Unlike what you claim about Repubs, I actually rip on Dems constantly... you don't have to look far to find it... in fact, you still owe me the apology you weaseled out of dealing with this very subject. I've said it before, but lying to cover your lies gets you nowhere... the nowhere where nobody will believe anything you write. Once a liar, always a liar.

But you're still trying to change the subject away from the internal Repub fight led by Repubs against Repubs... trollery that exposes your inability to defend those engaged in a circular firing squad.

Back to lying about the truther thing too?
If that's all you've got against the policies supported by huge majorities of Americans, you may be in for a rude awakening.

Your blatant dishonesty is typical of your ilk, but it's a horrible example of LEO's in this country... they wouldn't want anything to do with even a former one like you with such little integrity... or at least one stupid enough not to care about getting caught repeatedly.

Pathetic as always.

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Sanders has as much chance of being elected POTUS as Trump does..

But it doesn't surprise me that you support Sanders.. He is probably a Truther too.. :D

Michale

Department Of Homeland Security is investigating why someone from the DHS posted the Wiki..

I realize in your world Democrats are as pure as the driven snow and Republicans are evil terrorists..

Here in the real world, the facts are quite different..

But hay.. Who am I to rip apart your fantasies. :D

Michale

(I humbly accept the nomination) that is.

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A Repub is gloating about sending the email about McCarthy and you are back to whataboutery trying to finger Dems?

Did you notice all the "centrist" Dems jumping at that bi-partisan commission to select the new Speaker idea? How about all the openly right wingers? How about all the Repubs in general?
Nope, nobody has noticed because the support just doesn't exist.
Sometimes bad ideas are just bad ideas, and the lack of enthusiasm for them says nothing at all about the ideology of the unenthused. And, since pretty much all the ideas you support are bad ideas, the lack of enthusiasm for you and those ideas is shared broadly across much of the political spectrum.

But, since you made me the spokesperson for the Left here (I humble accept the nomination), my first announcement is that only delusional wingnut trolls are ignorant enough to conflate the Left with the Democratic party.

We do however hope to expand on the little bit of influence we have maintained on them to include economic and foreign policy in the near future.
As our ideas are broadly popular across the political spectrum, we further hope to regain national influence beyond the party structure.

For example-
- 75% of Americans support expanding Social Security benefits so seniors can meet their basic needs
- 71% of Americans support free higher educations for ALL qualified students
- 61% of Americans support breaking up the Too Big To Fail banks

For further examples and other broadly popular policies and how to achieve them, please visit the website of Bernie Sanders... and/or check back here for further announcements.

Thank you

altohone

It was meant in the spirit of this CW commentary..

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/27/embracing-bigotry/

My apologies if anyone (mostly) was offended.. :D

Michale

This assumes a level of intelligence not proven in your run o the mill political bigot...

I mean, seriously... How much "intelligence" can you expect from political bigots who refer to political opponents as "terrorists" **SOLELY** because of political differences??

I axe ya....

Michale

Grrrrrr

But to actually have a debate, one must first concede that they MIGHT be wrong and that their OPPONENT MIGHT be right...

Michale

Why would you assume a Democrat put the offending edit into WikiP? Do IP addresses include party affiliation? I don't think they do. Is the Pentagon staffed exclusively by Democrats? Not likely. Do people ever sneak onto a coworkers computer? Just possibly.

Who benefits by a messed up Republican Party???

Only one suspect...

If you want/need validation, try a Republican blog.

BTDT.. I got kicked out because I defended Democrats too much.. Plus I committed the most cardinal sin of all.

I voted for Obama.. :D

On the other hand, if you want actual debate, well CW.com is the place.

One would think so..

Yet, all we hear...

GOP EVIL TERRORISTS

DEMOCRAT PARTY AS PURE AS THE DRIVEN SNOW

Now if you want to call that "actual debate", well......

The only debate around here is, is Obama awesome or really REALLY awesome..

Are the GOP terrorists??? or really EVIL terrorists??

Again, I don't consider that actual debate...

Actual debate BEGINS at "Maybe Democrats ARE frak'ed" rather than "Democrats... PERFECT.. NOW let's debate"...

Credit where credit is due.. You (and a couple like you) come closer than anyone else...

But to actually have a debate, one must first concede that they MIGHT be wrong and that their open MIGHT be right...

Anything less isn't debate... It's preaching...

But it's the bear I must cross.... Or something like that. :D

Michale

You want more distraction? Glad to oblige.

Why would you assume a Democrat put the offending edit into WikiP? Do IP addresses include party affiliation? I don't think they do. Is the Pentagon staffed exclusively by Democrats? Not likely. Do people ever sneak onto a coworkers computer? Just possibly.

Did the Wiki edit make members of the House o' Reps cry? Not likely.

But enough distractions.

Just use some common sense. If you want to start an effective smear campaign, which approach is going be more effective? Plan A: Put an obscure reference into WikiP and hope somebody in Congress stumbles over it. Plan B: just send an E-mail directly to the Representative you are trying to influence. Would the Mafia threaten it's competition by editing WikiP articles? They would not. They throw a bloody horse head in the competitions bed...where it is certain to attract attention from the right person.

If you want/need validation, try a Republican blog. On the other hand, if you want actual debate, well CW.com is the place.

Ahhhh.. So Democrats are completely blameless. :^/

This sort of Wiki-mischief occurs all the time.

I guess that makes it OK then... At least when it's the Left doing the mischief.... :^/

I guess when it's Righty mischief (Abu Ghraib anyone??) the crescendo from the Left is justified... :^/

Just once, I would like to see, "Yer right Michale... The Left frak'ed up and frak'ed up big time.."

Ahh perchance to dream.. :)

Michale

Steve Baer, Republican donor is the source of the E-mails to congressional reps.

The Wikipedia edit is just a red herring. This sort of Wiki-mischief occurs all the time.

The real pressure on McCarthy was the carefully targeted E-mails by a Republican to Republicans.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/256475-gop-lawmakers-confronted-mccarthy

:D

Michale

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.lemondrop.co.uk/media/2010/08/munsters.jpg

It's also interesting to note that the Wiki entry that started the accusation was posted from a Homeland Security Dept IP address..

I guess Obama didn't want McCarthy to be Speaker or Hillary was retaliating for McCarthy speaking the facts regarding the Benghazi Hearings..

Michale

As a purely practical matter, how would the Establishment Wing purge the TP? What rule(s) has(ve) been broken? I suspect none, but even if an actionable infraction could be found, expulsion proceedings would require a nasty national fight plus nasty fights in all 50 state parties plus territories. There would be a STRONG potential for litigation (assets to be divided) in every venue. If the purge is successful, the ER can't actually kick black balled TP members out of office. All the EW can do is cabal with the Democrats to elect a more flexible House o' Reps Leadership willing to lead somewhere, as opposed to lead nowhere....which they can already cabal without kicking out any TP. There is some risk to this, but nearly all Congressional Districts are quite safe for their incumbents.

Option 2, walking away and forming a new party would be easier than option 1, but again, they can accomplish about the same thing just by simply working with the Democrats. Less ugly, less cleanup.

I think it fair to say that one of the untended consequences of the US Constitution is that We (The People) are stuck with what is for all intents and purposes a two party system of governance plus organized obstructionists and vocal complainers. The only viable option is to wall them off, like oysters do to a grain of sand, producing a smooth, shiny pearl. Oysters are just about the dumbest things on Earth...but at least they know how to deal with irritation. Unlike...

The suggestions and rumors are already running rampant. My favorite so far is to bring back Newt Gingrich as speaker -- he knows a thing or two about raucous caucuses, right? There is no constitutional requirement for the speaker to be a member of the House, so in theory they could pick anybody.

What do you think about a BiPartisan Commission of Democrats and Republicans choosing the next Speaker??

Biga's bigotry (heh :D) notwithstanding, it would seem to me that, if Democrats are truly about compromise and putting country before Party, they would jump at the chance to work with Republicans towards MEANINGFUL bi-partisanship, eh??

But I am sure Biga speaks for all of the Left with his opposition to it..

Which simply proves what I have always said is 1000% factual..

For the Democrat Party, "compromise" means "Our Way Or The Highway"

:^/

Michale

The Left has been predicting the "irrelevancy" of the Tea Party for quite a few years now...

The Left has as good of a track record as I have predicting SCOTUS rulings...

And the same thing drives those predictions..

Wish-casting... :D

Michale

So why does a Speaker candidate feel so compelled to continue to observe the so-called Hastert Rule?

For the same reason that the other side of the aisle feels so compelled to do stoopid stuff..

Party Uber Alles

Neil,

First off..

"WELCOME TO THE PARTY, PAL!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

Who'd be a politician today? I know nobody who I know personally and respect as a leader who is remotely interested in the job.

And therein lies the conundrum.

And not the Frank Parker kind...

The people that WOULD be good leaders want nothing to do with politics...

It's only the greedy narcissistic loons who want to "save the world" that want the power of political so-called "leadership".

I have saids its befores and I'll says it agains ad nasuem...

There is no difference between a Democrat or a Republican. They are both nothing but politicians which, in my book, puts them barely above cockroaches or those sticker-thingies that get into your socks when you walk thru a field..

Michale

:D

That particular horse has been milked for all it's worth and that particular cow has been beat to death..

Michale

Very true.
Working with those people would suck.

But your average dog catcher or retailer has the skills to do a better job than they can manage.

Plus, there's a good health plan and lots of vacation... and a possibility for promotion for doing nothing.

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It seems even if the Freedom Caucus kept trying to remove the speaker, they'd never succeed if the rest of the Rs just decided not to vote on the question.

I'm sure I'm being too simplistic (even pollyanna), but it's gotta be better for them as an overall conference than what they're putting themselves through right now.

There must millions of Americans who have recently realized that they are indeed qualified for the job of congresscritter.

Let's hope some of them take the plunge and we get some new blood.

It's hard not to laugh at the current mess, but there's also an uneasy feeling because these numbnuts appear capable of making the mess a whole lot bigger.

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