OK, hadn't heard that logging in thing.

You might want to change your CW.com password...

Just a suggestion.

Anybody noticing future problems, PLEASE let me know about them...

Thanks, and sorry again for the hassle.

-CW

You mean like when the SCOTUS made up that TrainWreckCare was a tax and not a mandate??

The entirety of the Left, including you, didn't mind when the SCOTUS acted "illegally" then...

The Left only complains about the SCOTUS when the SCOTUS rules against the Left's agenda..

Michale
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Christmas Eve your page was plain white with no background color or formatting. Looked like most of the markups were either stripped out or corrupted. It also kept telling me I needed to log in to comment when I was already logged in. I just logged out then logged back in again to submit comments when that happened.

Congress' intent was clear, that everyone would be eligible for subsidies. It's SCOTUS carving out arbitrary exceptions that created the perceived inconsistencies. So now the court wants to illogically "interpret" the will of Congress based, not on the will of Congress, but on the will of SCOTUS.

This isn't about interpreting the laws if Congress. This is about Republicans inviting SCOTUS to illegally make more laws up to replace the laws written by Congress.

Rather than, "We have to pass the law to find out what's in it"....

I mean, honestly...

Forget any partisanship or Party ideology...

Having a lawmaker say, "We have to pass the law before we can find out what's in it" has GOT to be THE most stoopidest stunt ever conceived in the annals of lawmaking...

Michale
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Good riddance indeed...

Issa was no worse than Democrats who hound Bush to this very day...

Feinstein's torture report is a perfect example..

Michale
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Only when he is right. :D

But this is interesting. So, you agree that the law says what it says and it should be "fixed"...

If the totality of the law's wording is sufficient, then no "fix" is needed...

Either the law says what it says and needs to be "fixed" or the law says what the Left says it says and no "fix" is needed...

Can't have it both ways... :D

If these were normal times, Republicans wouldn't have a problem with passing a simple clarification, right?

About as much problem as Democrats would have passing a simple clarification that would pull the Republicans' chestnuts out of a roasting fire.. :D

Maybe it will be a lesson to Democrats to actually READ what's in the law BEFORE they pass it...

Rather than, "We have to pass the law to find out what's in it"....

Wouldn't you agree?? :D

Michale
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http://www.salon.com/2014/12/11/good_riddance_darrell_issa_a_wasteful_blowhards_humiliating_history/

Good riddance indeed...

:-)

-CW

hehehehehe

"That's humor. I recognize that."
-JT Walsh, GOOD MORNING VIETNAM

:D

Yea, things got tense, as usual. But, in fairness to LD, I understand where he is coming from.

You see, LD sees things as black and white. Not figuratively, but literally.. He sees black people and white people. He has the "us V them" mentality.

I don't. I (and I would be willing to wager 99.5% of other cops) don't see people as black or white or brown or whatever..

For cops, their world is separated into 3 groups..

Scumbags/Perpatrators

Civilians

Cops

That's it.. Race doesn't enter into the picture at all...

Ya'all ask any cop you know and they will tell you the same thing..

There are bad guys...

There are civilians...

And there are cops...

Those are the only groups that cops see..

Race is irrelevant and not even noticed beyond identification/report writing purposes...

Michale
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The key word being "IF"...

You can't compare the Bundy issue to these riots..

Because, by comparison, the Bundy issue was a peaceful meaningful discussion..

Um, I'm confused. Were the two marines riding motorcycles? That would make the story make sense to me, but you don't say...

DOH!!! Yea, they were on motorcycles.. Kinda important detail to leave out. :D

) Both of you were able to keep this thread going throughout Xmas Eve? I'm not criticizing, I am seriously asking, because that was when the site was kind of broken, so knowing the commenting was still working is valuable information to me. Was the screen all wonky (no images, text-only) throughout this exchange, for both of you? This seems to point to the hack being not directed at this website -- multiple sites on my ISP's server were hacked, and it looks like they weren't after the database itself (this is VERY good news for everyone, me included).

The site was functional.. What was missing from my view was any formatting or graphics.

http://sjfm.us/temp/cw_site1.jpg

But the commenting still worked, it just was kinda hard on the eyes.. :D

Michale
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On that SCOTUS/Obamacare thing... do you agree with Trent Lott?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/04/trent-lott-obamacare_n_6269030.html

If these were normal times, Republicans wouldn't have a problem with passing a simple clarification, right?

:-)

-CW

Cleaning out some old bookmarks in the browser...

Although I (and OPW, every month) tracks Obama's poll numbers pretty closely, this is where I got the idea for the Bummest Rap award:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/obamas-approval-rating-re_b_6082284.html

Credit where credit is due, even if it is too late to include as a link...

-CW

Michale [26] -

Or at least past 0500hrs... :D

Michale
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Not sure what you thought you were typing, but I couldn't resist:

"We are the knights who say: 'Ni!'"
-Monty Python And The Holy Grail

:-)

John From Censornati [28] -

Good point about the cop killings in Vegas after Bundy -- I had forgotten that sad coda to the Bundy story.

Michale [30] -

According to Wikipedia, Alexander Hamilton got the first tobacco tax passed, in 1794. Drat those Federalists! Also, becuase of the Civil War, " by 1868 the Government’s main source of income came from these lingering tobacco taxes" -- drat those Unionists!

Heh. There's enough blame on the "sin tax" idea to go around, wouldn't you agree?

:-)

Michale [33] -

While I'm largely staying out of the cops debate here, I have to take you to task for a very minor thing, because it's a big bugaboo of mine.

"breath" -- (noun)(pronounciation: rhymes with "crystal meth") what you inhale. Use: "I took a breath and jumped."

"breathe" -- (verb)(pronunciation: rhymes with "seethe") to inhale and exhale. Use: "I can't breathe."

OK, sorry for the detour, but I've been seeing this mistake ALL OVER the internets, and just decided to use you as an example to vent... nothing personal... pretty much every time you want to use the word during the NYCPD argument, you really mean "breathe"... so don't forget the "e"!

Grumble, grumble...

[35] -

Um, I'm confused. Were the two marines riding motorcycles? That would make the story make sense to me, but you don't say...

OK, Michale and LewDan, I'm going to skip the rest of these comments, because at this point it's kind of pointless to join in.

Two observations:

(1) Boy I'm glad I decided to not spotlight the police and protestors in this column, since I thought it might overwhelm the commentary. That was sarcasm...

(2) Both of you were able to keep this thread going throughout Xmas Eve? I'm not criticizing, I am seriously asking, because that was when the site was kind of broken, so knowing the commenting was still working is valuable information to me. Was the screen all wonky (no images, text-only) throughout this exchange, for both of you? This seems to point to the hack being not directed at this website -- multiple sites on my ISP's server were hacked, and it looks like they weren't after the database itself (this is VERY good news for everyone, me included).

Anyway, please let me know, this info could help me out. Thanks.

-CW

OK, here goes. Don't know how far I'll get.

Speak2 [1] -

Good point -- Coakley certainly deserved at least a runner-up in Worst Politician!

TheStig [2] -

You do indeed sound like the odd man out -- easy signup last year, lots of bugs this year? That's a strange case of karma you've got there... maybe you should see a doctor. Oh, sorry...

Heh.

I did get a laugh out of "Amtrackish," though -- nice coinage!

:-)

Michale [3] -

Yeah, I threw in some numbers to back up that Bummest Rap thing. The funny thing is Obama's likely going to end the year almost exactly where he began, in the daily polling.

Also, I tend to see Putin as a kind of Bond villain, personally. I guess that's why that "minions" slipped in there...

Chris Weigant [6] -

Whoops! Looks like I already answered a few of these! Hey, it's been a long week.

goode trickle [10] -

Forgot about McCutcheon, you're right, it should have been mentioned. And I am truly sorry I didn't read this until after Part 2 was done, because your suggestion for Issa as Biggest Waste was an excellent one, and indeed better than mine. I heartily salute you -- I should have handed it to him on the way out the door!

Well done! Again, sorry I didn't read your comment before writing Part 2.

Michale [17] -

These so-called "leaders", Obama, Sharpton, Holder, DeBlasio et al spend 24/7 demonizing cops, saying cops are "out of control" or "acted stupidly" or are "racist killers" and then they act shocked when something like this happens and they fall all over themselves trying to deny ANY culpability or responsibility...

Are you really sure you want to go down this road? REALLY sure? Because if inciteful words spur people to violence, then let's have a conversation about all those right-wing radio talk shows that praised Cliven Bundy to the skies -- and who, if a federal cop had been shot, would have taken ZERO responsibility.

Like I said, I'll give you a Mulligan on that one, because that can of worms also includes a lot from the right-wing -- anti-government and anti-Obama talk that skates VERY close to incitements to commit violence. But if you'll withdraw the comment, I'll pretend you never went there, OK?

:-)

I must be in the holiday mood, or something.

OK, gotta post this and go do a beer run. Hey, if you're bored of holiday music, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWIB9LAfu0o

All together now: "B double-E double-R U-N... beer run!"

:-)

-CW

I really don't know, or care, exactly when Sharpto joined the movement. If he's only been fighting for the rights of black people for fifty-four years that's good enough for me!

As for homophobic comments. Again--don't know, don't care. When you're righteously indignant about the homophobic comments of Limbaugh, Bill O, and every host Fox has you might have some credibility in the complaints department.--I still won't care, but you might have some credibility. As opposed to just being the ranting racist bigot defaming black people out of blind prejudice that you are now.

Each and every time.. I guarantee it..

Because Jim Crow laws lost.

Just remember..

If Jim Crow had been a real person, he would have been a Democrat..

Yer fighting a losing battle LD..

Institutionalized racism is dead..

You can't find ONE single fact to support your claims...

Not ONE SINGLE FACT...

OK.. NOW I'm done.. :D Thanx again for the comment boost.. :D

Michale
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What relevance does this have to Brown attacking Officer Wilson???

When Wilson made the initial contact and told Brown to quit walking in the middle of the road, Wilson did not know of the robbery.. After Wilson started to drive away, THAT is when the report of the robbery came over the radio..

THAT is when Officer Wilson re-acquired Brown and that is when Brown attacked Wilson..

The facts are clear.. Brown did not have his hands up. He was charging Wilson. 3 different autopsies PROVED that beyond any doubt..

Once again, LD.. Your "facts" are nothing but wishful thinking and borne of ignorance and racism...

But I must thank you.. Yer getting my comment count WAY up there!!! :D

Michale
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That's why you bigoted racists have spent the last fifty years trying to roll back the clock. Because Jim Crow laws lost. Because segregation laws lost. Because intermarriage laws lost. Because redlining laws lost.

Actually, for about two hundred years, until blacks started fighting the law, the law did win.--Never again.

Conservative wet dreams of a return to the fifties and white supremacy ain't ever gonna happen. Blacks aren't the ones fomenting violence. Racist whites are. Blacks are simply no longer as willing to tolerate violence against us being shielded under color of law.

"Hello!!! McFly!!!!"
-Biff Tannen, BACK TO THE FUTURE

Get a clue, dood...

I also noticed you ignored Sharpton's homophobic slurs... How come???

Michale
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Dood!!!!!

Sharpton was FOURTEEN when the Amendment passed!!!!

That is fact!!!!

What "involvement" could a 14 yr old in 1968 have in the passing of a Constitutional Amendment!!??

Yer truly whacked if you think that 14 yr old Alfred Charles Sharpton Jr, born 3 Oct 1954, had ANY involvement in the passing of a Constitutional Amendment in 1968...

It's you who need to come up with some facts....

Michale
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Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take Wilson's weapon.

This is fact..

Ferguson PD did not deploy their riot equipment until there was rioting..

This is fact..

But there is no sense talking to you because you don't want facts...

In your fantasy world, Al Sharpton is a saint and he single-handedly wrote and passed the Anti-Racial Discrimination amendment at the tender age of 14!!

So, let me close my participation in this topic by saying this..

If you honestly believe that killing cops and advocating the killing of cops is the best way to serve the black community than you are more whacked than I thought. And THAT says a lot...

You can advocate for the black community to fight the law..

But I guarantee you that the law will win.. And the only thing you will have succeeded in doing is to get more black people killed..

If you REALLY cared about black people, you would get them to stop killing other black people by the thousands and tens of thousands..

But, you won't do that because you only care about black lives if you can use their deaths to beat people over the head with...

Michale
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And yet Wilson testified before the Grand Jury that he confronted Brown because he realized his involvement with the robbery.

Of course Wilson's purjury wasn't challenged on cross anymore than was the witness perjuring herself to confirm Wilson's story.

Now THOSE are "facts." Just as I said they were when you lied claiming that they never happened.

You have been lying about that sequence of events ever since they occurred. To hear you tell it everyone from the President, to Missouri's Governor and Senator have criticized the Ferguson PD for showing up at a riot in riot gear, instead of for showing up in riot gear when there was no riot!

As always, your lies are persistent but not credible.--And certainly not factual!

I give you nothing but facts. You respond with baseless denials. I am tired of your infantile rejoinders. Your constant demands, in the face of facts, that I provide facts. Which you then cavalierly dismiss with an entirely unsupported, and fact-free, "none of that ever happened."

You want facts? Go back and read all the ones that I've already provided. And don't bother me again until you've some facts of your own, instead of just stereotypes, prejudices, talking-points, and opinions of other racist wingers such as yourself.

So, he became active **AFTER** the Racial Discrimination Amendment was passed..

How could he have helped get it passed when he didn't become active until AFTER it was passed!!

Facts, LD!! FACTS are what makes up intelligent debates...

You have no facts!!!

"You have no maaables!!!"
-Hiro, MAJOR LEAGUE II

:D

Sharpton is three years younger than I am. There were plenty of black teens involved in the movement.

BFD...

That doesn't mean that they or Al Sharpton "helped get us a constitutional amendment outlawing racial discrimination" and more than *I* helped get us a constitutional amendment...

Did Sharpton help with that BEFORE or AFTER he became an FBI snitch??

Maybe Sharpton should have worried more about paying the 4.5 MILLION dollars he owes in back taxes, eh???

Face LD.. If you think that Sharpton is a "leader" you are in worse shape than I thought...

If that's even possible..

Sharpton is a scumbag.. A racist scumbag.. A con-artist and an utter luser....

Michale
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"Sharpton attended public schools in Queens and Brooklyn. In the late 1960s, he became active in the civil rights movement, joining the Southern Christian Leadership Conference."

Sharpton is three years younger than I am. There were plenty of black teens involved in the movement.

Here, here!!

No New York City mayor who has so disrespected the NYPD has ever had a second term...

Let us hope DeBlasio is on his way out sooner than that..

Michale
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Yea... Al's a peach.... :^/

Michale
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Michale
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I realize that you and FACTS have absolutely NO PASSING ACQUAINTANCE whatsoever, so I won't even bother asking you to layout any facts that Sanford, Ferguson, Staten Island or Berkeley have ANY THING to do with race...

You have no facts because there are no facts to indicate race was an issue..

Michale
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Holy shit, there is absolutely NO LIE that you won't tell, will you??

Al Sharpton was FOURTEEN FRAKIN' years old in 1968!!!

Once again...

You either live in a pot legalized state or you are WAY ahead of me on the beer intake today.... :D

Sharpton is nothing more than a racist opportunist who uses racial strife to line his own pockets and then refuses to pay any taxes...

These are the facts.. And they are undisputed..

Michale
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To keep it simple: The Ferguson PD calling for armored support because a crowd of black onlookers in a black neighborhood were gathering around the body of a black man gunned down by a white cop is racist.

Once again, you are totally wrong on your portrayal of events..

There was nothing racist about the Michael Brown shooting..

Black activists MADE it a racial incident and then proceeded to loot and riot and burn..

THEN Ferguson PD called out their riot control equipment..

These are the facts, whether you acknowledge them or not...

Michale
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I stand corrected. Sharpton has called it once in a while..

But that doesn't make up for the times that he has been spectacularly and totally wrong and refused to even apologize for it..

He is still a racist scumbag and a total deadbeat..

Even a busted ass watch is right twice a day..

Michale
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So black people follow leaders who win constitutional amendments and white people follow leaders who promote conspiracy theories that are routinely discredited in Congress.--No matter how hard Congress tries to find evidence in support of them!

Yep, compared to whites, great leader blacks have here!

Your lying continues to underwhelm me. Nor does it become more persuasive with repetition.

To keep it simple: The Ferguson PD calling for armored support because a crowd of black onlookers in a black neighborhood were gathering around the body of a black man gunned down by a white cop is racist. No one needed Sharpton to tell them it was racist. Nor did he.

And Gardner on Staten Island was the victim of police harassment that is only the latest version of NYPDs thoroughly proven racist profiling in policing. You can rename it "broken windows" instead of "stop and frisk" but its still "profiling" blacks and Latinos because of their race.

Your insistence on lying about there being no racism, no reasonable basis for anyone to even suspect racism, not to mention your repeated attempts to justify racial profiling, only further demonstrates your racist determination to vilify, stereotype, suppress and repress black people simply to satisfy your own bigotry.

i think that's selective memory on your part. there have been many events that sharpton has ended up being right about - abner louima, amadou diallo, sean bell.

JL

The only racism that was present in the Brawley incident, the Duke LaCrosse incident, the Sanford incident, the Ferguson incident and the Staten Island incident was the racism that Sharpton HIMSELF introduced into to the scene...

Sharpton is nothing but a racial huckster who instigates and creates racial divides for profit...

I won't even bother bringing up how he is also a deadbeat, owing TENS of millions of dollars in back taxes...

Yea.. GREAT leader ya got there, LD....

Michale
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As for your "Chinatown" example, if police have specific information indicating a specific individual has engaged in criminal activity "suspecting" individuals who match that description is proper policing. "Suspecting" anyone, and everyone, who happens to be of similar race is "racism."

So, in answer to your question: the answer is neither. The cop should go to the scene of the crime unless he has specific knowledge that would indicate he go somewhere else.

Once again you clearly demonstrate your racism and racist policing. Which is both the "evidence of racism" you keep demanding, and evidence of racism right here, right now in America, and in American policing, that you keep insisting doesn't exist.

Since you, Michale, are clearly a racist bigot "so, you'll pardon me if I don't take that label of yours to heart.." Your baseless condemnation of Al Sharpton says nothing about either Sharpton or the black community. It does, however, say volumes about your racist bigotry.

Tawana Brawley...

Duke Lacrosse....

Nuff said about Al Sharpton...

Michale
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Those "Collaborators and appeasers" are productive and respective members of society... And those who oppose these "Collaborators and appeasers" are often scumbags, thieves and criminals..

So, you'll pardon me if I don't take that label of yours to heart..

Sharpton is a black leader.

Sharpton is ALSO a scumbag, a racist and a con-artist.

The fact that he IS a "black leader" says ALL about the black community's position that needs to be said..

Michale
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Crime reports are aren't even all reports submitted to police. And the certain aren't reports of all the crime committed! They're the reports accepted by police. And national statistics are based on those reports police choose to submit.--In other words crime statistics are a measure of police activity, not crime.

You see "expertise in the field" proves that your bullshit lies and misrepresentations are racism, not science.

Collaborators and appeasers are often better off than other victims of oppression. Obtaining or maintaining their wealth is the reason they collaborate. The term "Uncle Tom" was coined to specifically refer to blacks who were "successful" and designated "leaders" by white slave owners due to their willingness to personally profit at the expanse of other black people.

Barkley may be a leader among whites as a member of the old white man's party, he is not a leader among blacks. That would require black people being willing to follow him not white people being willing to promote him. Sharpton is a black leader. Barkley is an ex-basketball player.

Crime statistics are not scientific studies of the distribution or origins of crime. They are records of police activity. That they confirm the historical fact that policing in America is, and always has been, racist is proof of racist policing, not proof that policing isn't racist.

The vast majority if crimes against blacks are committed by blacks, just as the vast majority of crimes against whites are committed by whites. It's a natural result of American segregation. Crime requires opportunity. The more opportunities the more crime. Police certainly don't have a problem "suspecting" the lone black face in an all white community, instead of ignoring him to concentrate on the whites who commit the vast majority of the crimes in that community! There's no excuse to ignore whites in black communities and only target blacks. And even less so in public spaces that are neither predominately black nor white.

So your little fairy tale of police targeting blacks in black communities because blacks are more likely to be criminals is statistically invalid (no matter how many times you flip a coin the odds it will be "heads" remain fifty-fifty. No matter how many more blacks than whites there are in proximity, or vice versa, the odds of any one of them being engaged in criminal activity remains the same for all of them.), and that would mean scientifically invalid, as well as circular logic, which makes it logically invalid as well.

The fact that the vast majority of crime reports target blacks is evidence of racism. The fact that the rationale of police targeting blacks varies from community to community and yet always "justifies" targeting blacks is evidence of racism. The fact that police employ circular logic to justify targeting blacks is evidence of racism.

The fact that blacks are more often arrested than similarly situated whites is evidence of racism. The fact that blacks are more often prosecuted than similarly situated whites is evidence of racism. The fact that blacks are more often convicted than similarly situated whites is evidence of racism. The fact that blacks receive harsher sentences than similarly situated whites is evidence of racism.

And the fact that LEOs, such as you and the NYPD PBA, admit to no evidence of racism whatsoever is evidence of racism.

Because it's Sharpton that is the factor in these false claims of racism..

Not supposed "racist cops"..

Hell, even Eric Garner's widow states for the record that race had nothing to do with her husband's death..

If ya'all want to fight against rogue or renegade or dirty cops, that is a worthy goal.

It's a worthy fight.. A worthy cause..

But you do that cause a great disservice by trying to make it racial issue where no racism exists..

I'm just sayin'....

Michale
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It's not MY logic..

It's former LAPD Police Cheif Bernard Parks' logic.. A black man, by the way..

It's also Dr Martin Luther King's logic as well..

rime reports are based on the number of people who are stopped on suspicion, people stopped on suspicion are based on crime reports.

You see, this is where expertise in the field comes into play..

"Crime Reports" are NOT people who are stopped. Those are FIs.. Field Interviews...

Crime reports are the actual reports of actual crimes.. And these reports clearly show that black people kill more black people than white cops have.. By a factor of 24 to 1..

This isn't racism, as LD would like you to believe.

It's FACT...

Crime reports also clearly show that there is more crime in the black communities committed by black people than in other communities..

This also isn't racism, as LD would like you to believe.

It's a FACT...

If you are a cop on patrol and you get a call that a chinese man had just committed a murder, is it "racism" to go start your search in Chinatown rather than Harlem??

Or is it just common sense??

That's the point that ya'all simply refuse to acknowledge..

The Left makes claims of RACISM where absolutely no racism exists..

Look at the past 3 incidents that have been prevelant here in Weigantia..

Sanford. NO RACISM
Ferguson. NO RACISM
Staten Island. NO RACISM

Yet EACH of those incidents has been MADE a racist incident by race baiters and hucksters..

Until THAT stops, we will NEVER be a "post racial" country..

Michale
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this is absolutely a racist way of interpreting the statistics.

crime reports are based on the number of people who are stopped on suspicion, people stopped on suspicion are based on crime reports. 9 out of 10 people stopped will be innocent, but the ethnic background of those people don't factor in? if we were to apply the same reasoning you used to that statistic, police should avoid stopping anyone black because suspicions of them are much more likely to be false.

of course that conclusion doesn't hold water either, but i'm using it to demonstrate the same faulty logic you used to justify racial profiling.

people of all races are equally likely to commit crimes; the only reason black people are convicted more often is that they are suspected more often. on this point i absolutely agree with LD, you're using circular reasoning to justify a racially biased practice.

JL

Although I have never been a poster child for sentimental holidays, it seems ridiculous to be butting heads over such an issue on such a day...

Peace out, LD..

Michale
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There is absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY that you are going to convince anyone that cops are the bad guys and the scumbags who kill cops and attack cops and pull guns on cops are the good guys..

NO.... POSSIBLE... WAY....

If a scumbag pulls a gun on a cop, they are likely going to get shot. Doesn't matter if they are black or white or brown or yellow or green or purple..

Pull a gun on a cop...

Get shot....

It's THAT simple...

Michale
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And yet, those "Uncle Toms" are successful and respected leaders in their communities and the thugs and scumbags are six feet under or heading that way...

Hmmmmmmmmm Seems to me that the choice is obvious...

Michale
352

No, LEOs are justified in suspecting black people because crime reports show the percentages of which races commit how many crimes...

Take the current shooting in St Louis... The perp had three assaults, armed robbery, armed criminal action and multiple uses of weapons since he was 17.

Just within the last year!!

You have no evidence that ANY recent incident has racial overtones..

NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER...

Michale
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There are always black "Uncle Toms" willing to support white oppression of black Americans. There are always "appeasers" who delude themselves that if you just give oppressors what they want, do what they say, you cam resolve any situation without violence.--Sure you can.--As long as you willing to be a slave!

LEOs are justified in suspecting black people because the records show that the people LEOs suspect most are black people?!--Circular logic.--And racist.--Which would also be "evidence of racism."

Of you weren't racist the NYPD experience that ninety percent I those suspects had done nothing wrong might tell you something.

Expressing opinions without knowing all the facts is bad?! Unless its you, on any number of subjects, like your support of Wilson's heroic defense of Ferguson from teenage black demons from the first instant the news broke!--"Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot."

And if black people want rights they should "earn" them the way "civilized" white people did?! Because the way white people "earned" there rights was by killing anyone who got in the way and stealing whatever they wanted.--With a little assist from the occasional mass kidnappings, genocides, mass enslavements, and institutionalized torture and rape.--So I'm really having difficulty in seeing just what your issue is with blacks rioting, looting, and assassinating cops?!--It's the American way! It's how "civilized" white people "earned" their rights!

The problem with your self-centered, ignorant, bigoted, racist worldview is that you think no one else has a right to do the things that you, of course, have every right to do.--That you've "earned" you rights by going through the effort of being born white in America!

Rocker Jon Bon Jovi donned a New York Police Department T-shirt on stage. Well-wishers delivered home-baked cookies by the hundreds to police in Cincinnati. In Mooresville, North Carolina, police and sheriff's officers were treated by residents to a chili dinner.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-nyc-deaths-surge-support-police-27806721

Americans are not on your side in this issue, LD...

For Americans everywhere, honest hard-working and brave cops will ALWAYS be preferred over thugs and scumbags every day of the week and twice on Sunday..

Michale
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I didn't say that. Charles Barkley said that. A black man..

And any RATIONAL person would agree with it.

The idea that cops are just out looking for black people to shoot is utterly ridiculous...

You have absolutely NO FACTS to support the claim of killer racist cops..

All you have is innuendo and hysteria...

Like I said.. You are the past.. People like Barkley and Carson and King and Dr King and Rice and Thomas...

They are the future...

Michale
349

You're kidding, right?

"The notion that white cops are out there just killing black people – that’s ridiculous."

Black man gunned down by white cops for shopping for a toy gun. Black kid gun downed by white cops in playground for playing with a toy gun. Body of black kid gunned down by white cop left laying in the street for over four hours.--And, for no other reason than that they are racist and stupid, black people think that "white cops are out there just killing black people."

No, Michael, what's "ridiculous" is your racist attack on black people.

Here's a hint: If you LEOs don't want black people to think that you're just racists attacking black people, then stop the racist attacks against black people!

If you don't want black people taking up arms against cops, then you cops need to stop bragging about how it worked out for black people when confronted by cops unarmed. I realize that you are too stupid to figure out that bragging killing unarmed black people, usually from behind--or "ambush". (Like jumping out of a vehicle and opening fire in two seconds.)

Like I said at the beginning. If cops want to point fingers at who is responsible for the ambush and assassination of two NYPD LEOs--its the cops.

You insult blacks, disparage blacks, demean blacks, and all by dare blacks to challenge the "heroic" LEOs who are undefeated. (As long as their victims are unarmed, unsuspecting, outnumbered, and looking the other way.) And then bitch about how unfair it is, how disrespectful it is, how barbaric it is, when LEOs are ambushed and assassinated. At least they were armed, in greater numbers, and forewarned.

Apparently "hero" cops ain't so tough when everyone else isn't unarmed and unsuspecting.--They cry like babies!

Don't give me any shit about the law. White Americans have been writing the law to specifically to excuse their crimes against black people since day one. And even that isn't enough! The law as written is ignored anytime it gets in the way of whites persecuting blacks.

President Lincoln's executive order wasn't enough to win black people equality with whites in America. So the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution was passed. White America ignored the law so the Fifteenth Amendment was passed. White America ignored the law so the Twenty-fourth Amendment was passed. The Supreme Court and white America are currently ignoring the law, of course.

LEOs attack and kill blacks with impunity because white courts refuse to enforce the law against the agents of white society charged with persecuting and suppressing blacks. They always have.

Idiots like you are the reason that I can't just categorically express opposition to unlawful violence. Because when the law is used as an excuse for violence unlawful violence in opposition may be the only alternative. You LEOs go right on proclaiming your rights to murder black people with impunity while condemning the unjustness, and unlawfulness! of LEOs being murdered in kind.--Of how despicable it is that black people are unsupportive of your "heroic specialness!"

You go right on believing that. If LEOs insist on being arrogant lethal megalomaniacal fools no one can stop you. But if you're determined you have the right to act like mad dogs don't expect me to care much when someone puts you down! So I sure as hell don't share LEO outrage that other black people don't much care either.

Though I must say, Michale, that you certainly haven't disappointed my expectations of you doubling-down on your lies by lying your ass off even harder!

That explains the "black people are stopped more often" statistic.. Straight from the Chief of the second largest police force in the country..

Michale
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That right there completely and unequivocally EPITOMIZES the entire Anti-Cop protests...

Protester doesn't have all the details of the shooting, but he is still out there protesting...

The utter moronic-ness of the protesters in all it's glory..

"I don't know what happened, but I am going to protest anyways just because it's a cop!!"

And ya'all think these morons have ANY credibility???

Michale
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You see, LD.. That's the problem with your outlook on things. You take absolutely NO RESPONSIBILITY for the actions of black people in your community..

EVERYTHING is the fault of "the man"... Black people are ALWAYS utterly and completely innocent and are nothing buy victims to alleged racism that can NEVER be proven with facts...

People like Barkley and Hermann King and Condelezza Rice and Dr Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas respected because they ARE respectable; because they don't play the victim. They don't go out in society and expect that society owes them a living and a life...

People like Barkley and King and Rice and Carson and Thomas and Dr MLK are the future...

You and people who think like you are the past... And you can never escape it because you and people like you think that society owes you something..

Let me tell you here and now.. You aren't owed diddley squat...

You want respect.. You have to be like every other American, every other civilized human being and EARN it...

And a word to the wise..

You don't earn respect by destroying people's lives or destroying people's property or attacking anything you don't agree with..

That's how Eric Garner and Michael Brown thought...

It didn't work out too well for them...

You aren't owed a damn thing...

I'm just saying...

Michale...
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Apparently, some black people are actually on the correct side of this issue...

It's only the criminals and scumbags who hate cops...

Gee... I wonder why that is...

Hardly a group to listen to or take seriously...

Michale
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http://nypost.com/2014/12/23/anti-cop-protesters-flood-nyc-despite-de-blasios-appeal/

More protests. More assaults on cops. More destruction...

Yea, THAT's the way to get what you want... NYPD will be itchin' for some stick time..

Can't say as I blame them.. You can only kick rational people so much before they react...

Let them try and fight the law... We'll see who wins...

It didn't work out so well for Brown or Garner..

DeBlasio, Obama, Sharpton, Holder etc etc wanted an US vs THEM mentality and that's what they got..

Let them reap what they have sown...

Michale
339

But I will close with saying..

You have Al Sharpton in your corner, the biggest con-artist and racist on the planet..

That says it all about your take on things...

Michale
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If black people want cops out why must they do anything about crime? Why not just take a stand against cops?--Because, you know, that's what's we're doing.

Better than ninety percent of white crime is white-on-white. That must mean we need to flood white communities with black cops. Right?

Whites commit far more crime than blacks or Latinos in absolute numbers simply by virtue of higher populations. But comparatively white criminals are almost never caught. Because all the police are busy stopping and harassing blacks and Latinos and can't be in two places at once.

If whites are so concerned about crime why are they sending all the police to concentrate on minority sources for a minority of crimes? It ain't philanthropy. If whites are feeling so generous we'll take fewer cops and better schools and infrastructure. Higher property taxes and lower "sin" taxes and sales taxes.

It ain't out of concern for the welfare of black people. It's for the purpose of subjugating minorities. For finding excuses to incarcerate us, deny us jobs, deny us housing, force us to work for little pay.--Keep us in our place. That's what its always been about. Its about racism. And that's what racism has always been about. The disproportionate number of minorities incarcerated, made felons, isn't a side-effect of black crime rates. It's the intent of policing.

Your black crime red-herring is not only baseless and false its illogical and irrational. The high percentage of black-on-black crime is due to segregation, ie racism, not black culture or behaviors. The disproportionate representation of blacks and Latinos in the criminal justice system is due to their being targeted by law enforcement, to the exclusion of whites. By disproportionate rates of stops, arrests, prosecutions, by longer sentences, by racism.

All things being equal, all things are never equal. That's racism. Not cultures. Not criminality. Not family environments. Not urban environments--Racism. The same pattern for the same reasons for over two-hundred years. Your winger lies and rationalizations notwithstanding, of course. There have been improvements, but nothing so radical that we're "post-racial!" If you believe that (and I'm sure you insist that you do!) let's see your facts. Your proof. Because having a black President ain't it!

Winger claims about black-on-black crime ate about racism not blacks, and not crime. It's just another racist slander. Another racist false stereotype.

Shall we revisit the number of top ten crime spots in Florida again? Six of the top ten as I recall?! You can have most of the NYPD. Ferguson PD too.--Since your crime rates so clearly indicate your greater need for more police, and you white folk have been so generous to us. The least we cam do is return the favor!

Fact: Chief said robbery not a factor in confrontation

Fact: Police report withheld. Brown video released.

Fact: Witness contradicted Wilson's version.

Fact: Witness confirming Wilson story none by prosecutor to be lying.

Fact: Sudden unique grand jury proceeding with information, both credible and false just dumped on jury.

Fact: Wilson allowed to testify without cross
No one speaks for Brown.

Fact: Wilson testified he backed up to confront Brown because of the robbery report. Which contradicted the Police Chief's initial statement. But there's no contradiction with Wilson's initial statement--because there're no records of initial statements. Thanks to police Wilson mad no public statements, mo official reports made public--nothing. Wilson was rushed off to his attorney instead of interviewed. And no record of any interview by police was kept.--Convenient for Wilson, who gets to craft his story after he hears of Brown's connection to the robbery, and after he's had legs advice.--Where's your cries of "cover-up" now, Michael? That's a Hell of a lot more circumstantial and inferential evidence than a "spoliation inference"!

Fact: Grand jury misinstructed that they must determine guilt.

Fact: True bill denied because of "discrepencies" in testimony. Discrepancies don't disqualify trials, they warrant them. Finding what's fact is what trials are for.

Fact: Absent a trial we can never know what happened. Never know if Wilson is guilty or innocent.

Fact: No reason at all Black people should be satisfied with Wilson ruling. Obvious cover-ups by both police and prosecution. Obvious departure from normal procedure of both police and prosecutor. Obviously more than enough evidence for a True Bill. A prosecutor would have to try not to get a True Bill in order to fail to have one returned.--And this prosecutor obviously did try to fail.

Fact: As always, the one lying is you, Michael. The armored police response to the mere gathering of blacks to the scene was obviously racist. Calling for tank support certainly isn't standard police procedure when a crowd of onlookers gather! And the conspiracy to deny due process, which just happens to be fully in line with a two-hundred year tradition of refusing to convict whites who murder blacks is also a Hell of a lot more evidence of racism than the notion that the prosecutor just suddenly decided to try something radically different, pointless, and ineffectual--that would take months instead of days.--And fail to win a True Bill.

Fact: Garner was refusing to cooperate but at no time physically resisted when attacked and choked from behind without provocation.

Fact: The choke hold was not in the line if duty. It was expressly forbidden.

Fact: Choke holds are banned because they may result in death. It was the reckless indifference of the officers on the scene that caused Garner's death, not Garner's health.

Fact: Both NYPD records and Justice Department investigations confirm NYPDs history of racist policing. It's your claim that no racism was involved that is without factual basis. NYPD stops and arrests ate still overwhelmingly of blacks and Latinos.

Those are facts. Where's your proof that Wilsons story is true? That Brown didn't have his hands up?--There isn't any. Because the police and prosecutor conspired to prevent a fact-finding trial.

Fact: The insistence of LEOs. Police unions, and people like you, that in spite of all that the concerns of Black people are baseless, solely the result of racist rabble rousing, an entirely unwarranted attack on the police, and not remotely in response to any racist action on the part of any police or prosecutor is proof of racism.

But you won't accept any of these proofs because of your racism. The importance of "perceptions" you always tout when your insisting that some proven GOP lie is just as valid as if it were true. Because that would mean the protests of black people would be valid even if there were no actual evidence of obstruction of justice and racism.

And you, Michael are nothing if not hypocritical and dishonest. What accept as "fact" has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with "proving" your point. Nothing which doesn't prove your point is ever a "fact". Demanding factual proof of others (while providing absolutely none of your own!) is SOP with you. As is summarily rejecting amy facts presented in response and continuing to falsely assert that there are no facts.

Like a spoiled three year-old you simply stick your fingers in your ears, refuse to hear anything that you don't want to hear, and double-down by lying your ass off even harder!

Let me just close my part by saying...

I don't have a problem with taking a cop down who does his job based on racism or with racism in mind..

To me, that's as bad as being a dirty cop..

But, it's the VERY ABHORRENCE of the act that forces me to be DAMN SURE that the facts line up.

ALL THE FACTS...

I am not going to accuse a brother cop of being a racist unless I am convinced beyond ANY doubt and unless ALL the facts line up...

And, frankly considering the heinousness of the accusation, I would THINK that we ALL would want to adhere to such a high bar...

"Good talk..."
-Dr Rodney McKay, STARGATE ATLANTIS, McKay & Mrs Miller

:D

Michale
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true, it cuts both ways. if police know that black people are more likely than white people to shoot them, isn't it natural for them to be more afraid of black people, to feel like black people are picking on them?

same goes the other way 'round. regardless of whether or not any individual police officer happens himself to be racist, the fact that three to five times as many innocent black people are stopped on suspicion is naturally going to make them feel picked-on. our society is racist in its enforcement of laws, regardless of whether or not any individual member of it is or intends to be.

JL

again, you're blaming black communities for not doing the police's job for them. further, you're holding facts to a double standard. when you use facts to support your position, they're "just facts," but when i use something factual to support my position, then the statistics are lying. it seems you've done exactly what you frequently accuse the rest of us of doing - you have reached a conclusion a priori and are categorizing facts to fit your theory, not the other way 'round.

JL

Because your facts have more than one possible explanation..

It's like me saying that black people are cop killers and the "fact" that 42% of cop killers are black when only 13% of the population are black "PROVES" my statement..

That stat, while being factual, doesn't prove a damn thing..

Your stat, while factual, doesn't "PROVE" anything because your interpretation of the fact is laser-focused on ONE cause and ONE cause only...

You don't allow that there could be other explanations....

You often quote the stat that blacks are 40% (50% 60% whatever) more likely to be contacted by police. IN and of itself that looks pretty damning. It MUST be racism!!!

Of course, if you ALSO consider the "fact" that blacks are 30% (or 40% 50% whatever) more likely to commit crimes, all of the sudden that previous stat is not so damning...

There is ANOTHER explanation besides racism..

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/22/truth-about-young-black-men-and-police-shootings/?intcmp=obnetwork

Yea, I know.. I know.. Hold yer nose.. :D

You don't want to consider those other explanations because you are focused on proving racism....

THAT's my point...

You have often said that it's hard to prove an individual is racist.. Even though it isn't (Mark Fuhrman??) isn't it possible that it's "so hard" to prove because more often than not, there is no racism to be found??

Surely Tawana Brawley taught us that.. Duke Lacrosse?? Sanford?? Ferguson?? Not a racism instance to be found..

I am just going where ALL the facts take me...

Like I said, I would love to be on your side about this.. But I need all the facts to do so..

Michale
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absolutely, it happens all the time. i would say that most people of color who are convicted of a crime are not being discriminated against individually. collectively, since it is factually established police are more likely to stop people of color for suspicion, this applies to the 1 guilty person and the 9 innocent people alike.

JL

Is there ANY other possibility to explain that statistic besides racism???

For example.. If true, would the fact that most high crime areas are the areas where black people live explain more black-police contact??

I am not familiar with New York suburbs or areas, but let me use LA...

If you have a lot of black-police contact in Watts but not so much white-police contact in Brentwood would that mean that the LAPD is racist??

Or, is another possible explanation is that Watts has a higher police presence than Brentwood and, since more black people live in Watts, then it stands to reason there would be more black-police contact...

That's the funny thing about statistics. They can be used any number of ways..

But the statistics you pose CAN be explained by other factors besides racist cops..

If black people want cops out of black communities then maybe black communities should take a stand against the rampant crime...

Cops would have no reason to be there, just like cops are not a heavy presence in Brentwood, but ARE a heavy presence in Watts...

Again, I just use those areas as examples.. I could go out and get equal stats for real areas that prove my position, but it won't matter too much..

Because nothing lies better than statistics.. :D

Michale
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JL

The widespread pattern MUST be made up of individual cases..

And if the individual cases don't meet the FACT test, then the conclusion derived from the individual case simply cannot be accurate.

Take Sanford, Ferguson and NYC....

NONE of those cases have ANY evidence of racism..

So, how can one add up those 3 cases and use them to support a narrative of racism..

You can't.. It's a logical impossibility..

It's like mixing green paint with green paint and more green paint and say, "See!!! Now it's blue!!"

It makes no sense...

Michale
330

Is it possible that a white cop can arrest a black person or shoot a black person and it NOT be racism??

If so, what would that look like in your book??

Maybe a case like VonDerrit Myers Jr ??

Michale
328

Again, you're taking a widespread cultural pattern and impeaching the individual cases. the pattern exists, regardless of whether or not officer wilson, or pantaleo, or the officer who pepper sprayed deshawn currie, happen themselves to be raging racists. According to NYCLU statistics, about 20% of the NYC population are black and about 15% are hispanic, but those stopped by the police have been about 55% black, and 30% hispanic. 80-90% of people stopped were completely innocent, meaning there is a FACTUAL pattern of completely innocent black and hispanic people being stopped by the police, while completely innocent white people are not stopped by the police. that's not innuendo, it's reality, and it fully supports my statement (which everyone else here does not need ridiculous amounts of research to understand or accept).

JL

DeShawn said he became angry when officers pointed out the pictures of the Tyler's three younger children on the mantle, assuming he didn't belong there. An argument ensued and DeShawn said one of the officers pepper-sprayed him in the face.

Had DeShawn not become angry, it's entirely likely he would not have been pepper-sprayed..

Just like if Garner hadn't gotten angry and resisted arrest, he would likely be alive today..

Now, look at it from the perspective of the responding officers..

They have a call of a burglary..

They have a person in the house who says that he lives there. The picture on the mantel would indicate to ANY logical person that this was a lie..

The person became angry..

Now, what would you do??

If Currie had been oriental and combative, then it's likely that the same result would have occurred..

The problem here is you are laser-focused on racism and you exclude any other possibility including basic human nature..

Was the cops' reaction racist??

Possibly... Do you have anything else to support that besides Currie being black?? Any racist comments by the cop?? Any displays of racism??

Now, ask yourself this.. Was the cops reaction reasonable, given the circumstances??

Yes, it was....

So, while you DO have a POSSIBILITY of racism, unless you have any evidence that the cop has exhibited racist attitudes or behavior in the past, I would have to go where the evidence presented takes me...

Believe me, I WANT to agree with you.. I WANT to be able to say, "Yea, dag nabbit, that cop is a racist arsehole!!! Lock him up for a gazillion years!!!"

But I am not going to do that unless the FACTS allow me to...

And I am sure you agree with me on that point..

Michale
328

TRANSLATION:

We can't play the victim with black on black murders so we'll just ignore it..

We can't use black on black murders as a partisan bludgeon so we'll just ignore it...

All I am asking for is some cold hard facts to support your narrative...

Shaprton screamed "RACISM!!!!" when Tawana Brawley was raped.

LIE

Sharpton screamed "RACISM!!!" when the Duke Lacrosse players were accused of gang rape..

LIE

Sharpton screamed "RACISM!!!" when Trayvon Martin was shot and killed..

LIE

Sharpton screamed "RACISM!!!" when Michael Brown was shot and killed..

LIE

Sharpton screamed "RACISM!!!" when Eric Garner was killed resisting arrest..

LIE

HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT

LIE

I CAN'T BREATHE

LIE

How many lies are we going to have to endure before it's conceded
that things just might not be as ya'all would like us to think they are...

Give me some facts that support your narrative and I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you...

I honestly do not believe this is too much to ask...

Michale
327

I've mentioned the case of deshawn currie, and you dismissed it as an unfortunate outlier rather than representative of the norm. michale, I think you are just so deep in denial of this reality that you'll only accept facts that fit your narrative, and find a way to dismiss the ones that don't.

JL

oh wait, that's the job of the police.

And they do a damn good job of it..

There is no New York City institution more dedicated to the proposition that “black lives matter” than the New York Police Department; thousands of black men are alive today who would have been killed years ago had data-driven policing not brought down the homicide levels of the early 1990s. The Garner death was a tragic aberration in a record of unparalleled restraint. The NYPD fatally shot eight individuals last year, six of them black, all posing a risk to the police, compared with scores of blacks killed by black civilians. But facts do not matter when crusading to bring justice to a city beset by “centuries of racism.”

6 black people were shot and killed last year..

SIX!!!

FORTY MILLION police-civilian contacts and only SIX black deaths at the hands of police..

That's .00000015% of the police-civilian contacts that resulted in a black death...

Again.. These are THE FACTS.

And they belie the claim that cops are the enemy of black people...

Michale
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Why does crime involving people of African descent deserve its own special category?

The phrase [black on black crime] stems from a desire to excuse whites from any role in changing the conditions that breed disorder and delinquency in poor black areas. It carries the message that blacks are to blame for the crime that afflicts them—and that only they can eliminate it. Whites are spared any responsibility in the cause or the cure.

http://reason.com/archives/2014/08/21/what-about-black-on-black-crime

Yes, I can..

I can very easily..

Because the examples you use DO NOT fit your narrative.. The examples you use are lies...

"I CAN'T BREATH"

"HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT"

Lies...

If you feel that there is an issue, then doesn't it behoove you to come up with evidence that backs up your narrative!??? You can't say, "Well, if you change this and you change that and this doesn't happen.. THAT'S what we are fighting about!!"

Give me a real world example that supports your narrative and I will follow you to the ends of the earth and back!!

Not equivocal statistics, not nebulous truths...

COLD... HARD.... FACTS....

Until you can do that, I have no choice but to go where the facts lead me...

And, in your examples, the facts lead in the opposite direction from the way you want to go..

Michale
325

and whose job is it to protect people from being killed by other people, regardless of what color the killer is?

oh wait, that's the job of the police.

the anger at the root of all the protests is not just about those police that kill black people - that's just the tip of a very big iceberg. black people in this country have learned through hard experience not to expect the same protection that the police provide to those who are from other ethnic backgrounds. when a black person is in danger, they have learned that the police won't protect them. when a criminal wants to kill a black person, they have learned that police won't care. when any black person in this country sees a police officer, the default is that he or she is suspected, not protected. that is NOT some faulty perception or persecution complex, it's the reality of an entire community's experience. you can't just argue that away.

JL

"Hands Up, Don't Shoot"...
A lie.. Proven, unequivocal.. Lie....

"I Can't Breath"...

A lie... A physiological impossibility... Lie...

The entirety of all the protests are all based on lies...

And no one seems to care..

THAT is the biggest tragedy here...

Michale
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324

The New York Times ratcheted up its already stratospheric level of anti-cop polemics. In an editorial justifying the Ferguson riots, the Times claimed that “the killing of young black men by police is a common feature of African-American life and a source of dread for black parents from coast to coast.” Some facts: Police killings of blacks are an extremely rare feature of black life and are a minute fraction of black homicide deaths. The police could end all killings of civilians tomorrow and it would have no effect on the black homicide risk, which comes overwhelmingly from other blacks. In 2013, there were 6,261 black homicide victims in the U.S.—almost all killed by black civilians—resulting in a death risk in inner cities that is ten times higher for blacks than for whites. None of those killings triggered mass protests; they are deemed normal and beneath notice. The police, by contrast, according to published reports, kill roughly 200 blacks a year, most of them armed and dangerous, out of about 40 million police-civilian contacts a year. Blacks are in fact killed by police at a lower rate than their threat to officers would predict. In 2013, blacks made up 42 percent of all cop killers whose race was known, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population.
http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon1222hm.html

I know, I know.. Them persky inconvenient facts..

No wonder no one wants to argue FACTS, but would rather argue some obscure nebulous subjective "truth"....

Michale
323

To put it into a context that more readily explains the problem..

As a threat analysis goes, you are more concerned about the 6 yr old with a pea shooter who is 10 miles away from you and ignoring the two dozen scumbags with M-16s that are right in front of your face...

How can ANYONE justify such blatant irrational and moronic priorities????

Like I said above.. If you succeed in making it so a white cop never kills another black person, you will have saved the lives of almost 13,000 black people over a 20 year span..

But, you address the problem of black people killing black people??? You will save the lives of over 150 THOUSAND black people over a 20 year span..

Do the math, dood!!! Seriously...

Michale
322

You could do your cause a WORLD of good if you could get rid of that moronic racist AL Will-Call-Anything-Racist-For-Money Sharpton...

Just a little tip....

Michale
321

The problem here is that you and people who think like you define "justice" as lynch mob rule..

The Michael Brown shooting is a perfect example..

The mob didn't want "justice".. They wanted Darren Wilson's head on a pike..

That's what YOU call "justice"...

"Honesty" requires putting truth first. LEOs do everything in their power to ensure that the crimes of LEOs never see public exposure.

Truth is subjective.. Once again, using your thought process as an example, your "truth" is that Officer Wilson and Officer Pantaleo are racist..

The FACTS clearly show that your "truth" is complete BS...

Black people are the public.

Newsflash for you, sunshine. White people are "the public" too... Officer Lui was "the public".. Officer Ramos was "the public"...

Black lives don't matter.

Why is it that black lives only "matter" when they are killed by a white cop??

Why don't black lives "matter" when they are killed by other black people, which is 94% of the time..

Face it, LD.. Black lives only "matter" when they can be used as a partisan bludgeon with which to beat political opponents over the head with..

Other than that, for you and people who think like you, black lives don't matter one single bit...

No one is advocating killing our LEOs

WHAT DO WE WANT!!?? DEAD COPS!!!
WHEN DO WE WANT THEM!!?? NOW!!!
-Protesters

Yea, right. "NO ONE" is advocating killing LEOs...

Like I said.. You have your "truth"....

I have the facts...

Michale
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"Decency" requires putting justice first. LEOs demand blanket immunity for all LEOs regardless of their crimes or culpability.

"Honesty" requires putting truth first. LEOs do everything in their power to ensure that the crimes of LEOs never see public exposure.

"Public service" requires putting the public good first. LEOs demand "you're with us or against us". That's not serving the public. That's demanding the public serve you.

Black people are the public. LEOs willingness to sacrifice black people if they think it'll reduce their own risks isn't "protecting the public", its endangering the public. It isn't "heroic" its cowardly.

Demanding that blacks cease protesting the deaths of unarmed blacks at the hand of LEOs so LEOs can honor their own is yet another example of LEO contempt for the black public. Black lives don't matter. LEOs matter. What blacks want doesn't matter. What LEOs want matters.

LEOs want to pretend blacks should honor them for serving the public when they sure as hell don't serve black people. Like the thuggish occupation force they are, instead of the public servants they claim to be, LEOs think they've a right to demand respect.--Instead of having to earn it.

This country's law enforcement is racist and arbitrary. It has no moral authority. It's just subjugation by force. There's no "rule of law". The law doesn't apply to the rich and powerful. Doesn't apply often to the whites. It doesn't apply to government, and almost never applies to government agents.

Law abusers, by definition, are not law enforcers. LEOs do not automatically equate to law and order. Ever heard of the Gestapo?! Any number of people advocated killing those particular LEOs. Us among them. And with good reason!

No one is advocating killing our LEOS
--Yet. But the LEO "above the law", you're either on my side or "criminal scumbags", "shoot first and ask questions later" attitude is definitely headed in that direction.