Fiorina, on the other hand, was fired by HP, admits it, and has been unemployed since early 2005 - more than a decade. She said herself that she put her résumé out there, even on LinkdIn, and got no takers. That's because no business would touch her with a barge pole.

So she decided to try politics. She ran for senate five years ago and lost. It took her four years to get around to paying her campaign staff too. Since then she still hasn't been able to get a job in her field of business management so she's trying politics again.

Since Trump would have much better access to information than you or me, why do you think you're right and he's wrong? You really think your sources are better than his? Also, Trump didn't give an opinion; he stated facts about Fiorina's time in business and surely that's something he should know about.

Several times now you've expressed your opinion of Trump as being a very successful business man yet you're now saying he's wrong when it comes to his factual assessment of another business person? You really think you're a better judge of business success than Trump? How are your qualifications better than his?

Incidentally, Trump also exposed Scott Walker whom you seem to like early in the race. Are you claiming that Trump was wrong about Walker too?

I didn't call him a liar..

Trump (and you, incidentally) rendered an opinion and I posted the facts of the issue that would indicate that Trump's (and your) opinion is without merit..

By the way, Fiorina was fired by HP and she has not been able to find another job since.

The same could be said for Hillary.. :D

It's spin.. Nothing more..

Michale

I also agree with Trump regarding Fiorina and I'm very surprised to find you calling him a liar. By the way, Fiorina was fired by HP and she has not been able to find another job since.

Let me put it this way..

Do you have any evidence of a Fiorina "lie" that is as well documented and blatant as say, "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan." and "I welcome the public debate on domestic surveillance"..

Do you have anything from Fiorina that is in the same universe as that??

Michale

Ya lost me... I need another beer... :D

Michale

You have a copyright on hyperbole???!!!! Dang, I should of thought of that! Mind if ask - what did pay for it? Regardless, good move, advantage Michael!!!

Hmmmm- think I'll put in a bid for the sarcasm franchise... bet John Oliver owns it.

Do you have a copyright on hyperbole???!!!! Dang, I should of thought of that! Advantage Michael!!!

I'm just sayin'...

Michale

As I mentioned to Mopshell, if all you have is hyperbole..... please....

"He's been busted twice for insubordination!"
"General, I have seen your own file... Please... "
-STARGATE ATLANTIS

:D

Michale

Which conclusion? The lying or the arrogant? :-)

Oh... That's right...

There hasn't been any...

What is Hillary so afraid of??? :D

Michale

Ooops, I missed one.. Please know that that was NOT me saying that, MS... :D

Michale

Com'on... Be real...

Michale

The facts are quite different...

What "facts" you say??

Well, I am glad you asked.. :D

First of all, Fiorina was hired by HP on July 19, 1999 - just before the dot-com technology stock crash that affected almost all tech stocks back then. She was not responsible for the dot-com crash, so let's see how she did compared to some of her colleagues in the tech world at the time...

But before we compare, let's use an accurate barometer. And stock price is NOT an accurate barometer. Why? Because if one knows anything about corporate finance (which I do not), companies will often issue stock splits to reduce the price of their stock - especially when they are growing. And a 2-for-1 stock split will initially cut the stock price in half - even when the company is doing well. Not a good measure by itself.

The more accurate measure is to compare the market capitalization of companies, or the stock price x the number of shares outstanding. And a stock split will not change the market cap of a company by itself.

So let's see how HP's market cap did against other top tech companies during her term from July 19, 1999 to February 10, 2005:

- HP market cap declined by 32.22%. Not good, but considering the dot-com crash, understandable.
- Intel market cap dropped 34.52%
- IBM market cap dropped 37.32%
- Microsoft market cap dropped 43.59%
And Xerox??? It’s market cap dropped 62.23%.

And all of those competitors were run by experienced MEN.

Now let's take a look at all those thousands of jobs the Left claims Fiorina "shipped overseas." If you look at the record, almost all of the layoffs were due to eliminating redundant jobs as a result of the Compaq merger. When you merge two companies, you do not need twice as many accountants or twice as many HR people. So if you were familiar with mergers, you would know that eliminating redundant jobs is very common. Trump's buddy, Carl Icahn, was a master at that tactic.

But the important point is that those jobs were not "shipped overseas." What jobs HP created overseas were a direct result of trying to open international markets to bolster corporate revenues during the dot-com recession. So they hired thousands of sales and application engineers to aggressively pursue foreign market opportunities.

So people like the Left, who don't bother to look beyond the headlines, see only that thousands of domestic jobs were eliminated, and thousands of foreign jobs were created - thus, the Left (and the idiot "journalists" who report this nonsense) jump to the conclusion that the eliminated jobs were somehow sent overseas. Which of course, is ludicrous.

Finally, while Carly did end up laying off around 34,000 people during her 5 years at the helm, her layoffs are not even on the top 20 worst layoffs of all time. No, the worst of all time belongs to Louis B. Gerstner of IBM, supposedly considered the greatest CEO of all-time, where he laid off over 60,000 IBM employees essentially at one time. And they were not a result of redundant job elimination due to a merger.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

And while you let that sink into your limited mind, here's one other fun fact - many people complain that Carly left HP with a severance package of over $21 million. Yet no one seems to notice that her "golden parachute" was not even in the same ballpark as her male counterparts - such as Gerstner's $189 million, or GE's Jack Welch at a whopping $417 million.

moneymorning.com/2013/0...

The point is that Fiorina actually managed HP through the dot-com crash much more adroitly than her male counterparts with other top technology companies - and the subsequent growth rate of HP's recovery outpaced virtually all of its direct competitors.

For the record, that is a CnP from someone else's comment that I did not get the name to attribute... I added some edits to take the bite off, as the original commenter was not a very... er.. polite commenter. :D

Michale

Various media fact-checked the second GOP debate. This one is FactCheck.org which comes to the same conclusions as the others but combines various statements into one article, including two of Fiorina's statements:

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/factchecking-the-cnn-republican-debate/

I'm glad I got that in writing! :D hehehehehe J/K

Christie is a narcissist who is following a plan.

The "plan" worked for Obama, a fellow narcissist... :D

Fiorina has badly damaged every company she's ever worked for and can't get another job which is why she's turned to politics.

Yea, that's the story from the Left...

The facts are quite different...

That leaves... no-one! I think the remaining 15 will stay in for a couple of months yet. :-)

I love it when people have the strength of their convictions to go on the record..

My motto has always been, "I may disagree with what you say, but I respect you for not shirking from saying it.."

:D

Michale

However, Walker has always been a Koch puppet. They wouldn't have taken kindly to his drop in the polls (lower than 1%), his poor interview and debate performances and, the last straw, Trump exposing to national media what a failure Walker is as governor and all the lies he's told.

So the Kochs have told Walker they are turning off his money spigot, thereby forcing him out of the race. They will now turn their attention to one of the other four candidates they have been watching: Fiorina, Rubio, Bush and Cruz. Both Paul and Kasich were included in their group early on but both have been dropped since.

Also, one of the reasons Perry's campaign went broke is because Cruz was able to successfully poach his major Texas donors. This happened in the wake of the Republican backlash against Perry after he attacked Trump. I think Perry was shocked by the ferocity of that backlash which flooded his FaceBook page and campaign website.

As for the next one to drop out, I keep saying it will be Rand Paul but he's hanging in there. He'll probably follow his old man and stick around to the bitter end. I agree with Trump though: I think Paul is a nasty piece of work.

Santorum is another who just hangs in there, this time without a hope. I think Lindsey Graham is being advised by his 'adoptive' father, John McCain who is telling him to stick it out and Lindey is being the obedient son.

Christie is a narcissist who is following a plan. I don't know that he's psychologically able to pull out, at least not before the NH primary. Jeb's in it for the long haul and has plenty of money behind him. Rubio has already stated that he will not run for re-election. I guess he might change his mind but not before May next year.

Fiorina has badly damaged every company she's ever worked for and can't get another job which is why she's turned to politics. She might as well stay in it for something to do because she's never going to get another job. Likewise Jindal, Pataki and Gilmore have nothing better to do either.

Carson is doing well in the polls so no reason for him to drop out. Trump, hopefully, will stay on top for a while yet. Cruz is in it for the long haul and has plenty of backing. I'd like to see Huckabee drop out but he probably won't for a while yet.

That leaves... no-one! I think the remaining 15 will stay in for a couple of months yet. :-)

And the evidence to support such a conclusion is... what exactly??

I don't mind arrogance in a person as long as it is earned...

"Of course I'm arrogant!! I've EARNED it!!"
-Q

:D

Michale

Expanding on your terminology:

Arrogant Liar: Fiorina

Filthy Prick: Christie

Choices, choices, at the Political Walmart :-)

Very hard indeed, because I think he has a decent underdog shot at claiming the nomination. Rubio is climbing in the polls, but the polls are lagging indicators this early in the cycle. Rubio is now number two in the Betfair prediction market with a win probability of around 22% and still climbing, Bush is still on top trending flat around 35% Rubio's rise is at the expensive of Trump, 10% trending sharply down, Carson 5%,trending down and to a lesser extent Fiorina, who looks to be leveling out at 9-10%. Rubio is the Republican Establishment Spare, should Bush falter. Over at the Democratic Nomination, Biden is trending up as a credible alternative to Clinton, at the expense of Sanders, who is having a rough week at the market.

The Betfair market is doing a good job of anticipating the aggregated polling trends, which I have come to expect this early in the election cycle.

In the case of the strikingly under performing Walker, was this a case of the ventriloquist removing his hand from the dummy and putting "Scotty" back in the traveling case? Somehow, I never got the impression Walker was his own man. Sometimes it takes a prank to reveal it.

Er..... uh...... I got nuthin'... :D

Michale

There are no agnostics in Fox Holes.

Crusader Candidates who never quit. I prefer the term Zombie Candidates. Lurching around in the statistical noise, looking for brains to turn into zombie voters. The politically undead. Difficult to eradicate due to low maintenance needs and viral marketing strategy. Zombie voters tend to show up at Thanksgiving family gatherings. A drunk uncle/aunt is a political zombie that doesn't ever get around to voting.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/24/carly-fiorina-tops-hillary-clinton-head-head-match/

It's tough being right all....er.... most of the time.. :D

Michale

HILLARY QUITS!!

But alas, it was just a dream....

Or was it?? :D

Michale

Touche' :D

But don't you think it's a sad state of the Democrat Party that they only "viable" candidate the Democrat Party can field is someone of Hillary's immoral, unethical and downright bad character??

I mean, what's the first word that pops into Joe Sixpack's head when you say TRUMP...

Arrogant prick...

What's the first word that pops into Joe Sixpack's head when you say HILLARY...

Filthy liar....

Of the two choices, an arrogant prick or a filthy liar, which one is better for POTUS....

The choice is clear...

At least to a political agnostic such as myself..

Michale

Interesting theory... I like it.. :D

And, just maybe, this is why none of the Republican candidates left standing has more than a snowballs chance in Hell of becoming the next POTUS.

If character is the litmus test, then how do you explain Hillary's front-runner status? :D

Michale

I would have to dispute this..

To be able to make this statement, you would have to be able to read the mind of the candidates themselves..

Having said that.. Can't argue with your predictions because they make sense...

Michale

I must admit, I'm doing a pretty horrible job of picking who will exit the race in what order, as when I wrote about the subject last month, neither man was on my list of the first five candidates I thought would drop out earliest. Both Perry and Walker had substantial support from the billionaire class, which meant both had plenty of funds pouring in to super PACs to support their candidacy. The problem for both men, in the end, turned out not to be lack of funds to air television ads, but rather lack of funds to keep the lights on and pay their official campaign staff.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

Maybe the dollars propping up a campaign aren't nearly as important as the character of the candidate and the policies he or she is espousing.

And, just maybe, this is why none of the Republican candidates left standing has more than a snowballs chance in Hell of becoming the next POTUS.

I'm already longing for the days of All Trump TV.
What does Donald have to do to get some attention? Speak to a JEB-like, half-empty conference hall in South Carolina?