Comments on: Ireland's Historic Marriage Equality Referendum http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/ Reality-based political commentary Sat, 16 May 2026 01:55:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59738 Michale Mon, 25 May 2015 10:26:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59738 <B>So, a Canadian Christian jeweler custom-made a pair of engagement rings for a lesbian couple, Nicole White and Pam Renouf, at their request. Later, when they found out that the jeweler personally opposes same-sex marriage, they went to pieces and demanded their money back.</B> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/heads-lgbt-win-tails-christians-lose/ So, let me see if I got this straight.. A christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he would not serve a gay couple.... Another christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he DID serve a gay couple... The message from the gay bullies/activists is clear.. It's not about keeping your feelings to yourself and just complete a commercial transaction as a commercial transaction period. You MUST fully believe as this vocal minority wants you to believe OR ELSE!!! And ya'all wonder why I feel the way I feel about gay activists.. They are bullies. Intolerant bullies who will tolerate no other beliefs but their own.. You cannot have your own set of beliefs or values or principles.. You MUST adopt the gay beliefs and values and principles.... OR ELSE!!! And yea... Ireland has gone gay.... Michale So, a Canadian Christian jeweler custom-made a pair of engagement rings for a lesbian couple, Nicole White and Pam Renouf, at their request. Later, when they found out that the jeweler personally opposes same-sex marriage, they went to pieces and demanded their money back.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/heads-lgbt-win-tails-christians-lose/

So, let me see if I got this straight..

A christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he would not serve a gay couple....

Another christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he DID serve a gay couple...

The message from the gay bullies/activists is clear..

It's not about keeping your feelings to yourself and just complete a commercial transaction as a commercial transaction period.

You MUST fully believe as this vocal minority wants you to believe OR ELSE!!!

And ya'all wonder why I feel the way I feel about gay activists..

They are bullies. Intolerant bullies who will tolerate no other beliefs but their own..

You cannot have your own set of beliefs or values or principles.. You MUST adopt the gay beliefs and values and principles....

OR ELSE!!!

And yea... Ireland has gone gay....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59737 Michale Mon, 25 May 2015 10:26:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59737 <B>So, a Canadian Christian jeweler custom-made a pair of engagement rings for a lesbian couple, Nicole White and Pam Renouf, at their request. Later, when they found out that the jeweler personally opposes same-sex marriage, they went to pieces and demanded their money back.</B> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/heads-lgbt-win-tails-christians-lose/ So, let me see if I got this straight.. A christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he would not serve a gay couple.... Another christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he DID serve a gay couple... The message from the gay bullies/activists is clear.. It's not about keeping your feelings to yourself and just complete a commercial transaction as a commercial transaction period. You MUST fully believe as this vocal minority wants you to believe OR ELSE!!! And ya'all wonder why I feel the way I feel about gay activists.. They are bullies. Intolerant bullies who will tolerate no other beliefs but their own.. You cannot have your own set of beliefs or values or principles.. You MUST adopt the gay beliefs and values and principles.... OR ELSE!!! And yea... Ireland has gone gay.... Michale So, a Canadian Christian jeweler custom-made a pair of engagement rings for a lesbian couple, Nicole White and Pam Renouf, at their request. Later, when they found out that the jeweler personally opposes same-sex marriage, they went to pieces and demanded their money back.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/heads-lgbt-win-tails-christians-lose/

So, let me see if I got this straight..

A christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he would not serve a gay couple....

Another christian business owner is attacked and vilified by the gay bullies/activists because he DID serve a gay couple...

The message from the gay bullies/activists is clear..

It's not about keeping your feelings to yourself and just complete a commercial transaction as a commercial transaction period.

You MUST fully believe as this vocal minority wants you to believe OR ELSE!!!

And ya'all wonder why I feel the way I feel about gay activists..

They are bullies. Intolerant bullies who will tolerate no other beliefs but their own..

You cannot have your own set of beliefs or values or principles.. You MUST adopt the gay beliefs and values and principles....

OR ELSE!!!

And yea... Ireland has gone gay....

Michale

]]> By: Friday Talking Points - Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold - Houston Sun Post http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59716 Friday Talking Points - Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold - Houston Sun Post Sat, 23 May 2015 10:10:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59716 [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...] [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...]

]]> By: Friday Talking Points [347] — Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold « Democrats for Progress http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59713 Friday Talking Points [347] — Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold « Democrats for Progress Sat, 23 May 2015 08:50:04 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59713 [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...] [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...]

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59712 Michale Sat, 23 May 2015 08:29:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59712 <I>You forget Justice Robert's comment during the case on same sex marriage... He asked why it could not be argued as case of gender discrimination.... if a man could marry a woman, but could not marry another man...</I> Using that reasoning, it's "gender discrimination" that a man can't use a woman's bathroom... It's "gender discrimination" that Queen Elizabeth can't be KING Elizabeth.. There are literally MILLIONS of examples of what you would call "gender discrimination" in today's society.. I know, it's tough.. But it's the price we pay for... yunno... civilization... :^/ Michale You forget Justice Robert's comment during the case on same sex marriage... He asked why it could not be argued as case of gender discrimination.... if a man could marry a woman, but could not marry another man...

Using that reasoning, it's "gender discrimination" that a man can't use a woman's bathroom...

It's "gender discrimination" that Queen Elizabeth can't be KING Elizabeth..

There are literally MILLIONS of examples of what you would call "gender discrimination" in today's society..

I know, it's tough..

But it's the price we pay for... yunno... civilization... :^/

Michale

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]]> By: Friday Talking Points - Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold - Chicago Times Post http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59699 Friday Talking Points - Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold - Chicago Times Post Sat, 23 May 2015 04:33:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59699 [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...] [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...]

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]]> By: SALT SWEET SOUR – Friday Talking Points — Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59693 SALT SWEET SOUR – Friday Talking Points — Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold Sat, 23 May 2015 03:51:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59693 [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...] [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...]

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]]> By: Friday Talking Points — Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold | http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59672 Friday Talking Points — Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold | Sat, 23 May 2015 01:03:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59672 [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...] [...] to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that’s worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...]

]]> By: ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [347] -- Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59670 ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [347] -- Spinning Straw (Polls) Into Gold Sat, 23 May 2015 00:30:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59670 [...] to wait to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that's worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...] [...] to wait to see how it did. Turnout was notably high, for whatever that's worth. I wrote about this earlier in the week, and how the arguments for the changing nature of marriage are a bit different in Ireland, where [...]

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59666 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 17:29:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59666 It's not rocket science at all so I am honestly confused as to why you can't grasp the concept.. The current definition of marriage is a man and a woman... You want to change the definition of marriage to include and man and man or a woman and a woman ONLY... There are people out there who want to change the definition of marriage to include multiple (more than 2) men and/or women. There may even be people out there who want to change the definition of marriage to include ONE person and a personal inanimate object... What makes YOU right and all those other people wrong?? Why is YOUR way the only way and THEIR way "silly"??? You see the point?? You go on and on about "equality" yet when it comes to something you don't approve of, "equality" goes out the window.. Either you are for equality for all or you are not... <B>"There is no try.. Do.... Or do not..."</B> -Yoda Michale It's not rocket science at all so I am honestly confused as to why you can't grasp the concept..

The current definition of marriage is a man and a woman...

You want to change the definition of marriage to include and man and man or a woman and a woman ONLY...

There are people out there who want to change the definition of marriage to include multiple (more than 2) men and/or women.

There may even be people out there who want to change the definition of marriage to include ONE person and a personal inanimate object...

What makes YOU right and all those other people wrong??

Why is YOUR way the only way and THEIR way "silly"???

You see the point??

You go on and on about "equality" yet when it comes to something you don't approve of, "equality" goes out the window..

Either you are for equality for all or you are not...

"There is no try.. Do.... Or do not..."
-Yoda

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59665 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 16:28:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59665 You might think my examples are silly.. But they are no more silly than a man marrying a man was silly a hundred years ago.. What's silly at one time becomes common place at a later time... And as sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, you can bet that if the millennia-old definition of marriage is allowed to be changed SOLELY on a whim to appease a vocal minority who has made a certain lifestyle choice then there WILL be other vocal minorities down the road who will want to change the definition of marriage AGAIN to suit THEIR lifestyle choices... You don't think there is a slippery slope?? Most people don't... Right up to the point they find themselves careening down it completely out of control... Michale You might think my examples are silly..

But they are no more silly than a man marrying a man was silly a hundred years ago..

What's silly at one time becomes common place at a later time...

And as sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, you can bet that if the millennia-old definition of marriage is allowed to be changed SOLELY on a whim to appease a vocal minority who has made a certain lifestyle choice then there WILL be other vocal minorities down the road who will want to change the definition of marriage AGAIN to suit THEIR lifestyle choices...

You don't think there is a slippery slope??

Most people don't...

Right up to the point they find themselves careening down it completely out of control...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59664 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 16:22:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59664 Even CW has said (correct me if I am wrong, CW) that the argument in support of gay marriage is the EXACT same argument that supports polyamory marriages... So, if you have a problem with that argument...... Well, it's your problem. :D <B>"What's with the cat??" "The cat.. Oh well, there's a problem with the cat.. Sign here." "OK.. <I>{scribble, scribble}</I> The cat??" "It's your problem.."</B> -Men In Black :D Michale Even CW has said (correct me if I am wrong, CW) that the argument in support of gay marriage is the EXACT same argument that supports polyamory marriages...

So, if you have a problem with that argument...... Well, it's your problem. :D

"What's with the cat??"
"The cat.. Oh well, there's a problem with the cat.. Sign here."
"OK.. {scribble, scribble} The cat??"
"It's your problem.."
-Men In Black

:D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59663 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 16:16:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59663 <I>The answer Michale, is that gay or same sex marriage will NOT lead to anything else. </I> You keep saying that yet provide absolutely NO evidence to support the claim.. <I>If you want to continue to argue that the logical conclusion to gay marriage is that a man should also be able to marry his automobile as well, because that is only equally fair, then I hope you are happy in your straight jacketed rubber room all alone by yourself.</I> Which simply proves the validity of the claim. You can't answer it because the ONLY possible answer exposes the political partisan agenda at work... <I>When a rutabaga can verbally give its consent to marriage and is physically capable of signing its own name on the dotted line, you can get back to me.</I> What does consent have to do with anything?? Do you have to get consent from the rutabaga if you go buy it at the store?? Does a porsche have to sign on the dotted line so that you can own it???? Of course not.. Why?? Because it is not a sentient being.. So why would a rutabaga or a porsche have to consent to a marriage?? Answer... They wouldn't because they are not sentient beings.. So why would you discriminate against a man who wants to marry his porsche or a woman who wants to marry her rutabaga?? Answer... Because they don't serve your political agenda... It's really quite simple once you are able to rise above ideological enslavement... Michale The answer Michale, is that gay or same sex marriage will NOT lead to anything else.

You keep saying that yet provide absolutely NO evidence to support the claim..

If you want to continue to argue that the logical conclusion to gay marriage is that a man should also be able to marry his automobile as well, because that is only equally fair, then I hope you are happy in your straight jacketed rubber room all alone by yourself.

Which simply proves the validity of the claim. You can't answer it because the ONLY possible answer exposes the political partisan agenda at work...

When a rutabaga can verbally give its consent to marriage and is physically capable of signing its own name on the dotted line, you can get back to me.

What does consent have to do with anything??

Do you have to get consent from the rutabaga if you go buy it at the store??

Does a porsche have to sign on the dotted line so that you can own it????

Of course not.. Why??

Because it is not a sentient being..

So why would a rutabaga or a porsche have to consent to a marriage??

Answer...

They wouldn't because they are not sentient beings..

So why would you discriminate against a man who wants to marry his porsche or a woman who wants to marry her rutabaga??

Answer...

Because they don't serve your political agenda...

It's really quite simple once you are able to rise above ideological enslavement...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59662 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 16:03:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59662 <I>1.) Actually Michale this HAS been answered over and over again, countless times. YOU just don't want to accept the answer you have been given.</I> Because the answer given is a NON-ANSWER.. It's like you ask me how much is it going to cost to fix your laptop and I tell you, "It might rain today." And you get bitchy and wonder why I don't answer your question and I get bitchier and tell you I DID answer your question. You just don't like the answer.. <I>Marriage is NOT defined as between a man and a woman. That's YOUR opinion ONLY. That's what the whole court case is about in the first place!</I> And now you resort to blatant falsehoods.. Marriage IS defined as a man and a woman.. If it weren't then we would not be having this discussion and there wouldn't be ANY issue whatsoever.. <I>You forget Justice Robert's comment during the case on same sex marriage... He asked why it could not be argued as case of gender discrimination.... if a man could marry a woman, but could not marry another man...</I> Funny how you latch on to CJ Robert's words, but totally ignore Justice Kennedy's words that state that marriage has been defined as a man and a woman for a millennia.. Agenda much?? :D <I>The Equal Protection clause applies to same categories of people being treated differently from each other for no good reason. Banning two people from getting married to each other because they are gay, or of the same gender, when you allow opposite sex couples to get married, is discrimination.</I> And not letting a man marry his porsche is ALSO discrimination.. And none of your non-answers has addressed this simple fact.. <I>So, in your opinion gays don't deserve equality and are being bullies by wanting equality? </I> Gays HAVE equality.. Gays have MORE than equality considering that it's a lifestyle choice.. But gay activists/bullies don't WANT equality... They want acceptance for their chosen lifestyle.. And THAT is just never going to happen. ESPECIALLY when it's coerced... <I>You said you were opposed to bullies, right? Then you should be just as equally opposed to Christians being bullies to gays, right???</I> There is no case of christians being bullies to gays.. If a gay guy goes into a bar and picks a fight with a bunch of bikers, are the bikers being bullies?? Of course not. The guy is being a jack-ass for knowingly going into a place and picking a fight where he knows he is not wanted... THAT is the exact situation that you are referring to with the christian bakers and such.. You refute the position that, "It's my business and I have a right to refuse service to anyone!!" Funny thing is that you IGNORE it when a gay hairdresser says the EXACT same thing when he refuses a GOP Governor.. You have yet to address ANY point that's been made.. And your NON-response simply proves the validity the position.. Have you ever sat down with a christian and actually TALKED to them about why they oppose gay marriage??? Of course not.. It's much easier for the Left to just scream HATE MONGER!! and BIGOT!!! and HOMOPHOBE!!! rather than actually TRY to understand the other side's point of view.. I bet if CW were to have a christian guest author come here and espouse the views as to why gay marriage is wrong, no one here would care a whit about their views. Granted, most Weigantians would likely be polite because that's the way Weigantians are... But anyone else from the Left would just attack the author and call him names.. Regardless, neither you nor anyone else would give ANY credence to an opposing viewpoint.. That's why my unique position gives me an insight that you can never have... Not being enslaved by any political ideology, I can see clearly BOTH sides of an issue objectively and without the fog of partisan slavery.. I don't agree with the christian point of view. It has many flaws.. But I *DO* respect their point of view and acknowledge their right to HAVE that point of view.. No one here can make the same claim... Michale 1.) Actually Michale this HAS been answered over and over again, countless times. YOU just don't want to accept the answer you have been given.

Because the answer given is a NON-ANSWER..

It's like you ask me how much is it going to cost to fix your laptop and I tell you, "It might rain today."

And you get bitchy and wonder why I don't answer your question and I get bitchier and tell you I DID answer your question. You just don't like the answer..

Marriage is NOT defined as between a man and a woman. That's YOUR opinion ONLY. That's what the whole court case is about in the first place!

And now you resort to blatant falsehoods..

Marriage IS defined as a man and a woman.. If it weren't then we would not be having this discussion and there wouldn't be ANY issue whatsoever..

You forget Justice Robert's comment during the case on same sex marriage... He asked why it could not be argued as case of gender discrimination.... if a man could marry a woman, but could not marry another man...

Funny how you latch on to CJ Robert's words, but totally ignore Justice Kennedy's words that state that marriage has been defined as a man and a woman for a millennia..

Agenda much?? :D

The Equal Protection clause applies to same categories of people being treated differently from each other for no good reason. Banning two people from getting married to each other because they are gay, or of the same gender, when you allow opposite sex couples to get married, is discrimination.

And not letting a man marry his porsche is ALSO discrimination..

And none of your non-answers has addressed this simple fact..

So, in your opinion gays don't deserve equality and are being bullies by wanting equality?

Gays HAVE equality.. Gays have MORE than equality considering that it's a lifestyle choice..

But gay activists/bullies don't WANT equality...

They want acceptance for their chosen lifestyle..

And THAT is just never going to happen. ESPECIALLY when it's coerced...

You said you were opposed to bullies, right? Then you should be just as equally opposed to Christians being bullies to gays, right???

There is no case of christians being bullies to gays..

If a gay guy goes into a bar and picks a fight with a bunch of bikers, are the bikers being bullies??

Of course not. The guy is being a jack-ass for knowingly going into a place and picking a fight where he knows he is not wanted...

THAT is the exact situation that you are referring to with the christian bakers and such.. You refute the position that, "It's my business and I have a right to refuse service to anyone!!"

Funny thing is that you IGNORE it when a gay hairdresser says the EXACT same thing when he refuses a GOP Governor..

You have yet to address ANY point that's been made.. And your NON-response simply proves the validity the position..

Have you ever sat down with a christian and actually TALKED to them about why they oppose gay marriage???

Of course not.. It's much easier for the Left to just scream HATE MONGER!! and BIGOT!!! and HOMOPHOBE!!! rather than actually TRY to understand the other side's point of view..

I bet if CW were to have a christian guest author come here and espouse the views as to why gay marriage is wrong, no one here would care a whit about their views. Granted, most Weigantians would likely be polite because that's the way Weigantians are... But anyone else from the Left would just attack the author and call him names.. Regardless, neither you nor anyone else would give ANY credence to an opposing viewpoint..

That's why my unique position gives me an insight that you can never have...

Not being enslaved by any political ideology, I can see clearly BOTH sides of an issue objectively and without the fog of partisan slavery..

I don't agree with the christian point of view. It has many flaws..

But I *DO* respect their point of view and acknowledge their right to HAVE that point of view..

No one here can make the same claim...

Michale

]]> By: John M http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59661 John M Fri, 22 May 2015 15:47:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59661 The answer Michale, is that gay or same sex marriage will NOT lead to anything else. There is NO slippery slope and there never has been. That's just a tired, worn out old argument that has been tried countless times to be used by opponents against gay marriage, and has failed miserably repeatedly because it makes no logical sense whatsoever. Just as the marital union of two people is an entirely separate and distinct question from the union of more than two people. If you want to continue to argue that the logical conclusion to gay marriage is that a man should also be able to marry his automobile as well, because that is only equally fair, then I hope you are happy in your straight jacketed rubber room all alone by yourself. The answer Michale, is that gay or same sex marriage will NOT lead to anything else. There is NO slippery slope and there never has been. That's just a tired, worn out old argument that has been tried countless times to be used by opponents against gay marriage, and has failed miserably repeatedly because it makes no logical sense whatsoever. Just as the marital union of two people is an entirely separate and distinct question from the union of more than two people.

If you want to continue to argue that the logical conclusion to gay marriage is that a man should also be able to marry his automobile as well, because that is only equally fair, then I hope you are happy in your straight jacketed rubber room all alone by yourself.

]]> By: John M http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59660 John M Fri, 22 May 2015 15:38:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59660 Michale wrote: “Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by one or more persons without distinction as to their sex and without distinction to the object of their desired matrimony.” No one can answer that because no one wants to concede where this might lead... 1.) Actually Michale this HAS been answered over and over again, countless times. YOU just don't want to accept the answer you have been given. Which is that your contention is totally without merit and completely ridiculous. When a rutabaga can verbally give its consent to marriage and is physically capable of signing its own name on the dotted line, you can get back to me. Until such time, stop with the totally absurd already! Marriage is NOT defined as between a man and a woman. That's YOUR opinion ONLY. That's what the whole court case is about in the first place! You forget Justice Robert's comment during the case on same sex marriage... He asked why it could not be argued as case of gender discrimination.... if a man could marry a woman, but could not marry another man... The Equal Protection clause applies to same categories of people being treated differently from each other for no good reason. Banning two people from getting married to each other because they are gay, or of the same gender, when you allow opposite sex couples to get married, is discrimination. Banning all people from getting married as a group, is NOT discrimination. It would only be discrimination if for example, you allowed a husband to have multiple wives, but you did not allow a wife to have multiple husbands. For the life of me Michale, I don't understand why you can't follow that simple logic! So, in your opinion gays don't deserve equality and are being bullies by wanting equality? How are Christians NOT being bullies by denying gays the right to marry? You said you were opposed to bullies, right? Then you should be just as equally opposed to Christians being bullies to gays, right??? Michale wrote:

“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by one or more persons without distinction as to their sex and without distinction to the object of their desired matrimony.”

No one can answer that because no one wants to concede where this might lead...

1.) Actually Michale this HAS been answered over and over again, countless times. YOU just don't want to accept the answer you have been given.

Which is that your contention is totally without merit and completely ridiculous. When a rutabaga can verbally give its consent to marriage and is physically capable of signing its own name on the dotted line, you can get back to me. Until such time, stop with the totally absurd already!

Marriage is NOT defined as between a man and a woman. That's YOUR opinion ONLY. That's what the whole court case is about in the first place!

You forget Justice Robert's comment during the case on same sex marriage... He asked why it could not be argued as case of gender discrimination.... if a man could marry a woman, but could not marry another man...

The Equal Protection clause applies to same categories of people being treated differently from each other for no good reason. Banning two people from getting married to each other because they are gay, or of the same gender, when you allow opposite sex couples to get married, is discrimination.

Banning all people from getting married as a group, is NOT discrimination. It would only be discrimination if for example, you allowed a husband to have multiple wives, but you did not allow a wife to have multiple husbands.

For the life of me Michale, I don't understand why you can't follow that simple logic!

So, in your opinion gays don't deserve equality and are being bullies by wanting equality? How are Christians NOT being bullies by denying gays the right to marry? You said you were opposed to bullies, right? Then you should be just as equally opposed to Christians being bullies to gays, right???

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59656 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 12:08:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59656 If a person needs a piece of paper from society and to have society sign off on the fact that they love someone then I submit that the problem is NOT with society... Michale If a person needs a piece of paper from society and to have society sign off on the fact that they love someone then I submit that the problem is NOT with society...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59653 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 10:17:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59653 <I>please read that Irish article link.</I> I did.. <B>Still, analysts caution that the margin of support has narrowed in recent weeks and the vote’s outcome is not certain. They suspect that some conservative voters might be shy about publicly saying they are likely to vote no.</B> The "shy voter", the voter who feels bullied will likely do in the Amendment proposal... Just like the liberals in the UK were decimated by the "shy voter"... So, I would caution on assuming a win, either in Ireland or with the SCOTUS... Michale Michale please read that Irish article link.

I did..

Still, analysts caution that the margin of support has narrowed in recent weeks and the vote’s outcome is not certain. They suspect that some conservative voters might be shy about publicly saying they are likely to vote no.

The "shy voter", the voter who feels bullied will likely do in the Amendment proposal...

Just like the liberals in the UK were decimated by the "shy voter"...

So, I would caution on assuming a win, either in Ireland or with the SCOTUS...

Michale

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59652 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 09:43:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59652 <I>This is the proposed Irish amendment.. “Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex.” So, what's wrong with this amendment?? “Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two or more persons without distinction as to their sex.”</I> In all fairness to CW, he DID bring this up in a very good commentary a while back.. But he is the ONLY one who has addressed it.. Everyone else is afraid to address the issue because it totally negates their position and exposes the nekkid partisan agenda at work... Just wanted to make sure credit was given where it was due.. Michale This is the proposed Irish amendment..

“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex.”

So, what's wrong with this amendment??

“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two or more persons without distinction as to their sex.”

In all fairness to CW, he DID bring this up in a very good commentary a while back..

But he is the ONLY one who has addressed it..

Everyone else is afraid to address the issue because it totally negates their position and exposes the nekkid partisan agenda at work...

Just wanted to make sure credit was given where it was due..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59650 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 09:10:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59650 A sign of the times.. <B>“In symbolic terms, it is also incredibly important because it says to Irish lesbian and gay people, especially young people, that they too can grow up in a country that values them,” </B> -Brian Sheehan, codirector of Yes Equality Apparently, in Ireland, being valued for hard work and being a contributing member of society is not sufficient nor desirable.... To be valued SOLELY based on who they have sex with?? Now THAT is what's important... Jeeesh... This is exactly why the debate is so stoopid... Michale A sign of the times..

“In symbolic terms, it is also incredibly important because it says to Irish lesbian and gay people, especially young people, that they too can grow up in a country that values them,”
-Brian Sheehan, codirector of Yes Equality

Apparently, in Ireland, being valued for hard work and being a contributing member of society is not sufficient nor desirable....

To be valued SOLELY based on who they have sex with??

Now THAT is what's important... Jeeesh...

This is exactly why the debate is so stoopid...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59649 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 09:03:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59649 This is the proposed Irish amendment.. <B>“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex.”</B> So, what's wrong with this amendment?? <B>“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two or more persons without distinction as to their sex.”</B> Or this one... <B>“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by one or more persons without distinction as to their sex and without distinction to the object of their desired matrimony.”</B> No one can answer that because no one wants to concede where this might lead... It's easier to just ignore such questions with such bogus claims of, 'Oh THAT will never happen!!' That's intellectual cowardice... Michale This is the proposed Irish amendment..

“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex.”

So, what's wrong with this amendment??

“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two or more persons without distinction as to their sex.”

Or this one...

“Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by one or more persons without distinction as to their sex and without distinction to the object of their desired matrimony.”

No one can answer that because no one wants to concede where this might lead...

It's easier to just ignore such questions with such bogus claims of, 'Oh THAT will never happen!!'

That's intellectual cowardice...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59648 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 08:58:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59648 <I>Even FOX admits it's up to 48%. And that's saying something.</I> OK, so the HuffPoop poll is wrong. 60% of Americans don't support gay marriage... More than HALF of Americans don't support gay marriage.. As I said, I don't give a....er.. rat's ass :D about gay marriage... *I* hate bullies. And that's my only involvement in this issue... Gay activists don't DESERVE this win... They'll probably get it, you're right about that. But they sure as hell don't deserve it.. Michale Even FOX admits it's up to 48%. And that's saying something.

OK, so the HuffPoop poll is wrong. 60% of Americans don't support gay marriage...

More than HALF of Americans don't support gay marriage..

As I said, I don't give a....er.. rat's ass :D about gay marriage...

*I* hate bullies. And that's my only involvement in this issue...

Gay activists don't DESERVE this win...

They'll probably get it, you're right about that.

But they sure as hell don't deserve it..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59645 Michale Fri, 22 May 2015 08:45:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59645 CW, <I>Oh, please do quote a reputable poll (even one from Fox) that states that only 20% of the American public currently supports gay marriage. I bet you 1,000 hard, cold Quatloos you can't. Not with the date on the poll reading "2014" or later...</I> I was using that as a 'fer instance'... A FoxNews poll would not be acceptable form of "proof" of a position, correct?? <I>As for "millenia," please read that Irish article link. That was like 20-30 years ago, in a de facto Catholic theocracy. Marriage is redefined all the time. People get over it. Life goes on.</I> It's not MY statement, it's Justice Kennedy's statement. Argue with him.. :D <I>Polygamy has a history many millenia long, too. Sanctified in the Bible and everything. So should that be the law today in America?</I> Polygamy STILL is a man/woma(e)n dynamic... What ya'all are talking about ain't... What's your position on a man marrying his hamster or a woman marrying her rutabaga?? I mean if marriage is a Constitutional right, then you simply HAVE to agree that a man SHOULD be able to marry his hamster... Michale CW,

Oh, please do quote a reputable poll (even one from Fox) that states that only 20% of the American public currently supports gay marriage.

I bet you 1,000 hard, cold Quatloos you can't. Not with the date on the poll reading "2014" or later...

I was using that as a 'fer instance'... A FoxNews poll would not be acceptable form of "proof" of a position, correct??

As for "millenia," please read that Irish article link. That was like 20-30 years ago, in a de facto Catholic theocracy. Marriage is redefined all the time. People get over it. Life goes on.

It's not MY statement, it's Justice Kennedy's statement. Argue with him.. :D

Polygamy has a history many millenia long, too. Sanctified in the Bible and everything. So should that be the law today in America?

Polygamy STILL is a man/woma(e)n dynamic...

What ya'all are talking about ain't...

What's your position on a man marrying his hamster or a woman marrying her rutabaga??

I mean if marriage is a Constitutional right, then you simply HAVE to agree that a man SHOULD be able to marry his hamster...

Michale

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59641 Chris Weigant Fri, 22 May 2015 06:24:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59641 Michale - Here you go: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/27/fox-news-poll-48-percent-favor-same-sex-marriage-51-percent-say-legalize/ Even FOX admits it's up to 48%. And that's saying something. My virtual bank will be waiting for your automated Quatloo deposit in the morning... heh... -CW Michale -

Here you go:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/27/fox-news-poll-48-percent-favor-same-sex-marriage-51-percent-say-legalize/

Even FOX admits it's up to 48%. And that's saying something.

My virtual bank will be waiting for your automated Quatloo deposit in the morning... heh...

-CW

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59640 Chris Weigant Fri, 22 May 2015 06:21:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59640 Michale [23] - Oh, please do quote a reputable poll (even one from Fox) that states that only 20% of the American public currently supports gay marriage. I bet you 1,000 hard, cold Quatloos you can't. Not with the date on the poll reading "2014" or later... :-) Reality has changed. Them's the facts, Jack. As for "millenia," please read that Irish article link. That was like 20-30 years ago, in a <em>de facto</em> Catholic theocracy. Marriage is redefined <em>all the time</em>. People get over it. Life goes on. Polygamy has a history many millenia long, too. Sanctified in the Bible and everything. So should that be the law today in America? <em>You got to know when to hold 'em, Know when to fold 'em</em> -Kenny Rogers, "The Gambler" -CW Michale [23] -

Oh, please do quote a reputable poll (even one from Fox) that states that only 20% of the American public currently supports gay marriage.

I bet you 1,000 hard, cold Quatloos you can't. Not with the date on the poll reading "2014" or later...

:-)

Reality has changed. Them's the facts, Jack.

As for "millenia," please read that Irish article link. That was like 20-30 years ago, in a de facto Catholic theocracy. Marriage is redefined all the time. People get over it. Life goes on.

Polygamy has a history many millenia long, too. Sanctified in the Bible and everything. So should that be the law today in America?

You got to know when to hold 'em,
Know when to fold 'em
-Kenny Rogers, "The Gambler"

-CW

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59637 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 22:14:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59637 It's also Justice Ginsberg battle as well... Michale It's also Justice Ginsberg battle as well...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59634 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 20:59:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59634 I am also constrained to point out that it's not just "my" battle, even if it were my battle.. <B>"The word that keeps coming back to me in this case is millennia, plus time. ... This definition of marriage has been with us for millennia. And it's very difficult for the court to say 'Oh well, we know better.'"</B> -SCOTUS Justice Kennedy It's Justice Kennedy's "battle".... Michale I am also constrained to point out that it's not just "my" battle, even if it were my battle..

"The word that keeps coming back to me in this case is millennia, plus time. ... This definition of marriage has been with us for millennia. And it's very difficult for the court to say 'Oh well, we know better.'"
-SCOTUS Justice Kennedy

It's Justice Kennedy's "battle"....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59633 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 20:44:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59633 <I>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/support-for-same-sex-marriage-_n_7342790.html 60% and climibing...</I> I can quote FoxNews and it will say something like 20%... Would you buy that?? :D Michale http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/support-for-same-sex-marriage-_n_7342790.html

60% and climibing...

I can quote FoxNews and it will say something like 20%...

Would you buy that?? :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59631 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 20:39:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59631 <I>Yer fightin' a losin' battle there, pardner...</I> It's not "my" battle at all.. I am already married to the same lovely and beautiful woman for the last 33 years.. I am not interested in marrying a guy... I am as religiously agnostic as is possible to be... So this is, in NO way, shape or form, "my" battle... My argument is, always has been and always will be against bullies who think they have the right to impose their beliefs on someone else who does not share them... <B>Think Like a Liberal--or Else</B> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/05/21/think_like_a_liberal--or_else_126675.html When you look at it, "my" battle is your battle... If a man can marry a man then there is no reason why a man can't marry several men (and/or women)... And, taking our (yours and mine) argument one step further, there is no reason why a man (or a woman) can't marry their car or their hamster or their rutabaga. That's the problem with slippery slope arguments.. They end up in the damnest places... :D Michale Yer fightin' a losin' battle there, pardner...

It's not "my" battle at all..

I am already married to the same lovely and beautiful woman for the last 33 years..

I am not interested in marrying a guy...

I am as religiously agnostic as is possible to be...

So this is, in NO way, shape or form, "my" battle...

My argument is, always has been and always will be against bullies who think they have the right to impose their beliefs on someone else who does not share them...

Think Like a Liberal--or Else
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/05/21/think_like_a_liberal--or_else_126675.html

When you look at it, "my" battle is your battle...

If a man can marry a man then there is no reason why a man can't marry several men (and/or women)...

And, taking our (yours and mine) argument one step further, there is no reason why a man (or a woman) can't marry their car or their hamster or their rutabaga.

That's the problem with slippery slope arguments..

They end up in the damnest places... :D

Michale

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59629 Chris Weigant Thu, 21 May 2015 19:52:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59629 Michale [3] - I know Maine was one...[looks it up]... yep, Maine, Maryland and Washington state. Michale [4] - <em>It tells me that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage...</em> Allow me to correct that for you... the verb should read "were"... there you go! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/support-for-same-sex-marriage-_n_7342790.html 60% and climibing... TheStig [6] - Mayor Quimby: "How long will it take you to flood this town with alcohol again?" Fat Tony: "Four minutes." Next scene begins with title text: "Four minutes later"... Heh. http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Homer_vs._the_Eighteenth_Amendment/Quotes Michale [14] - As John M said, cultures change. See first link in this comment. 60% and rising... Yer fightin' a losin' battle there, pardner... -CW Michale [3] -

I know Maine was one...[looks it up]... yep, Maine, Maryland and Washington state.

Michale [4] -

It tells me that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage...

Allow me to correct that for you... the verb should read "were"... there you go!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/support-for-same-sex-marriage-_n_7342790.html

60% and climibing...

TheStig [6] -

Mayor Quimby: "How long will it take you to flood this town with alcohol again?"
Fat Tony: "Four minutes."

Next scene begins with title text: "Four minutes later"...

Heh.

http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Homer_vs._the_Eighteenth_Amendment/Quotes

Michale [14] -

As John M said, cultures change. See first link in this comment. 60% and rising...

Yer fightin' a losin' battle there, pardner...

-CW

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59627 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 18:01:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59627 <I>I assume you are referring to the EQUAL PROTECTION Clause of the US Constitution...</I> The reason I ask is that I have read the US Constitution up, down and sideways six ways from Sunday and I cannot find a SINGLE mention of the right of a man to marry another man or a woman to marry another woman... The EPC is the closest thing I can find that MIGHT have some relevance... Michale I assume you are referring to the EQUAL PROTECTION Clause of the US Constitution...

The reason I ask is that I have read the US Constitution up, down and sideways six ways from Sunday and I cannot find a SINGLE mention of the right of a man to marry another man or a woman to marry another woman...

The EPC is the closest thing I can find that MIGHT have some relevance...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59626 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 17:57:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59626 <I>The Supreme Court has ruled at least 11 different times so far now that marriage is a constitutional right.</I> I assume you are referring to the EQUAL PROTECTION Clause of the US Constitution... Tell me.. Does the EPC apply to everyone who wishes to marry?? Michale The Supreme Court has ruled at least 11 different times so far now that marriage is a constitutional right.

I assume you are referring to the EQUAL PROTECTION Clause of the US Constitution...

Tell me.. Does the EPC apply to everyone who wishes to marry??

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59625 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 17:51:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59625 <I>The Supreme Court has ruled at least 11 different times so far now that marriage is a constitutional right.</I> <B>"The word that keeps coming back to me in this case is millennia, plus time. ... This definition of marriage has been with us for millennia. And it's very difficult for the court to say 'Oh well, we know better.'"</B> -SCOTUS Justice Kennedy Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.. Ergo, a man and a woman wanting to get married is a constitutional right. A man and a man or a woman and a rutabaga getting married?? Not so much... <I>Do you really think Michale that they are going to rule any differently now???</I> I only know what Justice Kennedy and Justice Ginsberg have stated for the record... <I>You do know that most of the states that voted against gay marriage originally did so almost 10 years ago now, and that no state has voted against it since North Carolina in 2012, and their ban lasted only 2 years? The outcome would be quite different today than it was 10 years ago.</I> That's your opinion and I respect that.. Doesn't make it so... Michale The Supreme Court has ruled at least 11 different times so far now that marriage is a constitutional right.

"The word that keeps coming back to me in this case is millennia, plus time. ... This definition of marriage has been with us for millennia. And it's very difficult for the court to say 'Oh well, we know better.'"
-SCOTUS Justice Kennedy

Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman..

Ergo, a man and a woman wanting to get married is a constitutional right.

A man and a man or a woman and a rutabaga getting married??

Not so much...

Do you really think Michale that they are going to rule any differently now???

I only know what Justice Kennedy and Justice Ginsberg have stated for the record...

You do know that most of the states that voted against gay marriage originally did so almost 10 years ago now, and that no state has voted against it since North Carolina in 2012, and their ban lasted only 2 years? The outcome would be quite different today than it was 10 years ago.

That's your opinion and I respect that..

Doesn't make it so...

Michale

]]> By: John M http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59623 John M Thu, 21 May 2015 16:14:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59623 Michale wrote: "Allegedly TWO states for... And FORTY against?? That to you equals "vast majority"?? On what planet?? :D" What are you, stuck in a time warp Michale??? You do know that most of the states that voted against gay marriage originally did so almost 10 years ago now, and that no state has voted against it since North Carolina in 2012, and their ban lasted only 2 years? The outcome would be quite different today than it was 10 years ago. Michale wrote:

"Allegedly TWO states for...

And FORTY against??

That to you equals "vast majority"?? On what planet?? :D"

What are you, stuck in a time warp Michale???

You do know that most of the states that voted against gay marriage originally did so almost 10 years ago now, and that no state has voted against it since North Carolina in 2012, and their ban lasted only 2 years? The outcome would be quite different today than it was 10 years ago.

]]> By: John M http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59622 John M Thu, 21 May 2015 16:07:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59622 Michale wrote: "If we were talking a constitutional right, then you would have a point.. But we're not so you don't.. :D" The Supreme Court has ruled at least 11 different times so far now that marriage is a constitutional right. Do you really think Michale that they are going to rule any differently now??? Michale wrote:

"If we were talking a constitutional right, then you would have a point..

But we're not so you don't.. :D"

The Supreme Court has ruled at least 11 different times so far now that marriage is a constitutional right. Do you really think Michale that they are going to rule any differently now???

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59620 Michale Thu, 21 May 2015 08:26:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59620 <B>Study on gay marriage views retracted after allegations of fake data</B> http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/science-retraction-gay-marriage-views-fake-data-118131.html Once again, "science" is actually political ideology in disguise.. What IS it about the Left that constantly perverts "science" to further an unpopular agenda?? I saids it befores and I'll says it agains... If your "science" is completely 1000% mesh'ed with your political ideology, then there is something wrong with your "science"... Because science.. REAL science, is never so perfectly aligned with ANYTHING... Michale Study on gay marriage views retracted after allegations of fake data
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/science-retraction-gay-marriage-views-fake-data-118131.html

Once again, "science" is actually political ideology in disguise..

What IS it about the Left that constantly perverts "science" to further an unpopular agenda??

I saids it befores and I'll says it agains...

If your "science" is completely 1000% mesh'ed with your political ideology, then there is something wrong with your "science"...

Because science.. REAL science, is never so perfectly aligned with ANYTHING...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59611 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 17:52:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59611 <I>It tells me two things. One, the vast majority of Americans are now in favor of gay marriage. Cultures can change over time.</I> Really??? Allegedly TWO states for... And FORTY against?? That to you equals "vast majority"?? On what planet?? :D <I>Two: The constitutional "rights" of a minority should never be voted on by a majority in a popular referendum. That's why they are "rights" and not something else to begin with.</I> If we were talking a constitutional right, then you would have a point.. But we're not so you don't.. :D Michale It tells me two things. One, the vast majority of Americans are now in favor of gay marriage. Cultures can change over time.

Really???

Allegedly TWO states for...

And FORTY against??

That to you equals "vast majority"?? On what planet?? :D

Two: The constitutional "rights" of a minority should never be voted on by a majority in a popular referendum. That's why they are "rights" and not something else to begin with.

If we were talking a constitutional right, then you would have a point..

But we're not so you don't.. :D

Michale

]]> By: John M http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59605 John M Wed, 20 May 2015 17:10:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59605 Michale wrote: "What does THAT tell you??? It tells me that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage... It has absolutely nothing to do with "hate"... It has everything to do with christian values.." It tells me two things. One, the vast majority of Americans are now in favor of gay marriage. Cultures can change over time. Two: The constitutional "rights" of a minority should never be voted on by a majority in a popular referendum. That's why they are "rights" and not something else to begin with. In 2012, 60 percent of the voters of Alabama voted against removing segregation from their state constitution, even though the language no longer as any formal force of law. What does that tell you??? Michale wrote:

"What does THAT tell you???
It tells me that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage...
It has absolutely nothing to do with "hate"...
It has everything to do with christian values.."

It tells me two things. One, the vast majority of Americans are now in favor of gay marriage. Cultures can change over time.

Two: The constitutional "rights" of a minority should never be voted on by a majority in a popular referendum. That's why they are "rights" and not something else to begin with.

In 2012, 60 percent of the voters of Alabama voted against removing segregation from their state constitution, even though the language no longer as any formal force of law.

What does that tell you???

]]> By: John M http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59604 John M Wed, 20 May 2015 17:02:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59604 Michale wrote: "Which states citizens voted for gay marriage??" Maine, Maryland, and Washington State all voted to legalize same sex marriage. Minnesota at the same time, voted against a ban on same sex marriage. Michale wrote:

"Which states citizens voted for gay marriage??"

Maine, Maryland, and Washington State all voted to legalize same sex marriage. Minnesota at the same time, voted against a ban on same sex marriage.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59597 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 13:30:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59597 <I>Also apparently the only person around here compelled to routinely remind all of us intolerant pogues of said fact. :) :)</I> To paraphase Crowley.. <B>"{Modesty} is not one of my virtues."</B> :D <I>Do you remember the "GM Mark of Excellence?" My old man used to get a kick out of that, especially when the wood grain trim fell off the family sled. :) :) :)</I> heh :D Michale Also apparently the only person around here compelled to routinely remind all of us intolerant pogues of said fact. :) :)

To paraphase Crowley..

"{Modesty} is not one of my virtues."

:D

Do you remember the "GM Mark of Excellence?" My old man used to get a kick out of that, especially when the wood grain trim fell off the family sled. :) :) :)

heh :D

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59595 TheStig Wed, 20 May 2015 13:17:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59595 M -4 "Apparently, I am the only truly tolerant person around here.. :D" Also apparently the only person around here compelled to routinely remind all of us intolerant pogues of said fact. :) :) Do you remember the "GM Mark of Excellence?" My old man used to get a kick out of that, especially when the wood grain trim fell off the family sled. :) :) :) M -4

"Apparently, I am the only truly tolerant person around here.. :D"

Also apparently the only person around here compelled to routinely remind all of us intolerant pogues of said fact. :) :)

Do you remember the "GM Mark of Excellence?" My old man used to get a kick out of that, especially when the wood grain trim fell off the family sled. :) :) :)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59594 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 13:12:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59594 Double tap!! DOH!!!! :D Michale Double tap!!

DOH!!!! :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59592 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 13:08:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59592 <I>M-5 Alcohol, the cause and the solution to all of the world's problems.... attributed to Homer S.</I> Amen to THAT!!! Mr Burns:<B>"Homer... I want to be loved.."</b> Homer:<B>"I see.. OK.. Wellllll... I'll need some beer...."</B> :D Michale M-5 Alcohol, the cause and the solution to all of the world's problems.... attributed to Homer S.

Amen to THAT!!!

Mr Burns:"Homer... I want to be loved.."
Homer:"I see.. OK.. Wellllll... I'll need some beer...."

:D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59591 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 13:08:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59591 <I>M-5 Alcohol, the cause and the solution to all of the world's problems.... attributed to Homer S.</I> Amen to THAT!!! Mr Burns:<B>"Homer... I want to be loved.."</b> Homer:<B>"I see.. OK.. Wellllll... I'll need some beer...."</B> :D Michale M-5 Alcohol, the cause and the solution to all of the world's problems.... attributed to Homer S.

Amen to THAT!!!

Mr Burns:"Homer... I want to be loved.."
Homer:"I see.. OK.. Wellllll... I'll need some beer...."

:D

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59590 TheStig Wed, 20 May 2015 13:01:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59590 Like the US states, small nation states like Ireland serve as idea incubators. The Celtic Tiger likely to roar again, let's hope it goes better than the last one loses their house or has to emigrate (again). M-5 Alcohol, the cause and the solution to all of the world's problems.... attributed to Homer S. Like the US states, small nation states like Ireland serve as idea incubators. The Celtic Tiger likely to roar again, let's hope it goes better than the last one loses their house or has to emigrate (again).

M-5 Alcohol, the cause and the solution to all of the world's problems.... attributed to Homer S.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59587 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 11:07:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59587 <I>Apparently, I am the only truly tolerant person around here.. :D</I> TOLERANCE 101 Joe SixPack:<B>"I don't really like gay people.."</B> Michale:<B>"That's kewl.. Let's go get a beer.."</B> Weigantian:<B>"I don't really like Republicans.."</B> Michale:<B>"That's kewl.. Let's go get a beer.."</B> Joe SixPack:<B>"I really don't like gay people.."</B> Left Winger:<B>" YOU INTOLERANT SCUMBAG!!! I AM GOING TO KILL YOU!!!!!"</B> Michale:<B>That's kewl. But, before you kill them with your intolerance, let's go get a beer..."</B> Class dismissed... :D Michale Apparently, I am the only truly tolerant person around here.. :D

TOLERANCE 101

Joe SixPack:"I don't really like gay people.."
Michale:"That's kewl.. Let's go get a beer.."

Weigantian:"I don't really like Republicans.."
Michale:"That's kewl.. Let's go get a beer.."

Joe SixPack:"I really don't like gay people.."
Left Winger:" YOU INTOLERANT SCUMBAG!!! I AM GOING TO KILL YOU!!!!!"
Michale:That's kewl. But, before you kill them with your intolerance, let's go get a beer..."

Class dismissed...

:D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59585 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 09:11:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59585 <I>In 2012, three states in America voted to approve gay marriage, which was seen as a tremendous victory for marriage equality at the time, since it was the first time any state had voted in favor of gay marriage (while almost 40 had earlier voted against gay marriage). </I> What does THAT tell you??? It tells me that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage... It has absolutely nothing to do with "hate"... It has everything to do with christian values.. Now, I am NOT a christian and I don't share those values.. But I *AM* a tolerant person and, while I don't share the christian values I posi-loutly and abso-tively think that christians DO have a right to their values.. Apparently, I am the only truly tolerant person around here.. :D Michale In 2012, three states in America voted to approve gay marriage, which was seen as a tremendous victory for marriage equality at the time, since it was the first time any state had voted in favor of gay marriage (while almost 40 had earlier voted against gay marriage).

What does THAT tell you???

It tells me that the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage...

It has absolutely nothing to do with "hate"...

It has everything to do with christian values..

Now, I am NOT a christian and I don't share those values..

But I *AM* a tolerant person and, while I don't share the christian values I posi-loutly and abso-tively think that christians DO have a right to their values..

Apparently, I am the only truly tolerant person around here.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59582 Michale Wed, 20 May 2015 08:25:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59582 <I>. . . meanwhile JEB has decided to beat that dead horse. He'll continue the Bush family tradition of hating gay people to distract from the "mistakes" Bushes make.</I> Since you keep beating this dead horse, I'll keep asking.. Do you have ANY evidence that anyone in the Bush family hates gay people?? No??? Didna think so... CW, Which states citizens voted for gay marriage?? Michale Michale . . . meanwhile JEB has decided to beat that dead horse. He'll continue the Bush family tradition of hating gay people to distract from the "mistakes" Bushes make.

Since you keep beating this dead horse, I'll keep asking..

Do you have ANY evidence that anyone in the Bush family hates gay people??

No???

Didna think so...

CW,

Which states citizens voted for gay marriage??

Michale

Michale

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59580 John From Censornati Wed, 20 May 2015 03:59:14 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59580 . . . meanwhile JEB has decided to beat that dead horse. He'll continue the Bush family tradition of hating gay people to distract from the "mistakes" Bushes make. . . . meanwhile JEB has decided to beat that dead horse. He'll continue the Bush family tradition of hating gay people to distract from the "mistakes" Bushes make.

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/05/19/irelands-historic-marriage-equality-referendum/#comment-59579 Paula Wed, 20 May 2015 02:32:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10717#comment-59579 It will be a lovely, lovely thing if it happens and I hope it does! Good news for a change! It will be a lovely, lovely thing if it happens and I hope it does! Good news for a change!

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