So, let me get this straight.

Obama announced he ended torture as a US policy upon assuming the presidency, and three years later Obama and his gang take down Bin Laden, and years after that, his political appointee Panetta makes a reference to "interrogation tactics used at that time"... when torture was no longer being used...

... and you conclude that his assertion amounts to documentation that torture was partially responsible for information leading to Bin Laden?

Do you have any quotes that actually substantiate your claim or is this what you're going with as proof of how classy you are?

Because, that doesn't amount to "well documented" by any definition I've ever seen... and there are all sorts of interrogation tactics that aren't torture... which someone with your "experience" should know.

And, frankly, the "trust me" argument you reverted to after lying repeatedly isn't believable either.

I see you're also officially wimping out on trying to disprove the facts on the CIA website about there being more terrorists now than when we began the GWOT.

Yup, you're just oozing class.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong, Biga??

Once again, you have proven how outclassed you are, my little ray of ugliness and pettiness.. :D

OK.. NOW I am done. :D

Michale

You have no facts, just childish and immature name calling..

In other words, you are beginning to bore me.. :D

Michale

Do you need more time to come up with this supposed documentation?

I can check back in a week or so...

Calling you a lying troll is simply factual accuracy. Only wingnuts think that is "childish".

But you keep forgetting that my comments to and about you are not for you.

Back to the issue at hand.

Once again you offer empty assertion after claiming documentation about the effectiveness of torture.

Apparently, you can't even offer actual quotes of such assertions.

You just continue to wimp out on backing up your lying claims.

Moving on...

Amazing that you bash the CIA.
Also amazing that you bash the CIA while presenting Panetta as a credible (though unquoted) source of assertion and don't recognize how foolish that makes you look.

Now, there are many reasons to doubt the CIA... particularly their politically appointed leadership.
However, since the facts they publicly present on their website contradict the desired narrative of the neolibcon establishment that you are trying and failing to defend (that the War on Terror is making us safer when they're actually creating more terrorists than they kill), the burden remains on you to prove that the facts they present are inaccurate.

Also, given that the facts they present are indeed public, and people far more knowledgeable than you haven't challenged them, I'm confident that you've still got nothing and are just trying to distract from the fact that you can't present any documentation to support your lies about the effectiveness of torture... because you're a lying troll and that's what lying trolls do.

And, just for the record genius, when two people are presenting contradictory arguments, silence from others can't logically be giving assent to both of them.

*I* said it.. You just agreed with me..

Hurts, don't it? heh :D

Michale

SILENCE GIVES ASSENT

:D

Michale

And YOU believe Obama's CIA!???

Only when it says what you want to hear..

Leon Panetta is quoted many times stating that torture got them the intel that got them Bin Laden.. DYOFR... :D

Like I said, you are clueless about the issue and only spout off Left Wingery talking points..

In other words, you say what you say because you read it somewhere..

I say what I say because I have been there, done that and got the T-shirt...

All you have is childish name-calling and immature personal attacks..

You call me a troll..

If true, that makes you a moron for BEING trolled.. :D heh

Michale

Still waiting for that documentation liar.

Go ahead and include the supposed Bin Laden documentation too liar.

Seems to me like you're the one who's got nothing.
Anybody reading this would have to agree.

And, BTW, the CIA website that actually substantiates what I wrote is open for perusal by anyone.
You know, officially documented facts.

Truly pathetic.
All that "experience" and no integrity.

The problem here, Biga, is that you haven't a CLUE what you are talking about.. You do nothing but bloviate HuffPoop pieces and Left Wingery bullshit and think you actually KNOW something about the issue...

When you have over 2 and a half decades in the field, then come talk to me..

Until then, what you have is nothing more than hysterical clap-trap...

Michale

No one said that torture was "responsible" for the taking down of Obama bin Laden...

But torture DID get us intel that lead us to Bin Laden..

This is documented as fact..

You have nothing, Biga..

I have documented fact and personal experience..

Michale

Now, check out the CIA terrorism fact sheets for the last 16 years, and you will see that they have actually documented that the number of terrorists (including just al Qaida alone) have massively increased not decreased during those years.

Our policies of torture, invasions, regime changes and drone warfare that have cost Americans over $5 trillion dollars have NOT made us "safer".

The policies that killed thousands of American soldiers have NOT made us "safer".

The killing of hundreds of thousands of people has NOT made us "safer".

The creation of millions of refugees from our wars has not made us "safer".

The destruction of our reputation that reduced our ability to use soft power has NOT made us "safer".

Instead, those failed policies have created more enemies than we've killed.

So, no, your deluded claims are not facts.
They're lies.
Big, ugly, stupid lies.

And, btw. Zero Dark Thirty was a piece of Hollywood fiction, NOT a documentary.
Torture was not responsible for the "taking down of Bin Laden" either.

Your existence and lying is sad.

You claimed documentation.
Put up or shut up.

Empty assertion is all we got from Cheney too... another proven liar.

You swallow the whole "torture doesn't work" BS because you have not a clue what REAL enhanced interrogations are all about.. You just swallow the Hysterical Left Wingery's namby-pamby politically correct crap without a single thought to reality...

The people who have been there and done that from lil ole me on up to AND INCLUDING the Obama Administration knows for a fact that torture works..

It's been responsible for MANY intelligence and CT coups up to, AND INCLUDING, the taking down of Osama Bin Laden..

So, go spew yer whiny, "OHMYGOD IT'S SOOO HORRIBLE!!! TORTURE DOESN'T WORK!!!" hysteria to the uninformed masses...

People around here are smarter than that...

Michale

I have the Obama Administration's own words and my own personal experiences.

What do you have??

Nothing.. Zero... Zilch... Nada...

Run along and play, sunshine. You are WAY outclassed here.. :D

Michale

Good question.
Hence my inquiry.

A

In other words, you have zero documentation to prove the effectiveness of torture, AND you're delusional.

Back to trying to change the subject too.

A

About what?

"The words I am looking for, I can't say in front of pre-school toys"
-Woody, TOY STORY

:D

Sorry, RD... Could NOT find an appropriate GroundHog Day quote.. :D

Michale

:D

Michale

There was none because they acknowledge how full of shit you really are... :D

I mean, after all..

Wasn't it you who agreed with me when I said, SILENCE GIVES ASSENT??? :D

Well, there ya go... :D

Michale

Actually, I wasn't "wimping out".. It's just that I hadn't read it at the time I asked about your totally WRONG prediction about Bernie...

Irregardless, even if I HAD read it, my response would be the same..

Thank you for your concession that you have absolutely NO rational response to my points. As is evidence by your stooping to childish personal attacks and immature name-calling.

Your concession of my superiority is appreciated, albeit irrelevant...

Have a happy... :D

I recently read that the neoliberal wing of the neolibcon establishment takes particular offense to criticism from the left, but given even their (sometimes grudging) admission that sexual harassment and torture are unacceptable, I had hoped you might be able to summon a tsk-tsk or something.

There was none because they acknowledge how full of shit you really are... :D

Respectfully speaking, of course. :D

heh

Michale

Sorry.
That last comment should have read-
"Still holding a grudge, eh?"
Get it?
The great white north...

I recently read that the neoliberal wing of the neolibcon establishment takes particular offense to criticism from the left, but given even their (sometimes grudging) admission that sexual harassment and torture are unacceptable, I had hoped you might be able to summon a tsk-tsk or something.

My comments were, after all, directed toward the non-hopeless members of this community... particularly those who value being right.

A

Wimping out as usual by trying to change the subject... your favorite trollery tactic.

What's yer thoughts on WEEKEND AT BERNIES.... that was on Monday?? :D

Michale

"Beating around the bush"?
You clearly knew you were the subject and you know what I said.
But I'll summarize for you.
You're disgusting for minimizing both sexual harassment and torture.

Not the least bit surprised you gleefully admit to personal experience torturing people.
Just another disgrace to the uniform.

Please do share some of that "well documented" proof of the effectiveness of torture.
Nobody else ever has.
And specifically "the current administration" is included in that "nobody".

You always resort to lying when cornered.
Pathetic.

She's in mourning.. :D

Michale

Still holding a grudge?

I appreciate the response you gave to my comments... oh, wait.

A

Olive Oil...

HAPPY DAYS
S01E03- Richie's Cup Runneth Over (1/29/74)

Richie and Ralph set up a mannequin in Bert's car and scare a waitress. The waitress goes to the car and the mannequin's head falls off. Richie is invited to Potsie's cousin's, Arnold Drysdale who is in the Marines and is returning from Korea, bachelor/stag party at the Crystal Hotel. Richie and Potsie are given some adult playing cards by Duke. They drink some olive oil, imported from Spain and that Potsie got from the kitchen, to get ready for the drinking games. The drinking game is called "Sloppy Sixty". Verna LaVerne comes out of a cake and entertains. Verna gives Richie a ride home in her pickup truck (with the cake in the back of the truck). Howard comes down and meets Verna. Richie invites Verna over for dinner Sunday night at 8 o'clock. Richie comes home with a hangover after having 72 teenie-weenie glasses of beer.

:D

Michale

I may have to figure out a way to drink whiskey all night without passing out.

Got any tips?

Well, at least he tells it like HE thinks it is..

Apparently, 67% of Iowans agree with him..

That's what makes democracy so frakin' awesome.. Even an arrogant prick can have a following.. :D

We're still talking about Trump, right?? heh

Michale

Well, I dunno if your prediction came true or not, but I DO know that I am very disappointed..

No BERNIE BERNS HILLARY headline for me.. :(

Michale

Well, that's assuming, of course, that my prediction comes true. Heh.

I have a prediction. Ahem.

The people of Iowa are playing the pollsters and media for fools.

And, yes, this does indeed mean that I have finally gotten over the 2008 Fiasco in Iowa - which has noting to do, by the way, with Obama's win but with Biden's less than one percent.

Experts say that the arrangement is legal, but demonstrates how Clinton’s political machine is circumventing campaign finance restrictions even as Clinton decries the corrosive influence of money in the American political system.

Ya see what I mean???

No difference between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to money in campaigns...

Michale

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Sanders is really really kicking ass!!!

Michale

The record caucus attendance for Republicans was set in 2012 at 122,000.. Predictions are that there will be a possible 160,000 today... If that holds true, it will be Trump by a landslide... Less attendance, considerably below 140,000, will benefit Cruz..

On the Democrat side, the record attendance was set in 2008 (no surprise there) at 240,000... predictions today are a high of 240,000... If that holds true, then it's a major Sanders win...

It's funny.. Clinton is hoping and praying for LESS turnout..

That's a pretty good indication of how bad Clinton is... :D

Michale

Anyone going to be glued to their computers today?? :D

For me, here's the headline I want to see..

SANDERS DEMOLISHES CLINTON!!

:D

Michale

The rise of Trump, the downfall of the ‘experts’

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/31/charles-hurt-the-rise-of-donald-trump-the-downfall/

The WHY of Donald Trump is the ONLY thing that matters...

Michale

Excellent!

So dead on ballz accurate, it's scary..

Michale

ELIZABETH MILLER wrote: Correction: altohone [19] not altotone [19].

Actually, I never wrote that.

That's true. You didn't write that. I failed to delete the "Elizabeth Miller wrote:" part before posting. Again, my bad.

Elizabeth Miller wrote:

That wasn't a hole, it was an ad hominem attack. Heh.

I better stop while you're behind. Oh, no!

Oh I see.
Thank you for the explanation.
I was being dense. At those times an explanation in the form of a demonstration is effective and appreciated.

OMG: NAACP leader uses F-word to apologize for using T-word after N-word meeting
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/omg-naacp-leader-uses-f-word-to-apologize-for-using-t-word-after-n-word-meeting/

This whole thing is making mountains out of molehills..

heh :D

Michale

It's CAUCUS DAY!!! :D

Anyone going to be glued to their computers today?? :D

Michale

Michale

If she doesn't want to discuss why she would quote a racist to make a point she doesn't want to make.....

....well I have better things to do..

Michale

I have given up trying to keep up... :D

Michale

Actually, I never wrote that.

The hole is getting deeper and deeper ... are you okay, Mopshell?

What hole?

That wasn't a hole, it was an ad hominem attack. Heh.

You're slippin'. Oh, I guess that was another one!

I better stop while you're behind. Oh, no!

altohone quotes CW and then Weigantian Don Harris in this first paragraph from comment [19]:

I'm sure I'm missing some dynamic at play here, but when CW justifiably condemns this Don Harris from Arizona and says "Harris, to his credit, offered to resign his position" and our own Don Harris points out the obvious truth that "I have learned that I should keep my opinions on tits to myself in public", there is silence from this community about a certain unenlightened resident joining the fray on the wrong side.

No more than you yelling to avoid making a point

ad hominem attack

Correction: altohone [19] not altotone [19].

When you're in a hole

What hole?

AND quoting a racist.. :D

Michale

I was under the impression that altotone said in [19]:

Altotone?

When you're in a hole ... :)

No more than you yelling to avoid making a point.. :D

Michale

Then state the point that I am refusing to see...

You can't because you have no point..

DEEP DENIAL

OK. Fine... Lets narrow Truman's assertions down to one:

“I think one man is just as good as another...

AVOIDANCE
DISTRACTION - ATTEMPT TO GAIN UPPER HAND FROM EXTREMELY WEAK POSITION
FALSE EQUIVALENCE

http://sjfm.us/temp/BernieClinton.jpg

:D

Michale

Clinton is given a bit less than a 70% of winning Iowa, Sanders a bit under 30%

The Betfair Iowa Caucus markets are small, only 1/10th the size of the Republican nomination markets.

Low to mid 40s, no snow til early evening..

Michale

So, why should ANYONE take ANYTHING he says as gospel??

Oh yea.. That's right. Because it agrees with your political ideology..

Which simply shows that you will embrace even a racist if he or she agrees with your politics..

Michale

Oh my god.. REALLY?? :^/

The refusal to see points is not the same as there being no points.

Then state the point that I am refusing to see...

You can't because you have no point..

"She has no point. She often has no point. That's part of her charm.."
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

To make it easier, let's narrow Truman's assertions down to one:

OK. Fine... Lets narrow Truman's assertions down to one:

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a nigger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman.”

Again, I ask..

What is your point??

Michale

~John Stuart Mill

You can count on being corrected if you actually STATE a position or an opinion...

IRRELEVANT TO CONTEXT

You quoted a racist POTUS from 50 years ago and assumed it had some reference to the discussion in here and now.

If you want me to address yer point, then for christ's sake, MAKE ONE..

More AVOIDANCE AND DISTRACTION.

Correction 1: The quote is from almost 68 years ago so your guesstimation of 50 years is 18 years out.

Correction 2: The refusal to see points is not the same as there being no points.

To make it easier, let's narrow Truman's assertions down to one:

"They consider electric power a great blessing — but only when the private power companies get their rake-off."

You can count on being corrected if you actually STATE a position or an opinion...

But you sound like you swallowed a thesaurus..

"Don't you EVER call me a thesaurus!"
-Drax The Destroyer, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY

:D

What's with all of this tiptoeing around on eggshells?? Did I suddenly acquire some god-awful destructive power whereas people are afraid to say "MICHALE IS BEING A PRICK AGAIN!!!"???

I mean, honestly. I have been called very mean things in my day.. But.. "a certain unenlightened resident "...???

THAT really hurts!!! :D heh

Michale

Well, you've been around here long enough to know that Ms. Miller is always right but, I'm still not sure you understand who said what.

I was under the impression that altotone said in [19]:

I'm sure I'm missing some dynamic at play here, but when CW justifiably condemns this Don Harris from Arizona and says "Harris, to his credit, offered to resign his position" and our own Don Harris points out the obvious truth that "I have learned that I should keep my opinions on tits to myself in public", there is silence from this community about a certain unenlightened resident joining the fray on the wrong side.

That Michale quoted this then wrote in [20]:

Someone took the PRUDE pills this morning.

I trust I can count on being corrected if this is wrong and/or I failed to understand the context, connotation, implication, intention and/or semantics.

"Indeed..."
-T'ealc, STARGATE SG1

:D

Michale

heh

Michale

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. :)

Sorry, Al - that was far too hard for me to resist.

Of course Ms Miller is right - my bad. I apologize for my misunderstanding due to failing to take into account the quote in full prior to the assessment that "Someone took the PRUDE pills this morning."

Well, you've been around here long enough to know that Ms. Miller is always right but, I'm still not sure you understand who said what. :)

By the way ... Ms. Miller? That's what they call me at some whole other blog. Of course, over there, it's used as a sign of respect. Heh.

This catty beating around the bush like yer afraid of yer own shadow is very unbecoming...

Torture worked.. This is well-documented both by the current administration and my own personal experiences in the field.

Now, you can armchair quarterback from the safety and sanctity of your basement dwelling all you want.. But have no fear. You are made free and kept free, not to mention kept alive, by people who are better than you... People in the circles that I ran around in back in the day.....

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "
-John Stuart Mills

Michale

It seems Donald Harris would be welcomed with open arms if he were to join this "private" space that is open to all... and without a peep to be heard unless goaded. In the meantime, we have said resident who was caught crawling into the gutter and belittling harassment and objectification, and rather than embarrassment or apology, he chooses to rationalize his behavior by labeling the only one willing to point it out a prude. And the inured remain unfazed.

Unfortunately, I later had the displeasure of stumbling upon an even more disgusting occurrence.
Namely, a comparison of state sanctioned torture to fraternity hazing under a recent column.
A comparison meant to downplay the extreme barbarity and immorality, not to mention criminality.

Never mind that numbskulls who willingly submit to idiotic initiations bears no relation to forced subjection to war crimes outlawed by treaty, because a further difference jumps right out at you... or, at least should.

While formerly tolerated and even glorified, hazing is now officially and widely banned, and fraternities face consequences when caught. And, in the case of bodily harm or death, individual members have been prosecuted.

In the case of state sanctioned torture by Americans, only a few low level scapegoats faced minor punishment, while the authorizers and organizers who are responsible for 136 deaths in US custody, and mass degradations, and untold damage to our reputation, and the endangerment of any future US prisoners, and all without a single shred of evidence about effectiveness... faced no prosecutions whatsoever.

And, of course, the psychopathic rationalizations and justifications (and lack of prosecutions by our current neolibcon "leader") have left the door open for the current crop of Repub wannabe's to raise the possibility of openly embracing and returning to a policy of committing war crimes in the name of national security.

No word from neolibcon Hillary if she too would join that parade, because our coopted fourth estate can't muster the courage to ask such questions. For that matter, I'm not aware of the democratic socialist Bernie even being asked about it.

I'll just shuffle my prudish self along now.

You didn't MAKE any points..

You quoted a racist POTUS from 50 years ago and assumed it had some reference to the discussion in here and now.

If you want me to address yer point, then for christ's sake, MAKE ONE.. :D

Michale

Try and keep up.

AD HOMINEM ATTACK.

Harry Truman... The POTUS who dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan...

I'll be HAPPY to follow you down that road, but I don't think you will like where it leads.. :D

AVOIDANCE AND DISTRACTION - TOTAL FAILURE TO ADDRESS THE POINTS PRESENTED WITH INTRODUCTION OF TWO NEW POINTS

“The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgement on world affairs.”

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a nigger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman.”

I'll give you 3 guesses as to who said that but you should only need 1...

I'll give you a hint. It was the "hero" of the Left you quoted in comment #41... :^/

I told you that you would not like where the road your on leads...

Michale

Or would that be THREE'S COMPANY?? :D

Michale

I stand corrected. The microphone was ON him.. Not in front of him..

I suggest you take it up with with your friend, CW.

Michale

It's what the Obama Administration does when it disparages the man/woman pay gap in the general population..

STAND-ALONE STATEMENT - NO FACTS IN EVIDENCE, NO SOURCES PROVIDED

So, you DON'T want to use the averages when it DOESN'T support your ideological agenda, but you DO want to use averages when it DOES support yer ideological agenda..

AD HOMINEM ATTACK

Harry Truman... The POTUS who dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan...

And he said it in 1948... Do you know who was the racist Party in 1948?? The Party of the KKK??

The Democrat Party..

Are you SURE you want to go there??

I'll be HAPPY to follow you down that road, but I don't think you will like where it leads.. :D

Michale

Donald Harris was speaking to the press.

No. Donald Harris was speaking to a third party in a private conversation..

Quote from Friday Talking Points [376] -- One No Trump:

Harris, while leaving the meeting, spoke to some reporters. With a microphone on him, Harris said to a male reporter, in reference to a female reporter standing nearby: "Nice tits."

We're not going to repeat what he said afterwards, because he just lapsed into profanity (over and over again) while ham-handedly trying to apologize.

So while we're not entirely sure whether Don Harris is an actual Democrat, we do know he's entirely unsuited to any public position that requires interaction with the public, so we're going to award him the Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week award anyway.

Michale wrote:

Do you know for a fact that the microphone was right in front of him??

If so, by all means.. State your facts.

I suggest you take it up with with your friend, CW.

Today the forces of liberalism face a crisis. The people of the United States must make a choice between two ways of living — a decision which will affect us the rest of our lives and our children and our grandchildren after us.

On the other side, there is the Wall Street way of life and politics. Trust the leader! Let big business take care of prices and profits! Measure all things by money! That is the philosophy of the masters of the Republican Party.

Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues.

Since they won't tell you themselves, I am going to tell you.

They approve of the American farmer — but they are willing to help him go broke.

They stand four-square for the American home — but not for housing.

They are strong for labor — but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights.

They favor a minimum wage — the smaller the minimum the better.

They endorse educational opportunity for all — but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools.

They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine — for people who can afford them.

They approve of Social Security benefits — so much so that they took them away from almost a million people.

They favor the admission of displaced persons — but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.

They consider electric power a great blessing — but only when the private power companies get their rake-off.

They condemn "cruelly high prices" — but fight to the death every effort to bring them down.

They think the American standard of living is a fine thing — so long as it doesn't spread to all the people.

And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.

And once again, absolutely NO FACTS to back it up.

Really??

You DID read comment #28, right??

Of course you did. Because you quoted it in comment #37..

Try and keep up.. :D

Michale

No. Donald Harris was speaking to a third party in a private conversation..

He could hardly fail to notice there was a microphone in front of him.

Do you know for a fact that the microphone was right in front of him??

If so, by all means.. State your facts..

He had to know his comment would be picked up by that microphone but he was unconcerned by the fact.

And you know this HOW exactly??

This is more GOBBLEDEGOOK. If you want your rationalization to be understood, then you need to explain it.

If a joke has to be explained then it's not really a joke, is it? :D

The Washington Post should know why using "average" in this instance is deliberate distortion of statistics, even if it's way over your head.

It's what the Obama Administration does when it disparages the man/woman pay gap in the general population..

So, you DON'T want to use the averages when it DOESN'T support your ideological agenda, but you DO want to use averages when it DOES support yer ideological agenda..

Gotcha {wink, wink}

I'll ask again.. Who pee'ed in yer Cheerios this morning? :D

Michale

I'm afraid there was no such judgement. Which you will realize when you re-read the comments.

Of course Ms Miller is right - my bad. I apologize for my misunderstanding due to failing to take into account the quote in full prior to the assessment that "Someone took the PRUDE pills this morning."

The average male White House employee currently earns about $88,600, while the average female White House employee earns about $78,400, according to White House data released Tuesday. That is a gap of 13 percent.

TOTAL COMPREHENSION FAIL

The Washington Post should know why using "average" in this instance is deliberate distortion of statistics, even if it's way over your head.

We have been disagreeing much of late so I felt we should agree on SOMETHING... :D

Yea, a virtually anonymous posting on a 'net forum is hardly the same thing as speaking to a friend in a public place with a microphone in proximity...

Michale

I do not.. But why let facts intrude on yer little fantasy..

TOTAL COMPREHENSION FAIL

For future reference, the clause "it would seem" means "while it appears to be this way, it's possible/likely it was not meant this way."

But why let facts intrude on your little fantasy?

Michale wrote:

Of course, you omit the ':D' which explains the whole "accusation" of lying.

This is more GOBBLEDEGOOK. If you want your rationalization to be understood, then you need to explain it.

And, if Michelle Obama was the only staffer in the White House, then you would have a point.

But she's not, so you don't...

Once again, you make the claim...

And once again, absolutely NO FACTS to back it up.

Once again, you make the claim..

And once again, absolutely NO FACTS to back it up.

WRONG (again)

For the record, Donald Harris didn't make the comment into a microphone. He made the comment to another party and the microphone happened to be in proximity..

EQUIVOCATION

Donald Harris was speaking to the press. He could hardly fail to notice there was a microphone in front of him. He had to know his comment would be picked up by that microphone but he was unconcerned by the fact.

A minor detail but one which shows how careless he was in addition to being witless.

For the record, Donald Harris didn't make the comment into a microphone. He made the comment to another party and the microphone happened to be in proximity..

A minor, but important, detail...

Michale

Once again, you make the claim..

And once again, absolutely NO FACTS to back it up.. :D

Michale

And, if Michelle Obama was the only staffer in the White House, then you would have a point.

But she's not, so you don't... :D

Michale

Really??

Male-female pay gap remains entrenched at White House
The White House has not narrowed the gap between the average pay of male and female employees since President Obama’s first year in office, according to a Washington Post analysis of new salary data.

The average male White House employee currently earns about $88,600, while the average female White House employee earns about $78,400, according to White House data released Tuesday. That is a gap of 13 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/male-female-pay-gap-remains-entrenched-at-white-house/2014/07/01/dbc6c088-0155-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html

As good a demonstration of false equivalence with a lack of basic understanding as you'll ever see.

Yea.. Just like the White House pays men and women equally.. :D

While it would seem obvious that Michale thinks it's perfectly acceptable for DONALD Harris to make the comment he did to a third person and into a microphone,

I do not.. But why let facts intrude on yer little fantasy.. :D

And for the record, DONALD Harris was NOT lying..

when no-one accused DONALD Harris of lying.

Of course, you omit the ':D' which explains the whole "accusation" of lying. :D

Who pee'ed in your cheerios?? :D

Michale

Michale then went on to judge Weigantian member Don Harris' declaration "I have learned that I should keep my opinions on tits to myself in public" as:

Someone took the PRUDE pills this morning.

I'm afraid there was no such judgement. Which you will realize when you re-read the comments.