Then you obviously haven't read everything.. :D

This law is nothing more than putting one groups rights before the rights of another group..

In and of itself, that's not that big of a deal. It happens all the time..

What makes THIS such a big deal is that the group being persecuted is protected by the VERY FIRST part of the VERY FIRST Amendment of the US Constitution..

To put it into context that ya'all would readily understand, it would be as if the courts forced Left Wingers to actively support, defend, encourage AND facilitate the Citizens United ruling..

I bet if THAT were to happen, ya'all would be screaming from the rooftops to the high heavens...

It's all nice and easy.. Until it's ya'all who are on the receiving end of the persecution..

"It's all fun and games til someone gets shot in the leg!!!!"
-AJ, ARMAGEDDON

:D

Michale

I don't think the issue can be refined any better than this.

"He has been brought up on insubordination several times!"
"General, I've read your own file. Puuhleese...."
-STARGATE ATLANTIS

:D

Michale

It's not based on MORALS or ETHICS...

It's based SOLELY and COMPLETELY on partisan ideology..

Even here in Weigantia... For months, I have been bringing up the gay hairdresser in New Mexico who refused to provide services to the GOP Governor..

His position??

"I have the right to refuse service to anyone I want!!"

Sound familiar??

And this bigot was treated like a conquering hero by the Left...

Only ONE person here in Weigantia condemned the actions of this bigot..

ONE person..

So to the Left I say,

"Oh Puhleeeze... Your condemnation of christians who discriminate is not based on any morality or ethics.. It is solely and completely based on your political ideology. Your partisan agenda.... Booo Hoooo... Cry me a river.."

You want to end discrimination against gay people??

Fine and dandy.... Knock yerselves out..

But don't insult my intelligence and pretend that it's all based on a moral foundation...

It isn't...

It's nothing more than pushing a partisan agenda at the expense of those who don't think the same....

Michale

Am I wrong???

Michale

I find that weird to the point.... PAST the point of absurdity...

Michale

Well, aww right... :D

Or put another way..

"The ends justifies the means"

I love it!! :D

Michale

I was resoundingly ridiculed for suggesting that the Left thought of being gay as a race..

It's true.. He who laughs last DOES laugh best!! :D

Because being gay is NOT a choice.

That's your opinion that does have some science to back it up..

Other people have the opposite opinion and they ALSO have science to back it up...

My personal view??

"Being born that way" is the gay person's version of a christian's "The Devil made me do it"..

Absolves them of any and all personal responsibility...

Michale

Did you? I thought we discussed it before hand but that you never actually took the Sherman..

If so, my bust... :D

NO< IT WOULD NOT. Stopping Christians from being able to discriminate against NON-Christians is NOT discrimination AGAINST Christians. Pure and simple.

Not allowing christians to follow the scriptures of their religion, to practice their religion as they see fit IS discrimination against christians.

Pure and simple...

Then why aren't Christians practicing what they preach? Why aren't Christians being tolerant and respectful Michale???

Why are fanatical muslims beheading infidels and shooting up recruiting stations??

Because it's their religion....

That WOULD have been the tolerant AND respectful thing to do, would it not???

So, what you are saying is it's ok to be discriminatory and intolerant of christians because they were discriminatory and intolerant first..

Hay, don't get me wrong. That's a perfectly valid, if a tad childish, reason...

So, in other words, the Left has decided that in order to FIGHT the monster, they must BECOME the monster...

Well, aww right... :D

Michale

"In other words, it would make the gay lifestyle choice equivalent to a race.."

In that point, I agree with you, you are CORRECT for ONCE. Because being gay is NOT a choice. Just like being heterosexual is NOT a choice. Being sexually active or not IS a choice, but that is NOT the same as ORIENTATION. I can be gay and BE a virgin.

"It would legalize discrimination against christians.."

NO< IT WOULD NOT. Stopping Christians from being able to discriminate against NON-Christians is NOT discrimination AGAINST Christians. Pure and simple.

"If you want tolerance, BE TOLERANT..

If you want respect, BE RESPECTFUL..."

Then why aren't Christians practicing what they preach? Why aren't Christians being tolerant and respectful Michale??? If they were, they would NOT have opposed gay marriage in the first place! That WOULD have been the tolerant AND respectful thing to do, would it not???

"At the time, I asked if ANYONE was willing to take a Sherman in defense of religious freedom..

Nobody wanted to..."

Actually Michale, you are WRONG. I DID. And I STILL DO. But being able to persecute someone else because of your religion when that other person does not share your religion, and no longer being able to do so, is NOT the same as being persecuted FOR YOUR OWN RELIGION. I don't understand why you keep failing to grasp that simple concept.

Christians can still hold their beliefs, practice their beliefs, etc. They are not forced to perform a gay marriage ceremony in THEIR religion or House of Worship, NOR WILL THEY EVER BE.

What they cannot do is IMPOSE their religion on someone else, force someone else to LIVE by THEIR religious rules. They can still discriminate in the PRIVATE sphere as much as they want. Not being able to DISCRIMINATE in the PUBLIC sphere, is NOT REVERSE DISCRIMINATION.

Look at it this way. If I am a Moslem, and my religion says I must kill you because you are a Christian, and I am not allowed to do so, aren't you persecuting ME for MY religion by NOT allowing me to kill you? That is essentially what you are arguing regarding Christians and gays. Don't you see how ridiculous a position that is???

:D

Michale

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Freedom from religious persecution is...

It's that simple...

Michale

That's the point ya'all just never own up to..

It works both ways...

If you want tolerance, BE TOLERANT..

If you want respect, BE RESPECTFUL...

It's not rocket science.. It's common sense...

Michale

Like I said.. The Left doesn't mind discrimination and bigotry..

As long as it's the RIGHT people being discriminated against.

Now the Left wants to codify that attitude into law...

Michale

Actually it's not, by why quibble... :D

This legislation is pretty much the end of the road for gay rights and the law, because it would add LGBT people to the list of those groups covered by the 1964 Civil Rights Act

In other words, it would make the gay lifestyle choice equivalent to a race..

ANOTHER thing that Weigantians strenuously argued AGAINST in recent history..

Two fer....

This would give federal protection from discrimination to all Americans, which is the whole point.

EXCEPT for those who want religious freedom..

It would legalize discrimination against christians..

Basically what the Left is saying is that it should be illegal to discriminate, but ONLY against those who are politically/ideologically acceptable..

Those who are NOT politically/ideologically acceptable??

Discriminate away!! The Left has no problem with that..

Yea.. Nice attitude..

Michale

It was widely expressed here in Weigantia that the FIRST PART of the FIRST AMENDMENT is sacrosanct and that NO ONE "would ever" try to deprive a person of the right to freedom of religion..

At the time, I asked if ANYONE was willing to take a Sherman in defense of religious freedom..

Nobody wanted to...

Now we know why... :D

Michale