Clinton camp trying to shut down questions...
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/05/iowa-margin-between-clinton-sanders-shifts-errors/79877898/

Gods, I hate being right all the time. :D

Michale

Truly the End Of Days :D

It's funny that no one else around here wants to go on record as saying something is wanky...

Party Uber Alles

:D

Michale

Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Somebody call the WAAAAAAA-mbulance... :D

Michale

i saw the jesus video literally a moment before i looked and saw your post, so it was a bit of a strange and disorienting experience, almost as if the laws of cause and effect somehow reversed themselves. nonetheless, it was a pretty funny sketch.

JL

Through the end of December, donors at hedge funds, banks, insurance companies and other financial-services firms had given at least $21.4 million to support Clinton’s 2016 presidential run — more than one of every 10 dollars of the $157.8 million contributed to back her bid, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission filings by The Washington Post.

Now... Correct me if I am wrong..

Ya'all have stated time and time again that Wall Street is evil and that the money coming from Wall Street is bad...

Is it only bad when it goes to Republicans??

Just curious....

Michale

What are you afraid of???

What are you hiding???

I can't believe that *I* am the only Weigantian calling for this....

What happened to transparency???

Michale

Oh yea... Nothing to see here...

Move along, Sheeple...

Michale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXS9IZnvzPI

Then, if they are meaningless, why does the Democrat Party even bother with them??

Michale

Romney "won" Iowa in 2012... Romney was the big winner in Iowa.. Right up until the GOP changed the count and made Santorum the winner...

For Clinton, who had an "unbeatable" 50 point lead in Iowa six months ago, this was a face-slammed in the mud loss..

Clinton got her ass handed to her by a octogenarian socialist...

While it's not the BERNIE BERNS CLINTON headline I was hoping for, it's enough to bring a smile to this old and tired face... :D

Michale

Again, it's all about the WHY...

Michale

Order of operations to determining Iowa winners:
1. Tallied votes
2. Coin toss
3. Rock paper scissors
4. Staring contest

Heh...

The Democrat Party is one big joke. :D

How could the Party NOT be prepared for this??

There hasn't been such a cluster-f*ck run caucus since the Republican caucus of 2012!!

Sorry ta take the winds outta ya'all's sails.. :D

It's what I do... :D

Michale

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/

Actually, there were only 6 documented coin flips.. Another 7 have been rumored thru some mobile app, but are nothing more than rumors..

Rumors probably started by Coin Toss Clinton to offset how ridiculous her win was..

I can't believe this.

I am defending Bernie and ya'all are defending Clinton!!! :D

Gotta love the irony... :D

Michale

1. Kevin
2. McCarthy

But thank you for proving my point..

The idea that the Benghazi hearings were designed to bring down Hillary Clinton is nothing but a... what was it that TS said... "a speculative theory....a conspiracy theory..

A conspiracy theory that the Hysterical Left Wingery will grasp at ANY straw, no matter how innocuous, to "prove"... :D

Michale

Why call it over??

It's too much fun pushing the meme that the Democrat Party race was decided by money!! :D

How fracked up is the Democrat Party that they have to decide their primaries by a frakin' COIN TOSS!!???

Why would you want to stop the laughter???

:D

Michale

Re: Benghazi, two words:

1. Kevin
2. McCarthy

Two words..

1. What's
2. Yer
3. Point

:D

Michale

What were the questions, again?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-flips-iowa-caucus/459429/

Can we call CoinGhaziGate over? No chance - the Fox News Nuts will keep it going - why let facts interfere with a good conspiracy, after all.

Re: Benghazi, two words:

1. Kevin
2. McCarthy

Coin tosses are used in Iowa Democratic caucuses when calculations for electing delegates to local county conventions result in an extra delegate that can’t be assigned to one candidate by rounding.

County delegates are worth a tiny fraction of state delegates which themselves are worth a fraction of national delegates.

To illustrate the differences: HRC finished with 700.59 state delegate equivalents while Bernie accumulated 696.82. Keeping in mind that these are state delegates and that county delegates are each worth only a small fraction of one state delegate, it becomes immediately obvious that the coin tosses could not have determined the outcome in Iowa.

So far, twelve precincts have reported using coin tosses to determine county delegates. Six of these were won by HRC and six by Bernie Sanders. There may have been more but so far, these twelve are the only precincts to report coin tosses.

Just like all ya'all had when ya accused the Republicans of using the Benghazi hearings to bring down Hillary Clinton..

It was nothing more than a speculative theory....a conspiracy theory..

But that didn't stop ya'all from screaming it hysterically to the high heavens..

Oh... Wait.. I know..

"That's different.."

There.. I already posted your response so you don't have to.. :D

Michale

There was no actual evidence that DIEBOLD rigged anything..

Yet, that didn't stop the hysterical Left Wingery from throwing out accusations left and right...

Not exactly an open and shut case, more like faith based.

No more so than any other Democrat Party driven agenda item...

THAT's exactly my point.. :D

Michale

Any actual evidence that M$ software somehow rigged the count? Until you produce some evidence, perhaps by actually examining the software, you have nothing more than a speculative theory....a conspiracy theory. M$ Bing routinely predicts elections, they predicted Hillary would win Iowa, therefore M$ software rigged the count. Not exactly an open and shut case, more like faith based.

Dig that hole deeper. You're good at that.

Yer just outclassed by The Talent around here... :D

"Did he actually call himself 'the talent'?"
-Larry, GROUNDHOG DAY

:D

Michale

To be accurate, money literally decided the DEMOCRAT PARTY outcome..

Which is wholly and unequivocally apropos, don'tcha think??.. :D

"I try not to. But yer young. Think all you want!"
-Warden Smithers, DEMOLITION MAN

:D

Michale

Anyway, the upshot of it all is that they basically tied in the caucus head-counts, and the coin tosses meant that Clinton got one more delegate to the national convention.

Credit where credit is due, it's a catchy phrase to say that money literally decided the outcome.

"OK... So... She's a dog.."
-Bill Murray, GHOSTBUSTERS

:D

Michale

ACK! That's a tough bill to fill...

"Well, it's Ground Hog Day....Again"

:D

Michale

Ahem, if you really want to impress me, all your quotes today have to come from "Groundhog Day."

"People just don't understand what is involved in this. This is an art-form!"
-- Larry

Shucky darn, shoulda realized that..

My bust.... :D

Michale

And the fact that Microsoft counted the votes and M$ called the race for Clinton BEFORE the voting even got started has absolutely NO meaning, eh??

What a far cry from the Left Wingery DIEBOLD hysteria eh??? :D

Michale

Bottom line, the Iowa race was very close, almost a tie Clinton got 22 delegates, Sanders 21. You can't evenly split 43 delegates.

No kudos for COIN TOSS CLINTON??

I thought that was pretty damn clever... :D

Michale

"Whoaa.. That's different"
-Memphis, HAPPY FEET

:D

Michale

It ain't over til it's over

-- Yogi Berra

The coin-toss delegates, if I understand correctly, are a total non-issue: they're delegates to the state convention, not the national convention. The national convention chooses the presidential nominee and ratifies the national platform; the state convention does pretty much nothing that matters to anyone who doesn't attend.

Well, the current tally is Six counties...

And I am willing to wager that, if Trump had won Iowa by virtue of winning 6 straight coin tosses, Weigantians would be screaming hysterically how "outlandishly uncommon" it was... :D

Am I wrong???

I doubt it.. :D

Michale

"Symone Sanders, spokeswoman for the campaign, said the delayed results were due to the Iowa Democratic Party’s failure to staff the precincts in question.

'You said it, I did not,' Symone Sanders replied."

I thought Miami was in OH.

Sorry.

Also, @Michale, that paper in another article, reports that 5 precincts where decided by coin flip, a 1 in 32 chance, so not really that remarkable. Even if it were 6 precincts, 1 in 64 isn't that suspicious -- a little less common than pulling a 3 of a kind in 5-card stud. Doesn't happen a lot, but not outlandishly uncommon.

"You may have won the vote, but I won the count."
-Joseph Stalin

Ya'all didn't like that very much in 2000, eh??

But, when it's a person with a '-D' after their name.. I guess it's acceptable... :^/

I'm just sayin'.....

Michale

Apparently, lucky is all that it takes to satisfy the Clintonistas.. :D

Hillary could have lost all the coin tosses (frankly it would have been better for her if she had - there are going to be the inevitable conspiracy theorists coming out of the woodwork) and it will make no difference in three months time. A few delegates here or there aren't going to swing this.

True, it's going to be spin'ed, regardless of the facts on the ground..

"... nature of the beast.."
-Col Hadley, THE FINAL OPTION

:D

Michale

Hillary could have lost all the coin tosses (frankly it would have been better for her if she had - there are going to be the inevitable conspiracy theorists coming out of the woodwork) and it will make no difference in three months time. A few delegates here or there aren't going to swing this.

Yea... Only if the "win" in November is decided by a coin toss...

:D

"Coin Toss Clinton"

Has a nice ring to it, don'tcha think?? :D

Michale

Dig that hole deeper. You're good at that.

"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK."
-Robert De Niro, TAXI DRIVER

:D heh

Michale

Welcome to my world, my friend.. :D

Michale

Basically Hillary won Iowa due to a coin toss...

THAT says a LOT about the state of the Democrat Party...

HILLARY IS THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR POTUS BECAUSE SHE IS.. ahem "LUCKY" AT CALLING HEADS/TAILS!!!

Whatta campaign slogan.....

The Democrat Party.. It is to laugh... :D

Michale

:D

Michale

du auch... :D

Michale

"That's NOT what you said!! I can have the court reporter read it back exactly....."
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

You said, ". . . and that's because losing makes you a loser."

Bernie lost.. That mean, by YOUR definition, Bernie is a loser..

Of course, like all of the Left Wingery, you are entitled to make up whatever you want, in order to satisfy your selfish needs..

"We satisfy our endless needs ....
.... and justify our bloody deeds...."
-The Last Resort, THE EAGLES

:D

Michale

Who came in second?

No, who is on First..

Like TS, I just had to say that.. :D

Michale

Yea, but this day it's a LEFT WINGERY conspiracy theory.. :D

Thereby providing even MORE evidence (as if any is needed) that there is very little difference between the Left Wingery and the Right Wingery..

"Your good and your evil use the same methods to achieve the same results."
Yarnek/General George Washington

:D

Michale

He is, in fact, the loser of the Iowa caucus, by a nose. That's a fact. It's also completely irrelevant to the comment I made. Work on that reading comprehension troll.

The bottom fell out on Mr. Trump!

I just had to write that.

The schoolyard bully got his nose bloodied...by another schoolyard bully to be sure, but still fun to watch.

I just had to write that too.

As if it hasn't been said enough, The Polls have always been poor predictors of Iowa. Crowd size was a poor predictor of Trump's performance...a lot of people at the venues seem to have been there for the show. Some of the more astute reporters noted that the audience shrank rather dramatically as soon as the speeches started to ramble...but maybe that's just tea leaves too.

The Betfair Republican Nomination Market market is very differently this Tues. AM. Going in, Trump roughly 50%, Rubio, 30%, Cruz 15%. Going forward, Trump and Rubio have traded places, Cruz is still third.

M-14

"nother day, 'nother conspiracy theory.

In EVERY ONE, Hillary won the toss...

The odds of that happening are 1 in 64....

Now ya'all know why Hillary's campaign motto is "BY HOOK OR BY CROOK"

Ya almost got to feel bad for Bernie....

Michale

Microsoft was intimately involved in the vote counting in Iowa and called the Dem race for Clinton EVEN BEFORE THE VOTING STARTED!!

Now, if THAT don't make ya'all wonder, then there is no synaptic activity anywhere...

Michale

Wouldn't it be a hoot if Sanders won the popular vote but Hillary won the delegate count...

The Left Wingery would twist itself into pretzels in THAT scenario, eh?? :D

It would be worth the price of admission!!

Grab the popcorn!!!

It's CIVIL WAR!!! :D

Michale

So... Bernie's a "loser"...

I think you would find some people here would disagree with you, JFC... :D

On the other hand, you toe the Democrat Party line, so you'll probably get away with it.. :D

Michale

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 17, 2014

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 30, 2013

heh

Michale

There's also the fun fact that Sanders beat HRC in Clinton County. That must be delicious irony for the Sanders' camp! :-))

Winning Iowa is not historically a good omen for Republican candidates. Santorum won here in 2012 and Huckabee in 2008. It's worth noting that Santorum did go on to place second overall. I'm wondering if that trend will be repeated.

Not that I'm a proponent of historical trends. Too many factors vary from one contest to another for there to be any consistency in relevant variables. Timing alone is not a reliable predictor.

Hillary and Sanders tied... :(

Hillary won by a coin toss in 6 counties.. Leave it to the Democrat Party to reduce democracy to a coin toss... :^/

Michale

Looks like I went 1-for-3 on the GOP side, as Rubio didn't catch Trump. Rubio did do better than expected, though, in the raw numbers.

The Hillary/Bernie thing is as close to a tie as I've ever seen in Iowa. With 95.4% reporting, they are 3 apart out of over 1300 total. That's pretty damn close, no matter who wins...

-CW

Still too close to call on Dem side.

Hillary is 1 pt. ahead of Bernie right now. So tight.

However, like you, this is pure gut. My gut says that, if you look at the entire gaggle (what is the collective noun for this bunch? "Clown Car" for the Republicans, of course), Hillary is the only responsible choice. I just can't imagine voting for any of the others, so can't imagine other people doing so. Failure of imagination on my part, of course.