Comments on: Hillary And Bernie http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/ Reality-based political commentary Wed, 29 Apr 2026 10:55:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61324 Michale Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:42:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61324 <I>Hillary's million dollar speeches are a symptom of a number of interconnected problems, not the cause. Nor is she alone in commanding these types of fees -- if you want to talk about why some people get paid a lot to speak, you can. But if you single her out as though she's the only beneficiary of this type of largesse there's no point in further discussion.</I> Fair enough... But I would argue that she is the only politician running for POTUS who commands those kinds of fees... If you know of another, I'll refer to Ross Perot.. <B>"I am all ears...."</B> :D But whether or not it's a symptom or a cause, the simple fact is no one here wants to address it when it's a symptom/cause from the Left..... THAT is my point... Until anyone here can take a Lefty to task for the things ya'all take Rightys to task, it's nothing more than partisan BS... You want to condemn $$$ in politics, then condemn ALL $$$ in politics.. Not just the $$$ from the Right... You want to slam the Koch Brothers?? Fine.. Then slam George Soros... You want to slam Nelson Adelson?? Fine.. Then slam Warren Buffett... You hate CITIZENS UNITED?? Fine... Then slam the LEFTY SuperPacs that epitomize CU... Because, if you don't, you show that your condemnation is Party motivated and designed to help the Party OVER Middle Class Americans... That's all I am saying... Michale Hillary's million dollar speeches are a symptom of a number of interconnected problems, not the cause. Nor is she alone in commanding these types of fees -- if you want to talk about why some people get paid a lot to speak, you can. But if you single her out as though she's the only beneficiary of this type of largesse there's no point in further discussion.

Fair enough...

But I would argue that she is the only politician running for POTUS who commands those kinds of fees...

If you know of another, I'll refer to Ross Perot..

"I am all ears...."

:D

But whether or not it's a symptom or a cause, the simple fact is no one here wants to address it when it's a symptom/cause from the Left.....

THAT is my point...

Until anyone here can take a Lefty to task for the things ya'all take Rightys to task, it's nothing more than partisan BS...

You want to condemn $$$ in politics, then condemn ALL $$$ in politics..

Not just the $$$ from the Right...

You want to slam the Koch Brothers?? Fine..

Then slam George Soros...

You want to slam Nelson Adelson?? Fine..

Then slam Warren Buffett...

You hate CITIZENS UNITED?? Fine...

Then slam the LEFTY SuperPacs that epitomize CU...

Because, if you don't, you show that your condemnation is Party motivated and designed to help the Party OVER Middle Class Americans...

That's all I am saying...

Michale

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61321 Paula Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:02:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61321 <em>Then let's discuss Hillary's million dollar an hour speeches... </em> Hillary's million dollar speeches are a symptom of a number of interconnected problems, not the cause. Nor is she alone in commanding these types of fees -- if you want to talk about why some people get paid a lot to speak, you can. But if you single her out as though she's the only beneficiary of this type of largesse there's no point in further discussion. Then let's discuss Hillary's million dollar an hour speeches...

Hillary's million dollar speeches are a symptom of a number of interconnected problems, not the cause. Nor is she alone in commanding these types of fees -- if you want to talk about why some people get paid a lot to speak, you can. But if you single her out as though she's the only beneficiary of this type of largesse there's no point in further discussion.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61305 Michale Thu, 09 Jul 2015 08:54:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61305 <I>When ya'all start clamping down on your leaders then I will believe that it's serious..</I> For example, I have been saying for years that the REAL Unemployment figures are upwards of 10% and have been resoundingly condemned and ridiculed for it.. Now the Socialist Hero says the EXACT same thing??? {{chhiiirrrrrppppp}} {{chiiirrrrrrppppp}} Not a peep.... Michale When ya'all start clamping down on your leaders then I will believe that it's serious..

For example, I have been saying for years that the REAL Unemployment figures are upwards of 10% and have been resoundingly condemned and ridiculed for it..

Now the Socialist Hero says the EXACT same thing???

{{chhiiirrrrrppppp}} {{chiiirrrrrrppppp}}

Not a peep....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61303 Michale Thu, 09 Jul 2015 08:50:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61303 <I>There needs to be more money at the bottom and/or throughout. The stuff at the top is wasted. Put it in the pockets of working people and they will keep it moving and everyone benefits.</I> Fine... Then let's discuss Hillary's million dollar an hour speeches... No?? You see, that's my point.. Ya'all have all these grandiose ideas on how to make middle class lives better.. But ya'all refuse to take care of your own house first.. You always want to start with the house across the aisle... THAT is why I find it so hard to take all these claims and ideas seriously. Because I know for a fact they are borne of partisan ideology.. When ya'all start clamping down on your leaders then I will believe that it's serious.. Michale There needs to be more money at the bottom and/or throughout. The stuff at the top is wasted. Put it in the pockets of working people and they will keep it moving and everyone benefits.

Fine...

Then let's discuss Hillary's million dollar an hour speeches...

No??

You see, that's my point..

Ya'all have all these grandiose ideas on how to make middle class lives better..

But ya'all refuse to take care of your own house first.. You always want to start with the house across the aisle...

THAT is why I find it so hard to take all these claims and ideas seriously. Because I know for a fact they are borne of partisan ideology..

When ya'all start clamping down on your leaders then I will believe that it's serious..

Michale

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61291 Paula Thu, 09 Jul 2015 00:09:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61291 http://civicskunkworks.com/our-dystopian-15-nightmare-continues-seattles-jobless-rate-drops-to-4-3-percent/ Seattle is seeing a number of benefits resulting from their increasing minimum wage. The economy doesn't work simply because there is 'x' amount of dollars in it, it works when those dollars circulate. Way too much money is sitting at the top of our insane pyramid, not circulating, and the economy as a whole is limping, and people below the midline are struggling. There needs to be more money at the bottom and/or throughout. The stuff at the top is wasted. Put it in the pockets of working people and they will keep it moving and everyone benefits. http://civicskunkworks.com/our-dystopian-15-nightmare-continues-seattles-jobless-rate-drops-to-4-3-percent/

Seattle is seeing a number of benefits resulting from their increasing minimum wage.

The economy doesn't work simply because there is 'x' amount of dollars in it, it works when those dollars circulate. Way too much money is sitting at the top of our insane pyramid, not circulating, and the economy as a whole is limping, and people below the midline are struggling.

There needs to be more money at the bottom and/or throughout. The stuff at the top is wasted. Put it in the pockets of working people and they will keep it moving and everyone benefits.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61285 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:01:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61285 OH MY GODS!!!! <B>“When you talk about the economy, we also have to have an honest assessment of unemployment in America. Once a month the government publishes a set of figures, and the last figures they published said that official unemployment was 5.4 percent. But there is another set of government statistics and that says that real unemployment, if you include those people who have given up looking for work and the millions of others who are working part-time 20, 25 hours a week when they want to work full-time, if you add all of that together, real unemployment is 10.5 percent."</B> -Bernie Sanders NOW he's gone and done it!!!! He has contradicted The Messiah!! :D Wonder who will support Bernie after THAT, eh?? :D Michale OH MY GODS!!!!

“When you talk about the economy, we also have to have an honest assessment of unemployment in America. Once a month the government publishes a set of figures, and the last figures they published said that official unemployment was 5.4 percent.

But there is another set of government statistics and that says that real unemployment, if you include those people who have given up looking for work and the millions of others who are working part-time 20, 25 hours a week when they want to work full-time, if you add all of that together, real unemployment is 10.5 percent."
-Bernie Sanders

NOW he's gone and done it!!!!

He has contradicted The Messiah!! :D

Wonder who will support Bernie after THAT, eh?? :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61282 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:40:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61282 <I>It's like the military.. Sure, you keep your troops welfare in mind... But the needs of the service come first.. ALWAYS.... Without fail....</I> <B>"You keep your priorities straight. Your mission and your men."</B> -Gene Hackman, CRIMSON TIDE :D Michale It's like the military..

Sure, you keep your troops welfare in mind...

But the needs of the service come first..

ALWAYS....

Without fail....

"You keep your priorities straight. Your mission and your men."
-Gene Hackman, CRIMSON TIDE

:D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61279 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:20:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61279 A business who puts their employees before ANY other consideration simply won't be a business for long... Again, this is the reality of business... Michale A business who puts their employees before ANY other consideration simply won't be a business for long...

Again, this is the reality of business...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61278 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:08:49 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61278 <I>Actually they are built on both. But the needs of the business comes first...</I> It's like the military.. Sure, you keep your troops welfare in mind... But the needs of the service come first.. ALWAYS.... Without fail.... So it is with business... You can argue against the reality all you want.. But it IS the reality of business... Michale Actually they are built on both.

But the needs of the business comes first...

It's like the military..

Sure, you keep your troops welfare in mind...

But the needs of the service come first..

ALWAYS....

Without fail....

So it is with business...

You can argue against the reality all you want..

But it IS the reality of business...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61277 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:06:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61277 <I>Actually they are built on both. </I> But the needs of the business comes first... Paying people just because they need money isn't work.. It's welfare... Michale Actually they are built on both.

But the needs of the business comes first...

Paying people just because they need money isn't work..

It's welfare...

Michale

]]> By: dsws http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61276 dsws Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:01:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61276 <i>Of course there are consequences for raising the minimum wage ...</i> Rather than discussing whether to raise the minimum wage, what about discussing what's the best level for a minimum wage? A minimum wage, theoretically, should cause some unemployment under certain conditions. But it should decrease unemployment under other conditions. Saving always equals investment. Unemployment happens when intended saving exceeds intended investment: output decreases until they match. If income is diverted from people who want to save to people who will want to consume, that will decrease intended saving. If near-minimum-wage workers are concentrated in non-cyclical sectors, increasing minimum wage should increase demand in cyclical sectors. The main reason that people expect minimum wage to cause unemployment is a fallacy of composition. If one firm were required to pay its lowest-paid workers more, it wouldn't be able to hire as many. If it tried, it would lose market share to its competitors. But if all firms that hire low-wage workers are required to pay more, their competitors are all in the same boat. There's no one to lose market share to. If one firm were required to pay its lowest-paid workers more, the effect on the whole economy would be essentially nothing. So effects like increased aggregate demand don't come into play. But if all such firms are required to pay more, the effects on the whole economy may be more important than those on the markets for specific goods. Of course there are consequences for raising the minimum wage ...

Rather than discussing whether to raise the minimum wage, what about discussing what's the best level for a minimum wage?

A minimum wage, theoretically, should cause some unemployment under certain conditions. But it should decrease unemployment under other conditions.

Saving always equals investment. Unemployment happens when intended saving exceeds intended investment: output decreases until they match. If income is diverted from people who want to save to people who will want to consume, that will decrease intended saving. If near-minimum-wage workers are concentrated in non-cyclical sectors, increasing minimum wage should increase demand in cyclical sectors.

The main reason that people expect minimum wage to cause unemployment is a fallacy of composition. If one firm were required to pay its lowest-paid workers more, it wouldn't be able to hire as many. If it tried, it would lose market share to its competitors. But if all firms that hire low-wage workers are required to pay more, their competitors are all in the same boat. There's no one to lose market share to. If one firm were required to pay its lowest-paid workers more, the effect on the whole economy would be essentially nothing. So effects like increased aggregate demand don't come into play. But if all such firms are required to pay more, the effects on the whole economy may be more important than those on the markets for specific goods.

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61274 BashiBazouk Wed, 08 Jul 2015 15:40:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61274 <i>But wages are built on the needs of the business, NOT the needs of the employees...</i> Actually they are built on both. See the 19th century union movement. Or are you suggesting we go back to the early industrial days of 11 hour day, 6 days a week with no medical benefits? Because that really helped the needs of business... But wages are built on the needs of the business, NOT the needs of the employees...

Actually they are built on both. See the 19th century union movement. Or are you suggesting we go back to the early industrial days of 11 hour day, 6 days a week with no medical benefits? Because that really helped the needs of business...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61262 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:51:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61262 Speaking of the EU... <B>"As business secretary, I take great overall responsibility for negotiations concerning the single market. Across my desk the other day I got a brief saying that the EU wants to regulate the number of condoms you have in a packet. What going on at the moment is that the Swedes are saying there must be five. They want one for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. The French are saying 'Non! We want seven! We want one for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and one for Saturday and Sunday.' The Italians? They want nine, one for each weekday and two for Saturday and two for Sunday. But you’ll be pleased to know that Britain has put its foot down. We want 12. January, February, March, April, [etc.]. We will not be pushed around."</B> -UK Business Secretary Sajid Javid As politically in-correct as that is.. It was funny as hell!! :D Michale Speaking of the EU...

"As business secretary, I take great overall responsibility for negotiations concerning the single market.

Across my desk the other day I got a brief saying that the EU wants to regulate the number of condoms you have in a packet.

What going on at the moment is that the Swedes are saying there must be five. They want one for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

The French are saying 'Non! We want seven! We want one for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and one for Saturday and Sunday.'

The Italians? They want nine, one for each weekday and two for Saturday and two for Sunday.

But you’ll be pleased to know that Britain has put its foot down. We want 12.

January, February, March, April, [etc.].

We will not be pushed around."
-UK Business Secretary Sajid Javid

As politically in-correct as that is..

It was funny as hell!! :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61254 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:39:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61254 CW, Have a comment in the NNL filter.. Just FYI.... :D Michale CW,

Have a comment in the NNL filter..

Just FYI.... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61251 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:27:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61251 For Hillary, the key is sincerity.. <B>The making of a Hillary Clinton echo chamber One day in May, operatives from a Washington-based super PAC gathered New Hampshire mayors, state representatives and local politicos at Saint Anselm College for a day of training. They rehearsed their personal tales of how they met Hillary Rodham Clinton and why they support her for president. They sharpened their defenses of her record as secretary of state. They scripted their arguments for why the Democratic front-runner has been “a lifetime champion of income opportunity.” And they polished their on-camera presentations in a series of mock interviews. The objective of the sessions: to nurture a seemingly grass-roots echo chamber of Clinton supporters reading from the same script across the communities that dot New Hampshire, a critical state that holds the nation’s first presidential primary.</B> http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-making-of-a-hillary-clinton-echo-chamber/2015/07/07/01625c5e-24ae-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html Once she can fake that, she should have it made! :D heh Did someone mention "Astro Turf"?? :D Michale For Hillary, the key is sincerity..

The making of a Hillary Clinton echo chamber

One day in May, operatives from a Washington-based super PAC gathered New Hampshire mayors, state representatives and local politicos at Saint Anselm College for a day of training.

They rehearsed their personal tales of how they met Hillary Rodham Clinton and why they support her for president. They sharpened their defenses of her record as secretary of state. They scripted their arguments for why the Democratic front-runner has been “a lifetime champion of income opportunity.” And they polished their on-camera presentations in a series of mock interviews.

The objective of the sessions: to nurture a seemingly grass-roots echo chamber of Clinton supporters reading from the same script across the communities that dot New Hampshire, a critical state that holds the nation’s first presidential primary.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-making-of-a-hillary-clinton-echo-chamber/2015/07/07/01625c5e-24ae-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

Once she can fake that, she should have it made! :D heh

Did someone mention "Astro Turf"?? :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61245 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:12:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61245 <I>This "living wage" carp is nothing more than welfare...</I> Do you know how I know that this living wage thing is carp?? Because DEMOCRATS themselves think so.. The DC City Council voted to make Walmart pay a "living wage".. Yet, the city themselves DON'T pay that much!!! Hillary has over 300 people that work for NO PAY at all.. I think Democrats refer to those kinds of people as "slaves"... As I am wont to say.. If Democrats are all about this "living wage" stuff, then maybe they should get their own house in order first, eh? Michale This "living wage" carp is nothing more than welfare...

Do you know how I know that this living wage thing is carp??

Because DEMOCRATS themselves think so..

The DC City Council voted to make Walmart pay a "living wage"..

Yet, the city themselves DON'T pay that much!!!

Hillary has over 300 people that work for NO PAY at all.. I think Democrats refer to those kinds of people as "slaves"...

As I am wont to say..

If Democrats are all about this "living wage" stuff, then maybe they should get their own house in order first, eh?

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61244 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:04:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61244 Lemme ask ya'all this.. Does the person who works 1 hour a week flipping burgers deserve the same "living wage" that someone who works 50 hours a week fighting fires and saving lives?? I mean, if the goal is to have someone "survive" to the exclusion of every other consideration, then the two people postulated above "deserve" the exact same pay... I mean, they both work.. THAT seems to be ya'alls *only* criteria for pay... Doesn't matter how hard they work. Doesn't matter how LONG they work.. Doesn't matter how specialized the work is. Doesn't matter how much training or schooling was needed to perform the work... Doesn't matter how much society benefits from the work.. The ONLY thing that matters is that the person doing the work be paid enough to cover all their expenses with a little left over.. So, using ya'alls reasoning, the person who works 1 hour a week flipping burgers deserves the SAME EXACT pay as the person who works 50 hours a week saving lives and property... Hell, why stop there?? The person who spends 1 hour a week flipping burgers deserve the EXACT SAME pay as President Of The United States.... Hazard Duty pay?? Chuck it out... Remote Location pay?? Get rid of it... Overtime?? Don't need it. Merit bonuses?? VERY unfair. Lose it.. Housing Allowance?? COLA Allowance?? We don't need no stinkin' allowances.. Do ya'all see how completely ridiculous, untenable and unrealistic ya'alls position is?? In effect, ya'all just want to pay people to exist... People DESERVE pay simply because they are breathing... Ridiculous.. Untenable... Unrealistic... Michale Lemme ask ya'all this..

Does the person who works 1 hour a week flipping burgers deserve the same "living wage" that someone who works 50 hours a week fighting fires and saving lives??

I mean, if the goal is to have someone "survive" to the exclusion of every other consideration, then the two people postulated above "deserve" the exact same pay...

I mean, they both work.. THAT seems to be ya'alls *only* criteria for pay...

Doesn't matter how hard they work.

Doesn't matter how LONG they work..

Doesn't matter how specialized the work is.

Doesn't matter how much training or schooling was needed to perform the work...

Doesn't matter how much society benefits from the work..

The ONLY thing that matters is that the person doing the work be paid enough to cover all their expenses with a little left over..

So, using ya'alls reasoning, the person who works 1 hour a week flipping burgers deserves the SAME EXACT pay as the person who works 50 hours a week saving lives and property...

Hell, why stop there??

The person who spends 1 hour a week flipping burgers deserve the EXACT SAME pay as President Of The United States....

Hazard Duty pay?? Chuck it out...

Remote Location pay?? Get rid of it...

Overtime?? Don't need it.

Merit bonuses?? VERY unfair. Lose it..

Housing Allowance?? COLA Allowance?? We don't need no stinkin' allowances..

Do ya'all see how completely ridiculous, untenable and unrealistic ya'alls position is??

In effect, ya'all just want to pay people to exist... People DESERVE pay simply because they are breathing...

Ridiculous.. Untenable... Unrealistic...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61242 Michale Wed, 08 Jul 2015 08:27:14 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61242 Hate ta break it to ya, Paula.. But wages are built on the needs of the business, NOT the needs of the employees... If someone wants higher pay, then they must EARN that higher pay... This "living wage" carp is nothing more than welfare... It crushes the human spirit and eliminates striving and accomplishment.. Why work hard and STRIVE for better pay when it can be just handed to you... Michale Hate ta break it to ya, Paula..

But wages are built on the needs of the business, NOT the needs of the employees...

If someone wants higher pay, then they must EARN that higher pay...

This "living wage" carp is nothing more than welfare... It crushes the human spirit and eliminates striving and accomplishment..

Why work hard and STRIVE for better pay when it can be just handed to you...

Michale

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61236 Paula Wed, 08 Jul 2015 01:11:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61236 (73) <em>Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work.</em> Precisely. The purpose of raising the minimum wage is to raise the floor. If we raised the min wage nationwide to $15/hour, it would mean many, many more people than min wage earners would get raises. And they should. Basically the entire bottom 98% needs a raise, but most definitely anyone not making at least $15 -- I think $20, really. To pay anyone less is to expect them to labor but not be able to meet expenses. It is both immoral and a stupid way to run an economy. And people need to remember that economies are built on social laws, not physical laws. They are simply collections of taxes, incentives and similar. All aspects can be tinkered with and adjusted and, when adjusted, can create different outcomes. The notion that we're collectively at the mercy of "forces beyond our control" is bullshit. Also bullshit is any notion of people "deserving" a living wage, or more accurately, not deserving a living wage. Everyone who works deserves a living wage -- it needs to be sufficient to meet expenses with some left over for saving and spending or why the hell bother at all? And there will be some people who can't work and as a socieity we should see they are taken care of. Anything less is shameful. The fact that there will always be some miniscule percentage that theoretically could work but chooses not to is not an acceptable excuse to withhold support for those who genuinely need it. (73) Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work.

Precisely. The purpose of raising the minimum wage is to raise the floor. If we raised the min wage nationwide to $15/hour, it would mean many, many more people than min wage earners would get raises. And they should. Basically the entire bottom 98% needs a raise, but most definitely anyone not making at least $15 -- I think $20, really. To pay anyone less is to expect them to labor but not be able to meet expenses. It is both immoral and a stupid way to run an economy. And people need to remember that economies are built on social laws, not physical laws. They are simply collections of taxes, incentives and similar. All aspects can be tinkered with and adjusted and, when adjusted, can create different outcomes. The notion that we're collectively at the mercy of "forces beyond our control" is bullshit. Also bullshit is any notion of people "deserving" a living wage, or more accurately, not deserving a living wage. Everyone who works deserves a living wage -- it needs to be sufficient to meet expenses with some left over for saving and spending or why the hell bother at all? And there will be some people who can't work and as a socieity we should see they are taken care of. Anything less is shameful. The fact that there will always be some miniscule percentage that theoretically could work but chooses not to is not an acceptable excuse to withhold support for those who genuinely need it.

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61235 TheStig Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:42:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61235 O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!/\ Share of the merchandising for Mr. Shearer?? O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!/\

Share of the merchandising for Mr. Shearer??

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61234 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:35:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61234 Under the "DUUUUUHHHH" heading... The aliens KANG and KODOS from The Simpsons were named from Star Trek characters... Kang was the Klingon captain from DAY OF THE DOVE played by Michael Ansara... Kodos was KODOS THE EXECUTIONER from the episode CONSCIENCE OF THE KING... I can't believe I didn't pick up on that.... Michale Under the "DUUUUUHHHH" heading...

The aliens KANG and KODOS from The Simpsons were named from Star Trek characters...

Kang was the Klingon captain from DAY OF THE DOVE played by Michael Ansara...

Kodos was KODOS THE EXECUTIONER from the episode CONSCIENCE OF THE KING...

I can't believe I didn't pick up on that....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61233 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:08:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61233 Allow me to assist, oh Tablet'ed One.. :D http://www.komonews.com/news/entertainment/Harry-Shearer-back-at-The-Simpsons-after-contract-dispute-312191471.html Michale Allow me to assist, oh Tablet'ed One.. :D

http://www.komonews.com/news/entertainment/Harry-Shearer-back-at-The-Simpsons-after-contract-dispute-312191471.html

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61231 TheStig Tue, 07 Jul 2015 20:53:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61231 Xxxx-cellent! /\ Burns is back! Harry Shearer has re-uped with the Simpsons!!!! A grateful nation rejoices. I'm taking tomorrow off!!!!!!!! Xxxx-cellent! /\

Burns is back! Harry Shearer has re-uped with the Simpsons!!!! A grateful nation rejoices.

I'm taking tomorrow off!!!!!!!!

]]> By: dsws http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61230 dsws Tue, 07 Jul 2015 20:24:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61230 <i>NY city police officers make quite a bit compared to other parts of the county and are still quite corrupt...</i> Adequate pay is a necessary condition for having an honest police force, not a sufficient condition. You have to pay them adequately, but you also have to have institutions that support a culture both of self-policing and of accepting civilian monitoring. Not everyone who's corrupt is driven to it by desperation. But in any large group of people, there are some who will fall into corruption if they're desperate and the opportunity is offered. NY city police officers make quite a bit compared to other parts of the county and are still quite corrupt...

Adequate pay is a necessary condition for having an honest police force, not a sufficient condition. You have to pay them adequately, but you also have to have institutions that support a culture both of self-policing and of accepting civilian monitoring.

Not everyone who's corrupt is driven to it by desperation. But in any large group of people, there are some who will fall into corruption if they're desperate and the opportunity is offered.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61229 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:56:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61229 <I>Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work.</I> You assume that Police Officers do what they do for the pay... You assume wrong.. NO COP on this planet does what they do for the pay.... <B>"Being a cop is not what we do, it's who we are!"</B> -James Woods, THE HARD WAY Michale Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work.

You assume that Police Officers do what they do for the pay...

You assume wrong..

NO COP on this planet does what they do for the pay....

"Being a cop is not what we do, it's who we are!"
-James Woods, THE HARD WAY

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61228 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:53:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61228 <I>Police officers, just by the nature of the job, have opportunities for corruption. They should be paid enough not to be driven to take those opportunities. </I> Call me old-fashioned and idealistic.. While I see the logic of your's and Bashi's statement, I have the same problem with this as I have with Bashi's "if we pay min wage people more, they won't mug people" statement.. We shouldn't have to PAY people NOT to be criminals... Doing so smacks of extortion... Michale Police officers, just by the nature of the job, have opportunities for corruption. They should be paid enough not to be driven to take those opportunities.

Call me old-fashioned and idealistic..

While I see the logic of your's and Bashi's statement, I have the same problem with this as I have with Bashi's "if we pay min wage people more, they won't mug people" statement..

We shouldn't have to PAY people NOT to be criminals...

Doing so smacks of extortion...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61227 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:50:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61227 <I>The problem with this discussion is that we have not been talking about these issues and having an intelligent debate about what is the right course of action to take.</I> No.. The problem here is that Leftist ideology takes precedence in practically ANY discussion we have... If it didn't, we wouldn't be HAVING the discussion on min wage, but rather be discussing the problem of stagnant wages across the board under the Obama Administration.. But discussing the min wage is politically acceptable.. Discussion Obama's economic failures is not... Michale The problem with this discussion is that we have not been talking about these issues and having an intelligent debate about what is the right course of action to take.

No.. The problem here is that Leftist ideology takes precedence in practically ANY discussion we have...

If it didn't, we wouldn't be HAVING the discussion on min wage, but rather be discussing the problem of stagnant wages across the board under the Obama Administration..

But discussing the min wage is politically acceptable..

Discussion Obama's economic failures is not...

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61226 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:06:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61226 <i> They should be paid enough not to be driven to take those opportunities.</i> Is there such a sum? The NY city police officers make quite a bit compared to other parts of the county and are still quite corrupt... They should be paid enough not to be driven to take those opportunities.

Is there such a sum? The NY city police officers make quite a bit compared to other parts of the county and are still quite corrupt...

]]> By: dsws http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61225 dsws Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:59:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61225 Police officers, just by the nature of the job, have opportunities for corruption. They should be paid enough not to be driven to take those opportunities. That's separate from any judgment of how deserving they are: if someone thinks police officers aren't worth all that much, that's a reason not to hire the police officers at all, not to have underpaid officers. Police officers, just by the nature of the job, have opportunities for corruption. They should be paid enough not to be driven to take those opportunities. That's separate from any judgment of how deserving they are: if someone thinks police officers aren't worth all that much, that's a reason not to hire the police officers at all, not to have underpaid officers.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61224 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:59:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61224 Of course there are consequences for raising the minimum wage ... some good, some bad, depending on one's perspective. What we need to do is look at the big picture and understand what the overall cost/benefit to society is by making this change and other changes that will improve the system as a whole. The problem with this discussion is that we have not been talking about these issues and having an intelligent debate about what is the right course of action to take. Which, I'm sad to say, is very typical of most discussions here. Of course there are consequences for raising the minimum wage ... some good, some bad, depending on one's perspective.

What we need to do is look at the big picture and understand what the overall cost/benefit to society is by making this change and other changes that will improve the system as a whole.

The problem with this discussion is that we have not been talking about these issues and having an intelligent debate about what is the right course of action to take.

Which, I'm sad to say, is very typical of most discussions here.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61223 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:56:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61223 <I>Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work.</I> Let's do it the other way... let's raise everyone else's wages first and THEN move on to the min wage people... No one here wants to do THAT, eh??? :D Michale Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work.

Let's do it the other way...

let's raise everyone else's wages first and THEN move on to the min wage people...

No one here wants to do THAT, eh??? :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61222 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:54:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61222 <I>Finally, you are beginning to make some good sense!:)</I> I guess I wasn't being clear.. I don't have a problem, per se, with increasing the min wage... The problem I have is with increasing the min wage and ignoring other, more valuable, more productive jobs and careers.. The other problem I have is how the across-the-board salary increase is going to be paid for... For example... Let's say McDonalds agrees to raise the min wage to $15 p/h... But, as a result of that, they are increased the cost of each and every item by $5..... Would you be willing to patronize McDonalds and support the min wage workers??? Would you be **ABLE** to patronize McDonalds and support the min wage workers??? It's all about the consequences... Michale Finally, you are beginning to make some good sense!:)

I guess I wasn't being clear..

I don't have a problem, per se, with increasing the min wage...

The problem I have is with increasing the min wage and ignoring other, more valuable, more productive jobs and careers..

The other problem I have is how the across-the-board salary increase is going to be paid for...

For example...

Let's say McDonalds agrees to raise the min wage to $15 p/h... But, as a result of that, they are increased the cost of each and every item by $5.....

Would you be willing to patronize McDonalds and support the min wage workers???

Would you be **ABLE** to patronize McDonalds and support the min wage workers???

It's all about the consequences...

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61221 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:54:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61221 <i>Ya'all advocate raising EVERYONE's wages commiserate with a $15 p/h min wage...</i> Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work. Plus, once the total compensation package is compared, even if the police officer's base wage is the same as the burger flipper, they are still making considerably more in the end, negating your entire burger flipper/police officer comparison... Ya'all advocate raising EVERYONE's wages commiserate with a $15 p/h min wage...

Uh...that's kind of the point. Once you set a minimum wage everyone else's wage rises as well or all your first year police officers will just jump ship and get paid the same amount to do less stressful work.

Plus, once the total compensation package is compared, even if the police officer's base wage is the same as the burger flipper, they are still making considerably more in the end, negating your entire burger flipper/police officer comparison...

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61220 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:52:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61220 <I>I honestly fail to understand why that is a bad thing??</I> I honestly fail to understand why you think we disagree on this! I honestly fail to understand why that is a bad thing??

I honestly fail to understand why you think we disagree on this!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61219 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:50:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61219 <I>The truth of the matter, Michale, is that you do not want to pay police officers a salary that would be appropriate for the value of their work because that would necessarily require an increase in taxes</I> Under those circumstances, I would not object to a tax increase... As long as I could be assured that the increase WOULD go to police officer salaries and not in the pocket of some arsehole politician... <I>It's much better for you to argue that the wage should be kept low and lower yet for those workers whose work you deem to be valued lower.</I> The workers are not valued lower.. Their WORK is valued lower.... Due to the NATURE of their work... I honestly fail to understand why that is a bad thing?? A brain surgeon's work is far more valuable than the work of a trash-emptier... Hence the brain surgeon is paid MORE than the trash-emptier... That doesn't make the brain surgeon a good person or the trash emptier a BAD person... It simply means that, of the work they both do, one is more valuable hence more compensated than the other.. This is common sense.. I honestly fail to understand why I am the only one here who sees that... Michale The truth of the matter, Michale, is that you do not want to pay police officers a salary that would be appropriate for the value of their work because that would necessarily require an increase in taxes

Under those circumstances, I would not object to a tax increase...

As long as I could be assured that the increase WOULD go to police officer salaries and not in the pocket of some arsehole politician...

It's much better for you to argue that the wage should be kept low and lower yet for those workers whose work you deem to be valued lower.

The workers are not valued lower..

Their WORK is valued lower.... Due to the NATURE of their work...

I honestly fail to understand why that is a bad thing??

A brain surgeon's work is far more valuable than the work of a trash-emptier... Hence the brain surgeon is paid MORE than the trash-emptier...

That doesn't make the brain surgeon a good person or the trash emptier a BAD person... It simply means that, of the work they both do, one is more valuable hence more compensated than the other..

This is common sense..

I honestly fail to understand why I am the only one here who sees that...

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61218 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:50:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61218 I knew you would. Heh. I knew you would. Heh.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61217 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:49:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61217 Michale[66] Finally, you are beginning to make some good sense!:) Michale[66]

Finally, you are beginning to make some good sense!:)

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61216 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:48:14 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61216 <I>I would expect a doctor to be paid more than a police officer..I would expect a police officer to be paid more than a burger flipper....Again, this is what common sense dictates...</I> Again, you (purposefully) miss the point as no one is arguing that there shouldn't be a wage scale based on value of work. NO ONE!! I would expect a doctor to be paid more than a police officer..I would expect a police officer to be paid more than a burger flipper....Again, this is what common sense dictates...

Again, you (purposefully) miss the point as no one is arguing that there shouldn't be a wage scale based on value of work. NO ONE!!

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61215 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:47:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61215 <I>I would expect a doctor to be paid more than a police officer..I would expect a police officer to be paid more than a burger flipper....Again, this is what common sense dictates... Again, you (purposefully) miss the point as no one is arguing that there shouldn't be a wage scale based on value of work. NO ONE!! I would expect a doctor to be paid more than a police officer..I would expect a police officer to be paid more than a burger flipper....Again, this is what common sense dictates...

Again, you (purposefully) miss the point as no one is arguing that there shouldn't be a wage scale based on value of work. NO ONE!!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61214 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:46:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61214 OK, I am a fair guy... Ya'all advocate raising EVERYONE's wages commiserate with a $15 p/h min wage... Once that is accomplished I will join with ya'all arm in arm and fight tooth and nail to have the min wage raised to $15 p/h... What could POSSIBLY be more fair than that??? Michale OK, I am a fair guy...

Ya'all advocate raising EVERYONE's wages commiserate with a $15 p/h min wage...

Once that is accomplished I will join with ya'all arm in arm and fight tooth and nail to have the min wage raised to $15 p/h...

What could POSSIBLY be more fair than that???

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61213 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:44:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61213 The truth of the matter, Michale, is that you do not want to pay police officers a salary that would be appropriate for the value of their work because that would necessarily require an increase in taxes. It's much better for you to argue that the wage should be kept low and lower yet for those workers whose work you deem to be valued lower. The truth of the matter, Michale, is that you do not want to pay police officers a salary that would be appropriate for the value of their work because that would necessarily require an increase in taxes.

It's much better for you to argue that the wage should be kept low and lower yet for those workers whose work you deem to be valued lower.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61212 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:41:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61212 <I>Your argument is that one should be paid less than the other. </I> Abso-frakin-loutly!!! I would expect a doctor to be paid more than a police officer.. I would expect a police officer to be paid more than a burger flipper.... Again, this is what common sense dictates... <I>You are criticizing working people for demanding a higher minimum, living wage.</I> I am criticizing working people for being greedy and caring about their own lives and ignoring the consequences of their actions... Their $15 an hour raise would likely cause 20% of their co-workers to be fired.. Do they care?? Of course not... <I>Why not make the argument that the compensation that cops receive should be substantially increased, instead of whining about what the minimum wage should be?</I> Because it's no argument.. Compensation for cops SHOULD be increased.... And, if cops were out there whining and crying that they should be paid as much as doctors, then I would probably say that THEY are ridiculous as well... :D Michale Your argument is that one should be paid less than the other.

Abso-frakin-loutly!!!

I would expect a doctor to be paid more than a police officer..

I would expect a police officer to be paid more than a burger flipper....

Again, this is what common sense dictates...

You are criticizing working people for demanding a higher minimum, living wage.

I am criticizing working people for being greedy and caring about their own lives and ignoring the consequences of their actions...

Their $15 an hour raise would likely cause 20% of their co-workers to be fired..

Do they care?? Of course not...

Why not make the argument that the compensation that cops receive should be substantially increased, instead of whining about what the minimum wage should be?

Because it's no argument..

Compensation for cops SHOULD be increased....

And, if cops were out there whining and crying that they should be paid as much as doctors, then I would probably say that THEY are ridiculous as well... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61211 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:37:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61211 <I>Man, you really want to stick it to those first year police officers. I wonder what the starting wage is for a police officer in Greece and Puerto Rico...</I> Puerto Rico, the average is $30,000 a year... Which is OBSCENE... The Hellenic Police in Greece... I am still searching.. But Greece's Min Wage is the highest of all the EU countries... http://www.grreporter.info/en/sites/default/files/galery/maria/794700C321209A30A8A7AC12A9F3AE0E.jpg That might help you... It's... er... Greek to me... BWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D Sorry, I could NOT resist... :D Michale Man, you really want to stick it to those first year police officers. I wonder what the starting wage is for a police officer in Greece and Puerto Rico...

Puerto Rico, the average is $30,000 a year... Which is OBSCENE...

The Hellenic Police in Greece... I am still searching.. But Greece's Min Wage is the highest of all the EU countries...

http://www.grreporter.info/en/sites/default/files/galery/maria/794700C321209A30A8A7AC12A9F3AE0E.jpg

That might help you...

It's... er... Greek to me...

BWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D

Sorry, I could NOT resist... :D

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61210 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:37:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61210 <I>Cops should make more than burger flippers..</I> Your argument is that one should be paid less than the other. You are criticizing working people for demanding a higher minimum, living wage. Why not make the argument that the compensation that cops receive should be substantially increased, instead of whining about what the minimum wage should be? Cops should make more than burger flippers..

Your argument is that one should be paid less than the other. You are criticizing working people for demanding a higher minimum, living wage.

Why not make the argument that the compensation that cops receive should be substantially increased, instead of whining about what the minimum wage should be?

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61209 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:35:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61209 <i>Next time you get mugged, call your burger flipper.. </i> Pay a living wage and I might not get mugged in the first place... Next time you get mugged, call your burger flipper..

Pay a living wage and I might not get mugged in the first place...

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61208 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:32:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61208 You're not dealing with stupid people here, Michale. And, we are not saying that there should not be a wage scale and proper compensation to match the value of the work rendered. So, STOP implying that we are! You're not dealing with stupid people here, Michale. And, we are not saying that there should not be a wage scale and proper compensation to match the value of the work rendered.

So, STOP implying that we are!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61207 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:31:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61207 <I>You give strawman arguments whole new meaning, Michale.</I> So, you don't agree?? You think it's perfectly acceptable to give a burger flipper higher pay than a police officer?? Or are you questioning the fact that there are many municipalities that pay starting police officers less than $15 an hour?? If I prove the point will you concede the argument?? Michale You give strawman arguments whole new meaning, Michale.

So, you don't agree??

You think it's perfectly acceptable to give a burger flipper higher pay than a police officer??

Or are you questioning the fact that there are many municipalities that pay starting police officers less than $15 an hour??

If I prove the point will you concede the argument??

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61206 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:30:04 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61206 <I>The point that you miss is that they BOTH deserve RESPECT!</I> I completely agree. As I have said, ALL honest work is honorable and worthy of respect.. But paying a burger flipper at McDonalds *MORE* than paying a police officer?? THAT is the EPITOME of disrespect to the police officer... No one is saying that honest workers don't deserve respect.. The discussion is what level of PAY they deserve... Cops should make more than burger flippers.. That is ALL I am saying... Michale The point that you miss is that they BOTH deserve RESPECT!

I completely agree.

As I have said, ALL honest work is honorable and worthy of respect..

But paying a burger flipper at McDonalds *MORE* than paying a police officer??

THAT is the EPITOME of disrespect to the police officer...

No one is saying that honest workers don't deserve respect..

The discussion is what level of PAY they deserve...

Cops should make more than burger flippers..

That is ALL I am saying...

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61205 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:29:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61205 <I>And common sense tells me it's insane, OBSCENE, to pay a person who flips burgers at McDonalds more than a police officers...THAT is common sense...</I> You give strawman arguments whole new meaning, Michale. And common sense tells me it's insane, OBSCENE, to pay a person who flips burgers at McDonalds more than a police officers...THAT is common sense...

You give strawman arguments whole new meaning, Michale.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61204 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:28:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61204 One of the cleaners where I work is Spanish-speaking and a published author of political prose and poetry. Everytime he comes by I try to increase my knowledge and use of Spanish and he is a very good and patient teacher. One of the cleaners where I work is Spanish-speaking and a published author of political prose and poetry.

Everytime he comes by I try to increase my knowledge and use of Spanish and he is a very good and patient teacher.

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61203 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:27:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61203 <i>I hear Greece and Puerto Rico has some vacancies... :D heh</i> Man, you really want to stick it to those first year police officers. I wonder what the starting wage is for a police officer in Greece and Puerto Rico... I hear Greece and Puerto Rico has some vacancies... :D heh

Man, you really want to stick it to those first year police officers. I wonder what the starting wage is for a police officer in Greece and Puerto Rico...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61202 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:27:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61202 <I>And, who, may I ask, are you to be deciding what pay rate is acceptable?</I> Depends on what field we are talking.. If we are talking Security, Law Enforcement, PMC, laptop and TV repair or child/grandchild raising?? I would be quite comfortable in deciding what pay rate is acceptable... Any other field?? I would have to wing it.. But, here again.. Common sense comes in REAL handy.. And common sense tells me it's insane, OBSCENE, to pay a person who flips burgers at McDonalds more than a police officers... THAT is common sense... Michale And, who, may I ask, are you to be deciding what pay rate is acceptable?

Depends on what field we are talking..

If we are talking Security, Law Enforcement, PMC, laptop and TV repair or child/grandchild raising??

I would be quite comfortable in deciding what pay rate is acceptable...

Any other field?? I would have to wing it..

But, here again.. Common sense comes in REAL handy..

And common sense tells me it's insane, OBSCENE, to pay a person who flips burgers at McDonalds more than a police officers...

THAT is common sense...

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61201 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:26:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61201 The point that you miss is that they BOTH deserve RESPECT! The point that you miss is that they BOTH deserve RESPECT!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61200 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:25:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61200 <I>I hope you don't treat your own workers with the same disrespect you have put on display here.</I> I can't afford workers anymore... Thank you Obama-Economics...... If I could, I wouldn't pay the person who empties my garbage the same I would pay the guy who rebuilds the laptops... THAT's the point ya'all seem to miss.... Michale I hope you don't treat your own workers with the same disrespect you have put on display here.

I can't afford workers anymore...

Thank you Obama-Economics......

If I could, I wouldn't pay the person who empties my garbage the same I would pay the guy who rebuilds the laptops...

THAT's the point ya'all seem to miss....

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61199 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:23:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61199 <I>I go after the lower-scale workers that are demanding pay not commiserate to their work..</I> And, who, may I ask, are you to be deciding what pay rate is acceptable? Careful, your true colours on this issue are showing ... I go after the lower-scale workers that are demanding pay not commiserate to their work..

And, who, may I ask, are you to be deciding what pay rate is acceptable?

Careful, your true colours on this issue are showing ...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61198 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:22:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61198 <I>Do I value the police or burger flipper more...depends on how good the burger is. </I> Next time you get mugged, call your burger flipper.. Lemme know how that works out for ya... :D I know, I know.. You pack... But the argument is still valid.. :D <I>If you have a $15 an hour minimum wage, everyone else's wage will typically go up. </I> And WHO is going to pay for this across the board wage increases??? You volunteering?? :D Michale Do I value the police or burger flipper more...depends on how good the burger is.

Next time you get mugged, call your burger flipper..

Lemme know how that works out for ya... :D

I know, I know.. You pack...

But the argument is still valid.. :D

If you have a $15 an hour minimum wage, everyone else's wage will typically go up.

And WHO is going to pay for this across the board wage increases???

You volunteering?? :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61197 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:21:04 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61197 <I>Why don't you change up your argument, from time to time, you know, just for the sake of variety ...</I> I use the arguments I use because they are successful and have yet to be refuted.. Sue me for going with what works. :D <I>Why don't you leave the lower-scale workers alone and compare what we pay police officers with what the average draftee gets for his efforts in major league baseball ... before, I might add, he even proves he can play with the big boys. And, notice I said 'play', not even work! Let's have THAT discussion, shall we?</I> Because there is no discussion.. We would be in complete agreement that the sports stars and movie stars in our society make OBSCENE amounts of money.. Why don't ya'all go after THEIR riches?? Why do we hear so much from the Left on the Kochs and ZERO from the Left on the Michael Moores or the Susan Sarandons or the Warren Buffets??? Because they are ideologically and politically acceptable, ergo they are off-limits... I go after the lower-scale workers that are demanding pay not commiserate to their work... They want hand-outs... Wealth not earned... They are all about ME ME ME ME and frak anyone else... They don't care that if THEY get their raises, MANY employees will LOSE their jobs... And I should really CARE about those selfish arseholes?? Not in this lifetime... Michale Why don't you change up your argument, from time to time, you know, just for the sake of variety ...

I use the arguments I use because they are successful and have yet to be refuted..

Sue me for going with what works. :D

Why don't you leave the lower-scale workers alone and compare what we pay police officers with what the average draftee gets for his efforts in major league baseball ... before, I might add, he even proves he can play with the big boys. And, notice I said 'play', not even work!

Let's have THAT discussion, shall we?

Because there is no discussion.. We would be in complete agreement that the sports stars and movie stars in our society make OBSCENE amounts of money..

Why don't ya'all go after THEIR riches?? Why do we hear so much from the Left on the Kochs and ZERO from the Left on the Michael Moores or the Susan Sarandons or the Warren Buffets???

Because they are ideologically and politically acceptable, ergo they are off-limits...

I go after the lower-scale workers that are demanding pay not commiserate to their work... They want hand-outs... Wealth not earned...

They are all about ME ME ME ME and frak anyone else...

They don't care that if THEY get their raises, MANY employees will LOSE their jobs...

And I should really CARE about those selfish arseholes??

Not in this lifetime...

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61196 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:19:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61196 <i>How much does one respect the work of a police officer or a fire-fighter if they are willing to pay a burger-flipper more???</i> False dichotomy. If you have a $15 an hour minimum wage, everyone else's wage will typically go up. Seems if you value the starting wage of a police officer so much you would want the increase of the minimum wage as cheap communities would have to offer more than the new minimum to attract new recruits. Do I value the police or burger flipper more...depends on how good the burger is. Though I do value the fire fighter more than either of them... How much does one respect the work of a police officer or a fire-fighter if they are willing to pay a burger-flipper more???

False dichotomy. If you have a $15 an hour minimum wage, everyone else's wage will typically go up. Seems if you value the starting wage of a police officer so much you would want the increase of the minimum wage as cheap communities would have to offer more than the new minimum to attract new recruits.

Do I value the police or burger flipper more...depends on how good the burger is. Though I do value the fire fighter more than either of them...

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61195 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:17:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61195 And, if you want to talk 'obscene', then let's talk about getting 25 millions dollars a year to play a game for half the year. I hope you don't treat your own workers with the same disrespect you have put on display here. And, if you want to talk 'obscene', then let's talk about getting 25 millions dollars a year to play a game for half the year.

I hope you don't treat your own workers with the same disrespect you have put on display here.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61194 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:15:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61194 Bashi, <I>Or move to a community that's not so cheap...</I> I hear Greece and Puerto Rico has some vacancies... :D heh Michale Bashi,

Or move to a community that's not so cheap...

I hear Greece and Puerto Rico has some vacancies... :D heh

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61193 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:14:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61193 <I>How much does one respect the work of a police officer or a fire-fighter if they are willing to pay a burger-flipper more???</I> Why don't you change up your argument, from time to time, you know, just for the sake of variety ... Why don't you leave the lower-scale workers alone and compare what we pay police officers with what the average draftee gets for his efforts in major league baseball ... before, I might add, he even proves he can play with the big boys. And, notice I said 'play', not even work! Let's have THAT discussion, shall we? How much does one respect the work of a police officer or a fire-fighter if they are willing to pay a burger-flipper more???

Why don't you change up your argument, from time to time, you know, just for the sake of variety ...

Why don't you leave the lower-scale workers alone and compare what we pay police officers with what the average draftee gets for his efforts in major league baseball ... before, I might add, he even proves he can play with the big boys. And, notice I said 'play', not even work!

Let's have THAT discussion, shall we?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61192 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:13:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61192 The simple fact that we are ALL in agreement that Bernie could not possibly be elected POTUS should be an indication to ya'all of the validity of my argument... Bernie has a LOT of great ideas.. Obama did too.... But when the rubber hits the road??? Train wreck.... Good ideas do not a good leader make.. If the last 6 years taught us all ANYTHING, it taught us that... Michale The simple fact that we are ALL in agreement that Bernie could not possibly be elected POTUS should be an indication to ya'all of the validity of my argument...

Bernie has a LOT of great ideas..

Obama did too....

But when the rubber hits the road???

Train wreck....

Good ideas do not a good leader make..

If the last 6 years taught us all ANYTHING, it taught us that...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61191 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:12:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61191 <I>You're not fooling anyone, Michale, with the possible exception of yourself.</I> I have NO idea what you are referring to.. :D Michale You're not fooling anyone, Michale, with the possible exception of yourself.

I have NO idea what you are referring to.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61190 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:10:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61190 Liz, How much does one respect the work of a police officer or a fire-fighter if they are willing to pay a burger-flipper more??? I mean, if we want to talk "respect", I am MORE than willing... But remember.. It's a two-way street that doesn't.... SHOULDN'T... make allowances for political ideology... In other words, politically correct vehicles are not {{this}} street legal.. :D Michale Liz,

How much does one respect the work of a police officer or a fire-fighter if they are willing to pay a burger-flipper more???

I mean, if we want to talk "respect", I am MORE than willing...

But remember..

It's a two-way street that doesn't.... SHOULDN'T... make allowances for political ideology...

In other words, politically correct vehicles are not {{this}} street legal.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61189 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:09:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61189 You're not fooling anyone, Michale, with the possible exception of yourself. You're not fooling anyone, Michale, with the possible exception of yourself.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61188 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:07:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61188 <I>So, we have descended to calling the left communists...</I> If the cossack fits.... What do you think "average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective?" means if not "to each according to his needs"..??? But, credit where credit is due.. Kudos on the come-back.. Made me laugh.. :D Michale So, we have descended to calling the left communists...

If the cossack fits....

What do you think "average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective?" means if not "to each according to his needs"..???

But, credit where credit is due..

Kudos on the come-back.. Made me laugh.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61187 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:05:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61187 <I>It is clear from your end of the discussion here that you do not value the work that people do and have little if any appreciation for the work that people do.</I> Simply not true... I am actually the ONLY one here who DOES value work, as I am the ONLY one who wants to pay people wages commeseriate with the actual work.. Put another way. Ya'all want to pay a burger-flipper/trash-picker-upper/floor-mopper the SAME as you would pay a police officer.. That tells me that it's YA'ALL who don't value the work.. All honest work is honorable... That is not in dispute... But paying a burger flipper more than paying a police officer?? That's ridiculous bordering... CROSSING the border... into obscene.. <I>It is also clear that you wish to ignore all of the benefits to society and the economy as a whole when people are paid a living wage or more and are valued for the work they do, everyday with pride.</I> Mitt Romney's "living wage" would be a lot more than Dylan Root's "living wage"... Are you suggesting that "living wage" is the only consideration?? <I>I'm actually quite surprised that people around here who I also assume work are so willing to converse with you when you show no respect whatsoever for working people. </I> As I have shown.. I am the ONLY one here who DOES have respect for working people... I have respect for ALL working people, not just the ones who are politically/ideologically acceptable... Michale It is clear from your end of the discussion here that you do not value the work that people do and have little if any appreciation for the work that people do.

Simply not true...

I am actually the ONLY one here who DOES value work, as I am the ONLY one who wants to pay people wages commeseriate with the actual work..

Put another way. Ya'all want to pay a burger-flipper/trash-picker-upper/floor-mopper the SAME as you would pay a police officer..

That tells me that it's YA'ALL who don't value the work..

All honest work is honorable... That is not in dispute...

But paying a burger flipper more than paying a police officer??

That's ridiculous bordering... CROSSING the border... into obscene..

It is also clear that you wish to ignore all of the benefits to society and the economy as a whole when people are paid a living wage or more and are valued for the work they do, everyday with pride.

Mitt Romney's "living wage" would be a lot more than Dylan Root's "living wage"...

Are you suggesting that "living wage" is the only consideration??

I'm actually quite surprised that people around here who I also assume work are so willing to converse with you when you show no respect whatsoever for working people.

As I have shown.. I am the ONLY one here who DOES have respect for working people...

I have respect for ALL working people, not just the ones who are politically/ideologically acceptable...

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61186 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:54:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61186 <i>Sound familiar?? </i> So, we have descended to calling the left communists... Yawn. Sound familiar??

So, we have descended to calling the left communists...

Yawn.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61185 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:54:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61185 Michale, It is clear from your end of the discussion here that you do not value the work that people do and have little if any appreciation for the work that people do. I'm one of those people. It is also clear that you wish to ignore all of the benefits to society and the economy as a whole when people are paid a living wage or more and are valued for the work they do, everyday with pride. I'm actually quite surprised that people around here who I also assume work are so willing to converse with you when you show no respect whatsoever for working people. Perhaps this disrespect that you harbour applies to yourself as well. Michale,

It is clear from your end of the discussion here that you do not value the work that people do and have little if any appreciation for the work that people do. I'm one of those people.

It is also clear that you wish to ignore all of the benefits to society and the economy as a whole when people are paid a living wage or more and are valued for the work they do, everyday with pride.

I'm actually quite surprised that people around here who I also assume work are so willing to converse with you when you show no respect whatsoever for working people. Perhaps this disrespect that you harbour applies to yourself as well.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61184 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:45:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61184 <I>Is average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective?</I> <B>"To each, according to his needs. From each according to his abilities"</B> Sound familiar?? Michale Is average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective?

"To each, according to his needs. From each according to his abilities"

Sound familiar??

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61183 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:45:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61183 <i>The simple fact that somewhere there are police officers who make less than what these lusers demand is obscene...</i> Is it a fact? What is the total compensation after overtime of these police officers compared to the total compensation of a $15 an hour burger flipper? <i>If one wants better pay, here's a thought.. EARN IT!!!</i> Or move to a community that's not so cheap... The simple fact that somewhere there are police officers who make less than what these lusers demand is obscene...

Is it a fact? What is the total compensation after overtime of these police officers compared to the total compensation of a $15 an hour burger flipper?

If one wants better pay, here's a thought..

EARN IT!!!

Or move to a community that's not so cheap...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61182 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:44:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61182 <I>Is average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective?</I> Where does the actual JOB and Job performance enter into your pay scale?? In your method, it's apparently non-existent.. <I>Or at least your cherry picked subset...</I> Anyone who is demanding $15 p/h for menial labor a trained monkee could do is part of that cherry picked subset... Which is pretty much the entire Left Wing... Present company excepted, of course.. :D Michale Is average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective?

Where does the actual JOB and Job performance enter into your pay scale??

In your method, it's apparently non-existent..

Or at least your cherry picked subset...

Anyone who is demanding $15 p/h for menial labor a trained monkee could do is part of that cherry picked subset...

Which is pretty much the entire Left Wing...

Present company excepted, of course.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61181 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:42:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61181 <I>When I was a senior in High School, I worked two jobs PLUS school...</I> And I walked to school in 4 feet of snow.. Uphill.. BOTH ways!!! :D Michale When I was a senior in High School, I worked two jobs PLUS school...

And I walked to school in 4 feet of snow..

Uphill.. BOTH ways!!! :D

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61180 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:40:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61180 <i>Because "survive" is subjective..</i> Is average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective? <i>The problem with most people today is that they feel that society owes them a living....</i> Or at least your cherry picked subset... Because "survive" is subjective..

Is average lower level rent and minimum levels of nutrition also subjective?

The problem with most people today is that they feel that society owes them a living....

Or at least your cherry picked subset...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61179 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:35:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61179 <I>Base pay or are you including overtime (where police really make their money), good benefits and an eventual pension? Also, where are you cherry picking the base pay from? San Francisco offers $80,574 per year for a starting police officer...</I> The simple fact that somewhere there are police officers who make less than what these lusers demand is obscene... If one wants better pay, here's a thought.. EARN IT!!! It's a radical concept, I realize.... Michale Base pay or are you including overtime (where police really make their money), good benefits and an eventual pension? Also, where are you cherry picking the base pay from? San Francisco offers $80,574 per year for a starting police officer...

The simple fact that somewhere there are police officers who make less than what these lusers demand is obscene...

If one wants better pay, here's a thought..

EARN IT!!!

It's a radical concept, I realize....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61178 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:33:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61178 <I>And what about what they NEED to make to survive? Should that also not be a consideration?</I> Nope... Because "survive" is subjective.. And employee would think that he MUST have his PS4 and his 63" Smart TV to "survive".. If a person needs more $$$ to "survive" let them work more jobs.. When I was a senior in High School, I worked two jobs PLUS school... The problem with most people today is that they feel that society owes them a living.... Michale And what about what they NEED to make to survive? Should that also not be a consideration?

Nope...

Because "survive" is subjective..

And employee would think that he MUST have his PS4 and his 63" Smart TV to "survive"..

If a person needs more $$$ to "survive" let them work more jobs..

When I was a senior in High School, I worked two jobs PLUS school...

The problem with most people today is that they feel that society owes them a living....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61177 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:31:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61177 Do you think Greece should be allowed to remain in the Euro??? Michale Do you think Greece should be allowed to remain in the Euro???

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61176 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:20:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61176 <i>What the employee WANTS to make should NEVER, EVER be a consideration...</i> And what about what they NEED to make to survive? Should that also not be a consideration? What the employee WANTS to make should NEVER, EVER be a consideration...

And what about what they NEED to make to survive? Should that also not be a consideration?

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61175 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:19:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61175 <i>Free College??? $15 p/h min wage... Whose going to pay for all that??</i> Increased economic output by not saddling people with student debt or allowing them work at unlivable wages. The rich not getting richer at quite the same obscene rate... <i>Robbing the rich and giving to the government ONLY works as long as there are rich people to rob....</i> Robbing the poor and middle class to give to the rich only works as long as the poor and middle class can to continue to generate extra revenue... <i>Obscene social spending DOESN'T work....</i> Agreed, but any social spending is not automatically obscene social spending. At least that is what your straw man seems to be implying... <i>And $15 p/h for flipping burgers, mopping floors or emptying garbage is pretty obscene....</i> When it does not pay the rent or afford food it is hardly obscene. <i>Especially when 1st year Police Officers make less..</i> Base pay or are you including overtime (where police really make their money), good benefits and an eventual pension? Also, where are you cherry picking the base pay from? San Francisco offers $80,574 per year for a starting police officer... Free College??? $15 p/h min wage...

Whose going to pay for all that??

Increased economic output by not saddling people with student debt or allowing them work at unlivable wages. The rich not getting richer at quite the same obscene rate...

Robbing the rich and giving to the government ONLY works as long as there are rich people to rob....

Robbing the poor and middle class to give to the rich only works as long as the poor and middle class can to continue to generate extra revenue...

Obscene social spending DOESN'T work....

Agreed, but any social spending is not automatically obscene social spending. At least that is what your straw man seems to be implying...

And $15 p/h for flipping burgers, mopping floors or emptying garbage is pretty obscene....

When it does not pay the rent or afford food it is hardly obscene.

Especially when 1st year Police Officers make less..

Base pay or are you including overtime (where police really make their money), good benefits and an eventual pension? Also, where are you cherry picking the base pay from? San Francisco offers $80,574 per year for a starting police officer...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61174 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:07:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61174 Job wages SHOULD be defined by what the job entails first and foremost... THEN look at COLA issues etc etc... What the employee WANTS to make should NEVER, EVER be a consideration... Michale Job wages SHOULD be defined by what the job entails first and foremost...

THEN look at COLA issues etc etc...

What the employee WANTS to make should NEVER, EVER be a consideration...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61173 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:53:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61173 <I>"Obscene social spending"</I> And $15 p/h for flipping burgers, mopping floors or emptying garbage is pretty obscene.... Especially when 1st year Police Officers make less.. Michale... "Obscene social spending"

And $15 p/h for flipping burgers, mopping floors or emptying garbage is pretty obscene....

Especially when 1st year Police Officers make less..

Michale...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61172 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:50:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61172 <I>Actually I faulted the left first. Obscene social spending. I'm looking the whole picture and not just the anti-left slice of it..</I> Fair enough.... We completely agree.. "Obscene social spending".... Sure, there are other factors.. In something this large and complex, there would HAVE to be other factors.. But the other factors would likely have been manageable if not for the "obscene social spending"... THAT is my point... Obscene social spending DOESN'T work.... Michale Actually I faulted the left first. Obscene social spending. I'm looking the whole picture and not just the anti-left slice of it..

Fair enough....

We completely agree..

"Obscene social spending"....

Sure, there are other factors.. In something this large and complex, there would HAVE to be other factors..

But the other factors would likely have been manageable if not for the "obscene social spending"...

THAT is my point...

Obscene social spending DOESN'T work....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61171 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:47:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61171 I have said it before and I'll say it again.. I am just a lowly knuckle dragging ground-pounder.. I'll leave the high and mighty economic theory to you giants.. But I DO have an abundance of common sense.. And THAT tells me when one lives beyond their means, bad things will eventually happen.. To paraphrase Bob Seger... <B>"You can shake it for a while, live it up in style.. But no matter what you do, it's going to take you down.."</B> Doesn't matter whether you are a pimply-faced teenager, a struggling parent or a country.. If you continue to live beyond your means you WILL, sooner or later, crash and burn.. And no amount of snooty elitist up-turned nose ideological argument is going to change that one simple fact... <I>What are you blabbing on about?</I> Maybe you should read a little about Greece... :D <B>Greece demands €278bn WWII reparations from Germany - more than its debt to EU</B> http://rt.com/news/247353-greece-germany-reparations-billions/ Michale I have said it before and I'll say it again..

I am just a lowly knuckle dragging ground-pounder.. I'll leave the high and mighty economic theory to you giants..

But I DO have an abundance of common sense..

And THAT tells me when one lives beyond their means, bad things will eventually happen..

To paraphrase Bob Seger...

"You can shake it for a while, live it up in style..
But no matter what you do, it's going to take you down.."

Doesn't matter whether you are a pimply-faced teenager, a struggling parent or a country..

If you continue to live beyond your means you WILL, sooner or later, crash and burn..

And no amount of snooty elitist up-turned nose ideological argument is going to change that one simple fact...

What are you blabbing on about?

Maybe you should read a little about Greece... :D

Greece demands €278bn WWII reparations from Germany - more than its debt to EU
http://rt.com/news/247353-greece-germany-reparations-billions/

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61170 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:37:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61170 <i>Greece was forced into austerity BECAUSE of their out of control spending...</i> No, Greece was forced into austerity because it was about to default on their loans and the rest of Europe felt it was in their interest to bail out the banks. Their out of control spending was a major factor in the mess but not the only one. <i>Greek government spending is 60% of their GDP.</i> After the GDP dropped 30% due to the 2008 financial crisis... <i>Yea, the leaders who called EU leaders "terrorists" and demanded war reparations for Nazi crimes are utterly and completely blameless...</i> What are you blabbing on about? <i>EVERYONE is at fault except for the Left Wingers... :^/</i> Actually I faulted the left first. Obscene social spending. I'm looking the whole picture and not just the anti-left slice of it... Greece was forced into austerity BECAUSE of their out of control spending...

No, Greece was forced into austerity because it was about to default on their loans and the rest of Europe felt it was in their interest to bail out the banks. Their out of control spending was a major factor in the mess but not the only one.

Greek government spending is 60% of their GDP.

After the GDP dropped 30% due to the 2008 financial crisis...

Yea, the leaders who called EU leaders "terrorists" and demanded war reparations for Nazi crimes are utterly and completely blameless...

What are you blabbing on about?

EVERYONE is at fault except for the Left Wingers... :^/

Actually I faulted the left first. Obscene social spending. I'm looking the whole picture and not just the anti-left slice of it...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61169 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:19:14 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61169 <I>Do you have any proof beyond anti-left hysteria that Bernie Sanders would increase social spending to Greece levels </I> Free College??? $15 p/h min wage... Whose going to pay for all that?? Oh yea.. "The rich"... And whose going to pay for it all NEXT year?? And the year after that?? And the year after that?? You *DO* realize that if you take more from the rich and more from the rich and more from the rich, one of two things will happen.. 1. They won't be rich anymore or B. They will take their richness, give ya'all the finger and move their business and their richness somewhere else.. And lo and behold, the USA becomes Greece... That's the point that Leftys just never seem to grasp... Robbing the rich and giving to the government ONLY works as long as there are rich people to rob.... Michale Do you have any proof beyond anti-left hysteria that Bernie Sanders would increase social spending to Greece levels

Free College??? $15 p/h min wage...

Whose going to pay for all that??

Oh yea.. "The rich"...

And whose going to pay for it all NEXT year??

And the year after that?? And the year after that??

You *DO* realize that if you take more from the rich and more from the rich and more from the rich, one of two things will happen..

1. They won't be rich anymore

or

B. They will take their richness, give ya'all the finger and move their business and their richness somewhere else..

And lo and behold, the USA becomes Greece...

That's the point that Leftys just never seem to grasp...

Robbing the rich and giving to the government ONLY works as long as there are rich people to rob....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61168 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:09:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61168 <I>Many things worked together to bring Greece down, especially the 2008 finical crisis...</I> Yea, the leaders who called EU leaders "terrorists" and demanded war reparations for Nazi crimes are utterly and completely blameless... Another Left Wing trait... EVERYONE is at fault except for the Left Wingers... :^/ Michale Many things worked together to bring Greece down, especially the 2008 finical crisis...

Yea, the leaders who called EU leaders "terrorists" and demanded war reparations for Nazi crimes are utterly and completely blameless...

Another Left Wing trait...

EVERYONE is at fault except for the Left Wingers... :^/

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61167 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:08:32 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61167 Greece was forced into austerity BECAUSE of their out of control spending... And did Greece abide by that austerity?? No they did not.. In 2013, government spending was 60% of their GDP... You call THAT "austerity"??? But yer right on one point.. The taxpayers of Greece deserve a lot of the blame.. 90% of Greek taxes are outstanding... But, where does the blame for that lie?? In the taxpayers for being completely and utterly irresponsible in thinking the government will take care of them?? Why, yes.... But the government ALSO shares the blame for fostering and REWARDING such attitudes.. So, to sum up... Greek government spending is 60% of their GDP... 90% of Greek taxes are unpaid and outstanding... <B>"No studying?? pppffftttt"</B> Bill Murray, GHOSTBUSTERS :D Michale Greece was forced into austerity BECAUSE of their out of control spending...

And did Greece abide by that austerity?? No they did not.. In 2013, government spending was 60% of their GDP...

You call THAT "austerity"???

But yer right on one point.. The taxpayers of Greece deserve a lot of the blame.. 90% of Greek taxes are outstanding...

But, where does the blame for that lie?? In the taxpayers for being completely and utterly irresponsible in thinking the government will take care of them??

Why, yes.... But the government ALSO shares the blame for fostering and REWARDING such attitudes..

So, to sum up...

Greek government spending is 60% of their GDP...

90% of Greek taxes are unpaid and outstanding...

"No studying?? pppffftttt"
Bill Murray, GHOSTBUSTERS

:D

Michale

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61166 BashiBazouk Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:01:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61166 <i>That is the problem with Bernie Sanders.. He is no different than the leaders in Detroit, the leaders in Puerto Rico and the leaders in Greece...</i> Nice slippery slope you are constructing there. Do you have any proof beyond anti-left hysteria that Bernie Sanders would increase social spending to Greece levels or are you just talking your typical anti-left smack? You might want to actually read up on Greece. I know, I know you don't do that. But if you did I think you would find that many political philosophies were at fault in Greece. Yes, their social spending was obscene to even the most leftest of the left in the US. But was in the realm of financial possibility if tax avoidance was not a national pastime. Now which political group in the US are radically anti-tax? This is just an extension of that philosophy. Greece was forced into austerity. Which political group demanded austerity in response to the 2008 financial crisis? I would think the Eurozone would be a states rights wet dream. Very weak Federal government, strong independent states. Well states right folks, does that extend to the freedom of financial mismanagement to a level that brings the rest of the union down? At what point are the banks, who pre 2008 financial crisis were looking at debt as not a risk but a product to sell, responsible for a default by not doing due diligence? Many things worked together to bring Greece down, especially the 2008 finical crisis... That is the problem with Bernie Sanders.. He is no different than the leaders in Detroit, the leaders in Puerto Rico and the leaders in Greece...

Nice slippery slope you are constructing there. Do you have any proof beyond anti-left hysteria that Bernie Sanders would increase social spending to Greece levels or are you just talking your typical anti-left smack?

You might want to actually read up on Greece. I know, I know you don't do that. But if you did I think you would find that many political philosophies were at fault in Greece. Yes, their social spending was obscene to even the most leftest of the left in the US. But was in the realm of financial possibility if tax avoidance was not a national pastime. Now which political group in the US are radically anti-tax? This is just an extension of that philosophy. Greece was forced into austerity. Which political group demanded austerity in response to the 2008 financial crisis? I would think the Eurozone would be a states rights wet dream. Very weak Federal government, strong independent states. Well states right folks, does that extend to the freedom of financial mismanagement to a level that brings the rest of the union down? At what point are the banks, who pre 2008 financial crisis were looking at debt as not a risk but a product to sell, responsible for a default by not doing due diligence? Many things worked together to bring Greece down, especially the 2008 finical crisis...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61165 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 15:18:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61165 https://euobserver.com/social/125368 Looks like the German Welfare system POST-EU is not the cradle to grave system you think it is.. :D Michale https://euobserver.com/social/125368

Looks like the German Welfare system POST-EU is not the cradle to grave system you think it is.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61164 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:59:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61164 <I>The point is this: a well managed social welfare state can work. A well managed systen can work in successful capitalist economy. Germany is one proof, there are others. You made the blanket statement it can't work.</I> Germany is NOT proof because it's welfare program is NOT cradle to grave... It's designed as a hand up, not a hand out.. The kinds of systems that were at work in Detroit and are at work in Puerto Rico and Greece are true Cradle To Grave welfare systems as they are commonly defined.. But don't take my word for it.. Let's ask Yessenia Puente if cradle to grave welfare works.. If paying people NOT to work, paying people who are lazy and drug users is a viable "well managed" system... Lefties in this country oppose drug testing for welfare recipients... Bernie could never be elected POTUS because the American people don't want to be like Greece... It's really that simple... Michale The point is this: a well managed social welfare state can work. A well managed systen can work in successful capitalist economy. Germany is one proof, there are others. You made the blanket statement it can't work.

Germany is NOT proof because it's welfare program is NOT cradle to grave...

It's designed as a hand up, not a hand out..

The kinds of systems that were at work in Detroit and are at work in Puerto Rico and Greece are true Cradle To Grave welfare systems as they are commonly defined..

But don't take my word for it..

Let's ask Yessenia Puente if cradle to grave welfare works..

If paying people NOT to work, paying people who are lazy and drug users is a viable "well managed" system...

Lefties in this country oppose drug testing for welfare recipients...

Bernie could never be elected POTUS because the American people don't want to be like Greece...

It's really that simple...

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61163 TheStig Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:47:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61163 M-9 Yes, the German social security system is nothing like the one in Greece, but it's still a cradle to grave system....and a generous one. It's also well managed, but I already said that. The point is this: a well managed social welfare state can work. A well managed systen can work in successful capitalist economy. Germany is one proof, there are others. You made the blanket statement it can't work. Do you need some help understanding haggling as well? M-9

Yes, the German social security system is nothing like the one in Greece, but it's still a cradle to grave system....and a generous one. It's also well managed, but I already said that.

The point is this: a well managed social welfare state can work. A well managed systen can work in successful capitalist economy. Germany is one proof, there are others. You made the blanket statement it can't work.

Do you need some help understanding haggling as well?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61162 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:42:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61162 Germany's welfare programs are designed to eliminate themselves... They are designed to get people OFF welfare and back to work... Left Wing welfare programs are designed to perpetuate themselves.. Keep people ON welfare. I know this for a fact... Make them dependent on government so sheeple will continue to vote into office the "leaders" that keep them enslaved.... The plantations may have changed but the goal is still the same.. Hold onto power by enslaving the sheeple... Michale Germany's welfare programs are designed to eliminate themselves... They are designed to get people OFF welfare and back to work...

Left Wing welfare programs are designed to perpetuate themselves.. Keep people ON welfare. I know this for a fact...

Make them dependent on government so sheeple will continue to vote into office the "leaders" that keep them enslaved....

The plantations may have changed but the goal is still the same..

Hold onto power by enslaving the sheeple...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61161 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:32:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61161 <I>The chances of Sanders ever being President seem remote in the extreme, on that we more or less agree.</I> And why do you think that is?? Because the vast majority of Americans instinctively recognize a Ponzi Scam when they see it... Michale The chances of Sanders ever being President seem remote in the extreme, on that we more or less agree.

And why do you think that is??

Because the vast majority of Americans instinctively recognize a Ponzi Scam when they see it...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61160 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:23:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61160 <I>It works in Germany! Cradle to grave. Well managed, that's the German touch.</I> Bull.. I *KNOW* Germany.. And I know for a fact that their welfare system is NOTHING like Greece's... Face the facts.. Left Wing governments work for a bit.. Right up to the point that they run out of other people's money.. Then they go the way of Detroit, Puerto Rico and Greece... This is what history has proven beyond any doubt... Michale It works in Germany! Cradle to grave. Well managed, that's the German touch.

Bull.. I *KNOW* Germany.. And I know for a fact that their welfare system is NOTHING like Greece's...

Face the facts.. Left Wing governments work for a bit.. Right up to the point that they run out of other people's money..

Then they go the way of Detroit, Puerto Rico and Greece...

This is what history has proven beyond any doubt...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61159 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:15:49 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61159 <I>So what what is your cause and effect point?</I> The common theme, whether it be Detroit or Puerto Rico or Greece, the common theme is cradle to grave welfare... The common theme is financially taking care of those who refuse to take care of themselves... The common theme is spending other people's money very VERY unwisely... The common theme is people wanting a champagne lifestyle but refuse to even pay for beer and the governments that give them that... That is the problem with Bernie Sanders.. He is no different than the leaders in Detroit, the leaders in Puerto Rico and the leaders in Greece... Promise the people an easy life and take money from those who EARN it to provide that easy life... But the money runs out eventually... Michale So what what is your cause and effect point?

The common theme, whether it be Detroit or Puerto Rico or Greece, the common theme is cradle to grave welfare...

The common theme is financially taking care of those who refuse to take care of themselves...

The common theme is spending other people's money very VERY unwisely...

The common theme is people wanting a champagne lifestyle but refuse to even pay for beer and the governments that give them that...

That is the problem with Bernie Sanders.. He is no different than the leaders in Detroit, the leaders in Puerto Rico and the leaders in Greece...

Promise the people an easy life and take money from those who EARN it to provide that easy life...

But the money runs out eventually...

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61157 TheStig Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:07:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61157 M-8 "That system doesn't work ANYWHERE..." WTF?! It works in Germany! Cradle to grave. Well managed, that's the German touch. Germany has another advantage that Greece doesn't. The other big powers of The Western Block treat Germany as too big to fail. Germany's curse and salvation in the 20th and 21st century are the same thing...economic powerhouse,largely located on a flat plain, in close proximity to the Russian Empire. Poor Greece, geography is destiny. M-8 "That system doesn't work ANYWHERE..."

WTF?!

It works in Germany! Cradle to grave. Well managed, that's the German touch.

Germany has another advantage that Greece doesn't. The other big powers of The Western Block treat Germany as too big to fail. Germany's curse and salvation in the 20th and 21st century are the same thing...economic powerhouse,largely located on a flat plain, in close proximity to the Russian Empire.

Poor Greece, geography is destiny.

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61156 TheStig Tue, 07 Jul 2015 13:42:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61156 M-6 The chances of Sanders ever being President seem remote in the extreme, on that we more or less agree. M-6

The chances of Sanders ever being President seem remote in the extreme, on that we more or less agree.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61155 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 13:39:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61155 <B>“I’ve been thinking about it for a while because I’ve seen how things are deteriorating. But with everything happening now, I decided it’s time to go. The system doesn’t work here. It’s hard to quit and start over but I have no choice. My kids are worried and ask many questions but they understand. We don’t even have money to go to the movies. The cost of living is too high. The government gives money to the people who don’t work, to those doing drugs, living on welfare. I’m not willing to do that anymore.”</B> Puerto Rican Resident Yessenia Puente http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article26622070.html#storylink=cpy Take heart, Mrs Puente.. That system, the system that continues cradle to grave welfare, the system that rewards sloth, laziness and drug use.....??? That system doesn't work ANYWHERE... Bienvenido a los Estados Unidos... Michale “I’ve been thinking about it for a while because I’ve seen how things are deteriorating. But with everything happening now, I decided it’s time to go. The system doesn’t work here.

It’s hard to quit and start over but I have no choice. My kids are worried and ask many questions but they understand. We don’t even have money to go to the movies. The cost of living is too high.

The government gives money to the people who don’t work, to those doing drugs, living on welfare. I’m not willing to do that anymore.”
Puerto Rican Resident Yessenia Puente
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article26622070.html#storylink=cpy

Take heart, Mrs Puente..

That system, the system that continues cradle to grave welfare, the system that rewards sloth, laziness and drug use.....???

That system doesn't work ANYWHERE...

Bienvenido a los Estados Unidos...

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61154 TheStig Tue, 07 Jul 2015 13:36:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61154 M-6 How so? Does Vermont resemble (modern) Greece? Does Burlington resemble (modern) Athens? Vermont is a bit of a backwater, not exactly an easy place to live but a nice one (I've lived about 1/3 of my life in the unpopulated parts of the NE USA). The Shire and Hobbiton, in the best possible USA/reality sense. Sanders' political policies (he was actually quite good at getting them implemented)haven't driven Vt. or Burlington into the ground. Angela Merkel isn't releasing hordes of Orcs on 'em. The voters keep reelecting Sanders with substantial margins. So what what is your cause and effect point? Or this just the handiest thought-free slur you could come up with given your high volume of editorial output? M-6

How so? Does Vermont resemble (modern) Greece? Does Burlington resemble (modern) Athens? Vermont is a bit of a backwater, not exactly an easy place to live but a nice one (I've lived about 1/3 of my life in the unpopulated parts of the NE USA). The Shire and Hobbiton, in the best possible USA/reality sense.

Sanders' political policies (he was actually quite good at getting them implemented)haven't driven Vt. or Burlington into the ground. Angela Merkel isn't releasing hordes of Orcs on 'em. The voters keep reelecting Sanders with substantial margins.

So what what is your cause and effect point? Or this just the handiest thought-free slur you could come up with given your high volume of editorial output?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/07/06/hillary-and-bernie/#comment-61150 Michale Tue, 07 Jul 2015 09:00:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10902#comment-61150 On really doesn't have to wonder what a Bernie presidency would look like. We have a perfect example of that in Greece.... That pretty much answers the "electibility" question... There is no way that Sanders would be elected POTUS.. But, as I said before, the best thing for this country would be if he won the Dem nomination... :D Michale On really doesn't have to wonder what a Bernie presidency would look like.

We have a perfect example of that in Greece....

That pretty much answers the "electibility" question...

There is no way that Sanders would be elected POTUS.. But, as I said before, the best thing for this country would be if he won the Dem nomination... :D

Michale

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