You can accept anything you want..

But you and I and everyone here knows you are full of shit. :D

So, now that we've firmly established that you are lying we can move on.

No. YOU have established in your own mind..

No one else here agrees with you...

Michale

I'll accept your inability to backup your claims that Democrats vote against their onw bills to obstruct the same a Republicans as an admission that you were lying.

I'll accept your attempt to dishonestly equate Reid voting nay in support of his bills with Boehner voting nay to kill his own bills as evidence that you are lying.

And I'll accept you reversion to baseless unsubstantiated accusations in an attempt to divert attention from your inability to prove your claims as proof that you are lying.

So, now that we've firmly established that you are lying we can move on.

That's all it is..

Which is why nothing you say can really be taken seriously..

Yea, I harp on Democrats a lot. But I also harp on the GOP.. Which means what I say is credible and can be taken seriously..

You are just an Anti-Republican machine spewing out Left Winger talking points without any regard for the facts or reality..

Michale

That's just your political bigotry talking...

That's just you saying EVERYTHING the GOP does is evil and wrong and EVERYTHING the Democrats do is pure and good..

That's all it is..

Michale

You are always lying, and trying to twist what I say.

Tactics to promote legislation are not obstruction, its that simple.

What Reid and Boehner did was not the same. Reid voting against bills Republicans are blocking, to keep options open, is not the same as piling on to block a bill.

You haven't proven Democrats obstruct by voting. Your claim that it is the same as what Republicans have been doing while in the minority voting against their own bills. As usual, you are lying.

You keep trying to insist that Democrats doing the same thing as Republicans, for any reason, is the same as Republican obstruction. And that is a lie. And you know it.

What you said in #45 was:

"Your Democrats and the Republicans use the EXACT same methods to achieve the EXACT same goals.."

Reid voting against his own bill is a technicality, and you know it. It is not the exact same thing. And it certainly isn't to achieve the exact same goals. You haven't proven a thing. You are just lying. Again!

Of COURSE I know it!!

I SAID IT, back in comment #47...

Jeezus, LD.. You are now officially ranting....

Both Partys do it. That is all I am saying..

Of course, YOU ascribe noble reasons to Democrats and nefarious reasons to Republicans.. But THAT wasn't the point.

The point was that YOU claimed Democrats didn't do it..

And *I* just proved you wrong...

Democrats DO do it.. Just like Republicans do it..

You claimed Democrats voted against their own bills to obstruct them, the same as Republicans.

I never claimed anything of the sort...

I said, back in comment #45

"And Democrats have voted against their own proposals as well."

And then YOU responded in comment #46

"Really?! Prove it! Name one."

And I proved it... With MORE than one...

That's all she wrote, son...

Too bad, so sad.. You lose. :D

Michale

Should have expected nothing but dishonesty from you, Michale!

Reid, votes against even his own proposals on occasion to keep them alive, not to kill them,
its a parliamentary trick and you know it. Trying to save a proposal is hardly an attempt to obstruct it!

SO, as usual, you are lying. Of course you could go on all night. You've been going on for years!

Reid maneuvering to try to save bills, or highlight Republican obstructionism is not Democrats obstructing. Since you insist on lying let me be more specific.

You claimed Democrats voted against their own bills to obstruct them, the same as Republicans. And I'm still waiting for your proof. All you've given so far is Democrats voting against their own bills in procedural attempts to block Republican obstruction.

Your Democrats and the Republicans use the EXACT same methods to achieve the EXACT same goals..

Yet, you only slam the Republicans for it.."

More lies.

I made it very clear what the differences in methods were. You choose to ignore those differences and lie. Simply being against something is not in and of itself "obstruction." It's just lack of agreement.

Objecting to because you disagree isn't obstruction. Blocking everything as a strategy to "make Obama a one-term President," that's obstruction. Refusing to support anything supported by the President, even your own proposals, that's obstruction. Blocking things because you claim you don't trust the President, that's obstruction.

As I said, opposition that has nothing to do with the actual issue being considered is obstruction. The one treating Democrats differently is you. You were fine with Republicans filibustering for any reason at all, claiming none of it was "obstruction."

My definitions don't vary based upon who I'm talking about, unlike your definitions. Claiming that I'm the one treating Democrats differently than I treat Republicans is you lying again.

Why is Harry Reid always voting against his own plans?
washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/17/why-is-harry-reid-always-voting-against-his-own-plans/

Democrats enforce filibuster against their own debt bill
washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/jul/30/democrats-enforce-filibuster-against-own-debt-bill/

I can go all night.. :D

Michale

Harry Reid has brought DOZENS of proposals to the floor only to vote against them..

It's parliamentary trickery... BOTH Partys do it...

Really?! Prove it! You've given you opinion--repeatedly. Now where's the proof?

The proof is in the fact that NO ONE here has come up with a legitimate reason to give illegal immigrants amnesty...

Michale

Not a song and dance.

"No other reason makes any kind of logical and rational sense...

Occams Razor certainly applies here..."

Really?! Prove it! You've given you opinion--repeatedly. Now where's the proof?

"And Democrats have voted against their own proposals as well."

Really?! Prove it! Name one. Boehner introduced a proposal and then voted against it. What Democrat has done the same? And I don't mean voted against an amended proposal they didn't support. I mean their own proposal just as they introduced it.

You're always demanding proof, and claiming that you provide it, but you never do. You make crackpot winger conspiracy theory claims without a shred of evidence to back it up.--So prove what you claim.

No other reason makes any kind of logical and rational sense...

Occams Razor certainly applies here...

And no one said Democrats don't use parliamentary tricks. But obstruction is still, and always has been, the abuse of parliamentary tricks, not just the use of parliamentary tricks.

Poe-Tay-Toe, Poe-Taa-Toe

Acting in bad faith to block legislation, and votes, for reasons that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, as Republicans are wont to do, is obstructionism. Republicans have even voted against their own proposals! Now THAT'S obstructionism.

And Democrats have voted against their own proposals as well.

You prove my point..

Your Democrats and the Republicans use the EXACT same methods to achieve the EXACT same goals..

Yet, you only slam the Republicans for it..

Michale

All you do is make personal attacks on me..."

Michale, that fact that you are lying isn't a personal attack, its an inescapable fact. As I've just proven--yet again.

Everyone in Congress uses parliamentary procedures. "Obstructionism" is the abuse of parliamentary procedure. Your comments are lies.

There. I've proven it again. Proven your bias, your prejudice, and your hypocrisy. It isn't hard. Amy random comment of yours will suffice to do it.

Now your want to pretend to be a victim because I refuse to let your lies go unchallenged. You want to pretend that my accurate factual comments are just personal attacks.--Yet again, you are lying. And the facts prove it.

If you consider being called out for lying "a personal attack" then stop lying.--Or get used to it.--Your choice.

"If National Security is SOOO important to Democrats, then they should give up their nefarious plan of minting millions of fresh new Democrat voters.."

Now. THAT'S not fact based. Unless you'd care to provide proof of Democrats "nefarious plan of minting millions of fresh new Democrat voters?" Since you're so big on demanding proof?! Because winger conspiracy theories aren't facts.

And no one said Democrats don't use parliamentary tricks. But obstruction is still, and always has been, the abuse of parliamentary tricks, not just the use of parliamentary tricks.

Acting in bad faith to block legislation, and votes, for reasons that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, as Republicans are wont to do, is obstructionism. Republicans have even voted against their own proposals! Now THAT'S obstructionism.

Your sudden contention that voting against anything for any reason is "obstructionism" is another of your typical reality altering lies. It has no basis in fact.

But I am glad you are here, I really am..

By comparison, you make me look perfectly reasonable and rational.. :D

Michale

And Democrats also used parlamentiary tricks to get what THEY want.. TrainWreckCare...

What's yer point??

Of course its only Democrats he faults for failing to pay whatever ransom Republicans demand. He doesn't fault Republicans for holding national security hostage.--It's not that important.

If National Security is SOOO important to Democrats, then they should give up their nefarious plan of minting millions of fresh new Democrat voters..

What's simple is Michale's bias, prejudices, and hypocrisy. Everything is an excuse to bash Obama and the Democrats to Michale. Everything is a reason Obama and the Democrats should give in to Republicans. Everything is the fault of Obama and the Democrats. And everything Michale says is completely lacking in credibility, rationality, and objectivity.

Have you ever noticed that you never come up with any facts to defend your position??

All you do is make personal attacks on me...

If this were a formal structured debate, you would lose each and every time.. :D

Michale

Of course its only Democrats he faults for failing to pay whatever ransom Republicans demand. He doesn't fault Republicans for holding national security hostage.--It's not that important.

What's simple is Michale's bias, prejudices, and hypocrisy. Everything is an excuse to bash Obama and the Democrats to Michale. Everything is a reason Obama and the Democrats should give in to Republicans. Everything is the fault of Obama and the Democrats. And everything Michale says is completely lacking in credibility, rationality, and objectivity.

If Democrats think that funding for Homeland Security is sooooo important, then Obama needs to drop the Illegal Immigrant amnesty...

If Obama and the Democrats think that minting fresh new Democrat voters is more important than National Security...

Then they can continue to be obstructionist against National Security....

It's not rocket science...

It's perfectly clear...

"Crystal"
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

Michale

"Civil Forfeiture is a wonderful tool."
-Loretta Lynch

How Uncle Sam Became a Bank Robber
Civil forfeiture and money laundering laws let the IRS seize the accounts of legitimate businesses
http://reason.com/archives/2015/02/04/how-uncle-sam-became-a-bank-robber

Sure ya don't wanna re-think that MIDOTW award, CW?? :D

Michale

BUT!!! BUT!!!! REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN!!!!

OBAMA SAID IT!! I BELIEVE IT!!! THAT SETTLES IT!!

There... :D

Now you don't have to even post. :D

Michale

"Your good and your evil use the same methods to achieve the same results."
-Yarnek, STAR TREK, Savage Curtain

Michale

But the simple fact is, Democrats obstruct the Republican agenda for the EXACT same reason that Republicans obstruct the Democrat agenda..

No more, no less..

Michale

Republicans voting against anything supported by Obama is "obstructionism." Democrats voting against legislation because it contains provisions to which they object is called "the democratic process."

As always, Michale's version of reality is lacking in a little something... Truth and factuality.

Senate Democrats filibustered the DHS Authorization legislation, legislation that THEY called "vital to this country's National Security" because it had provisions they didn't like..

I am ssuuuuurrreeee that the cries of "OBSTRUCTIONISTS!!!" will come quickly and loudly from Weigantians....

{{cchhhiiiiirrrrpppppppp}} {chiiiirrrrrrpppppp}

And so the 180s begin.... :D

Who would have thunked it...

Oh.. wait.. :D

Michale

Nice one!! :D

Michale

Ashamed to say that not even the Google helped me ... :)

I think someone is pulling my leg, as they say, on this one. Not a memorable line, from a less than memorable movie, to be sure ...

THE PRINCESS BRIDE

V FOR VENDETTA

ANGER MANAGEMENT

Are the top responses..

Michale

Apparently, "Who are you?" is a memorable line from a movie ... ??

But, nothing in particular comes to mind. Any guesses?

Are referring to the WHO ARE YOU from the CSI theme??

Michale

I need your help!

"Who are you?"

I know the song but, it's also a line in a movie. Do you know it?

Ya just gotta love the symbolism! :D

Michale

Can ya check the NNL filters??

Michale

House Benghazi committee to review secret Hillary tapes on Libya
http://tinyurl.com/p5jcsef

Want to re-visit your claim as to the viability of a Hillary Clinton Presidential run?? :D

The longer she waits to state she is NOT running, the more it guarantees a GOP in the White House..

Michale

I could be mixing that up with something else though.

Yet, the rich are getting richer and the middle class is getting scrooed...

And now Democrats are just pushing more of the same..

So why should the American people believe that this time around, Obama is actually going to do what he says he will??

Hell, last SOTU speech, he accomplished less than 5% of his SOTU proclomations!! And that was when he HAD a Democrat Senate...

Obama has NO problem going around Congress to further his partisan agenda..

Ergo, helping the middle class is NOT Obama's agenda...

Michale

A boat on a mountain top is a Dunsel...

Michale

Go Seahawks!!!

Yea, I crashed at halftime.. Looks like I missed an exciting, yet ultimately disappointing game. :(

Michale

Whaddya say??? :D

Michale"

No.

You keep lying I'll keep calling you on it. Kennedy said "A rising tide will lift all boats." He said nothing about "trickle-down." Kennedy spoke of a strong economy benefitting everyone, not strong rich people magically benefitting everyone. That nonsense is pure winger. Thanks to Reagan.

Your claim that wingers stole trickle-down from Kennedy is a lie. Your claim that that means that Kennedy was a winger is yet another of your typical lies. My use of Kennedy's phrase "lift all boats" in no way makes Kennedy a winger.

If you want to "give everyone a break from the standard feud..." try not lying about what I say for awhile.

Besides, don't you guys know there's a football game going on here today!? Geesh.

Go Seahawks!!!

Whaddya say??? :D

Michale

And Right Wingers stole it from JFK, the quintessential Democrat...

So, that makes John F Kennedy a "winger" in your book..

Which is quite an admission, right up there with Obama being a terrorist.. :D

Michale

Ahem.... John F Kennedy said that...

But why confuse your hysterical diatribe with... yunno... FACTS.. :D

Michale

And, ultimately, it's the innocents who pay the price..."

Wingers choose to believe that because it gives them an excuse to ignore reality. It simply isn't true.

The conservative political message is still that voodoo economics and trickle-down from putting more wealth in the hands of the wealthy will "lift all boats." It doesn't. It hasn't. And it won't.

The fact is that all it dies is make the rich richer at everyone else's expense. Tax breaks for the wealthy come out of our pocket. We're the ones who have to make up the difference. Either in reduced services, increased taxes, or both.

No amount of political messaging is going to change reality. All successful false political messaging, and a preference to believe it, does is excaberate problems and prevent actual solutions.

Facts are always more important that political messaging. Propagandists can make political messaging more influential than facts. Which is not at all the same thing.

The winger insistence that political messaging is more important than facts is just an attempt to validate their preference for self-delusion.

http://tinyurl.com/nv7cnpt

The political message is ALWAYS more important than the facts..

And, ultimately, it's the innocents who pay the price...

"tis sad tis true... Tis true tis sad"

Michale

for starters:

http://tinyurl.com/nv7cnpt

JL

Good week for Democrats, if nothing more disappointing than that came along from within the party.

Sure, he was making a joke about his own op-ed. But there's more to it than that. I stand with the president on this one: get informed by reading sources that aren't from your own side of the aisle. I've read plenty of items on HuffPo, and will read plenty more in the future, but I don't consider it a way to get a complete picture of an issue.

Well, I suppose one could call this personal bias but, it really does sound like something else, altogether.

Incidentally, Rahm Emanuel has nothing to apologize for, least of all to you, Chris, as he was not referring to you, and those of us like you, with those remarks.

If he was referring to you and you really do feel that he was referring to you, then I have had you pegged all wrong, from the get-go! Since I am sure that is not the case, you really need to let this faux insult/injury thing go! Seriously!

The only thing stranger than Palin picking fights with Bill O'Reilly is Democrats, Obama and Bill O'Reilly all on the same side.. :D

As they are over the Iran Sanctions issue..

I still don't understand the Left's obsession with Sarah Palin...

For someone who is, allegedly, totally irrelevant, the Left sure keep tabs on Palin...

Aaa HAH!!!!!

I got it!!!!!

PDS

Palin Derangement Syndrome!!!

That's it!!!!!!!

:D

Michale

But I gotta go with Liz on this one..

As much as I am for giving Obama an MDDOTW award at the drop of a dime and as much as I love seeing HuffPoop slapped down, I think that this was just a case of Obama making a bad joke that fell flat..

Just my 2 cents... :D

Michale

During her hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) asked, "Do you support the legalization of marijuana?"

"Senator, I do not," Lynch replied.

And this:

"I don’t think it is more dangerous than alcohol," Obama said of the drug.

"I certainly don't hold that view and don't agree with that view of marijuana as a substance," Lynch said.

I'm not impressed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/loretta-lynch-marijuana_n_6565962.html

I'm also pretty sure that it was this very same capacity for self-deprecating humour that was at the source of his little admonition against the very highly esteemed, ahem, Huffington Post ...:)

I am reminded by a term that seems to ring truer and truer with each passing day ... the hyper-sensitization of America ...

Do you think, Chris, that Obama just may have been cracking a joke? I mean, seriously, you think he doesn't want them reading his op-ed? Sheesh.

Incidentally, "is it safe?" ...