Why is it that those who so vocally and bully'ingly demand tolerance from others are utterly incapable of showing ANY tolerance themselves??

These are rational, logical and legitimate questions that deserve an answer...

Michale

Ironic, iddn't it... :D

Michale

Why??

Honestly.. I don't mean to tread on your feelings and your values and such. You KNOW I would never do that..

But the argument from JM and other Weigantians has been, "It's a commercial transaction, pure and simple.. And feelings should not be part and parcel to the transaction. It's BUSINESS and that's it.."

But NOW, once the "feelings" and "values" and "principles" are on the other foot, once it's the activists who are arguing "feelings" and "values" and "principles", NOW those aspects are suddenly important????

As I said, I understand where you are coming from and I actually agree with you...

My point is that the jeweler has already shown tolerance by providing service to a couple that he morally disagrees with..

Shouldn't it be up to the couple to ALSO show tolerance??

Why is it that those who so vocally and bully'ingly demand tolerance from others are utterly incapable of showing ANY tolerance themselves??

And what does it say about us as a society that we allow such bully'ing and intolerance to take place???

Michale

I guess what I am asking is why is the onus on the jeweler to show tolerance??

Why can't the lesbian couple show tolerance??

As Sarek Of Vulcan so wisely said...

"There can be no offense where none is taken.."

I'm just sayin'...

Michale

A federal appeals court upheld an injunction against President Obama’s new deportation in a ruling Tuesday that marks the second major legal setback for an administration that had insisted its actions were legal.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ruled in favor of Texas, which had sued to stop the amnesty, on all key points, finding that Mr. Obama’s amnesty likely broke the law governing how big policies are to be written.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/26/appeals-court-deals-blow-obama-amnesty/#ixzz3bGsBut6i

Sorry, Democrats.. No millions of fresh newly minted Dem voters for you...

:D

Michale

I would say that it is and I bet you I can prove that to your satisfaction...

I think it's not so much that the store owner didn't agree with the rights of same-sex couples to marry, it's that they posted that disagreement publicly in their place of business, after the fact.

How is that any different than a business posting a GAY PRIDE sign or a Anti-Discrimination Sign in their place of business??

I understand what you are saying, JL and it's a good point... But I submit that if a shopkeeper gave you a good deal and was respectful, then his private personal feelings don't have ANYTHING to do with anything...

It's too close to "Thought Crimes" for my liking...

All I am saying is the argument to date has been, "You don't have to LIKE gay couples and you don't have to APPROVE of their lifestyle.. But you CAN'T discriminate against them.."

With this Canadian incident, the rules have changed..

NOW it's, "Not only can't you discriminate against gay couples, NOW you HAVE to approve of gay couples and their lifestyle or else you will be persecuted and demonized and boycott'ed as if you discriminated against them!!"

No more freedom of thought at all..

If you want to open a business, you MUST not have ANY feelings or values or principles whatsoever..

Where is the tolerance that the gay activists demand so much from others??

Michale

I got married nine months ago and bought our wedding rings. It's one thing if I found out the jeweler who sold me my wedding ring thought privately that my wife and I shouldn't have the right to marry, and something slightly different if they put a picture in their store window post hoc, essentially telling the world that they wish I didn't have that right. It would change my opinion not only about the jeweler, but also about my ring.

Am I saying that massive public pressure was the correct response? Maybe, maybe not. Truth be told Michale, I'm really not sure. But in any case it's not as cut and dried an issue as you're making it out to be.

JL

Several Weigantians (ya'all know who you are.. :D) are on the record as stating a business owner doesn't have to AGREE with the gay bullies/activists...

Business owners just can't discriminate against gay couples..

OK, so here we have a business owner who DOESN'T discriminate against gay couples. A business owner who gives courteous and respectful service to a gay couple..

And yet..

IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH!!!

NOW, not only can't a business owner discriminate against a gay couple..... NOW a business owner *MUST BELIEVE* as the gay couple believes....

How totally frak'ed up is THAT!??

Michale

I don't see no stinkin' insult.. :D

To put it simply..

"I don't like who you are" could be construed as an insult..

"I don't like what you do" is no insult in any way, shape or form...

Even taking that a step further..

"What you do is an abomination before god" is a much stronger statement, but it is still not an insult...

To put it into a readily understandable context...

"Michale is a homophobic scumbag!"

THAT is an insult..

"I don't like Michale's opinions on just about every subject!"

That is NOT an insult... Just a statement of ( I assume) fact.. :D

Michale

So, now we're vilifying and demonizing people and destroying their lives for insults??

What are we?? Islamists?? :D

Please show me the part of the Constitution that insulates and protects people from insults??

Irregardless of that, where exactly is the "insult" if someone says "I support the sanctity of marriage as it is currently defined"...

I don't see no stinkin' insult.. :D

And, irregardless of THAT.... The lesbian couple got respectful and polite service.. They had no complaints..

RIGHT up to the point that they learned how the shopkeeper FEELS.. What the shopkeeper THINKS...

Then they vilified and demonized and boycott'ed...

So, obviously, we're now in the realm of Thought Police coupled with a whole heaping helping of Political Correctness..

Seriously, you support this lesbian couple in their actions???

Michale

Apparently. But only because Michale is a special case.

People wondering why the "Iraqi" troops in Ramadi folded should review this ethnographic map:

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Iraq_Ethnic_sm.png

95% of the military situation can be understood by ethnicity superimposed upon arable land which is largely determined by where water flows.

Ramadi is 75 miles inside Sunni territory, AKA "The Sunni Triangle" where ISSL has roamed more or less freely for months. Ramadi is the capital of a province it does not control and contains a road leading into territory it does not occupy.

Iraq is a fiction. Planning should deal with reality.

Again, the question has to be asked..

Is THIS the best the Democrat Party can offer???

Michale

AND the Left also forgets that Democrats were as much for the invasion of Iraq as Bush was...

A never-acknowledged fact that completely negates the "moral" outrage of the Left...

Michale

Why ya asking me??

OBAMA was the one who said it was stable...

OK, OK... I said it was stable as well.. I guess me and Obama are on the same page regarding the stability of Iraq... :D

But it is simply inarguable that Iraq was more stable when Obama came into office than it will be when Obama leaves office..

And that simply CANNOT be blamed on Bush...

Iraq + Saddam was very stable.

If you were to ask the women and small boys who were yanked from the street and used as Hussein's (Saddam, not the Hussein in the White House) sexual playthings, I think they would object to the term "stable"...

Stability is not the end all.. Nazi Germany was "stable"...

Until it wasn't...

Regardless, when the Left slams and attacks Bush incessantly for Iraq, they seem to forget the people whose lives were BETTER by the removal of Saddam...

Put another way... In hindsight, would anyone have minded if the US had removed Hitler from power? Perhaps Bush had prevented another world war with another Hitler..

I know ideology prevents the Left from conceding that point, but it IS a valid point nonetheless..

"And another thing! 'Furthertheless" is NOT a word!! Stop using it!!"
-Charlie Sheen, SPIN CITY

:D

P.S. Disabling autocorrect makes the Ipad keyboard work properly. Scrolls top to bottom, no need to rotate the device to access hidden patches of text. No more bizarre word substitutions completely altering the sense of the text, although Apple may have considered this a humorous feature, not a flaw.

Have you read some of the AutoCorrect funnies?? Some of them can be REALLY hilarious.. :D

Once again, thanks for the cure.

Once in a while, I get a win... :D

Seriously, though...

"One is honored to be of service.."
-Robin Williams, BICENTENNIAL MAN

:D

Michale

"Iraq was stable"

If Iraq was stable, than why did it collapse when the US combat troops were removed?
A stable state would have carried on. Push a stable system and it reverts to the stable equilibrium. That's the definition of stability.

Iraq + US occupation was stable. However, US occuptation + US politics proved very unstable.....ask Dubya..

Iraq + Saddam was very stable. It survived two very hard pushes, both self inflicted: war with Iran and The Gulf War. Push any system hard enough, and it wll fall fall over (Phud's Law). Dubya and Dick pushed hard enough.

P.S. Disabling autocorrect makes the Ipad keyboard work properly. Scrolls top to bottom, no need to rotate the device to access hidden patches of text. No more bizarre word substitutions completely altering the sense of the text, although Apple may have considered this a humorous feature, not a flaw. Once again, thanks for the cure.

I also must point out that the jeweler in the above case did NOT insult his customers. In fact, the lesbian couple complimented the business owner on his service..

“They were great to work with. They seemed to have no issues. They knew the two of us were a same-sex couple. I referred some of my friends to them, just because I did get some good customer service and they had good prices.”

So there was no insult on the part of the business owner..

There WERE insults, threats and coercion on the part of the lesbian couple and the gay bullies/activists.. Blatant and hysterical intolerance...

And yet, the general consensus around here is that the business owner MUST put up with that in the name of tolerance..

Like I said, it's not about tolerance or equality..

It's about acceptance... Acceptance and power...

Michale

Exactly...

And, conversely, gratuitously attacking, demonizing and vilifying a business owner for their values and beliefs is ALSO within a customer's rights..

But the customer isn't entitled to continue to patronize the business..

A business owner has the right to refuse service.. So says a gay hairdresser in Sante Fe, New Mexico....

As with many things ideologically-based.... It cuts both ways..

I dream of the day someone like that lesbian couple comes into my shop and tries to make a stink along ideological lines..

They will be shown the door so fast it will make their heads spin. And I am sufficiently well-known and respected within my community, that any threats of boycott etc etc will be met with a hearty full bore belly laugh..

And, with MY belly it will be hearty indeed... :D

Michale

Idle: "We are a gay couple who would like you to make us a wedding ring."

Cleese: "Okay. I do not support gay marriage, but I will serve you as anybody else. This, I understand, is how it works."

Idle: "You can’t deny me service simply because you hold different views from mine."

Cleese: "Indeed. I have no intention of doing so. Society is better off when our differences remain private."

Idle: "Okay, let’s do business."

Cleese: "Great."

Idle: "Your private views are disgusting. You can’t make me do business with you. Give me my money back or I’ll unleash the kraken."

Ireland has gone gay...

But let's look at what is happening in Canada...

Seems a lesbian couple went to a christian jeweler to can custom wedding rings made..

I know what you are thinking. You are thinking another case of a scumbag bigot who wouldn't provide service to a gay couple and ya'all are about to get all hot and bothered and rain righteous indignation upon us all..

Well, hold the rain..

Seems this christian business owner did not have a problem with providing excellent and respectful service to this gay couple. This couple was very happy with the service and their rings..

Right up to the point that they found out that this christian did not SUPPORT gay marriage!

What a shock, eh?? The found out that this christian, being true to his values did not support gay marriage..

So, these lesbians felt that this jeweler had "tainted" their wedding rings and, by extension, "tainted" their union so they demanded their money back...

??????

So, let me see if I got this straight..

A christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he would not serve a gay couple....

Another christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he DID serve a gay couple...

The message from the gay bullies/activists is clear..

It's not about keeping your feelings to yourself and just complete a commercial transaction as a commercial transaction period.

You MUST fully believe as this vocal minority wants you to believe OR ELSE!!!

At first this jeweler declined to refund the couple.. He did the work, he put out the expense, why should he refund??

Of course, the gay bullies/activists went apeshit. They mounted a campaign to shut down this business owner. The guy received threats and such until he finally gave in and refunded the lesbian couple..

Now, if anyone can indulge me and explain the logic of this, I would be VERY happy to hear it..

But the message from the gay bullies/activists is clear...

There is no room for ANY beliefs, values and principles other than the beliefs, values and principles of the gay bullies/activists..

You MUST completely and unequivocally believe as THEY believe....

OR ELSE!!!!

It's EXACTLY as I have said it is..

It's not about equality or equal treatment.. This lesbian couple got that.. Completely and unequivocally..

It's about vilifying one belief and FORCING a different belief on people who do not want it..

It's about acceptance... Pure and simple..

"Accept us or we will destroy you! Believe as we believe or we will destroy you!!"

And ya'all wonder why I feel the way I do about gay bullies/activists..

My reasoning and logic is clear.. At least it's clear to those who do not have an ideological agenda...

Michale

Here, here...

People tend to get upset with snobs and elitists who talk down to people who cling to guns and religion..

I've been to a Presbyterian church and nobody engaged in any death-defying theatrics. They were definitely more sensible than rattlesnake-handlers.

They are praying to a fantasy father-figure akin to Santa Claus and/or Spiderman..

"sensible" is not a word I would use, eh? :D

NOW look who is being snobbish! heh

Seriously, though.. I know many religious people. One guy loves to ride his crotch-rocket at speeds exceeding 100mph.. His attitude is likely similar to the attitudes snake handlers have..

I am also constrained to point out that "death-defying theatrics" is not the sole province of the ultra-religious..

Michale

I've been to a Presbyterian church and nobody engaged in any death-defying theatrics. They were definitely more sensible than rattlesnake-handlers.

A rousing chorus of "let us now denigrate the rural poor" may play well with an audience of one's Facebook friends, but it's not exactly good politics, nor does it really tend to make one a better person. Handling snakes in the name of ye olde fairy-tale guy in the sky makes pretty much the same amount of sense as respectable mainline Protestantism does.

Don't tease me.... :D

Michale

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/hillary-clinton-cold-open/2851620

She really nails the voice... :D

Michale

Sums things up so perfectly, it's scary...

Michale

Don't take my word for it..

Take Obama's word...

"The United States is leaving behind a sovereign, stable, and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government.”
-President Barack Obama
Fort Bragg, NC
Dec 2011

Obama is completely, unequivocally and directly responsible for the rise of the "JV" ISIS....

This is fact...

Michale

When Obama took office, Iraq was stable... Iran was feeling the bite of punishing sanctions and ISIS did not exist...

The way things are today are completely 1000% the fault of the current administration..

"Dems da facts, JACK!!!"
-Bill Murray, STRIPES

Michale

Conservative hypocrisy (part 1)

Do you REALLY want to go shot for shot on Progressive v Conservative hypocrisy?? :D

So Jindal just went ahead and changed it on his own. This is nothing short of flaming hypocrisy, folks. Jindal is condemned by his own words on the subject, in fact."

Just so we're clear.. Yer slamming Jindal for his hypocrisy, NOT that he issued the executive order, right??

I would have to agree with you..

As you have laid it out here, it's completely hypocritical.

One person at a time

Once again, we can compare the number of those who have left the Democrat Party vs those who have left the GOP...

And, considering how many TrainWreckCare exchanges are going bankrupt (Hawaii was the latest) and considering the HUGE TWC rate increases that are coming down the pipe....

I honestly don't think the Left should be crowing about ANYTHING to do with TrainWreckCare... :D

I'm just sayin'...

. So let's ask a question that is fair, instead. If you had been president at the time, and knowing only what you did at the time, would you have rushed to invade Iraq or would you have allowed the inspectors to finish their work before launching a war?

You say your question is "fair"... Then you use pejorative terminology like "rushed to invade"...

So, would you have allowed the inspectors to finish their work, or not?"

By the inspectors own reports, they were "finished". There are numerous reports from inspectors which stated that their efforts were stymied by Hussein (Saddam, not the Hussein in the White House :D) and that they could do no more...

If we're going to re-write recent history let's re-write it somewhat accurately.. :D

Irregardless of all that...

What has the Dem Candidate said on this issue??

Hmmmm... If I recall, she said, Mistakes were made... Or words to that effect...

I guess it's only GOP'ers who get slammed when they make obvious statements such as that, eh?? :D

If you are running for the job of commander in chief, don't you think the American people deserve an answer to the question of how many more wars we can expect during your term?"

I completely agree...

So, let's hear from the Dem Candidate for POTUS.. How does SHE answer the question?? :D

Seriously, though.. At least the GOP candidates are OUT there, talking to REAL people (not pre-selected stooges) and taking questions from the press...

They deserve credit for that..

Especially since the coronated Dem Candidate continues to hide in her bubble...

Even if I ignored the multitude and skeletons and baggage Hillary drags around with here, I would not vote for her for POTUS, simply based on the fact that she can't campaign with real people, answering real un-scripted questions..

If the Queen Wannabee can't mingle with the common folk, then I don't want her representing my interests...

Michale

Doesn't anyone else around here see the folly in giving Obama Fast Track authority on a Trade Deal that no one knows what's in it and Democrats resoundingly oppose??

Michale

It's funny..

When a GOP does it, it's "pointless"..

When a Dem does it, it's "principled".. :D

Get to the TPs later..

Michale

Will Hypocrite Nation rally around 19 and Counting like they did for the Swamp Thing Dynasty or will the Duggars go the way of Honey Boo Boo? Do home-schooling snake-handlers get a pass while trailer park divas get the shaft?

Reality TV star and admitted serial child molester Josh Duggar has reigned from his position with Republican anti-gay hate group Family Research Council. His super Republican baby-mill parents apparently thought it was best to hide his crimes from the authorities and pray away the incest. Josh has repented so all is forgiven. Huckabilly is good with Josh because hating gay people is what really matters. It will be interesting to watch the GOP field now that Hickabee has thrown down the gauntlet. Who else will defend the Sex Offender for Jesus and good christian family values?