Yea.. I think the same thing about Bernie Sanders, the guy who has dreams about raping women... :^/

Michale

Then the establishment GOP candidate steps in to rescue America from the nutters.

Though ... part of me is rooting for Trump to win the primary because of the sheer entertainment value. Imagine the new levels of idiocracy!

-David

What "concern"?? What are you blathering about???

Trollbot?? I thought you said I was a CHATbot??

Make up yer mind, sonny.. Or take another hit... :D

Michale

Dismissed.. :D

Michale

It's already been well-established by myself and every other Weigantian that I am not a chat-bot..

You are the ONLY one who makes this claim..

And the more you respond to my posts the more you prove to everyone who full of carp you really are.. :D

By all means, continue.. It amuses me. :D

Your amply demonstrated flawed "logic" and disastrously poor reading comprehension combined with your habitual erection of strawmen

huh.. hu uh huh.. he said 'erection'
-Beavis & Butthead

:D

Michale

Your amply demonstrated flawed "logic" and disastrously poor reading comprehension combined with your habitual erection of strawmen tend to make me think that I should probably disregard it when you say that "all of Weigantia" is interpreting human behavior and the English language the same twisted way that you do, but thanks for caring.

The more you whine about not being a chatbot, the more you sound like a chatbot. You realize that, right?

Every time you quote me and respond to my comments, you are telling all of Weigantia that you don't REALLY believe that I am a chat bot...

You realize that, right? :D

Michale

I won't bother to go thru the archives and bring out the quotes where you agree that Hillary is untrustworthy and is not the best choice for POTUS...

Because everyone here, including you, KNOW that you have stated such... :D

But, thanx for playing. :D

I'd think you'd been smoking Quaaludes.

Sorry, ur the local druggie around here, not I.

My anti-drug Nazism is well established.. :D

Michale

Wow. This bizarre and baseless assertion really is the icing on the fruitcake. Unless you have suddenly decided that HilRod is the most likely person to become the next president and that she would make a better one than any Republican, then we don't agree on Hillary. If I wasn't already familiar with your habit of attributing the things that the voices in your head say to other people, I'd think you'd been smoking Quaaludes.

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's camp fears a new 'bimbo eruption' will put the kibosh on candidacy - especially from Gennifer Flowers who claimed Bill liked to be blindfolded and tied up with silk scarves and called his wife 'Hilla the Hun'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180398/Hillary-Clinton-s-camp-fears-new-bimbo-eruption-kibosh-candidacy-especially-Gennifer-Flowers-claimed-Bill-liked-blindfolded-tied-silk-scarves-called-wife-Hilla-Hun.html

Why the Democrat Party ever thought that Clinton was a viable candidate is beyond me....

Michale

I can name quite a few world leaders that are Trump-esque...

How the GOP candidates handle Trump will be a very good indicator as to how they will handle a Putin or a Kim or a Netanyahu...

Michale

Even JFC and I agree on Hillary! :D

Michale

Michale

Clinton just seems like a mismatch for the party and the moment. The center-left darling of Wall Street talking up issues of inequality. The former Walmart board member posing as savior of American jobs. The "Smart Power" leader whose achievement at state was wrecking a nation and turning it over to Sunni terrorists faster than George W. Bush. A champion of women who pretended the leader of the free world was the victim of his intern. The wife of a man who flies on the "Lolita Express" with a porn star that was booked for "massages." The vanquisher of a Yonkers mayor.

Is this really the best the Democrats can do? Yes, and that should worry them.
http://theweek.com/articles/569184/astonishing-weakness-hillary-clinton

Now THAT is snark... :D

oh Democrats, oh Democrats...

How low ya'all have sunk that your savior is Hillary Clinton...

Michale

It will be entertaining to watch the entirety of the Left's head's explode when Trump moves into the White House..

Can't happen, ya'all say??

Well, ya'all said that Trump would never even make it this far..

Ya'all said Trump would implode and whither away after his McCain comments..

Ya'all don't have a very good track record on Trump...

Am I wrong? :D

Michale

"Prepping for this debate is like prepping for a NASCAR race where everyone knows the lead driver is going to be driving drunk.."

:D

Michale

http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-voters-see-in-donald-trump-1438301641

:D

Now, ya'all can easily see the HOW.....

Michale

She sits on her throne and wonders why no one likes her..

"I only execute those who disagree with me!! Everyone can AND does likes me!!"

Clinton's descent into un-electable hell will not be a pretty sight to witness....

RE #43

Well, I am sure glad you are "through" with Trump... :D heh

dsws,

A Trump/Clinton general would be interesting. Sort of an immovable object / irresistible force situation.

Have you read the latest Paglia and the latest Clinton scandal-a-day marathons??

I am coming back around to my original thinking that Clinton might not survive the primary.. :D

Michale

Hillary has to lose, because elections are decided by turnout and she guarantees 100% Republican turnout and suppresses Democratic turnout.

The Donald has to lose, because he's seen by the apolitical majority as a buffoon who can't be taken seriously as a presidential candidate, and essentially all votes in a presidential general election are cast by the apolitical majority.

Any third-party / independent candidate has to lose, because they're a third-party / independent candidate.

But someone has to win, because it's the rules.

Billionaire bubble delusion mixed with spectacular lack of imagination. He does actually make Trump sound sane.

Trump re: JEB - "He can't even put on a tie and jacket. He's running for president. Maybe he knows something I don't know. Maybe I should take it off because I want to be one of everybody. You know what? You run for president, maybe put on a tie."

Trump re: Rubio - "And by the way, I have better hair than he does, believe me."

Trump re: Walker – "He brings me this beautiful plaque. I don't know who pays for it. Does he pay for that or does Wisconsin pay for it?"

Trump re: Perry – "He should be forced to take an IQ test before being allowed to enter the GOP debate."

Trump re: Graham - "He doesn't seem like a very bright guy. He actually probably seems to me not as bright as Rick Perry. I think Rick Perry probably is smarter than Lindsey Graham."

Trump re: Fiorina & Santorum – "How do you run for office, and lose by huge margins — I won’t say who — but they lose by these massive margins. And then you're "Oh, that's okay, now I'll run for president."

Trump re: Cruz – "He was born in Canada, if you know, and when we all studied our history lessons, you're supposed to be born in this country, so I just don't know how the courts would rule on it."

"No, I made the promise that I would not and I will keep that promise. And the reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States.” - Bernie Sanders

I loved the one about the USA not building bridges any more. They're building two bridges across the Ohio River in Louisville right now. It would've happened a long time ago except for a NIMBY spat with a wealthy enclave (they lost).

"And the "terrific" is?" - Bash

"The terrific will be plans that blah blah blah . . . Now, at the lower end where people have no money, I want to try and help those people and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that." - Trump

This guy speaks truth to power and doesn't back down. Replace the socialism with terrific socialism!

So why is Trump a "clown" and Bernie is all right??

Because Bernie says what the Left wants to hear... :D

The power of the almighty '-x' :D

Michale

I was actually thinking of me, but yer right. And I have stated it before...

Trump and Bernie are two sides of the same coin... :D

Not really. While U.S. and Israeli national interests frequently coincide (That's what makes us nominally allies after all.), they don't always do so. And the U.S. would be foolish to pursue Israeli national interests over and to the detriment of American ones.

So, what interests does it serves to give Israel the finger and Iran BJs???

Michale

"When a US President puts the interests of Iran before the interests of Israel, you just HAVE to know that said US President is totally whacked in the foreign policy department.."

Not really. While U.S. and Israeli national interests frequently coincide (That's what makes us nominally allies after all.), they don't always do so. And the U.S. would be foolish to pursue Israeli national interests over and to the detriment of American ones. Sometimes, strategically, American national interests are going to coincide with those of Iran where the two will cooperate together also. That's just the way it is. Historically, just ask any national security advisor under Eisenhower or Nixon or Ford, for example. Or any chess player when there is multiple players.

"And ya'all just CAN'T have that happening, eh? Ya'all's heads would explode.. :D"

Not Really.

"He ain't politically correct and he is right more often than he is wrong and he is right a LOT more often than people give him credit for..
Hmmmmmm Who does THAT remind you of!? :D"

Bernie Sanders of course! Trump is politically popular on the right for almost the same reasons that Sanders is so popular on the left. It just depends on your world viewpoint on who you agree with as being more right.

But both men as candidates are saying what they believe to be true, without consulting poll numbers first to see which way the wind is blowing, regardless of what their political handlers tell them to say, and without trying to appease big money contributors, etc. And that is what people are responding to. Both are generating their respective grassroots support.

Actually, he is wrong [politifact.com] vastly more often than he is right. A recently unconstipated horse could give the Donald a run for his money on the amount of crap he spews...

Sanctions alone, in perpetuity, could not work to stop Iran's illicit nuclear programme. You need only review our recent history with Iran to know that.

The only reason sanctions have worked to bring Iran to the negotiating table to restrict its nuclear program is because those sanctions are comprehensive and multilateral. The Obama administration was successful in bringing the entire UN Security Council and European Union on board with a sanctions regime that is unprecedented in its scope and severity. This was the Obama Doctrine, in action, by the way. Which I will lay out in greater detail for you, someday. If you're lucky. :)

Now, if Iran refused to agree to the deal it was being offered by the P5+1, then you could make a good wager that the sanctions would have been left in place, if not further strengthened. Iran would remain isolated, stuck with a crippled economy, yet fully capable of realizing many of its nuclear ambitions. Because, we have already seen that even under the strongest sanctions regime ever imposed on a country in the history of the world, Iran was able to move its nuclear programme significantly forward.

On the other hand, if the US Congress rejects a deal that the rest of the P5+1 countries worked so long and hard to achieve and that they all whole-heartedly support, then it will be the US, not Iran, that finds itself isolated from the international community on this issue - and on many other critical issues, for that matter - with all of the catastrophic consequences that would surely follow such a foolhardy move.

Only a fantasist would argue that sanctions could remain in place or be strengthened if the US rejects the JCPOA. You see, Michale, your sanctions arguments lack context and, therefore, are devoid of any meaningful substance.

My questions for you: Why would you wish to reject a deal before we find out if it can be fully implemented, verified, monitored and enforced BEFORE we resort to any military option? And, is the US military prepared to go it alone in starting a war with Iran and will the American people support yet another long and costly war in the Middle East, especially without having exhausted all of the diplomatic otpions?

Most people aren't paying close attention to politics.

Polls have low predictive power when there are 16 going on 17 candidates.

Fundamentals are probably more important than polls at this stage, but who knows?

If history actually repeated itself we would already know.

We are all political junkies here, so none of the above can keep us from hyperfocusing on what amounts to noise plus a tiny amount of signal.

You can substitute hyperventilating for hyperfocusing in the previous sentence.

My last update killed spell check. I will try to fix it later.

So far, I've only noticed that I can't comment here on the JCPOA. :(

And they would claim YOU are wrong..

And so it goes.. :D

Could it be that anything that is cut and pasted will no longer make it into a comment for me? Does this have something to do with my free upgrade to Windows 10??

I am sure it's a temporary thing..

How do you like Windows 10?? I love it, but predict a VERY busy time at my shop over the next couple weeks.. :D

Very strange ...

Sanctions have been PROVEN to work...Continuing the sanctions was the ONLY logical response to Iran.. ... NOW, thanks to Obama's deal, the *ONLY* way to stop Iran *IS* with War... Overt or covert, but war is the ONLY option now..

Sanctions alone, in perpetuity, could not work to stop Iran's illicit nuclear program. You need only review our recent history with Iran to know that.

The only reason sanctions have worked to bring Iran to the negotiating table to restrict its nuclear programme is because they are comprehensive and multilateral. The Obama administration was successful in bringing the entire UN Security Council and European Union on board with a sanctions regime unprecedented in its scope and severity. This was the Obama Doctrine, in action, by the way. Which I will lay out for you in further detail, someday. If you're lucky. :)

Now, if Iran had refused to agree to the deal it was being offered by the P5+1, then you could have placed a good bet that the sanctions would have been left in place, if not further strengthened. Iran would remain isolated, stuck with a crippled economy, yet fully capable of realizing many of its nuclear ambitions. Because, we have already seen that even under the strongest sanctions regime ever imposed on a country in the history of the world, Iran was able to move its nuclear program significantly forward.

On the other hand, if the US Congress rejects a deal that the rest of the P5+1 countries worked so long and hard to achieve and that they all whole-heartedly support, then it will be the US, not Iran, that finds itself isolated from the international community on this issue - and on many other critical issues, for that matter - with all of the catastrophic consequences that would surely follow such a foolhardy move.

Only a fantasist would argue that sanctions could remain in place or be strengthened if the US rejects the JCPOA. You see, Michale, your sanctions arguments lack context and, therefore, are devoid of any meaningful substance.

My questions for you: Why would you wish to reject a deal before we find out if it can be fully implemented, verified, monitored and enforced BEFORE we resort to any military option? And, is the US military prepared to go it alone in starting a war with Iran and will the American people support yet another long war in the Middle East?

And, they would be wrong, naturally.

Funny thing is, I bet they would say the same about those who support this deal.. :D

Michale

You know, the irony is that on the issue of the JCPOA, the interests of the US and Israel do indeed align, perfectly.

The problem is that the US Congress and the powerful Israeli lobby are too blind to see that.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is one glaring example of where the interests of Israel and the US diverge, substantially.

When the US Congress puts the "interests" of Israel before the interests of their own nation, you just HAVE to know that said Congress is totally whacked. Period. Full stop.

I disagree..

Because, more often than not, there is no daylight between the interests of this country and the interests of Israel..

You have said so yourself on more than one occasion... I believe "No Daylight" were your exact words..

Michale

BTW - gambling requires two to tango.

And here you are... :D

Michale

"There is little evidence that his ideas are weirder or more destructive or really even different than those of Foster Friess, Sheldon Adelson, the Kochs, or any other out-of-touch billionaire currently buying politicians. Trump has simply removed the middleman."

Oh, I agree.

Donald Trump is quite representative of the anti-Enlightenment, pro-corporate Republican Party. Which is why Chris should not be so amused by Trump's campaign.

When a US President puts the interests of Iran before the interests of Israel, you just HAVE to know that said US President is totally whacked in the foreign policy department..

Try this on for size ...

When the US Congress puts the "interests" of Israel before the interests of their own nation, you just HAVE to know that said Congress is totally whacked. Period. Full stop.

Republicans and Democrats alike are doing just that in their asinine opposition to the JCPOA.

I always knew that Prime Minister Netanyahu and the powerful supporters of Israel in America held great sway over the legislative branch of the US government but, their influence over the debate in Congress on the nuclear deal with Iran has been a real eye-opener for me in demonstrating just how far they will go down the unenlightened path of self-destruction.

BTW - gambling requires two to tango.

What's 20K times 100?? :D

Michale

"he, and all that he represents, is going to destroy America"

There is little evidence that his ideas are weirder or more destructive or really even different than those of Foster Friess, Sheldon Adelson, the Kochs, or any other out-of-touch billionaire currently buying politicians. Trump has simply removed the middleman.

He can't do any worse than Obama and the Democrats have done...

It would be refreshing to have a POTUS who actually CARED about this country and would tell off the likes of Iranians fanatics or Putin etc etc...

I don't know about ya'all but I am getting kind of sick and tired of having our leader bowing (figuratively AND literally) to every two-bit dictator and scumbag leader on the planet...

When a US President puts the interests of Iran before the interests of Israel, you just HAVE to know that said US President is totally whacked in the foreign policy department..

Michale

Just to be clear ...

Donald Trump is no Governor Schwarzenegger!

Governor Schwarzenegger is what we like to call an up-wing type candidate, which, to paraphrase another favourite political analyst from California, is a futurist looking to new technology, creative utilizations of existing technology, and new structural forms to pursue enduring values and new visions; a political leader who places a special emphasis on big think/think big future-oriented policies.

You'll find Donald Trump at the other end of the spectrum, if not off the scale, altogether; he's a down-wing type candidate, anti-Enlightenment with a small politics orientation.

To your credit, you have the text of the JCPOA down to a tee..

But as we have learned so much in the last 6 years, what it says on paper or what politicians say it says is far FAR different from what actually happens when the rubber meets the road..

Remember, "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan"??

No, I think the only thing that will settle this discussion is time...

It will come to pass, sooner rather than later, that Iran will be caught cheating. Caught totally and completely dirty... And absolutely nothing will happen as a consequence..

If we're REALLY lucky, it will be the October Surprise...

I have it easy... If I am going to be proved right (and I am sure I will be) it will happen sooner rather than later..

Ya'all that support the JCPOA are going to have to wait 10-15 years for vindication.. :D

Michale

Governor Schwarzenegger was what we like to call an up-wing type candidate, a futurist looking to new technology, creative utilizations of existing technology, and new structural forms to pursue enduring values and new visions; a political leader who places a special emphasis on big think/think big future-oriented policies.

You'll find Donald Trump, on the other hand, at the other end of the spectrum, if not off the scale, altogether; he's a down-wing type candidate, anti-Enlightenment with a small politics orientation.

I can't seem to post anything more than a word or two at a time on that other Trump thread - how come there are so many Trump threads around here, anyway!!?? - so I might continue our Iran discussion right here ...

He ain't politically correct and he is right more often than he is wrong and he is right a LOT more often than people give him credit for..

Hmmmmmm Who does THAT remind you of!? :D

This latest McCain kerfluffle is a perfect example...

Michale

No other Republican (all 16 of them) has polled above 20 percent yet. Trump has. I have to take that into account.

Yes, you do. But, my point was that you need to be taking a lot more than that into account when it comes to Donald Trump. Or, while you find him and his 'Build a Better America' campaign so amusing, he, and all that he represents, is going to destroy America ... if I may be allowed a bit of hyperbole ...

Yea??

20,000 Quatloos, with 100-1 odds, says yer not through with Trump...

:D

Michale

Since when has "experience" been a requirement??? :D

Not since 2008 anyways.. :D

The thing ya'all don't get about Trump is that ya'all DON'T GET how Trump can be so popular...

Once ya'all come to grips with the WHY, ya'all will understand the HOW...

The problem is that, by facing the WHY, you'll come to realize that Trump makes a lot of sense..

And ya'all just CAN'T have that happening, eh? Ya'all's heads would explode.. :D

Michale

Oh, no, I still find him amusing as all get-out. But I am taking his chances in the primaries a little more seriously now.

No other Republican (all 16 of them) has polled above 20 percent yet. Trump has. I have to take that into account.

dsws -

Yeah, you're right. And polling shifts over time, too. However, we here in California had two terms of Governor Schwarzenegger, and Jesse Ventura has also been a governor. Sometimes people vote for these folks, not just respond to a poll. Not always, but it can happen.

John From Censornati -

Now THERE'S the debate I would really like to see -- Donald Trump versus Triumph the insult comic dog. Hoo boy -- I'd even buy that on pay-per-view!!

Heh.

-CW

LOL! She's a vicious, horrible person. For using a breast pump? Or maybe for telling on him?

Wouldn't this actually involve more than giving insult comedy press conferences?

Is there anyone currently officially running for POTUS who you believe is eminently qualified and competent to effectively deal with the critical issues of the day, domestically and internationally?

(This is just a test)