Interesting attempt at saving face after backing down from the challenge.

A failed attempt that is.

Truly pathetic.

And you clearly have no idea what makes me happy.

altohone

But when all is said and done, you are simply rendering your opinion...

The opinion of a JEEP that has been here mere weeks..

As such, it means very little to me.... :D

But hay.. At least you keep me amused.. :D

Michale

Who the hell do you think you are to "force" me to do a damn thing!??

You are no true gamester.
Just a pathetic little man.

Thank you for your concession of the superiority of my argument..

Your concession is appreciated, albeit irrelevant.. :D

Michale

You always jump to false conclusions and lie about how you got there.

One comment could have been as long as you wanted... in no way would it "censor" or "silence" you... just force you to think and organize your responses.
You may notice you used four comments to respond to one of mine, and yet you still ducked the issues you were afraid to address.

Likewise, giving us a four day weekend every month would not have prevented you from commenting to your hearts content on any columns you missed once the weekend had passed.

Go ahead and pretend you were making a point, but it was just as weak as your normal chickensheet lying, distracting, deflecting, denying, and ignoring.

Your delusions about "winning" when you are actually resorting to trollery is just more dishonesty. You can't win an argument fairly, so you cheat... and it's obvious to all.

The stakes were higher than you could bear, even with your false confidence at winning.

I accepted your t-shit offer, and you ran from mine like a scared little boy.
I gave you simple options to choose from, and you wimped out...

... without even a watered down counter-offer.

Triskelion would have been your doom.
You are no true gamester.
Just a pathetic little man.

There's no denying the truth.

altohone

If you spent a FRACTION of the time actually addressing my points that you put into trying to silence me, you would probably be a lot happier...

I'm just sayin'... :D

Michale

"I make no deals for command of this ship!"
-Captain James T Kirk, STAR TREK, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

:D

Michale

Yea... It's just so frakin' ANNOYING when people interrupt the echo chamber you love so much, eh?? :D

You really want to curtail my comments here in Weigantia??

It's really quite simple..

Start actually WINNING debates... Forgo the personal attacks (which just INCREASES my comment numbers) and actually start racking up some wins with facts...

It's a forgone conclusion that I don't hang around if I am always getting beat...

Which explains my longevity around here.. :D

Michale

Still trying to censor speech you don't approve of, eh Biga?? :D

Sorry, son.. Even though it's an easy win for me as there is absolutely NO CHANCE that Bernie will be our next President, I make no deals of that nature..

It's rather ironic.. I have tried to make such deals like that in the past, but was talked out of them by the majority of my fellow Weigantians..

So, I don't think such a deal as you propose would be in the best interests of Weigantia..

At least you didn't duck the issue... like the other 8 you simply ignored in my last comment Mr honest conversation. That doesn't exactly bode well for trusting you will honor the wager...

You really are new around here, ain'tcha.. :D

More likely than not, that's just an excuse on your part.. :D

It's OK.. I understand.. Parading around in an I LOVE MICHALE t-shirt would have to be a blow to yer fragile ego.. :D

Michale

My, my. Aren't we impatient. There's quite a bit of campaign time yet.
And not everybody has a life free of obligations and other interests.

Trump as the current designated driver of the GOP clown car is indeed insignificant.
But Bernie leading the pack in the GOP primary polls in Vermont is significant.
It shows he has considerable cross-party support and respect from the people who know him best.
I've also never heard of a candidate leading in the polls in the primary from the opposing party.
Maybe it's happened before? Anyone know? CW?

As for your manhood, either your reading comprehension skills are getting even worse, or your fantasies are getting better... but I'd prefer you leave me out of those.

Like I said, I am willing to consider your ideas for the Bernie campaign challenge.
At least you didn't duck the issue... like the other 8 you simply ignored in my last comment Mr honest conversation. That doesn't exactly bode well for trusting you will honor the wager... not too late though... you seem to have the time... how about stepping up?
A simple confidence boosting measure.
And it would be a good habit generally.
(it also wouldn't hurt if you gave me that apology you promised me but weaseled out of way back when)

The t-shirt idea is interesting.
But it's brief and relatively painless for you... and I value my privacy so I'd cover my face (not really fair to you). In the remote possibility I lost, I'd also require a third party intermediary because there's no chance I'd share my name and address with you.

For you, I was thinking more along the lines of picking two of the following four options-

- for a full year, you agree to only making one comment per column here... unless you are directly addressed in another comment, in which case you'd be allowed one reply. Self explanatory.
- for a full year, you give us a four day weekend every month from any comments... I wouldn't wish a spider bite (or whatever it was) on anyone, but sheesh was it nice here while you were gone
- for a full year, you agree to stop all the troll tactics you employ here regularly... if you don't know what that means or are unaware that you are doing it, we can hash out the specifics... but I've pointed out some of them before
- for a full year, you agree to using a quote only once. The boring and unimaginative repetition is getting really old. There are so many other movies... and books and websites dedicated to quotes to choose from. (even if you don't choose this option, you really should consider it)

It may also be worth noting that your anti-Hillary efforts would be helping me win, so you may want to factor that into the equation.

So?

A

:D

Michale

It's as significant as Trump leading the pack...

I certainly do believe Bernie has a good chance of becoming our next president.
But you ducked the implied challenge.
How about putting something where your mouth is?
I mean besides your swollen foot.

Are we talking about my manhood again?? :D

Tell ya what.. Why don't we do a T-SHIRT wager...

If you win.. If Bernie is the Democrat POTUS Candidate, I will wear ON CAMERA FOR ALL TO SEE a T-shirt of your choice...

If I win and Bernie is NOT the Democrat POTUS Candidate, you will wear ON CAMERA FOR ALL TO SEE a T-Shirt of MY choice...

So, let's see whose manhood is bigger.. :D

"Your stakes are high..."
"Not for TRUE gamesters..."
-STAR TREK, The Gamesters Of Triskelion

:D

Or was your wanna-be tough guy dare all you are capable of mustering?

You tell me, son... :D

Michale

Small donors representing the voices of the many is an improvement on large donations from the rich few. It is more in line with the concept of representative democracy.
Feel free to try to defend why it's not.
But I'm guessing you'll just deflect again since honest conversations are not your thing.

I'd love to hear your plan for eliminating the role of big money in our elections and government... outside of your praise for wealthy, self-funding candidates of course. Or do you think our current system is great?

Your belief that Repub candidates wouldn't love to have broken Obama's record is just more dishonesty.
Not only would they be trumpeting the feat, but the media would be announcing it as a significant accomplishment.
But, since Bernie Sanders is the guy to have done it, you deflect from honest conversation once again.

Your constant praise and defense of the Trumpon doesn't square with your feigned stance of having no horse in the race, but since you really just followed your typical tactic to avoid answering any questions you don't like... I'll rephrase-

How is the GOP frontrunner doing?
Has he recovered from his slump?
Did he commit to refusing all campaign donations and self-funding his campaign?
Is he returning the "entrance fees" from his "not a fundraiser"?
Is he selling his campaign trinkets at cost?

So, "polls this early are meaningless" is your only comment about Bernie Sanders leading the pack in the Republican primary in Vermont?
You see no significance in it whatsoever?
You don't think it says quite a lot about the GOP candidates being unappealing to their own party's voters?
So much so, that Vermont Repubs prefer a democratic socialist running for the Democratic nomination?

I certainly do believe Bernie has a good chance of becoming our next president.
But you ducked the implied challenge.
How about putting something where your mouth is?
I mean besides your swollen foot.

I've got some non-financial ideas if you are bold enough to stand by your dare... but I'm open to your offers as well... and, again, other than fictional currency. Or was your wanna-be tough guy dare all you are capable of mustering?

A

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/if-edward-snowden-is-right-about-clintons-emails_b_8225470.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Michale

Nice ta see ya around!! :D

Relying on the corporate media for responsible coverage of anything worthwhile is like relying on a used car dealer to be honest.

Troo... But, like used car salesmen, there ARE honest brokers out there..

Corporate media is only interested in selling more media and focuses most of their attention on personalities rather than any kind of qualifications.

Again, troo...

My beef is the accountability factor based on political ideology..

For example, Right Wingers rail against all of the MSM but gives FoxNews a pass...

Left Wingers rail against FoxNews, but gives the rest of the MSM a pass...

It's the MONEY IN CAMPAIGNS issue all over again...

Fortunately, corporate media is losing its influence.

In what way??

Good ta see ya again! :D

Michale

Corporate media is only interested in selling more media and focuses most of their attention on personalities rather than any kind of qualifications.

Fortunately, corporate media is losing its influence.

-David

Yes. Lots of small donations is a good thing.
And it's news.

If you say so... :D

And the Repubs who are trying desperately can't come close.

Again, whatever you have to think to sleep at night. :D

And who is the Repub frontrunner in Vermont again?
I must have missed your response somehow.

Yea, and that means sooo much this early, right?? :D

Has your frontrunner bounced back from his ratings... er, um... polling slump yet?

I have no frontrunner.. Technically speaking, Hillary is as much "my" frontrunner as Trump is..

I'll climb out there with him, but are you really only offering a couple of mangy mutts?

If you honestly believe that Bernie has a snowballs chance in hell of winning the General, you are more deluded than I thought.. And I think you are pretty deluded.. :D

Don't you usually offer some imaginary currency to prove your manhood?

While I thank you for the sudden interest in my manhood, sorry.. I don't ride that bike.. :D

Michale

Welcome to the site! Your first post was held for moderation, but from now on you should be able to post comments instantly. Just don't post more than one link per comment, as multi-link comments are automatically held for moderation.

Again, welcome to the site.

-CW

Yes. Lots of small donations is a good thing.
And it's news.
And the Repubs who are trying desperately can't come close.
And I know you can't admit it and have to change the subject... very few people think less of you for such things.

BTW...
Did the Trumpon commit to a strictly self-funded campaign?
Is he returning the "entrance fees" he collected for his "not a fundraiser" lest he be a typical corrupted Republican?
He's selling his campaign stuff at cost too right?
Has your frontrunner bounced back from his ratings... er, um... polling slump yet?

And who is the Repub frontrunner in Vermont again?
I must have missed your response somehow.

I'm still a Jill Stein guy, but it's looking like that limb Bernie's on is pretty sturdy, and growing thicker.

I'll climb out there with him, but are you really only offering a couple of mangy mutts?
Don't you usually offer some imaginary currency to prove your manhood?

A

Thanks... I think... :D heh

Best wishes to all!

Thank ya....

Michale

A fine looking little fellow,, with a name and initials well suited to any career he may be destined to follow: supreme court justice, general, lawyer, diplomat, ball player, explorer, etc. Fine head of hair for one so young! I'm assuming the distinguished gentleman holding him is yerself: if so, my mental picture of you was spot on! Best wishes to all!

The Stig

Obama set the record for reaching a million donations the earliest... and Bernie just broke that record.

And that's a GOOD thing???

I thought ya'all eschewed money in campaigns??

Now you want to applaud it??

May be worth pointing out that none of the Repub clown car candidates is anywhere close to reaching that mark.

That's because the GOP Frontrunner doesn't have to beg for other people's money and therefore, won't be beholden to special interests and lobbyists.

Another thing I thought ya'all were on the side of... :D

But, the all important '-X' rears it's ugly head once again...

Your dismissal of Bernie's chances does bring up memories of 2007... memories of people who were famously wrong about Obama.

So, do you want to state for the record, that you think Bernie will win the General??

Go ahead... I double dog dare ya.. :D

Michale

Obama set the record for reaching a million donations the earliest... and Bernie just broke that record.

It's news even if you choose to pretend otherwise.

May be worth pointing out that none of the Repub clown car candidates is anywhere close to reaching that mark.

As for dsws's comment, you may want to read it again.
He was guessing what the media is thinking... their potential "reasoning".

Their "reasoning" may be just as faulty as yours typically is.
It may also be different than what he was guessing.
It is well within the realm of the possible that the corporate owned media is being influenced to harm a candidate they do not wish to see elected.

Your dismissal of Bernie's chances does bring up memories of 2007... memories of people who were famously wrong about Obama.

BTW, have you noticed which candidate is leading the pack in the polls for the Republican primary in Vermont?

A

Allow me to introduce Carter Jacob Worley...

http://sjfm.us/temp/cjw1.jpg

CJ..... All my fellow Weigantians...

:D

Michale

I disagree..

There are those in the Left who STILL believe that TRUTH is actually the way things happened...

Dan Rather himself is quoted as saying things to that effect..

The incident that TRUTH is based on is a perfect example of what I am talking about...

Stop telling us'all what we seem to think. It's better if we tell you, and vice versa. Helps to avoid collateral damage.

I can only go by what I see posted here...

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.. But bring facts... For example, it's a FACT that the Left Wing went positively ape-sheet over Abu Ghraib...

If you have any facts that contradict this assessment..

"I am all ears"
-Ross Perot

Until I see facts to the contrary, I gotz to calls em as I sees em.. :D

Michale

The movie Truth is a drama, not a documentary. It's based on a memoir, not a history...and the movie is not even out yet! Using this to evaluate the state of TV news is like try to evaluate the US III Army in WWII from, say, the movie drama Patton...if this were Jan. 1970 with Patton about to released in a couple of months.

"Ya'all don't seem to mind when Corporate interests manipulate the media as long as the manipulation serves an agreed-with agenda..."

Stop telling us'all what we seem to think. It's better if we tell you, and vice versa. Helps to avoid collateral damage.

Of course, that should read "The LACK OF media coverage of Benghazi is another example..."

I mean, let's face reality..

If Benghazi had happened under a GOP POTUS, the media would have gone positively ape-sheet...

One only has to look at the coverage of Abu Ghraib, which BARELY rose to the level of college hazing, to know that to be a fact...

Michale

I completely agree....

Which is why I said "My point is that the complaints about the news media usually spring from the well of the complainant's ideology and, as such, the complaints themselves are as suspect as the news they are complaining about.."

Having said that, in the here and now, the Left ward slant of the news media is well documented...

Comment #12 illustrates but one example...

The media coverage of Benghazi is another example...

The media coverage of Abu Ghraib is another example....

I could go on and on and on (and often do!! :D), but ideological enslavement prevents anyone here from conceding the point...

Michale

Increased lack of trust applies across the ideological spectrum.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/171740/americans-confidence-news-media-remains-low.aspx

Basically the movie has Dan Rather and other BDS suffers saying, "Everything was true!! It was just the facts and the evidence that were forged and manufactured.."

Ya'all don't seem to mind when Corporate interests manipulate the media as long as the manipulation serves an agreed-with agenda...

That's my point...

Michale

People always see conspiracy theories and cherry pick the facts to suit their agenda..

Corporations look out for their own interests first.. In and of itself, that is not really the fall of civilization...

Is there a certain amount of corporate influence in the news media?

Of course..

Is it a harbinger of a Corporate take over of civilization as we know it??

Doubtful...

My point is that the complaints about the news media usually spring from the well of the complainant's ideology and, as such, the complaints themselves are as suspect as the news they are complaining about..

Michale

I assume Basil is me.

It means your friendly broadcast news is a tiny little appendage answering to a much bigger corporate fish. Would you really expect a high degree of objectivity towards Sanders, the least corporate friendly of the declared candidates? Would the news fin perhaps feel infotainment is safer than real journalism and early "retirement."

Breaking out of the fish metaphor, Caesar's wife may not actually be a whore, but she does appear a bit slutty and certainly not beyond reproach.

"But what does it all MEAN, Basil??"
-Austin Powers

:D

Michale

How corporate might this be be?

ABC - parent company = Walt Disney Co.

Company symbol is a mouse, which looks like an octopus, or Queen Victoria's family tree

https://inherentlyfreakish.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/marvel-arch-black2.png

Total asset valuation (2014)= 84 billion US$

NBC is owned by Comcast, GE, Vivendi, Combined assets = (2014) 855 billion US$

CBS is owned by National Amusements which is owned by Credit Lyonnaise which is in turn owned by Credit Agricole. Total Assents = (2014)1.5 TRILLION Euros.

Put another way...

It has been said that Hillary running a 2008 campaign all over again.. Making the same mistakes all over again..

But, the conventional wisdom goes, it won't matter because Sanders is no Obama and neither is Biden...

BUT....

But a Biden-Warren ticket IS an "Obama" and would likely decimate Hillary's weak-charactered and weak-kneed campaign...

And just might be able to carry over that excitement into the General...

A Biden/Warren ticket is the only thing that keeps me up at night...

Insofar as ANYTHING from politics keeps me up at night.. :D

Michale

Let me amend that prediction..

The ONLY way that the Democrat Party could possibly prevail in the upcoming General is with the Biden-Warren ticket...

That would excite the base so much that a victory would be a real possibility...

Michale

Hillary Clinton Camp Is Making Moves to Check Joe Biden
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/us/politics/hillary-clinton-camp-begins-to-fear-run-by-joe-biden.html?src=twr&_r=1

While the Hillary Camp may not Fear The Bern, they definitely Fear The Biden... :D

Michale

The Leftist Media DOES slant towards liberal, there is no denying this..

The fact that the Leftist MSM won't cover Bernie is because they know he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning the General Election..

The funny thing is, with the scandal drip, drip, drip of the Hillary Clinton campaign, it's almost a sure bet that HILLARY doesn't stand a chance to win either..

You see the latest batch of emails?? Holy moly, there is some red meat in there for Republcans to use against Hillary...

And the monthly drip drip drip is going to continue for another YEAR!!!

The Democrat Party is sunk for this POTUS election....

Michale

You have been hanging around JFC too much.. :D

. socialist bogeyman nonsense and jokes about his hair and whatnot.

Ya'all don't seem to mind hair jokes when it's directed at a guy with a '-R' after his name.. How come?? :D

Michale

Better than Obama is news.
There's no denying it.

Nearly matching Hillary in fundraising is likewise newsworthy. $24 million in the last three months with $25 million in cash on hand says a lot (he raised 15 in the first two months of his campaign). That means he has only spent $14 million to surpass Mrs Inevitable in New Hampshire and Iowa, and narrow the gap significantly in national polls.

Another interesting tidbit is that that 8 out of 504 minutes of coverage was mostly what can only be called unprofessional... socialist bogeyman nonsense and jokes about his hair and whatnot.

Perhaps you could put in a request to Andrew Tyndall to analyze those eight minutes to see how often Bernie's policies were actually discussed... it shouldn't require much of a time commitment.

In any case, you are completely right in calling out the corporate media... their bias is plain to see.

I've said it before, but Hillary and her supporters are making the exact same mistakes that caused her to lose to Obama... and they are being just as nasty and offensive this time around too... not all of them of course, but too many of them for sure.

A