Thanx!! I'll definitely have to check those out...

And, as I am wont to do...

"WELCOME TO THE PARTY, PAL!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

Don't worry.. You get used to it.. :D

Michale

Seems our favorite immature morons are whining and complaining the Paris terrorist attacks that killed and wounded over 470 innocent people have stolen their 15 mins of fame...

What happens if your army of hate-filled crazies gets upstaged by another army of hate-filled crazies? Apparently you go nuts—ideally in pubic. At least that’s what the racialists of Black Lives Matter movement did when ISIS terrorists in Paris went on a killing spree last Friday.

Rather than sympathize with those were actually oppressed in Paris by rampaging jihadists, Black Lives Matter aficionados took to Twitter with the hashtag, “#FUCKParis.” Such was the degree of upset that an attack on a NATO ally might temporarily distract the stream of liberal politicians pandering to the cop-hating Black Lives Matter movement.

Yep.. That's a Democrat group, through and through...

Aren't ya'all so proud?? :^/

Michale

Within a week, Obama is going to announce the suspension of the Syrian refugee program..

Michale

And where will they be until they are "documented properly"??

Or is Obama just going to pass out documents to anyone who wants them in their native countries??

Yea, yer right. I wouldn't put it past him to do that..

Gotta mint those fresh new Democrat voters by any means necessary..

Hmmm, I guess you never heard of federalizing the National Guard? If segregationist southern governors could not stop integration, how do you think modern governors are going to stop bus loads of refugees?

Murrieta, CA...

'nuff said..

Michale

"If these people are not documented properly, you bet yer ass there is something the Governor can do.."

You just answered your own question Michale. And if they ARE documented properly??? Then there is squat they can do....

"How is Obama going to FORCE states to take in undocumented refugees??"

Hmmm, I guess you never heard of federalizing the National Guard? If segregationist southern governors could not stop integration, how do you think modern governors are going to stop bus loads of refugees? They could not even stop refugees being distributed among the various states in the 1980's from Cuba. Or do you not remember the Mariel boat lift and Chrome detention center, etc,?

And yes.. it's a LOT more bi-partisan than TrainWreckCare ever was...

Michale

Bull...

If these people are not documented properly, you bet yer ass there is something the Governor can do..

So those governors can bluster all they want, but in they are totally powerless to do anything about it.

You want to bet???

How is Obama going to FORCE states to take in undocumented refugees??

Tell ya what.. Why not house ALL of the refugees at the White House??

You have a problem with that??

Thought so...

Michale

You were saying something about Governors "trying" to stop Syrian refugees???
"That number is up to 23 state Governors, both Republican AND DEMOCRAT governors... Something you fail to acknowledge...
Almost half the states in the country are closing their doors...
"Trying" my ass.. :D"

22 Republican governors and only ONE Democratic governor (New Hampshire) is hardly the bi-partisan revolt that you are trying to make it seem. Also, there is not ONE thing ANY of those governor's can do about stopping people from taking up residence in their state that would NOT be unconstitutional. So those governors can bluster all they want, but in they are totally powerless to do anything about it. About all they can do is deny state government funding but that's all. They can't stop the people from coming in and they can't stop the federal government. Only Congress might be able to do that.

But the discrimination against christians with regards to refugee status is completely understandable..

As you state, christians are usually reliable GOP voters...

It's also well-documented that muslims vote Democrat....

So, the FACT that the Obama administration is admitting muslim refugees over christian refugees by a factor of 20 to 1 is simply more evidence that Obama and the Democrats are minting fresh new Dem voters....

Michale

3.) I would point out that a good number of the refugees are not Islamic but are in fact Christian Arabs fleeing areas falling under ISIS Islamic control. Conservative Christians are just as likely to end up voting Republican.

Sorry, JM.. I gotz to call BULLSHIT on that..

So Far: Syrian Refugees in U.S. Include 2,098 Muslims, 53 Christians
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/syrian-christians-are-greatest-peril-least-likely-be-admitted

Michale

That's our POTUS...

Always behind the curve when it comes to what the majority of Americans want...

Michale

That number is up to 23 state Governors, both Republican AND DEMOCRAT governors... Something you fail to acknowledge...

Almost half the states in the country are closing their doors...

"Trying" my ass.. :D

Michale

Ain't no "TRYING" about it, sugar.. :D They are doing it..

and conservatives are twisting the President's comments today

Ain't no "TWISTING" either.. Just stating the facts. Something you apparently have an issue with.. :D

I will be interested in hearing what Hillary and Bernie have to say and will be doing a lot of reading on the subject.

They can't even admit who the enemy is... They are completely useless in the issue..

Of course anything Michale suggests we should do the opposite of.

Yea, cause that's worked SO WELL to date, eh??

Doing the opposite of what Michale suggests is why there are over 470 dead and wounded in Paris, sweethart...

But, by all means.. Continue to advocate letting innocent men, women and children die...

Michale

Agreed. :)

Sadly, all the warmongers are salivating again and all the "all Muslims are Terrorists" idiots are spraying spittle again and conservatives are running around celebrating Republican Governors trying to refuse Syrian refugees and conservatives are twisting the President's comments today because they can never tell the truth when a lie will gin up hysteria.

So, keeping in mind that Conservatives have nothing useful to offer and everything they say will be stupid, counter-productive, bloodthirsty and xenophobic, the real question is what do the thinking-people on the planet do? Certainly there needs to be a recognition, as you point out, that the planet needs to unite on this -- and, as I had mentioned in the earlier post -- we need to follow the money. Charles Pierce had another column up noting that Anonymous has been shutting down ISIS websites today -- good for them. We've already seen that sheer military might mostly wastes money, kills innocent people and helps ISIS recruit. It ISN'T the answer. It may have it's place, but it isn't, by itself, the answer.

Of course anything Michale suggests we should do the opposite of.

I'll be interested to see what John Kerry has to say. I hope the President will stick to his position of not-being-a-knee-jerk-idiot since the cry for stupidity will be as loud as republicans can make it (inbetween their whimpers about meanie reporters asking them to explain their tax plans).

I will be interested in hearing what Hillary and Bernie have to say and will be doing a lot of reading on the subject.

“I read the intelligence faithfully. ISIL is not contained. ISIL is expanding. They just put out a video saying it is their intent to attack this country. I think we have to be prepared.”
-Senator Dianne Feinstein

Our POTUS...

Doesn't know National Security from his ass.. :^/

Michale

They think, "Oh just give them hope and change and love and they will quit being terrorists.."

Madonna Wrong To Think Terrorists Will Stop By Giving Them “Dignity And Respect” And “Love Unconditionally”
http://www.gossipcop.com/madonna-paris-attacks-terrorists-dignity-respect-isis-love-unconditionally-video/

That's the Left Wingery mindset and it's THAT mind-set that gets people killed..

Terrorists are animals.. Pure and simple...

Once you develop THAT mind-set... The mind-set that reflects reality....

Dealing with them effectively is easy...

Do you "reason" with a great white shark?? Do you "reason" with a rabid bear??

No... You put them down as quickly and efficiently as possible..

It's simple...

Michale

No... The most important thing we are learning is that, 14 years after 9/11, the citizens of liberal countries cannot summon the will to allow their government to do what is necessary to collectively and effectively reduce the threat of terrorism..

Bush tried... And look what it got him...

Michale

Who called it???

Michale

Worse than that, what they have done - over the last many years and over the last few days - has only made the situation much more difficult to effectively deal with.

One thing is for sure, if governments the world over had responded more collectively and effectively to the threat of terrorism, that threat would be greatly reduced today, if not essentially eliminated.

Over 470 killed and wounded in the Paris terrorist attacks..

According to Obama, that's a "setback"...

Yea... OK.... :^/

Michale

Charlie Sheen has AIDS and Hillary Clinton suffers from senility....

Michale

If you simply dismiss arguments out of hand with no substantiation, then yes.. I agree..

We can't have an enlightened discussion.. :D

So, by all means...

Enlighten me... :D

The Left wants less border controls...

Less border control is anathema to security...

Michale

The problem is, the Left refuses to draw the proper conclusions from the Paris terrorist attacks..

No, actually that is not the problem. Nor is your claim that borders are not already protected. But, it does point up why we can't have an enlightened discussion.

The problem is, the Left refuses to draw the proper conclusions from the Paris terrorist attacks..

Because the proper conclusions lays bare the folly, the DANGEROUS folly, of the Left's minting-fresh-new-voters agenda...

Michale

ISIS Paris attacks are merely a trial run for the attacks in the US...

You heard it here first...

Michale

Yes, it's inevitable.. That doesn't mean that governments are required to ASSIST the terrorists in the killing of the nation's own citizens...

The question to be pondered is what to do about that?

One solution is to control borders..

What is so evil about that???

The answers are not easy but I don't think any world leader is currently acting in ways that come close to providing answers.

As the Paris attacks completely and utterly prove...

But the Left's idea of open borders is, apparently, not the solution..

Michale

Is this about right?

That's about right from the Left's point of view..

The Right sees it a bit different..

What makes the Left right and the Right wrong?

3) Liberals ask if there are other options. Why not teach baby Hitler some other skills, for example?

Does the Left Wingery REALLY want to talk about the alternatives to killing babies??

REALLY???

I call BS.

You can call BS all you want... But the claim WAS made...

Do you want to ask Parisians how they feel about the claim??

If you're a terrorist, there's much easier ways to get into the U.S. Like hop on a plane.

Yes.. If you are A terrorist.. Which goes to the value of Obama's air security program, but that's another discussion..

But if you are HUNDREDS of terrorists.. Or THOUSANDS of terrorists..

The easiest way to get to the US is to pretend to be downtrodden, poor and persecuted.. The saps in the US eat that shit up...

The refugees are the people fleeing the terrorists.

Are you willing to bet your life on that?? The lives of your friends and family??

Fine.. Then invite them to stay with you...

But we get it, Michale. You don't like fur'eigners.

Naw, I just don't like terrorists and criminals...

There's a difference, don'tcha know... :D

Michale

I call BS.

If you're a terrorist, there's much easier ways to get into the U.S. Like hop on a plane.

The refugees are the people fleeing the terrorists.

But we get it, Michale. You don't like fur'eigners.

-David

I don't think anyone is ignoring the fact that terrorists will inevitably gain entrance into Europe and America via the refugee route, if not by any number of other means.

The question to be pondered is what to do about that?

The answers are not easy but I don't think any world leader is currently acting in ways that come close to providing answers.

1) Democrats: Is the most qualified to run the country.
2) Republicans: Says the most outrageous things about liberals.

Is this about right?

Strangely, I think the time travel question about baby Hitler says everything you need to know about politics.

1) Conservatives say they kill baby Hitler.
2) Conservatives think liberals are weak for not having the gumption to kill baby Hitler.
3) Liberals ask if there are other options. Why not teach baby Hitler some other skills, for example?
4) News media rakes it in from the controversy.
5) News media faces zero criticism for a leading question with only 2 ridiculous moral choices. Kill a baby or you're responsible for the holocaust.

This is the way our media operates daily. It does this because the corporate media isn't really news; it's marketing. And one of the easiest ways to try to get people to do what you want it to give them only two choices: one that looks "good" and one that looks "evil."

-David

Denial, global warming and the slaughter in Paris

What will the White House say caused the terrorist massacre in Paris? Will it be lack of job opportunities for an at-risk population? Will it be outrage over an offensive Youtube video? Or maybe we are starting to see the practical national security effects of global warming? Whatever the administration says was the cause, they will never blame radical Islam, and that is why we cannot win the war.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/11/14/denial-global-warming-paris-terrorism-column/75780112/

And yet, it's the Left Wingers who are in denial and who are the deniers..

And THEIR denial is costing people their lives...

Michale

Who wants to be the one to ignore that??

Sure as hell not me...

Michale

Have fun... :D

Michale

The offshoots that says it's perfectly acceptable to behead people ya don't agree with or who piss you off... :D

Michale

I agree...

However, it is WORSE to IGNORE the violence that certain offshoots of Islam represents..

As Paris has certainly indicated...

Michale

You nailed it, Liz when you said "violent Islamist extremism" ... But the vast majority of the Left Wingery is simply incapable of putting any form of ISLAM in the same sentence with extremism or terrorism..

We need to recognize, I think, that Islamist and Islam are not the same animals. This needs to be made clear by Sunni and Shi'a leaders throughout the Middle East and beyond.

It is a grave mistake and dangerously counterproductive to equate Islam with violent Islamist extremism.

You nailed it, Liz when you said "violent Islamist extremism"

But the vast majority of the Left Wingery is simply incapable of putting any form of ISLAM in the same sentence with extremism or terrorism..

How can one fight or combat a problem unless they actually RECOGNIZE the problem??

More importantly, and no matter what the civilized world outside of the Middle East does to help solve this problem, there can be no real progress without effective leadership from the regional powers, leadership that has up to now been seriously lacking, from Saudi Arabia to Turkey.

That's because the region's leaders for all intents and purposes are still stuck in the Dark Ages...

Like I have always said... Islam is where christianity was a thousand years ago... Brutal.. Barbaric.. Uncivilized..

Michale

You make a very good point and your post is an excellent starting point for a real discussion about what can be done to stop violent Islamist extremism and the nihilistic ideology that underpins it.

First, there needs to be consensus over what we call this scourge on the global community and, frankly, I'm not sure what that is. But, the civilized world needs to come together on this fundamental first step of accurately naming the problem, it seems to me.

More importantly, and no matter what the civilized world outside of the Middle East does to help solve this problem, there can be no real progress without effective leadership from the regional powers, leadership that has up to now been seriously lacking, from Saudi Arabia to Turkey.

9/11

Hay Hillary...

Rudy called...

He wants his slogan back..

Michale

"Since we last debated in Las Vegas, nearly 3,000 people have been killed by guns. Two hundred children have been killed. This is an emergency." She said that in the same period there have been 21 mass shootings, "including one last weekend in Des Moines where three were murdered."
-Hillary Clinton

Bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit....

Closer to 2000 people have been killed by guns since the last Dem debate.. Including a vast number of legitimate self-defense deaths, justified police shootings etc etc etc...

Less than 70 under the age of 18 have been killed by guns...

21 mass shootings??

Try ONE... The Des Moines shooting that Hillary cited... Which is one less death than what would qualify the incident for a crowd-based mass shooting...

Funny how fact checking is only important with GOP debates, eh?? :^/

Michale

I have to admit I am on the fence over this assessment..

Logically speaking, it's a rational assessment of the possibility..

But my gut tells me that gun control has little to do with the success of the attack...

Sorry, Donald.. Gotta call ya wrong on this...

Michale

With his usual killer comedy timing, the "leader of the free world" told George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning, America" this very morning that he'd "contained" ISIS and that they're not "gaining strength". A few hours later, a cell whose members claim to have been recruited by ISIS slaughtered over 150 people in the heart of Paris and succeeded in getting two suicide bombers and a third bomb to within a few yards of the French president.
http://www.steynonline.com/7293/the-barbarians-are-inside-and-there-are-no-gates

Ya'all can create your "safe spaces" and go on and on about money-trails, innocent Muslims, catastrophic Global Warming/Climate Change/Climate Disruption and what the definition of 'is' is until the cows come home..

And while ya'all are having these grand conversations while your heads are firmly in the sand, more innocent men, women and children will continue to be slaughtered by extremists who don't give a rat's ass about your "safe spaces" and your hurt feelings...

This is the reality of the world in the here and now...

Michale

And let's not forget who has been "bombing innocent civilians" by the thousands...

Bush???

Nope.. Ya'all's own Messiah, President Obama....

In other words, ALL of you are supporting the bombing of innocent civilians....

Ya'all own it...

Kinda puts things in perspective, eh? :D

Michale

Yea, I know what happens when one makes an assumption..

It makes an ass of of 'U' and 'umption'... :D

I'll save the debate until the end of the month.. :D

Michale

The Democrat Party is the Party of old white people... :D

Michale

Her justification for being bought and paid for??

9/11

:^/

Michale

Lawsuits and tea time won't end terrorism either.. :^/

The point is not about ending terrorism..

The point is to make sure there are less terrorists..

You don't do that with lawsuits...

The reality of the here and now is that sometimes force must be applied..

Michale

Apparently it is rich elites in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and United Arab Emirates who fund these groups and we should be going after their money, not the citizens of these countries who are continually caught between warring extremists.

I don't know a lot about this topic so don't feel equipped to debate it, but I do know that the knee-jerk response I've seen by lots of people -- the "blame all Muslims, blame the Syrian refugees" rhetoric -- strikes me as simple-minded, nasty and counter-productive. No amount of bombing innocent civilians can prevent a handful of determined people from blowing themselves up and taking a restaurant with them if they want to. More warring won't end terrorism. Following the money strikes me as a more effective approach.

My take: all 3 candidates performed well, MO was most improved. Most genuine goes to Bernie. A 3 way draw more or less. Bernie seems to be pushing HC a bit more towards the base and a bit away from corporate Democrats. HC should write Bernie a nice note: "thanks for helping me triangulate."

I was calling it an ISIS op at 0200hrs this morning...

It's Benghazi all over again...

Michale

Yea, the romance was, by today's standards, just icky...

Even at the time, it was weird...

Get your facts right. Obama said 10,000. Not "tens of thousands."

The exact number is not the issue...

The Paris attacks were carried out by some Syrian "refugees"..

That should ring some bells in the administration..

On another note..

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/sanders-aide-pushes-back-against-cbs-switch-to-215805298.html

Seems like Bernie is afraid to talk counter-terrorism...

Gee.. I wonder why....

Micale

Yeah, "Door Into Summer" is pretty cool, aside from the romance, how can you not love a story with a time-traveling cat? Arriving in a nudist resort was a nice touch, too.

"By His Bootstraps" is another good one (short story), although not as good as "All You Zombies."

The Stig [40] -

Yeah, my wife pointed this out too. Sinjar, the crucial highway to Mosul, and a coordinated (and successful) push in Syria by the Kurds all had to hurt ISIS's image.

Michale [43] -

Get your facts right. Obama said 10,000. Not "tens of thousands."

-CW

thanks to HuffPost commenter Alain Efstratiou for pointing the error out...

-CW

Correction -- "Medicare" has been changed to "Medicaid" in TP#5.

Mea culpa.

-CW

And yet, there is a proven and definitive link between the Syrian refugees and the attacks..

I am not saying that this wasn't a planned attack. It obviously was...

I am just saying that it takes more than a single email to plan it...

Michale

Not at all. Meticulous planning means you have multiple plans regularly updated, to deal with multiple contingencies, including which venue is packed on the day you get the nod to kill. This is very basic tradecraft and easier than ever with ubiquitous, modern electronic devices.

Ain't THAT the frakin' truth!!

The entire sorry episode can be summed up like this...

"Waaaaaa Waaaaaaa My feelings have been hurt!!!"

Those little cry babies are in for a rude awakening when they exit their sheltered existence and have a big heaping dose of reality....

There are no "safe zones" in the work place, little kids.. You have to sink or swim with no one there to wipe yer snot nose...

Michale

Obama "doesn't want to speculate who is behind the Paris attacks.."

That right there should tell you something..

I was calling it an ISIS op at 0200hrs this morning...

Maybe Obama should hire me as his Intel chief, eh?? :^/

Jeezus H Chreest!!!

Michale

They are one and the same.

THAT's the point you miss...

And you miss it solely and completely for partisan agenda-based reasons...

Michale

And, if Obama had made that distinction, you would have a point..

But he didn't, so you don't..

ISIS is a terrorist organization. It is NOT a sovereign nation... You can't say, "Oh, we contained ISIS, the Nation, but cannot contain ISIS, the Terrorist Group."

They are one and the same.. And either it's contained or it is not..

Obviously it's not..

Once again, it's simple..

Obama thought he would take a victory lap and it came back to bite him on the ass...

Just like Berghdal...

Denying it just makes it look all the more pathetic..

Michale

"I know, I know.. Obama said that ISIS is "contained" and that's good enough for you..."

Also, I would like to point out that there is an ocean wide difference between "containing" ISIS or anyone else as a military force occupying territory on the ground, and acts of terrorism. Terrorism by definition can never be "contained."

From September 9th of this year:

"South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham became the first Republican presidential candidate to call on the United States to admit more Syrian refugees on Tuesday. Marco Rubio, another Republican presidential contender, told reporters on Tuesday he is “open” to allowing more refugees into the United States – reiterating an answer he first provided in a radio interview on Monday. The senator (Rubio) first addressed the situation in an interview Sunday with the Boston Herald Radio and expressed particular concern for Syrian Christians who have been displaced by the ongoing civil war."

Granted, you provide some circumstantial evidence.. But even that shows the numbers of christians within the Syrian refugees (even if there are christians) are quite small compared to the overall numbers..

Why do you have a problem with admitting that ISIS is a grave threat??

I know, I know.. Obama said that ISIS is "contained" and that's good enough for you...

But, jeeeze....

Michale

"I would point out that a good number of the refugees are not Islamic but are in fact Christian Arabs fleeing areas falling under ISIS Islamic control.

Cite your evidence..."

Here are but two examples:

From August 2014, CNN report:

Iraq's largest Christian town has been overrun by the same militant Islamists who have gained a foothold in parts of eastern Syria and western and northern Iraq.
The latest advance by ISIS (or the Islamic State, formerly known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) has caused thousands of Christians in the city to flee, just as other minority groups targeted by ISIS have done, as well as Shiite Muslims.
The French government confirmed that the Iraqi city of Qaraqosh has fallen into the hands of the militant al Qaeda offshoot.
"France is highly concerned about the latest progress of ISIS in the North of Iraq and by the taking of Qaraqosh, the largest Christian city of Iraq, and the horrible acts of violence that are committed," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement.

From November 2015, The Christian Post Report:

The Islamic State terror group has captured the Syrian town of Maheen in the central Homs Province, reports have said, and is now advancing toward the nearby town of Sadad, which is home to nearly 15,000 Syriac Orthodox Christians.

BBC News reported that the terror group, which has captured significant territory across Syria and Iraq, has been focusing on expanding from its mainly northern and eastern strongholds toward Homs in central Syria in recent months.

And yes.. I realize how royally frak'ed up that is..

But it IS the reality of the here and now...

Michale

Terrorist attacks favor the Republican Party...

Because no American trusts the Democrat Party to keep them safe...

Michale

1.) That after years in this country, they would become citizens eligible to vote, and would in fact vote.

The idea that Democrats would wait until they are citizens is the shaky assumption..

2.) That they would vote Democratic in great enough numbers to make any difference, and would not vote Republican.

Yea, because it was the Republicans who welcomed them with open arms and gives them all free stuff.. :D

Remember.. I was born AT night. Not LAST night.. :D

I would point out that a good number of the refugees are not Islamic but are in fact Christian Arabs fleeing areas falling under ISIS Islamic control.

Cite your evidence...

Michale

"Obama wants to bring tens of thousands of Syrian refugees into the United States..

Do you HONESTLY believe that Obama is doing this out of the goodness of his heart??"

That rests on two very shaky assumptions.

1.) That after years in this country, they would become citizens eligible to vote, and would in fact vote.

2.) That they would vote Democratic in great enough numbers to make any difference, and would not vote Republican.

3.) I would point out that a good number of the refugees are not Islamic but are in fact Christian Arabs fleeing areas falling under ISIS Islamic control. Conservative Christians are just as likely to end up voting Republican.

Simple..

Obama wants to bring tens of thousands of Syrian refugees into the United States..

Do you HONESTLY believe that Obama is doing this out of the goodness of his heart??

Michale

This would seem to contradict the idea that this was a meticulously planned attack....

Michale

I don't know how much more evidence ya'all need.....

Michale

I find the timing of the Paris attacks interesting....ISIS (or whatever we are calling it these days) just suffered a major defeat at Sinjar and in contrast to earlier defensive battles, did not put up much of a fight.

From the NYT:

"In the hours before the taking of the city, P.K.K. and pesh merga officials said, they intercepted radio traffic from the Islamic State fighters suggesting that their forces were deserting. They said they had heard the voice of an Islamic State leader berating his fighters, warning that deserters would be beheaded."

The widely reported killing of "Jihadi John" was another negative news story about ISIS.

The Paris attacks may well have been an attempt to redirect the bad news cycle... ISIS defends its brand by showing it can kill civilians in Europe. It's reasonable to believe sleeper cells in Paris (and elsewhere) case multiple targets of opportunity. All ISIS leadership had to do was drop a coded E-mail giving the go ahead to hit something big.

"You are desperately trying to deflect the blame away from refugees so as to protect Obama's minting fresh new Democrat voters program.."

I don't know how you got from terrorists in Paris to Obama vote rigging in America...that sounds like the kind of leap that FOX News is more worthy of...but ok.

It's tough being right all the time...

"Regardless of that, a thousand disorganized terrorists is the much larger threat.. especially if disorganized wanton indiscriminate violence is the objective..."

True enough. I will concede you have a point. But the Paris attacks have every indication of being the exact opposite. Of being a well considered, planned and highly organized attack by a disciplined group, still bent on indiscriminate violence though. Besides, there is no evidence and never has been, of the refugees being anything other than refugees, let alone containing thousands of terrorists among their number.

You are desperately trying to deflect the blame away from refugees so as to protect Obama's minting fresh new Democrat voters program..

I am more than willing to wait and see who is right..

But several of the attackers are Syrian refugees that got to France by way of Greece...

It's a refugee problem... Not a local national problem..

Michale

You, of course, assume that the refugees are "poorly disorganized" and have no "established contacts"...

A CT professional, on the other hand, would acknowledge the possibility that such is not the case..

Regardless of that, a thousand disorganized terrorists is the much larger threat.. especially if disorganized wanton indiscriminate violence is the objective...

Michale

The idealistic concept of Better 100 guilty men go free rather than one innocent man be detained loses some of it's luster and appeal when one or one's loved ones are facing the business end of an terrorist's AK-47 or suicide vest...

Michale

"Yes.. "hundreds" of local nationals..

VS

tens of thousands of refugees..

The math is simple..."

Yes it is. Battle hardened and radicalized hundreds with legitimate passports flying in under the radar and who already intimately know the country and can blend in with already established friends and family are far more of a threat than poorly disorganized refugees in unfamiliar territory with no established contacts. Tell me who is more likely to take part in a sophisticated logistical operation requiring precision timing and access to weapons and support and planning under the noses of French security akin to our FBI and CIA?

Thanx, RD...

Al Qaeda has become more targeted in it's terrorist attacks.. The Hedbo attack was a prime example of that.. While AQ's concept of "guilty" is totally whacked, they have strayed away from random mass killings... Their attacks are more targeted and specific these days..

Once I got some details of the attacks thru various sources, the indiscriminate nature, the mass violence and casualties, I knew it was an ISIS attack...

Michale

Someone with your ethical challenges and reading comprehension difficulties would indeed believe my comment was blaming Obama.

On the other hand, regular people would recognize that giving US taxpayer funded weapons to the terrorist group that attacked us on 9/11 and numerous other times, and claimed responsibility for the previous attack in Paris...

... in order to effect regime change in a country that is not responsible for any of those terror attacks and posed no threat to America...

... is simply insane.

Now, if ISIS is responsible as they supposedly claim, and if they used the refugee crisis to infiltrate militants into Europe, it would absolutely be fair to lay some blame on both Obama and Hollande... because our foolish regime change effort in Syria using terrorists as proxies is absolutely the major cause of the flood of refugees.

We also bear blame for looking the other way while our "allies" supported the militants who would become ISIS, and of course for the foolish war in Iraq that created the conditions for the rise of ISIS... and by "we", I specifically mean ALL the neolibcons... most Republicans and many Dems including Bush, Hillary and Obama too... who have been making US foreign policy for decades... not to mention all their defenders (ahem).

But, that isn't what I was talking about in my original comment... which was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the leaders lamenting terrorism while funding and arming terrorists.

As you can see though, I have no problem assigning blame when the blame has been earned.

A

Those who are tasked with the safety and security of nations do not have the luxury of political correctness...

People die while those of lesser minds concern themselves with feelings..

It has been well known for a long time now that there are hundreds of French, British, American etc. citizens who have run off to fight with ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and that eventually a lot of them will try to return home.

Yes.. "hundreds" of local nationals..

VS

tens of thousands of refugees..

The math is simple...

Michale

Oh, it was definitely an ISIS op....

Looks like you were right: Islamic State Claims Responsibility For Deadly Paris Attacks

"It's being reported that several of the Paris attackers were registered Syrian refugees..."

It has also been reported that two of the attackers had fake Syrian and I believe Saudi Arabian passports.

But why rush to demonize refugees until all the facts are in?

It has been well known for a long time now that there are hundreds of French, British, American etc. citizens who have run off to fight with ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and that eventually a lot of them will try to return home.

In fact, I believe one of the attackers has also already been mentioned as being a French national.

WOW....

The spoiled little brats at Yale and MU are complaining that the Paris terrorist attacks are stealing their limelight...

The Democrat Party... In all it's "glory".... :^/

Silence gives assent...

Michale

Michale

When we see an attack here in the US from ISIS, you can bet that Obama's plan to mint millions of fresh new Democrat voters will hit a HUGE brick wall..

I would hate to be a Democrat when the attacks come.. Because you can bet that the American people en masse blame the Democrat Party...

Michale

"Dogs Barking Can't Fly Home Without Umbrella"
-Jumpin' Jack Flash

:D

Michale

Ever read Heinlein's DOOR INTO SUMMER...

Has Time Travel AND Cryogenics!! :D

But the romance subplot is highly unbelievable... Have to wonder how Heinlein could come up with something so.... weird...

Michale