Well said...

Which is the point I have been making...

Michale

I disagree.

This effort to time the announcement is feeling like me trying to time a one-time purchase on the stock market -- "if I wait just one more week..." -- only to find the opportunity still isn't quite as good as it could be.

It stretches credulity to think the WH doesn't know what they're going to announce. They've had months to prepare courtesy of the midterms deferment. Tweak a adjective, round a number, but, really, by now it's ready or it never will be.

At some point, the tactical political calculus needs to stop and leadership to a new policy plateau begin. If it's the right thing to do, then do it. If it's not, then don't.

Too often what the Obama presidency could have been has been lost in either too careful posturing or an apparent lack of conviction. 90% of the time, I admire and approve the deliberate and pragmatic nature of this WH, but on this matter, it's about doing the right thing, not about when it's convenient.

No more waiting. Pres. Obama should announce the immigration EO now and then stand behind it.

No pun intended... :D

Michale

"If you gave an order that Santiago wasn't to be touched and your orders are always followed, why would he be in any danger? Why would it be necessary to transfer him off the base???"

If the plight of illegal immigrants is so dire and they are so deserving of relief, why did Obama wait until after the election??? Why was it necessary to delay such needed relief??

"The fact is, there was no transfer order. Santiago wasn't going anywhere, isn't that right, Colonel?"

The fact is, Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about the plight of the illegal immigrant. He just wants millions of freshly minted Democrat voters...

My logic is impeccable and indisputable...

Michale

I wasn't impugning your integrity at all. Like I have said before, I am sure that ya'all are sincere..

My only point was the fact that Obama waited until after the election PROVES that he doesn't care about the plight of the illegal immigrants..

For Obama and the Democrats, it's all about politics and remaining in power.

You mean, like, "promote the general welfare"? Like make health insurance affordable for all?

That's a stretch... :D

It says PROMOTE the general welfare. Not INSURE the general welfare...

It's like "the pursuit of happiness".. The Declaration Of Independence doesn't insure that everyone WILL be happy.. It simply guarantees that everyone is free to PURSUE happiness...

In other words, we've been telling you this all along. While the conservatives scream about "government takeover"... which is laughable, now that you've read that article, right?

So, if ya'all think that health insurance companies are the epitome of evil and that TrainWreckCare is nothing but a huge profit for the health insurance companies, the you MUST believe that TrainWreckCare is the epitome of evil..

QED

But, because it's "OBAMA"care, ya'all support it.. Even if it's the anti-thesis of all you believe in...

THAT's my point... THAT has been my point all along..

Michale

I actually wanted him to do it last summer, for a (possibly) similar reason. I thought it should be hashed out in the election. Congress wouldn't act (the House, at least), so I thought it was an important issue all politicians should have taken a stand on. If Obama had acted when he promised, it would have been front-and-center in the election. This might not have helped Democrats but to my way of thinking, that's how the electoral process should play out. Call me an idealist if you will...

Some Senate Dems begged him not to, and Obama gave in to them. They all got beat anyhow, from what I can see. So Obama should have just gone ahead anyway.

LizM [3] -

Excellent point. You'll enjoy this article -- lots of GOPers can't answer this question, because they are scared of saying what they really think.

Speak2 [4] -

Yeah, my thinking was, Thanksgiving: "keeping families together," or Christmas: both "goodwill toward men," as well as Feliz Navidad."

Michale [5] -

"Smashing military success"? Um, yeah, OK... if you say so.

As for "deport them all," two questions. (1) How much do you think that's going to cost? Are we just adding those costs to the deficit, or what? (2) Why do you think so few Republicans are willing to advocate this, if it's such an obvious answer? Politics, maybe?

[7] -

Isn't that JOB #1 of a government?? To take care of it's citizens first and foremost??

You mean, like, "promote the general welfare"? Like make health insurance affordable for all?

Heh... couldn't resist.

If you really want to understand what our country stood for at its founding, re-read the Constitution, and note where it says "citizen" and where it says "person." Where it doesn't specify citizens, it is written for all persons in the US. That's why they specifically used two terms. You might be surprised at how little "citizen" is specified, especially in the Bill of Rights.

Michale [16] -

Lefties all along have said that Obamacare was NOT "nationalized health" or "government taking over the health care market." Glad you read an article that showed you the light. Lefties were annoyed that there was no public option, and that it was essentially Romneycare -- a plan proposed by a right-wing think tank back in the 90s to boost health insurance company profits.

In other words, we've been telling you this all along. While the conservatives scream about "government takeover"... which is laughable, now that you've read that article, right?

And it's not "trillion dollar profits" it's $2 trillion of subsidies. There's a difference.

-CW

The American people have stated unequivocally that they are overwhelmingly against Amnesty For Immigrant Criminals...

The American people have SHOWN that they are overwhelmingly against Immigrant For Immigrant Criminals by totally decimating the Democrat Party in the Great Nuclear Shellacking Of 2014....

If Obama insists on going against the will of the people and the Republicans FIGHT that with the powers that they have....

WHO do you think is going to get the blame??

The Republicans who are fighting FOR what the American people want???

Or the Demcorats who are going AGAINST the wishes of the American people..

Democrats will get the blame for ANYTHING that happens..

It's not rocket science, people... If Democrats insist on being AGAINST the American people...

The Democrat Party will get the blame for any consequences...

It's that simple...

Michale

For years, ya'all have vilified health insurance companies and for the last couple years ya have sung the praises of TrainWreckCare...

And then we come to find out that Obama and those same healthcare insurance companies have been in bed together, conspiring to give the companies TRILLION dollar profits in the form of OBAMACARE...

Health Care Law Recasts Insurers as Obama Allies
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/us/politics/health-law-turns-obama-and-insurers-into-allies.html

Ya'all can ridicule me all you want, go on and on about how I spout nonsense...

But at least *I* have been consistent and true to my principles...

With ya'all's unwavering and undying devotion to Obama, ya'all cannot make the same claim...

Think about it...

Michale

Michale

"Allllllll righty then"
-Ace Ventura

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"
-John Heywood, 1546

:D

Michale

Yet the ONLY counter to the fact is what POLITICAL leaders are saying...

And it's easy to point out that POLITICAL (so-called) leaders are the epitome of delusional beliefs..

One only has to remember the run-up to the Great Nuclear Shellacking Of 2014 to know this is true..

Well, that has become pretty much a given ... :(

I am sure, by ya'all's reckoning, this is true..

But I would be happy to list all the common-sense points that I have made that no one can address...

How much time ya got?? :D

Michale

It's easy for you to say what shouldn't be done, on any given issue. But, a serious discussion will remain elusive until you come up with serious proposals about what SHOULD be done.

Well, that has become pretty much a given ... :(

If what you say about the thinking in military circles is true (and I think that's a pretty big IF) then it's really amazing how those in military circles can be so easily self-deluded. And, it's that kind of delusion that doesn't bode well for the success of current and future US military adventures.

Wouldn't you agree?? Obama agreed with me..

I mean, seriously. Isn't that JOB #1 of a government?? To take care of it's citizens first and foremost??

Apologies if this is one of those questions that " that are so far removed from reality"

:D

What you call "removed from reality" is usually nothing more than common sense that is undeniable and therefore, unadressable...

Michale

It's worked before...

How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico
By John Dillin JULY 6, 2006
WASHINGTON — George W. Bush isn't the first Republican president to face a full-blown immigration crisis on the US-Mexican border.

Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.

President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

All it takes is to develop the mindset that the health and safety of American citizens is a bigger priority than the immigrant criminals.. And take politics out of the equation..

Michale

History, and the facts, say different.

It's common knowledge amongst military circles that, after Bush's surge, Iraq was a smashing military success.

It's also common knowledge in those same circles that Obama made a HUGE blunder by leaving too soon..

Here's another FYI ... silence does not mean acquiescence. On the contrary, it only reflects an immense level of frustration with comments that are so far removed from reality that I, for one, will not waste time responding to them.

Yea, that's the common meme around here.. :D

But yet some comments do get debated when there is an argument to be made...

So, if ya'all have an argument for SOME of the comments, it's only logical to conclude that when some of my comments go un-responded-to it's because there is no argument...

"Simple logic"
-Spock, STAR TREK IV, The Voyage Home

:D

Forgive me, Michale, if you've already answered this but, what would be your approach to dealing with the millions of illegal immigrants who are living in the US now and who have been for a long time?

I am not sure.. Will have to think of that one..

But I know that the one thing that SHOULDN'T be done is to give them an All-Day E-Ticket to use up resources and take jobs that SHOULD go to American citizens...

Wouldn't you agree?? Obama agreed with me..

It sounds to me like your answer to this immigration problem is mass deportation.

I've heard of worse ideas... :D

How would that work, exactly?

It really wouldn't be that hard..

All it takes is the political will...

No country on the planet would allow such illegal immigration to stand.. Especially when the illegal immigrants are killing and raping so many American citizens.

Why should the US??

Michale

Could be a strong play if done well and subtly, especially in the south.

It sounds to me like your answer to this immigration problem is mass deportation. How would that work, exactly?

Because you so often equate our silence with acquiescence, I am compelled to point out, for your information, that the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 was the complete opposite of success, any way you slice it.

Here's another FYI ... silence does not mean acquiescence. On the contrary, it only reflects an immense level of frustration with comments that are so far removed from reality that I, for one, will not waste time responding to them.

It's not about helping the downtrodden...

It's all about politics...

If the immigrant criminals TRULY needed and deserved help, then the election wouldn't matter one single bit..

If those people are REALLY deserving of aid and comfort, then Obama SHOULD have done it during the summer, like he promised..

The simple fact that Obama is waiting until the best POLITICAL moment proves beyond ANY doubt that it's not about altruism...

It's all about the Democrat Party partisan agenda...

PERIOD...

Michale