the property deals that went south, why is he being audited, , what is he really worth, etc.)
3. Trump the failure (Trump Mortgage, bankruptcies, etc.)

I didn't expect Mitt Romney to do it for them.

Wow!

I was listening to the NPR Politics and the 538 Tuesday Roundup podcasts yesterday, and can't remember which I heard this on (probably 538):

The voters who decided closest to the election rejected Trump 80-20 - most of Trump's support came from an intractable group who will vote Trump regardless and made up their minds long ago.

Let's see if the Republican establishment hangs together united against Trump, or if some calculate that his coattails might help them rather than hinder them in the General. Politicians of all hues are pretty venal, so for all the high mindedness, I expect the coattails/liability calculation to be the most important.

My guess is that in the South we'll see a lot of people who go with the coattails, but in the rest of the country the Republicans will distance themselves as far as they can from him.

Trump is truly the Big Tent Republican

Not what I said. The "big tent" refers to making a wide range of ideological, ethnic, religious, cultural, and economic groups feel welcome in the Party. Trump is the opposite of that: narrow identity politics. He's all about hostility toward foreigners and Muslims. He refused three times to dissociate himself from the KKK, for goodness sake.

I think those rules are a bit like the rules of The Outback Steakhouse franchise.

Political Scientists, who should know, believe a coup de main is feasible,

http://blogs.rollcall.com/opinion-analysis/the-years-most-important-non-endorsement/?dcz

but this tactic may be equivalent to tossing an atomic hand grenade. Definitely a last resort.

A less risky approach might be to minimize the chances of Trump getting a first ballot win by convincing other candidates to drop out of races they have no likelihood of winning....effectively turning the next batch of races into 2 man winner-take-all contests. Kasich could be useful in Ohio for example, and Rubio should do well in FL. I'm not sure the numbers ultimately add up (and I haven't the inclination to research the numbers myself), but the idea is being bandied about in the media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdKa9bXVinE

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R

Trump's best percentage was in MA, just shy of 50%, but does anybody think Trump is likely to turn that solidly Blue state into electoral votes? A Trump victory in Nov. is going to require picking up purple states like FL, where he got 1/3 of the vote last 2ZDay.

Trump seems to be doing best with, to quote a phrase used around here, "Joe and Jane Six Pack." Joe and Jane are white and over or pushing 60. They not going to produce any babies, and this is the worry of the Republicans Who Want to Win the Presidency = Establishment Wing. Not that the E-Wing has an especially good plan to do that, but backing Trump strikes them as committing suicide to avoid being killed.

The GOP would be complete and utter morons not to jump at this chance...

My message to the GOP is this:

Swallow yer pride and do what's best for the country, fer christ's sake!!

Michale

Not necessarily... There is still that tiny matter of an indictment for violations of the espionage act that Hillary is still facing...

A likely possibility that just yesterday took a HUGE step towards certitude....

But it does indicate a wild possibility...

Both Partys mortally wounded....

The Democrat Party candidate indicted for several felonies and the Republican Party split in two...

What a wild ride THAT would be, eh?? :D

Michale

"But here's the thing and there is just no getting around it.."
-LT Sam Weinberg, A FEW GOOD MEN

The Party ultimately is supposed to serve the needs of the country, not itself.. What the PEOPLE want is what is important..

I think both the Republican Party AND the Democrat Party have forgotten this..

Many Republicans are openly stating that they'll refuse to support their party's presidential nominee, and it's only March.

Exactly... It's only March...

Once the Party elites see the people rallying behind Trump and see how much Trump is going to decimate and destroy Hillary.... The elites will come around..

This is no different than 1976 and Reagan...

So refrain from dancing on the grave of the Republican Party...

News of it's demise has been greatly exaggerated.. :D

Michale

Speaking of invitations, I have to say that I am surprised that my recent foray into HuffPoo did result in any new Weigantians..

I had honestly thought that I had pissed off enough people that at least one or two would barrel over here, wanting to kick my ass!! :D

Michale

I couldn't have said it better myself..

Trump is truly the Big Tent Republican that epitomizes Reagan..

End of the GOP??

Shirley, they jest.. :D

Neil,

"It is wrong to use Trump's father's KKK membership against him when Donald has worked tirelessly to become a horrific racist on his own"

Says the guy who is part of the Party that CREATED the KKK and Jim Crow... :D

Why don't you invite this Dan Ewen guy over here so I can ask him exactly what racist comments Trump has made?? :D

Michale

Trump's candidacy will be noting but beneficial to the Party. Anyone who really objected (as distinguished from saying overwrought things in the heat of a primary season) wouldn't be a Republican in the first place. And Trump is bringing millions of formerly-apolitical TV fans into the electorate as Republican voters. He will have strong coattails, even if he loses.

Dan Ewen @vaguelyfunnydan

"It is wrong to use Trump's father's KKK membership against him when Donald has worked tirelessly to become a horrific racist on his own"

If Hillary wins in November then expect the 2020 primary to be under far stricter control, with the RNC vetting candidates who want to be part of the primary process, etc.

Not by any reputable historian.