Comments on: Jeb Bush's Pros And Cons http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/ Reality-based political commentary Sun, 14 Jun 2026 03:59:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55522 Michale Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:49:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55522 <I>Politics is fickle and both Romney and Clinton carry the whiff of past failure.</I> What do you think about Obama and his "new car smell" statement?? Obama just being Obama?? Or a calculated statement to undermine Hillary??? Michale 285 Politics is fickle and both Romney and Clinton carry the whiff of past failure.

What do you think about Obama and his "new car smell" statement??

Obama just being Obama??

Or a calculated statement to undermine Hillary???

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]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55518 TheStig Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:59:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55518 M (15) I didn't mean to exclude Hillary from the rejection rule! There is unease among the Democrats about how she strategized the 08 primaries and her post State stump skills. As a mass communicator, she is no Bill. The rise of Warren shows the level of unease. Politics is fickle and both Romney and Clinton carry the whiff of past failure. The hazards of being too close to big money were illustrated by an awkward Romney. Romney had to fight his centerist past in 08 primaries, Bush has acknowledged he'll have to do the same in '16. Running a Romney near-clone in '16 is tainted by association with the results of '12. The Rule isn't absolute (Nixon for example) and it's still very early. M (15)

I didn't mean to exclude Hillary from the rejection rule! There is unease among the Democrats about how she strategized the 08 primaries and her post State stump skills. As a mass communicator, she is no Bill. The rise of Warren shows the level of unease.

Politics is fickle and both Romney and Clinton carry the whiff of past failure. The hazards of being too close to big money were illustrated by an awkward Romney. Romney had to fight his centerist past in 08 primaries, Bush has acknowledged he'll have to do the same in '16. Running a Romney near-clone in '16 is tainted by association with the results of '12.

The Rule isn't absolute (Nixon for example) and it's still very early.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55503 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:39:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55503 Indeed! Indeed!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55482 Michale Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:30:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55482 <I>Romney was rejected once, that's usually enough in politics.</I> {{cough}}Hillary Clinton {{{cough}}} {cough} :D Michale 274 Romney was rejected once, that's usually enough in politics.

{{cough}}Hillary Clinton {{{cough}}} {cough}

:D

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]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55472 TheStig Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:56:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55472 JEB's biggest downside at the moment seems, to me, to be his stump style. Very rusty, very boring in early outings. This can change with coaching...and Hillary has had some problems getting in gear too. Having a bad interview with Terry Gross is hard achieve, although Jean Simmons of Kiss managed to pull that feat off too. A bigger problem is how he makes a living. It's basically Romney Lite. Jeb has access to people with money, Romney has much more actual money. That's an advantage in mobilization. Romney was rejected once, that's usually enough in politics. Does the public hanker for Romney Lite? Do Republicans hanker for Romney Lite? It's too early to take any of this too seriously. JEB's biggest downside at the moment seems, to me, to be his stump style. Very rusty, very boring in early outings. This can change with coaching...and Hillary has had some problems getting in gear too. Having a bad interview with Terry Gross is hard achieve, although Jean Simmons of Kiss managed to pull that feat off too.

A bigger problem is how he makes a living. It's basically Romney Lite. Jeb has access to people with money, Romney has much more actual money. That's an advantage in mobilization. Romney was rejected once, that's usually enough in politics. Does the public hanker for Romney Lite? Do Republicans hanker for Romney Lite?

It's too early to take any of this too seriously.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55430 Michale Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:38:49 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55430 <I>To put it another way, much more HW than W. I doubt I'd vote for him over Hillary </I> Why??? With Hillary's ties to Wall Street and all the headaches that Bubba in the White House will entail, why vote for Hillary??? Michale 243 To put it another way, much more HW than W. I doubt I'd vote for him over Hillary

Why???

With Hillary's ties to Wall Street and all the headaches that Bubba in the White House will entail, why vote for Hillary???

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]]> By: Bleyd http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55422 Bleyd Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:46:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55422 Jeb Bush strikes me as something of a throwback to the days when I was more of a supporter of the Republicans. He seems to be more statesman than politician, if that makes sense. To put it another way, much more HW than W. I doubt I'd vote for him over Hillary (though 23 months is a lot of time to change my mind), but at the very least I doubt I'd be pissed off if he got elected (again though, 23 months is a plenty of time for that to change). Jeb Bush strikes me as something of a throwback to the days when I was more of a supporter of the Republicans. He seems to be more statesman than politician, if that makes sense. To put it another way, much more HW than W. I doubt I'd vote for him over Hillary (though 23 months is a lot of time to change my mind), but at the very least I doubt I'd be pissed off if he got elected (again though, 23 months is a plenty of time for that to change).

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55419 Michale Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:57:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55419 Well, Democrats can kiss Florida goodbye in 2016... Michale 237 Well, Democrats can kiss Florida goodbye in 2016...

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]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55417 Michale Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:11:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55417 JL, <I>You also don't fight a war with iraq when the folks who attacked you are 1400 miles away on the other side of asia. The same reasoning could be applied to Germany and Japan, eh??</I> Scratch that.. I misread your comment.. The reasoning to attack Iraq was minimally about those who attacked us.. The main reasoning was that it appeared Hussein was developing NWMDs to compliment his CWMDs... Which is valid reasoning, not mitigated at all by the fact that it was in error... It could just as easily have gone the other way... And then the Hysterical Left would be screaming at Bush, <B>"WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP THIS??!!!!!"</B> Michale 235 JL,

You also don't fight a war with iraq when the folks who attacked you are 1400 miles away on the other side of asia.

The same reasoning could be applied to Germany and Japan, eh??

Scratch that.. I misread your comment..

The reasoning to attack Iraq was minimally about those who attacked us.. The main reasoning was that it appeared Hussein was developing NWMDs to compliment his CWMDs...

Which is valid reasoning, not mitigated at all by the fact that it was in error...

It could just as easily have gone the other way... And then the Hysterical Left would be screaming at Bush, "WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP THIS??!!!!!"

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]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55416 Michale Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:56:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55416 <I>and Russian Reset </I> I mean, picture the scene from the Russian's perspective... Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is handed a button by SecState Clinton that says "OVERCHARGED" and he is told that by pushing this make-believe button, the US and Russia will magically become the best of friends.. Lavrov must have walked away from the session shaking his head and thinking <B>"These Americans are frakin' morons!!"</B> Michale 233 and Russian Reset

I mean, picture the scene from the Russian's perspective...

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is handed a button by SecState Clinton that says "OVERCHARGED" and he is told that by pushing this make-believe button, the US and Russia will magically become the best of friends..

Lavrov must have walked away from the session shaking his head and thinking "These Americans are frakin' morons!!"

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]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55414 Michale Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:17:20 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55414 <I>I hope Jeb decides to run. It would bring back all the splendid memories of W.</I> I hope Hillary decides to run. It would bring back all the splendid memories of Bubba and Lewinsky and Jones and Broderick etc etc etc... And WhiteWater and Vince Foster and Travel Office.. And Benghazi and Russian Reset and sniper's in Bosnia and leaving the White House "dead broke" and Goldman Sachs.. Let's face it.. Hillary has skeleton's in her closet that have skeletons in THEIR closets... If you want to match honor and integrity between Hillary and Jeb, Hillary will lose and lose by a wide margin.. The ads practically write themselves.. <B>WHO WOULD YOU TRUST??</B> Michale 232 I hope Jeb decides to run. It would bring back all the splendid memories of W.

I hope Hillary decides to run. It would bring back all the splendid memories of Bubba and Lewinsky and Jones and Broderick etc etc etc...

And WhiteWater and Vince Foster and Travel Office..

And Benghazi and Russian Reset and sniper's in Bosnia and leaving the White House "dead broke" and Goldman Sachs..

Let's face it.. Hillary has skeleton's in her closet that have skeletons in THEIR closets...

If you want to match honor and integrity between Hillary and Jeb, Hillary will lose and lose by a wide margin..

The ads practically write themselves..

WHO WOULD YOU TRUST??

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]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55413 Michale Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:12:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55413 JL, <I>You also don't fight a war with iraq when the folks who attacked you are 1400 miles away on the other side of asia. </I> The same reasoning could be applied to Germany and Japan, eh?? <I>Don't get me wrong, democrats (including one senator clinton) were fully complicit in that epic blunder, </I> Fine... Steal my thunder! :D <I>but the buck does have to stop somewhere.</I> As long as where it stops is not based on partisan considerations, I am fine with that.. :D Michale 231 JL,

You also don't fight a war with iraq when the folks who attacked you are 1400 miles away on the other side of asia.

The same reasoning could be applied to Germany and Japan, eh??

Don't get me wrong, democrats (including one senator clinton) were fully complicit in that epic blunder,

Fine... Steal my thunder! :D

but the buck does have to stop somewhere.

As long as where it stops is not based on partisan considerations, I am fine with that.. :D

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]]> By: akadjian http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55410 akadjian Wed, 17 Dec 2014 03:33:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55410 I hope Jeb decides to run. It would bring back all the splendid memories of W. It's a good thing corporations own the media because they're gonna need it to sell us on another Bush. -David I hope Jeb decides to run. It would bring back all the splendid memories of W.

It's a good thing corporations own the media because they're gonna need it to sell us on another Bush.

-David

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55408 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:47:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55408 <i>You don't fight a war with unicorns and rainbows...</i> You also don't fight a war with iraq when the folks who attacked you are 1400 miles away on the other side of asia. Don't get me wrong, democrats (including one senator clinton) were fully complicit in that epic blunder, but the buck does have to stop somewhere. <b>Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" Vizzini - The Princess Bride</b> You don't fight a war with unicorns and rainbows...

You also don't fight a war with iraq when the folks who attacked you are 1400 miles away on the other side of asia. Don't get me wrong, democrats (including one senator clinton) were fully complicit in that epic blunder, but the buck does have to stop somewhere.

Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia"
Vizzini - The Princess Bride

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55407 Michale Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:32:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55407 <i>Luckily for the war criminal Cheney and his lawless gang of torture thugs, Emperor Obama's administration has exercised it's prosecutorial discretion and let them slide.</i> Are you kidding?? Cheney is EXACTLY the kind of wartime leader this country needed.. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/12/15/dick-cheneys-critics-and-moral-clarity-in-wartime-torture-terrorism/ Much like FDR in WWII... Like I told Bashi in the previous commentary.. You don't fight a war with unicorns and rainbows... Michale 230 Luckily for the war criminal Cheney and his lawless gang of torture thugs, Emperor Obama's administration has exercised it's prosecutorial discretion and let them slide.

Are you kidding??

Cheney is EXACTLY the kind of wartime leader this country needed..

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/12/15/dick-cheneys-critics-and-moral-clarity-in-wartime-torture-terrorism/

Much like FDR in WWII...

Like I told Bashi in the previous commentary..

You don't fight a war with unicorns and rainbows...

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]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55406 John From Censornati Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:39:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55406 Luckily for the war criminal Cheney and his lawless gang of torture thugs, Emperor Obama's administration has exercised it's prosecutorial discretion and let them slide. I wonder if Jeb would do the same, like a tyrant. Luckily for the war criminal Cheney and his lawless gang of torture thugs, Emperor Obama's administration has exercised it's prosecutorial discretion and let them slide.

I wonder if Jeb would do the same, like a tyrant.

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55405 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:02:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55405 If Jeb had run instead of his brother in 2000 I think he would have done a much better job. Beyond that, I'd still rather have Hillary than either Bush, or Obama for that matter. If Jeb had run instead of his brother in 2000 I think he would have done a much better job. Beyond that, I'd still rather have Hillary than either Bush, or Obama for that matter.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/12/15/jeb-bushs-pros-and-cons/#comment-55395 Michale Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:36:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=10080#comment-55395 I am torn on Jeb Bush for POTUS... On the plus side, the entire Bush clan has honesty, integrity and love of country up the wazzooo... On the negative side, his stance on immigration (while obviously understandable) is not good for the country.. His unwillingness to put Americans before illegals is a real strike against him.. In a match up between Hillary and Jeb, Jeb is the obvious best choice for the country.. But, that doesn't say very much, considering... Michale 226 I am torn on Jeb Bush for POTUS...

On the plus side, the entire Bush clan has honesty, integrity and love of country up the wazzooo...

On the negative side, his stance on immigration (while obviously understandable) is not good for the country.. His unwillingness to put Americans before illegals is a real strike against him..

In a match up between Hillary and Jeb, Jeb is the obvious best choice for the country..

But, that doesn't say very much, considering...

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