An E-Ride, to be sure... :D

Michale

Agreed...

Biden/Schwarzeneggar would be a FUN ticket!! :D

Michale

Unconstitutional...

Other than that, not bad.. :D

Michale

What would be a serious ticket, choosing from one Dem and one GOP...

Michale

Michale

Walker/Biden :D

Michale

And, say what you want about Chuck Hagel but, I never thought that Obama's appointment of Hagel as Secretary of Defense was a very good fit. I think he would have made a far better vice president to Biden's president.

Are there any Republicans out there who you think would be a good choice to team up with Biden on a hybrid or fusion ticket?

Ya know... I can honestly and truly see Joe doing something like that..

Country before Party....

I can also see the Democrat Party crucify him for it..

Much as the GOP did to McCain for thinking about choosing Lieberman...

Such is the problem with PARTY UBER ALLES thinking...

Michale

Why else would Biden be talking to Warren in a surprise meeting??

There is a theory out there that Obama is engineering a Putin/Medeyev type maneuver using Biden.. Obama will appease the extreme Left/Women vote by having Biden pick Warren for his VP...

Outlandish, but fun to think about.. :D

I think what's more likely is Biden wanted to Sherman Warren and see if he could get her support...

If Warren can turn her supporters on to Biden and, given Hillary's penchant for seeking out doggie-doo to step in, Hillary goes ker-plunk, Biden has a real shot at the nomination..

Michale

If Biden is the Democrat nominee - and, THAT is a HUUUUUUUUUUGE if - then he is just as likely to choose a Republican as a Democrat for his running mate.

Michale

Michale

No... I am ignoring your spin of recent history...

The fact is, this economy could be well on the way to a REAL recovery...

But Obama squandered all his time and energy on a DEMOCRAT boondongle that the American people DID NOT want.. STILL doesn't want...

The American people asked for jobs.. BEGGED for jobs..

Obama and the Democrats gave them TrainWreckCare...

Michale

How many innocent people will have to die before you realize that diplomacy doesn't work??

Chamberlain used diplomacy with Hitler..

We know how well THAT worked out...

Clinton used diplomacy with North Korea...

We know how well THAT worked out...

But it's going to be different THIS time, right?? :^/

There comes a time when diplomacy crosses the line into appeasement..

The Iran deal crossed that line a long time ago...

The simple fact that Iran's terrorist activities are left COMPLETELY intact with a hundred billion dollar influx of capital proves that beyond ANY doubt...

Michale

When it comes to what the Republicans were able to do to harm the economy over the last several years since the financial crisis and what the Democrats tried so hard to do - and were successful to a great degree - in arresting the economic death spiral and moving forward to recovery, you are simply ignoring recent history.

That's your opinion and I respect that..

But the facts are that Democrats were in control of the country for the majority of the Obama Administration..

And the results are clear to see..

Economy Toilet

Race Relations Toilet

American Prestige and Honor Toilet

I'm still reeling from all that they did to stymie progress on the economy during the most difficult economic times the country has faced in generations ... and, all in the name of denying Obama any victory even if it meant denying the country an opportunity to recover faster from the Great Recession.

Things are crap-tastic with what Obama got away with.. Can you imagine how mired in sheet we would be if Obama had done everything he wanted to do un-opposed..

EVERYTHING that Obama and the Democrats have done, the American people were unequivocally against..

THAT little factoid says it all...

Michale

Your country has already amply demonstrated how easy it is to go to war as virtually the only option to solve serious problems. It is high time that diplomacy be given an equal opportunity to prove that it too can be a valuable tool in the tool box, to used a tired old phrase.

What have the Republicans in congress done since January 2009 that has helped - not hurt - the country?

I'm still reeling from all that they did to stymie progress on the economy during the most difficult economic times the country has faced in generations ... and, all in the name of denying Obama any victory even if it meant denying the country an opportunity to recover faster from the Great Recession.

People around here are ALWAYS saying "GOP SUCKS!!!".. Which is often true....

People around here saying "OBAMA SUCKS!!" or "DEMOCRATS SUCK!!"????

Never happens.. Even when it IS true.....

Michale

The point is, though, it happens so rarely and infrequently that none immediately come to mind...

I CAN say though, with complete conviction, that no one (with one exception) here ever volunteers such dissatisfaction and getting anyone here to concede said dissatisfaction it is worse than pulling teeth..

Michale

Iran Deal

Illegal Immigrants

Black Lives Matter

Hillary Clinton

Marijuana Legalization

Anti-Voter ID

Oh.. Sorry.. You said just one...

My bust... :D

Michale

Point to just one of them ...

What about all your comments in support of gay rights in Iran!? ... ???

I never claimed support for "gay rights."

Just the opposite, as a matter of fact..

My position on gays vis a vis Iran is that YA'ALL should oppose the deal with Iran *BECAUSE* ya'all are such supporters of "gay rights"..

The fact that ya'all STILL support Iran simply proves the assertions I made in comment #81...

PARTY UBER ALLES

Michale

The thought process for practically everyone here is, "What's best for the Democrat Party?" and moves on from THAT point...

Whereas MY thought process starts at, "What's best for the country?" and then move on from there...

I can point to DOZENS of instances where ya'all support issues that are demonstrably detrimental to this country and the world at large...

But the thinking around here is PARTY UBER ALLES

I *HAVE* no Party so such thinking is alien to me...

Michale

I am confused.

What about all your comments in support of gay rights in Iran!? ... ???

That's because we don't support EVERYTHING or criticize EVERYTHING - we are more discerning than that. That's essentially the difference between critical thinkers and those who cannot think critically. We can tell the difference between a SCOTUS decision that we think is good for the country and one that we think will do the country a great deal of harm.

Absolutely not...

I oppose both decisions...

Michale

Either this SCOTUS is bad for the US or it is not..

If it IS bad for this country, then how do you explain the "good" (at least in ya'alls eyes) it has made...

Basically what you are saying is that the SCOTUS is good when it makes the decisions you agree with and it is bad when it makes the decisions you don't agree with..

This is the Republican record over the course of the last many, many years when it comes to the economy, foreign policy and, they are largely responsible for the incredible increase in political dysfunction of late.

Yea.. And Democrats are completely blameless... :^/

This exact kind of blind ideological faith??

THAT is the problem..

THAT is the dysfunction....

Michale

That's because we don't support EVERYTHING or oppose EVERYTHING - we are more discerning than that. That's essentially the difference between critical thinkers and those who cannot think critically. We can tell the difference between a SCOTUS decision that is good for the country and one that will do the country a great deal of harm.

Oh ... no, no, no Michale. The original person never said that.

I was just asking what could be done to fix the corruption of the political system. And, then, in answer to my query the joke was made that you'd have to have a complete change in the make-up of the Supreme Court before you could have any fix to the corruption of the political system.

Michale, have you COMPLETELY lost your sense of humour? If so, it's going to be a terribly long year and a half for you.

And, no, you didn't hear any complaints from us about the SCOTUS when they upheld Obamacare and gay marriage. That's because we don't support EVERYTHING or criticize EVERYTHING - we are more discerning than that. That's essentially the difference between critical thinkers and those who cannot think critically. We can tell the difference between a SCOTUS decision that is good for the country and one that will do the country a great deal of harm.

Typically, these days, and generally speaking, what is good for the country is espoused by Democrats while Republican thinking has the potential for doing great harm. That's just the way it happens to be at the moment and has been for a very, very long time now.

This is the Republican record over the course of the last many, many years when it comes to the economy, foreign policy and, they are largely responsible for the incredible increase in political dysfunction of late.

Well, at least not from ya'all... :D

Michale

I was referring to the original person who said that. I know you would never stoop to such antics..

<I.The increasing corruption in the US political system won't seemingly be corrected until there is a big change in the makeup of the SC such that the Citizen's United decision might be mitigated or undone and/or a constitutional amendment can be passed. And, good luck with the latter.

I didn't hear many complaints about the SCOTUS when they upheld TrainWreckCare and gay marriage... :D

Michale

But, it does go to show that one of the biggest impact jobs the POTUS has is deciding who to nominate to the Supreme Court, if that opportunity arises.

The increasing corruption in the US political system won't seemingly be corrected until there is a big change in the makeup of the SC such that the Citizen's United decision might be mitigated or undone and/or a constitutional amendment can be passed. And, good luck with the latter.

Ahhh yes... The "tolerance" of the Left in all it's glory and splendor...

Don't agree with someone??

Kill them....

:^/

Remind me of the difference between Right and Left again??

I seem to have forgotten...

Michale

Just for the record, I wish to be clear that I am most decidedly NOT in favour of knocking off a couple of Supremes, under any circumstances, at any time. I mean that sincerely, I'm not trying to be facetious, here ...

As I am wont to do...

"Welcome to the party, pal!!!"
John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

Michale

But no one can talk about that because there is no defense of illegal immigrants. Criminals...

I rest my case....

Michale

We wouldn't want them around here, anyway ...

I'm kidding. :)

Many of us don't adapt well to change, though.

I know you don't believe that. :)

And, I hear what you're saying about frustration over the corruption that is threatening the survival of the republic. That's me showing the influences of reading too many of Gary Hart's blog posts. Heh.

Seriously, you might want to check out Matters of Principle ... corruption and the future of the republic is a common theme on his blog. I just have one problem with all of it ... he doesn't seem to spend a lot time - nor do his regular commenters - on what the solutions are.

You should join the conversation there ...
http://www.mattersofprinciple.com/?p=1183

Of course, if you agree with David Simon (see his The Audacity of Despair blog, his latest post and comments, therein) then nothing will be done about this very serious problem until there is a substantial change in the makeup of the Supreme Court ... short of poisoning Justice Alito and pushing Scalia under a bus. :)

Which is the best argument that could possibly be made in favour of Democratic presidents for the foreseeable future.

Like I said...

This country survived the Carter incompetence...

We'll survive the Obama incompetence...

Michale

Every Weigantian should travel down to the southern border and pick out 3 illegal immigrants...

Take them home, house them, clothe them and feed them.. Provide for them ALL food, lodging and medical... ALL at your own expense...

Ya'all are COMPLETELY responsible for the actions and activities of these illegal immigrants... Anything they do or don't do?? It's YOUR fault....

What??? No takers???

Hmmmmmm strange..

Given ya'all's position on illegal immigrants, I would think ya'all would JUMP at the chance to help these poor poor people...

Ahhhh I see...

Ya'all would prefer that everyone ELSE foot the bill....

Unless ya'all aren't willing to personally foot the bill, ya'all have absolutely NO RIGHT to ask anyone else to....

Michale

No, that is NOT what they mean..

That is what the Left WANTS them to mean so the Left can make the Right out to be bigoted... It's the epitome of a Straw Man argument..

The Right has ALWAYS talked about ILLEGAL immigrants..

Criminals...

NO ONE has ever said word one about LEGAL immigrants with the possible exception of limiting visas for the purposes of American employment...

Let's talk about the REAL issue, if you want to discuss this issue..

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...

Criminals..

But no one can talk about that because there is no defense of illegal immigrants. Criminals...

But it is what it is.

No, it's how you WISH it would be...

It's not how it is at all...

Michale

They're not talking about it, but this is what they mean.

At least it's what all the Republicans I know mean. The honest ones will come right out and say it.

-David

NO ONE... Not ONE single person on the Right is talking about "getting rid of Mexicans".....

That's the problem with those on the Left.. They simply can't even FRAME the debate correctly...

Michale

Liz- I don't believe that.

There is a frustration, however, that something bigger is broken. That there is a corruption that needs to be fixed and that neither side (other than the Bernie's and Elizabeth Warrens) really wants to fix it.

The Democratic Party ignores this at their own peril. The Republican Party too.

Chris is right that the difference between Bernie and The Donald is not that they are both "radical". What the media misses is why they are both popular. They are both popular because they both come across as "honest".

The Donald comes across as honest because he's not being "politically correct". He is actually talking about the issues that the Republican base cares about - getting rid of the Mexicans. Bernie comes across as honest because he's the only candidate speaking about corruption in an honest way.

All the other candidates are trying to "message" us.

I will vote for Hillary if she wins the primary. But meanwhile I'm going to fight for what I believe in.

-David

I'm guessing there may be a couple or three signatories to it who would even impress you!

The ONLY thing that "impresses" me is the FACT that the Obama Administration has given international legitimacy, prestige and accolades to a country that executes gay people. To a country that is THE sponsor of terrorism...

If THAT is the "enlightenment" you are referring to, I would rather stay in the dark...

Michale

"Enlightened"???

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/08/18/hillary-strikes-right-tone-with-black-lives-matter/#comment-62929

I think not....

Michale

No..

I think it's strange that someone of your obvious intelligence would think that...

Michale

:D

Here is yet another letter of support for the Iran nuclear deal endorsed by 70 non-proliferation experts.

I'm guessing there may be a couple or three signatories to it who would even impress you!

http://www.armscontrol.org/files/Nonpro_Specialist_statement_on_Iran_Deal_Aug_2015.pdf

So, you think it's strange that Republican stances typically tend toward an unenlightened point of view whereas Democrats - like President Obama, for example - are more likely to espouse and support polices and strategies that are visionary and represent positive change if implemented?

And, of course, the opinions of many of us here tend towards the enlightened end of the spectrum, so, there you go ...

Yeah, I guess that is kind of strange. What do you think should be done about it? :)

I'm so sick of this "they won't nominate him" crap. We the people are speaking up. I want the Dems to listen and pay attention. We are sick of being excluded.

Bernie vs Trump would be absolutely revolutionary and historical. On so many levels. Let the games begin!

PS Hey Chris, you’re using WordPress. Pls update or replace theme with Responsive capabilities. Not cool for phones, cos most of your readers are mobile. The type is tiny, fixed minimal width, site looks like it was created in 1995. YOUR words deserve better.

And I had to scroll way way down my large monitor to leave a reply. Usually comment forms precede previous comments, right beneath your body text. Some might leave, not knowing how to comment.

Login for comments includes one of the Tools in the Dashboard. Installing Gears. What is that about?

As I guessed, you haven’t updated to Bille, WP 4.3, although it only came out yesterday or so. Out of date sites can be hacked. Plus it would just be more fun and pleasurable reading a hot, modern, and professional layout (simple, clean and minimal cos you are not into fancy bells and whistles) to match your brilliant posts. Go for it. Your readers will appreciate it!

Strange how that always is, eh? :D

I mean, how "critical" can it be when it's based on nothing but Party Loyalty??

Michale

Michale

Here is further proof that my assertion about the need to use your critical thinking skills will help to separate fact from fiction and lead to a more reliable analysis of news reports:

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRogv6vAZKXonjHpfsX57ekoW6Og38431UFwdcjKPmjr1YUATsF0aPyQAgobGp5I5FEIQ7XYTLB2t60MWA%3D%3D

In reality, the IAEA was right about the presence, or lack thereof, of WMD in Iraq while the US was wrong.

Pretty much...

Look how "good" of a job the UN and the IAEA did in Iraq...

How could ANYONE trust them??

As for the rest of the JCPOA, you are equally close-minded and not only do you only see things you want to see but, you see many things that are not there at all. How can we discuss the Iran nuclear agreement under those conditions?

How can we discuss the merits of the the Republican Party when ya'all have the attitude about them??

:D

That is something that is definitely in question and will be so long as too many of your national leaders and all three branches of government fail to act in the best interests of the nation.

We'll do just fine once we get rid of Democrat (so-called) "leaders"....

We had the same type of "decline" at the end of the Carter Administration..

We bounced back then...

We'll bounce back again...

Michale

That is something that is definitely in question and will be so long as too many of your national leaders and all three branches of government fail to act in the best interests of the nation.

... in incarceration rate. And maybe in Gini coefficient.

We're definitely in relative decline, and certainly the advantage in sheer size will go to China, India, and Brazil. (Why do people so often include Russia with those countries when listing them?) I don't think it's inevitable, though. The vast majority of the resources available to humanity are unclaimed by anyone, and there's no way of knowing whose robots will get to them first, under what financial arrangements.

You won't believe anything that the IAEA has to say when it releases its report detailing the possible military dimensions of Iran's nuclear program. So, where is the sense in continuing any discussion about it.

As for the rest of the JCPOA, you are equally close-minded and not only do you only see things you want to see but, you see many things that are not there at all. How can we discuss the Iran nuclear agreement under those conditions?

No, we don't.

Well, at least your honest about it.. :D

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Do you want me to cite all the violence and assaults committed by the BLM morons??

If you want to go shot for shot on violence, the Left will lose and lose big time..

Michale

Iran is DOING the HE-X testing at Parchin.. So what if the IAEA has direct line of site to the test...

Would you want the fox to guard the hen house, even if you had direct site??

Why take the risk??

Just another example of how the deal favors Iran... You can bet that this report will sway quite a few Democrats to the NO DEAL side of the fence...

You seem to forget that Iran is the bad guy here..

Why are we bending over backwards to accommodate them??

Oh yea, that's right..

Because Obama needs his legacy... :^/

Michale

If you have any facts that show the AP report is not factually accurate, by all means...

I recommend that you read all of the information contained within the link below but, please pay particular attention to the response to the AP report you cited here and to the section on access to Parchin.

https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/ArmsControlNow/08-20-2015/The-P5-plus-1-and-Iran-Nuclear-Deal-Alert-August-20

This is a clear example, Michale, of how you cherry pick your news and view it with an uncritical eye. You see only what you want to see and are seemingly unable to detect BS when you read it. Which, given your contributions here on this subject, shouldn't be too surprising.

If you have any facts that show the AP report is not factually accurate, by all means...

In lieu of such facts, the reports stand..

Iran will be able to conduct their own inspections under the auspices of the UN..

One thing that needs to change is that the Republican party has to change direction and stop being the party of anti-Enlightenment.

Yea... It's much better to be the Party of Koom-Bye-Yaa....

NOT...

Michale

America will inevitably decline as other powers such as Chine rise, economically, politically and militarily. That is the way of the world in which we live.

The important thing, though, is how America manages this decline to retain its global leadership role. I still have some faith left that the US will be capable of effectively managing its decline but a lot of things need to get back on track for that to happen.

One thing that needs to change is that the Republican party has to change direction and stop being the party of anti-Enlightenment.

"Not good enough anymore" meaning that it's no longer accurate to describe Americans that way? Meaning that we need a better description of how Americans got that way? Or meaning that it's no longer acceptable for Americans to continue to be that way? Or something else?

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that both parties are NOT contributing to the growing corruption of America's democracy with the approval, er, with the encouragement of the Supreme Court of the United States through the highest law of the land. That is, indeed, a very serious problem that needs to be rectified. But, it is not a reason to lump all Republicans and Democrats together. In fact, it is a reason to be far more discerning and to acknowledge the real American statesmen at every opportunity.

The argument that there is no difference or distinction between today's Republicans and Democrats, whatsoever, is a tired old argument that, if it wins, will ensure that Americans get the presidents they deserve for a very, very long time.

Not good for America and certainly not good for
the rest of us out in the world.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that both parties are contributing to the growing corruption of America's democracy with the approval, er, with the encouragement of the Supreme Court of the United States through the highest law of the land. That is a very serious problem that needs to be rectified. But, it is not a reason to lump all Republicans and Democrats together. In fact, it is a reason to be far more discerning and to acknowledge the real American statesmen at every opportunity.

For example, I'd like to see every FTP column highlight an American politician, regardless of political persuasion, who personifies real leadership, statesmanship and responsible and effective governing. And, there would be no shortage of candidates who represent the other end of the spectrum, as well.

"Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press."

This is a clear example, Michale, of how you cherry pick your news and view it with an uncritical eye. You see only what you want to see and are seemingly unable to detect BS when you read it. Which, given your contributions here on this subject, shouldn't be too surprising.

I predict we're gonna hear about all kinds of reports like this because Congress is all tied up in knots because the IAEA will not let them see what are confidential documents between the IAEA and various countries - including, I might add, the US and Israel.

You can't see that Congress is grasping at straws.

The the Congress Critters who are voting against the JCPOA will also vote to override Obama's veto?

Or that the UN has agreed to let Iran inspect some of their own sites??

Both are equally and documentably (an old word I just created :D) factual....

VIENNA (AP) -- Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-19-13-06-05

"Just the facts, ma'am.."
-Joe Friday

Michale

I don't think it will happen for a number of reasons. But I think it would more accurately reflect the growing frustration with Republocrat/Demicans.

-David

No, we don't.

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Yes, I've heard that nonsense before ... it's not good enough, anymore.

You know, Michale, that there is a difference with a distinction there, right?

The UN has agreed to allow IRAN to inspect it's own sensitive military sites...

Yea... GREAT deal... :^/

Michale

Of course, that's easy to SAY right now...

Michale

Nancy Pelosi will deliver.

I hate to admit it, but I am forced to agree with JFC....

Pelosi has proven time and again the is the epitome of the BY HOOK OR BY CROOK meme....

Michale

Nancy Pelosi will deliver.

Let's be factually accurate here..

Trump has PLENTY of "substance"... It's just that ya'all don't like it...

Trump's BUILD-A-WALL-AND-THROW-OUT-ALL-THE CRIMINALS platform has just as much substance/style as Sander's FREE-STUFF-FOR-EVERYONE-ALL-THE-TIME-AND-STICK-IT-TO-THE-RICH-TO-PAY-FOR-IT platform...

I am also constrained to point out that Independents will likely go massively for Trump, as Independents are completely against the Big Government/Cradle 2 Grave Welfare that Sanders espouses..

Put another way...

If the election were today and it was Sanders v Trump, Trump would win hands down and twice on Sunday...

Independents just don't buy anymore what the Democrat Party is selling...

Michale

The time for serious analysis is now, my friend.

In case you haven't noticed, I can't take 14 more months of this.

Seriously!

Do you really think it matters if Biden runs or not?

Relax. It's only August, we've got 14 more months of this. It's a time for daydreams and wild speculation, not serious analysis. We'll have plenty of time for that later.

Hey, where are you on the "think Biden's going to run" question?

John From Censornati [12] -

It's the same reason national news networks film every time the president goes anywhere. If there's going to be a catastrophic accident, they want to have film of it for the evening news. Same exact thing with Trump. "Will he blow this time? Who knows?!?"

-CW

"I don’t know if you saw his recent statement, he said the United States has to prove to Iraq that we have skin in the game. We spent $2 trillion thousands so lives lost, wounded warriors who I love all over the place, and he said we have to prove we have skin in the game. I think it may be one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever heard. Skin in the game."

Trump speaks in incoherent half sentences, but he's right about JEB.

That the Great Wall of Trump will be beautiful and classy.

They have to go!

He lied about how many people were in his audience, but he did mention that JEB was holding forth a couple of blocks away and that the few people in attendance were probably sleeping. MSNBC switched to a double screen with JEB's, and sure enough, it looked like people were snoozing.

Gleaming faces in the checkout counter at the Church of Fame
The lucky winners cheer Casino Nation
All those not on TV only have themselves to blame and don't quite seem to understand the way the hammer shapes the hand

Out beyond the ethernet the spectrum spreads
DC to daylight, the cowboy mogul rides
Never worry where the gold for all this glory's gonna come from
Get along dogies, it's coming out of your hides

The intentional cultivation of a criminal class
The future lit by brightly burning bridges
Justice fully clothed to hide the heart of glass
That shatters in a thousand Ruby Ridges
And everywhere the good prepare for perpetual war and let their weapons shape the plan the way the hammer shapes the hand

- Jackson Browne

Because they're (normal) Americans. It's just what we do in this country. We were separated from most of the world by oceans, Canada and Mexico were no threat, and the Indians died the moment we sneezed at them. Then we were a superpower, and it was a point of pride that we didn't have to care what the rest of the world thought (as long as the USSR didn't actually launch their ICBMs).

Leela: Look, I know there are no car chases but this is important. One of these two men will become president of the world.

Fry: Wow! I have been gone a long time.
--Futurama, "A Head in the Polls"