It's proof that there wasn't enough evidence to pursue a civil rights violation in the incident..

From the Zimmerman side of things, this incident had NOTHING to do with racism..

Still waiting for you to provide ANY evidence of Zimmerman's alleged racism..

If you can't, it proves you are lying..

Michale
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Your quote from the DOJ is exactly what I said.
Insufficient evidence that racism motivated a hate crime is NOT proof that Zimmerman isn't racist.

Your head in the sand approach is likewise pathetic.
You choosing not to know the truth isn't "proof".
Being too afraid to type four words and read what comes up is not the least bit surprising.

Your revisionism about your "proof" about BLM is a joke. That was not what you claimed in that discussion you wingnut liar.

You may also note a distinct difference between "most" and "ANYTHING"... which is further proof you are a liar, and a liar who makes false accusations... just like Zimmerman.
If you're going to accuse me of lying, starting the paragraph by quoting what I wrote that exposes your accusation as false is just dumb.

And since you're still too much of a wimp to actually challenge MOST of what I wrote despite being given a second chance to do so, the only conclusion one can reach is that you can't.
Resorting back to trollery in an attempt to change the subject brings us back to your wimpy tendencies.

Black Lives Matter..

Except when the black life is a cop, apparently..

Michale
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Once again, putting cops on trial to appease a racist community....

Like the Zimmerman case, this case should NEVER have gone to trial...

Michale
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Sorry, Sonny Jim.. You made the claim. Now back it up...

Your claim that the DOJ "proved" he wasn't a racist is flat out wrong.

The Justice Department announced today that the independent federal investigation found insufficient evidence to pursue federal criminal civil rights charges against George Zimmerman for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida. Prosecutors from the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, officials from the FBI, and the Justice Department’s Community Relations Service met today with Martin’s family and their representatives to inform them of the findings of the investigation and the decision.
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-officials-close-investigation-death-trayvon-martin

You were saying??

Zimmerman's own words, and testimony from relatives, neighbors, coworkers and girlfriends all show he is in fact racist.

Yea?? Prove it.. You can't because no such testimony exists..

On the other hand, plenty of evidence exists of Zimmerman's outreach with black families and such..

While we're on the topic, I seem to recall that your "proof" that BLM is a racist organization was that they booed O'Malley at Netroots.
There was some booing at the recent GOP debate... were they all racists too?

My "proof" that BLM is a racist hate group is there protests where they espoused violence against other races and held signs like BLACK POWER and such...

If it had been a group of white people holding signs saying WHITE POWER and espousing violence against other races there would be no question that it's a racist hate group...

I'd also like to note that you failed to challenge most of what I've written about both you and Zimmerman in this thread,

Really?? I didn't challenge ANYTHING you said about Zimmerman???

NOW look who is lying?? :D

Yer out-classed, Biga... Now run away and lick your wounds... :D

Michale

I get that you're delusional, and that you think you win when you actually lose, but I also thought you were capable of using Google.

Try it.
Search- George Zimmerman racist comments

Your claim that the DOJ "proved" he wasn't a racist is flat out wrong.

Insufficient evidence to prove Martin was killed in a hate crime motivated by racism is quite different than proving he isn't racist.
Someone with your "experience" should know that of course.

Zimmerman's own words, and testimony from relatives, neighbors, coworkers and girlfriends all show he is in fact racist.

There's even a further similarity with you, in that he too falsely accuses others (in his case Obama) of racism. Check out his bogus "reasoning" while you're doing that search. It's funny.

While we're on the topic, I seem to recall that your "proof" that BLM is a racist organization was that they booed O'Malley at Netroots.
There was some booing at the recent GOP debate... were they all racists too?

I'd also like to note that you failed to challenge most of what I've written about both you and Zimmerman in this thread, so I'll take that as a concession from such a lying wingnut who is once again expressing an interest in groping me for some reason.

Right???

At least, after the first of the year.. :D

Michale
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ACK!!!!!!

ICE MELTS IN THE SUMMER!!!!

"Oh my god, what a fucking nightmare!!!!"
-Marisa Tomeii, MY COUSIN VINNY

According to Al Gore and all the other Global Warming Fanatics, the polar caps were to be ice free by now..

According to some moronic Brit, children in this generation wouldn't know what snow is!

I could go on and on and on and on about all the failed predictions the Global Warming fanatics have made over the last couple decades..

"Failed... Failed... IMPRESSIVELY failed..."
-Doctor, ARMAGEDDON

:D

The simple fact is, the fanatics don't know dick.. They are guessing.. And they are guessing in such a way as to put billions and billions of dollars in their own pockets..

But hay...

What does it matter!??

Obama and the UN have SOLVED the Global Warming catastrophe!!!

The world is saved!!!!

OH FRABJOUS DAY!!!!!

Now we can finally SHUT UP about Global Warming!!

Right???

"Riiiggghhhtt??? Buddy???"
-Woody, TOY STORY

:D

Michale
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Bullshit. I proved this wrong and you acknowledged that fact.

Actually, you never proved it wrong..

You demanded to know what the definition of 'is' was.... Oh no, wait.. That's Bubba...

You demanded to know what the definition of "accurate" was and you refused to provide ANY evidence to support your claim until I defined "accurate"...

But the definition of "accurate" is pretty well set, so I didn't see the need to play your game...

Suffice it to say that there has NEVER been an accurate model by the Global Warming fanatics.. There has NEVER been an accurate prediction by the Global Warming fanatics...

Michale
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But... according to... yunno... REALITY, they are not...

Only if you cherry pick the years. How about the real science: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2015/09/steady-decline-summer-minimum-approaching/

I know, I know you are way too political to actually read the real science on the subject...

Would those be the ones who have NEVER had an accurate prediction or model??

Bullshit. I proved this wrong and you acknowledged that fact.

Excellent!

Heh.

heh

The good kind of special.. :D

Michale
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Amen to that!!! :D

Michale
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Winnipeg, not so much. :)

Define special.

Heh.

And you will always be special to me.. :D

Michale

You are not up on current events..

It's called "Climate Disruption" now.. :D

Marketing.. Nothing but marketing...

Michale
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Would those be the ones who have NEVER had an accurate prediction or model??

THOSE are the ones you think have a "better understanding"?? :D

Shirley you jest...

Michale
443

You mean, PUBLIC INDOCTRINATION..

Complete with jail time for those who do no toe the Party Line..

I mean, honestly.

What kind of "SCIENCE" is it when the alleged "scientists" want to JAIL those who dissent?!?

That ain't no "science" that *I* have ever heard of...

Michale
442

Well, some of us have a better understanding of things than do others.

Parts of the globe are heating up, other parts are getting colder. ON AVERAGE, we have global warming.

Parts of the globe are getting drier, other parts are flooding. All part and parcel of the ongoing - and, largely irreversible - changes in our climate.

Which, I'm told, is always a good thing. :)

Seriously, the ice shield in the Antarctic is expanding during the winter season because - hope you're sitting down, Michale - the ice below the ocean surface IS melting and the cold water is less dense and therefore rises to the top where it is prone to freezing.

It's complicated, ain't it?

It's activism...

Michale
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Michale
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No, the "simpletons" are the ones who change the name of their religion when the planet doesn't co-operate...

I am simply there to remind them that it's GLOBAL WARMING... They all said so.. :D

Michale
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So, it is not very wise to engage in simple analyses of the problems that challenge us, on either count.

I completely agree...

Therefore, we shouldn't go mucking around with things we clearly cannot understand...

For, if we actually understood the climate, the Global Warming fanatics would have at least ONE correct prediction or ONE correct model under their belt...

But they have none, so their ignorance is on display for all to see..

Michale
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I know this is adding to your increasing comment count - which is good, anyway you slice it - but, it makes you sound like a simpleton. Which is not good. :)

Ah, yeah ... they kind of are.

Yea, I know... According to the Global Warming fanatics, they are melting..

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-2415191-185A43E400000578-982_640x365.jpg

But... according to... yunno... REALITY, they are not...

Who ya gonna trust?? The fanatics or your own eyes?? :D

Besides, according to the Global Warming scientists, all polar ice was supposed to be GONE by now...

And yet.. the ice fields and sheets are bigger than ever and growing...

But hay... I am a fair guy.. You get the entirety of the Left Wingery to quit driving cars and quit exhaling and I'll see what I can do with the normal people.. :D

Michale
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The climate is like life on earth ... they're complicated.

So, it is not very wise to engage in simple analyses of the problems that challenge us, on either count.

Of course I know who snow works..

Humans cause it!

"Dooooyyyyyyyyyyyy"
-Vanillope Von Schweetz, WRECK IT RALPH

But I thought with Global WARMING things would.... yunno... get warmer??

I mean, why call it Global WARMING if cold things happen??

Again.....

"Dooooyyyyyyyyyyyy"
-Vanillope Von Schweetz, WRECK IT RALPH

:D

Michale
436

Ah, yeah ... they kind of are.

Yet, the polar ice caps AREN'T melting..

That's kinda a problem for the whole GLOBAL WARMING religion, eh? :D

But, let me see if I have this straight.

Global Warming causes a LACK of snow..

And...

Global Warming causes an ABUNDANCE of snow...

Hmmmmmm

Sounds an awful lot like "GOD'S WILL" to me...

But what does it matter! Obama SOLVED the Global Warming "catastrophe"!!

Hallelujah!!! :D

Michale
435

Well, wonder no more as it most decidedly is.

It's really interesting how the melting polar ice caps and the rest of it impacts upon the jet stream. The jet stream is our weather-maker, you know ...

Global Warming strikes again!!

Biggest Storm This Season Breaks Daily Snowfall Record In Denver
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/12/15/biggest-storm-this-season-breaks-daily-snowfall-record-in-denver/#comments

It's actually funny... Denver just broke a snowfall record that was set way back in 1897...

Wonder if it was Global Warming that caused THAT snowfall as well! :D

But the good news is, Obama has single-handedly solved the Global Warming crisis in Paris...

And, since Global Warming is the root cause of ALL terrorism (according to the Hysterical Left Wingery) that means Obama has solved the terrorism problem as well!

Whatta guy!!!

Now, please.. Can the Hysterical Left Wingery please shut the frak up about Global Warming?? :D

"Give it a rest, Rodney.."
-Dr Carson Beckett, STARGATE ATLANTIS

:D

Michale
433

I mean, I really slapped yer wee-wee over the racist hate group Black Lives Matter..

I wouldn't have thought you would want to get slammed down again over your support of racism and hatred...

But, as I said, if you have any FACTS, relevant facts, to support your claims, by all means.. Show them..

But you and I both know you have no facts... We've been on this rodeo before. You come back with nothing but immature personal attacks and childish name-calling, I slap you down hard and then you run away...

I was content to simply ignore you and laugh my ass off at your inane wallowing..

But, hay... I need to get my comment count up and this seems to be the only way to do it, so...

Bring it on... :D

Michale
432

You have absolutely NO FACTS to support ANY of your hysterical ranting about Zimmerman..

There was no racism save for Martin's attack on Zimmerman..

Come back and talk to me when you have ANY facts to support your claims..

Any facts at all...

Michale
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The dead man is the criminal and the killer is innocent based on the claims of the killer... and psychics who get caught lying regularly (i.e. long criminal record, "facts", knowing the motivations of a dead kid...) but who offer no apologies for their dishonesty and insist they are right anyway due to the assertions of a killer with a record of violence and racism.

It's perfectly clear.

Of course, given that Zimmerman's violence wasn't just against women, but included an assault on a law enforcement officer, you would think it would be a little more fuzzy even for a lying wingnut due to his supposed vast experience.

ASSAD MUST GO!!!
Barack Obama - 2013

ASSAD can stay as long as he likes
Barack Obama - 2015

Yea... GREAT leadership there.. :^/

Michale
426

Ooooooo Obama just drew another "red line"...

YAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN

Michale
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Trayvon Martin was one of those gun-loving fanatics several Weigantians have condemned on a regular basis...

So why the defense of this thug???

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

I'm just sayin'....

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Michale
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Say Joe Blow is at a bar... He is loud and obnoxious and insults John Smith's wife...

John Smith gets up to defend his wife's honor and get's in Joe Blow's face...

Joe Blow punches John Smith in the face and then John Smith wails into Joe Blow and proceeds to beat the living shit out of Joe Blow...

Joe Blow realizing he is over matched, attempts to disengage from the fight, yelling for help...

No one helps Joe Blow as John Smith proceeds to slam Joe Blow's head against the floor..

Joe Blow, fearing for his life, draws his weapon and fires, killing John Smith instantly...

By the law, that would be ruled justifiable homicide. A "good shoot"...

Textbook case of self-defense...

that said, your assertion that trayvon martin had a criminal record is inaccurate. he was arrested twice at school, but was never charged with a crime. you (and perhaps others in law enforcement) may believe he SHOULD have had a criminal record, but the fact is that he didn't.

He was a criminal.. He became a criminal the instant he attacked an innocent person...

The fact that he was never charged is irrelevant..

that's one fewer arrests and two fewer indictments than zimmerman, who has twice been charged with domestic violence, one of which involved a firearm. what's your counter-argument

None of which has ANY bearing on the case under discussion.. Or, as you saying that Zimmerman should be charged in the Martin shooting because of crimes he WILL commit in the future???

sure, he regularly beats on women "

Michale
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i may not be a legal expert, but i can't imagine that the question of who instigated a fatal event would be irrelevant to one person's culpability for the other person's death.

that said, your assertion that trayvon martin had a criminal record is inaccurate. he was arrested twice at school, but was never charged with a crime. you (and perhaps others in law enforcement) may believe he SHOULD have had a criminal record, but the fact is that he didn't.

that's one fewer arrests and two fewer indictments than zimmerman, who has twice been charged with domestic violence, one of which involved a firearm. what's your counter-argument? sure, he regularly beats on women and pulls out his firearm when he's upset, but hey, at least he's not a "racist?"

JL

That almost sounds like an admission of doubt... or at least CYA.

The "facts" as relayed by Zimmerman sure do keep getting more interesting and believable... or are we back to the psychic eyewitness?

And yes, I know what happens when one makes an assumption.

It makes an ass out of U and Umption.. :D

But seriously, there are no facts at all to support your position that Zimmerman instigated the altercation. Martin was safe at home, but then doubled back to attack Zimmerman..

There are also no facts to support ANY claim of racism on the part of Zimmerman.. Obama's DOJ, who had a LOT of credibility riding on finding an instance of racism dug for months and months and months and came up empty..

There was no racism on the part of Zimmerman. This is established fact...

But, getting back to who instigated the altercation, here's the thing...

It doesn't matter who "stalked" whom.. It doesn't matter who followed who... It doesn't matter who started anything..

The *ONLY* relevant part of this entire incident is the last 10-15 seconds prior to the gun shot...

Those are the ONLY seconds that matter.. And the ONLY question that matters is this:

"Was it reasonable that Zimmerman felt that his life was in danger?"

The answer, from all the available facts and evidence, is clearly YES...

So, you can go on and on about who followed who or who instigated what...

It's ALL irrelevant...

In the eyes of the law, it's the last 10-15 seconds that matter...

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain 'Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

Michale
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We don't KNOW it's an "over-reaction"...

The fact that it IS a major MAJOR step indicates to me that the threat must be big and imminence must be pretty compelling...

Michale
412

This strikes me an EXTREME over-reaction on the part of the Los Angeles school board which may have just set a very, very challenging precedent for cities, big and small, across the nation.

From your lack of follow-up I am going to assume you concede that there are no facts to support your version of the incident and that there are no facts to support any claims of racism..

Case closed. :D

Michale
411

If we don't send out kids to school, the terrorists win... :D

Michale
410

Did you tell them you are a psychic who could determine the "facts" of events you didn't witness?

Or maybe, that you can communicate with dead boys to determine their motivation for choosing to be confronted?

Were they as impressed as we are?

I'm guessing the wingnut media didn't quite manage the same wall to wall "professional" coverage of Zimmerman's racist coming out party?

Michale
405

Projection doesn't erase your comments.

"Race had EVERYTHING to do with Martin's actions"

How revealing.
Yup.
He did it because he's black.

Your true colors on display for all to see.

Once again, dog whistles just weren't good enough and Micha goes full on blatant.

Hysterical Left Wingers are ignoring Dr Martin Luther King's words..

Martin & Brown are innocent victims SOLELY and COMPLETELY because of the color of their skin...

There's a word for that...

It's called racism....

Michale
404

You saw the "facts" with your own eyes...

... by travelling back in time to witness the event?

I appreciate you undermining your own argument by claiming to know what happened by rubbernecking at a crime scene.

And you dare to accuse others of revisionism?

Pathetic.

The wingnuts choosing Zimmerman as their poster child of sound judgment and honesty sure worked out well.
His version of the events just makes so much sense... to every gullible fool.

I also love how you think referring to something completely unrelated to the incident in which Brown was executed somehow bolsters your previous fantasy justifications.
So, now we have two "facts" the officers interestingly didn't know at the time being presented as justification for initiating the confrontation who we are to believe chose it, and the dead victim is the attempted murderer and the murderers are the victims.

Gotcha.

The Zimmerman's with badges... all too common unfortunately.

For those who think that Trayvon Martin (and Michael Brown) were actually the victims..???

Apparently they have forgotten the words of Dr Martin Luther King..

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

For the Left Wingery, Martin and Brown have been judged by the color of their skin, not the content of their character...

Think about it...

Michale
402

In Paris, Climate Change Alarmists Con Everyone, Including Themselves
http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/14/paris-climate-change-alarmists-con-themselves/

It was bound to happen.. Global Warming fanatics have finally succeeded in deluding themselves utterly and completely..

But this begs the question..

Now that Global Warming fanatics have FINALLY solved the Global Warming "problem"..

Does that mean they will shut the frak up about it!??

Michale
401

"I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!!"

"You eat pieces of shit for breakfast??"
-Happy Gilmore

:D

Michale
400

Glad we got that on record.. :D

Michale
399

Neil, it also might interest you to know that the Department Of Homeland Security has released dozens of training aids (videos and stills) to LEO agencies detailing public safety and such..

HUNDREDS of these videos and stills contains images of criminals and terrorists wearing hoodies...

Just thought you might be interested in this little fact..

Michale
398

Micha isn't always wrong.
Silence is assent.

Of course, I didn't miss your recent expressions of frustration with the wingnut, nor do I think you're inured or supportive, but letting that ugly crap slide jumped out at me.

If a new visitor to this site was reading that thread, I think they would have thought wtf? too.

I also think you know better than to insult me like that...

... you know dang well I'm a presumptuous BIG shit.

A

Well, aren't you a jumped-up, presumptuous little shit.

Heh

Michale
397

Actually, Brown DID choose to be confronted as much, if not more, than Martin..

Brown made that choice when he attacked a senior citizen half his size and committed a strong armed robbery..

But why let any facts intrude on your wallowing ignorance...

Michale
396

Want to talk about HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT" now??

:D

Michale
395

You blew it Michale. The "Treyvon deserved it" line might work on the Fox boards, but any reasonable person would look at the situation and ask why Zimmerman engaged when he was specifically told by the dispatcher not to,

Yes, if you rewrite the facts of the instance to suit a political agenda, then yes. That is exactly what happened..

But, of course, the reality is much different..

Let me clue you in..

First off, a police dispatcher has absolutely NO AUTHORITY to tell on-scene security personnel to do ANYTHING.. Zimmerman was well within his rights to tell the police dispatcher to stuff it..

However, the facts clearly show that Zimmerman took the advice of the police dispatcher and broke off pursuit. He was heading back to his vehicle when he was attacked by Martin..

and there was no incitement beyond wearing a hoodie in Zimmerman's patch and being the wrong color.

Spoken like a person truly ignorant of security and LEO duties.. No offense...

"There is no dishonor in not knowing everything."
-Subcommander T'al, STAR TREK

Zimmerman was fully within his rights to attempt to make contact with Martin and ascertain Martin's bona fides.. Even if Zimmerman WASN'T security (Neighborhood Watch) for the complex, he would STILL have been within his rights to approach Martin and ascertain Martin's bona fides..

Also, the facts clearly show that Martin could have been Pink With Purple Polka Dots for all Zimmerman knew at that point...

Race had absolutely NOTHING to do with Zimmerman's actions..

Race had EVERYTHING to do with Martin's actions and the actions of the Left Wingery (and majority of Weigantians) in the aftermath of the incident..

Sanford FL is practically my backyard.. I was at the crime scene and saw the facts with my own eyes..

This is a losing debate for you...

The Left Wingery had their bogus kangaroo trial and the Left Wingery had their asses handed to them..

It's THAT simple...

Michale
394

Very nice!

Well, aren't you a jumped-up, presumptuous little shit.

:-)

Representative Peter Welch is from Vermont, not Virginia as the article originally said. We're sorry for the error, it has been fixed.

Mea culpa, and a hat-tip to Carl Groppe (Twitter @HeyCarl3) for pointing it out.

-CW

Thanks!
You beat me to it.

I would add that Brown didn't choose to be confronted for no cause either, and that attempted murder is likewise wholly unsubstantiated in both cases.

It would seem that Micha wimped out on responding to me after throwing down the gauntlet... maybe he will engage with you?

A

Glad to hear it.
Understatement was a good word choice.

I am certainly sensitive to unsubstantiated and false assertions that don't qualify as even ridiculous arguments. Pretending such drivel is worthy of a respectful response is not for me, nor conducive to a sense of community in my opinion... particularly when ignored. I think that enables the destruction of the community from within.

I get the time constraint argument too, but your continued engagement suggests that wasn't actually in play in this case (nor for Liz).

Always appreciate the response though.

A

You have to keep your sane brain engaged when you are on CW - you can go bananas on Fox boards all you want.

'Hands up, don't shoot' ranked one of biggest 'Pinocchios' of 2015
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hands-up-dont-shoot-false-216736#ixzz3uKjEZJ00

I believe I said that.. Over and over and over again...

Michale
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Martin for a hate-crime based murder and Brown for the murder of a police officer..

So, in THAT context, their names WOULD belong in the Justified Death Penalty column...

Michale
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A petty thief and a teen with a large criminal record, BOTH who attacked innocent people and tried to murder them..

It was their OWN actions that got them killed..

No one forced them into those actions..

It was their choice..

A point you seem to constantly overlook..

i suspect you mentioned them just to get a rise out of some of our blog's more sensitive souls.

Not so much get a rise as generate some discussion...

For several reasons, not the least of which, it's a topic that I can speak with more than a little authority on...

I get lost in all the economic theory discussions so it's nice to be on firmer ground once in a while...

Michale
391

"I have complete confidence in Rahm Emanuel."
-Hillary Clinton

Hmmmmmmmm...... :D

Michale
390

@alto,

i try to keep a moderate and factual tone, no matter how vigorously i disagree. sometimes that means i understate my case, or focus only on the strongest part of my argument. if that somehow comes off as condoning the michael brown incident, or agreeing with the statement that martin and brown "brought misery" to their respective communities, that's not the case.

michale writes all sorts of stuff off the cuff, much of which i disagree with intensely. but this is, after all, the comments section of a blog, and the culture here at CW dot-com is to respond with a modicum of respect for the commenter, no matter how ridiculous one thinks their arguments may be. responding to every single comment would require a lot more free time than i have available. same for liz, i'm sure.

At NO TIME, did I state that Michael Brown's or Trayvon's crimes were justification for the Death Penalty..

@michale,

then why did you throw their names into the mix when the death penalty was the topic of discussion? "deserve to die" vs. "world is better off without" is a pretty narrow distinction, unless you changed the subject without letting anyone else know about it. if we're going to discuss people the world is better off without, a petty thief and a teen with no criminal record would be pretty near the bottom of the list. i suspect you mentioned them just to get a rise out of some of our blog's more sensitive souls.

JL

Your stereotyping is disgusting.
When you say "the world is a better place with them gone" you are condoning unjustified, as you put, executions. There is no strawman when you, not me, lump these young men into a discussion about the death penalty... and the result was the same despite the circumvention of a legal process.
Only in a very troubled mind would anybody recognize a valid "point" in that crap.

Your unsubstantiated assessment that they were "scumbags" who are unworthy of life to try to again justify your filth is just pathetic.

"Had they been arrested for the crimes they committed"?
The police admitted they didn't even know about the petty theft until after Brown was dead, and Martin committed no crime whatsoever... so there was no cause for either to have been arrested. Your admission that the death penalty would have been inappropriate only suggests you actually know how wrong your "point" was from the beginning, and you're too much of a wimp to admit it.
You literally make me sick.

But, my comment wasn't to you.
And when anybody here engages you, they should challenge all the vile nonsense you spew.

Silence is assent as you recently mentioned.

Have at it... :D

But, of course, you CAN'T address the real point I was making... :D

Michale
389

At NO TIME, did I state that Michael Brown's or Trayvon's crimes were justification for the Death Penalty.. In fact, if these two scumbags had lived and been arrested, I would readily agree that the Death Penalty is wholly inappropriate for the crimes they committed..

What I DID state is that this world and our society is a better place without scumbags like Martin and Brown in it...

Now, if you want to address THAT point, the REAL point I was making, rather than invent ludicrous strawman arguments that have nothing to do with the point I was making, by all means..

Have at it... :D

Michale
388

"The world is a better place with the Osama Bin Ladens, the Ted Bundys, the Michael Browns and the Trayvon Martins removed"

nypoet22-I applaud that you challenged Micha on the inclusion of Trayvon Martin in what can only be called beyond wingnuttery, but "not even worthy of an eye-roll" seems a bit mild. I also must ask why Michael Brown's inclusion was left unchallenged.

Neither Martin nor Brown come anywhere near close to fitting your definition of those worthy of the death penalty... (or the "after an exhaustive and redundant investigation" definition Micha offered for that matter)

Both were executed without a trial and before an investigation (both of which were questionable), and neither were, even after the fact, accused of anything close to a capital crime.

"I have seen the kind of misery that the Martins and the Browns bring to society"

And, you let that slide?
Death justified by ugly stereotyping, where the only documented "misery" they "bring to society" in one case amounted to petty theft and the other simply walking down the street?

Liz- you were participating in that conversation and you say nothing?

I know Micha is hopeless, but I've come to expect more from both of you.
Actually, much more.

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Yea... No nepotism or quid-pro-quo in Hillary's State Department, eh??

Isn't this something ya'all savage the Republicans about??

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Cops in Missouri are reporting that several middle eastern men (ACK!!! PROFILING!!!! :D) have purchased over 200 cheap cell phones have been purchased in area Wal Marts over a span of two days..

In the same area almost 50 propane tanks have been stolen..

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I know.. And me being such a Clint Eastwood fan!!

I'll see about rectifying this egregious oversite..

:D

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Minting fresh new Democrat Voters...

The backlash is going to be horrendous...

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Ah, you mean just this side of never ... :)

That is you there, ain't it Bob? the Duck of Death?

as soon as they can live there without their lives being in danger on a daily basis?

.ulp... Now ya gone and done it!! :D

Now you've done it.
Now you've done it!
THAT's for making me come to Mars!
You know how much I hate this F*ing planet!
~total recall

Yea.. France was one of those "humane" countries..

And what did their humanity get them???

Over 470 innocents brutally killed and wounded...

I'll ask again for the upteenth time...

WHAT is so wrong about insuring the safety and well-being on one's own citizens??

It's JOB ONE of every civilized government on the face of the planet!

I know it's true because it's exactly what YA'ALL would be saying if we had a GOP Administration...

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..ulp... Now ya gone and done it!! :D

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No, not forever..

Just long enough to make sure they are not a threat..

What's so wrong with that???

NO ONE has been able to answer that one simple question...

I hope you also realize that Syrian refugees have already entered my country and will continue to do so at a pretty good clip. Are you equally worried about terrorists among them crossing your northern border?

Even more so than the Southern Border...

And, finally, you should know that you already have terrorists roaming about in each and every state in your union and many of them were born in America. This is the real problem you need to focus on and your prescription for Muslim immigrants/refugees/visitors (I'm assuming you're on board with the Trump plan) only makes that particular situation far worse than it may be otherwise.

What you call the "Trump Plan" was also the "Jimmy Carter Plan" and the "FDR Plan...

EVERY President during wartime and times of national emergency has limited immigration based on possible enemy infiltration..

But, of course, since it's a person that has a '-R' after their name, all of the sudden, it's mass hysteria....

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That's already been done...

That's kinda been my point that no one has addressed.. Syrian refugees are in safe areas in Hungary and Turkey... There is no immediacy to their need to be resettled...

Except, of course, for the fact that Democrats need to mint fresh new Democrat Voters..

if we're talking about immigrants, it needs to be handled on a case by case basis. either way, i wouldn't want someone denying me entry solely based on my religion.

Except such religion based criteria is CODIFIED in US law...

But, since we have an Administration who treats the law as something to get around...... Well.....

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Ha! Define soon.

Why, yes, there is such a place! It's called Canada and other humane countries around the world.