Now THAT was funny!! :D

No, THAT'S the truth. :)

It wasn't directed at you. I would NEVER!! :D

Like "Talking Points"... :D

Yet ANOTHER example of why the Democrat Party is the Hypocrite Party..

It was directed at the totality of the Left.. :D

OK, so how does moving a polling place away from a college campus further that goal, and does not qualify as "an attempt at voter suppression"?

I would have to know the specifics before I could intelligently comment...

Didn't see it. Was it as bad as the Fox football robot? [Shudder]

Hay!! That robot is kewl!!! :D

Naw, it was this....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2014/11/10/b7a6cea214329b3ed4f06488058dd4152b55d564.gif

How spooky is that!! :D

Should a state-issued student ID count? Just curious...

It depends on the process to obtain that student ID.. THAT is what's important.

If you just walk up to a registrar's desk and say, "I am so and so, can I have an ID??" then no...

But if the ID process is similar to the DMV to GET the student ID, then yes...

Except here in California (liberal paradise, dontcha know), where we passed a voter initiative which dictated that redistricting would happen by neutral parties and software, to minimize any attempted gerrymandering. Of course, you'd be in favor of that being implemented in Florida, right?

Abso-posit-loutly..

IF... If you are in favor of approved photo ID for voters..

Q: "What is the difference between having sex in a canoe and American beer?"

A: "They're both fucking close to water."

Now THAT was funny!! :D

Michale

I am sure ALEC made the same claim at it's inception

Um, no. ALEC never even tried to promise this, sorry. We'll see who is right.

As for "talking points," well, you know I've ALWAYS made the case that they're nothing more than a neutral tool, personally. So I'm not sure where that "hypocrite" thing is coming from...

You do raise a good point about the marketability of the left vs. the right. I can't argue with the examples you've given, I must admit. But there's always hope...

But I'm glad you see the drawing power of "SiX PAC"... heh....

:-)

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OK, so how does moving a polling place away from a college campus further that goal, and does not qualify as "an attempt at voter suppression"?

I mean, I've said before "Voter ID has at least a shred of justification, but how do restricting voters' ability to cast a ballot qualify?"

[4] -

Didn't see it. Was it as bad as the Fox football robot? [Shudder]

akadjian [5] -

Think Kasich is going to run? Just curious...

Michale [15] -

Should a state-issued student ID count? Just curious...

akadjian [17] -

Amen to that. No poll tax, hidden or otherwise. Make it free. Birth certificate copies should be free, and "Age of majority" cards should also be free from the state. That would remove a lot of the basic problem, right there.

Michale [19] -

Except here in California (liberal paradise, dontcha know), where we passed a voter initiative which dictated that redistricting would happen by neutral parties and software, to minimize any attempted gerrymandering. Of course, you'd be in favor of that being implemented in Florida, right?

Heh.

akadjian [22] -

Deal. Now if only we were running the world ..

Oh, now there's a scary thought...

Heh.

As for porters, well, they're a bit heavy for me these days. I mean, I went through an Anchor Steam phase, but got over it.

These days, I'm more into pale ales, truth be told...

But I do appreciate a more full-bodied quaff, now and again, even now.

:-)

Michale [23] -

Bud Light? [shudder]

Here's my one Canadian joke. You'll like it.

Q: "What is the difference between having sex in a canoe and American beer?"

A: "They're both fucking close to water."

Heh.

-CW

For a while, anyhow.. :D

Michale

Alas, poor Adams, Schaffer, and Murkowski ... they served us well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jut657kfhrE

Michale

Their Roebling Porter was unbelievable.

Not one to experiment when it comes to beers.. :D

We were at a karaoke bar one night about 15 years ago... I got a pitcher of Samuel Adams because it was free...

Took a sip and almost died...

I'll stick to the old tried and true Bud Light... :D

Michale

Deal. Now if only we were running the world ... heheh.

Btw, tried this place last night: http://rivertownbrewery.com/

Their Roebling Porter was unbelievable.

-David

Agreed..

A universally identical process whose ONLY goal and ONLY consideration is to get Photo IDs to voters.

A process that doesn't favor ANY specific group or interest, but rather just accomplishes the mission...

I'm down with that..

"I'm hip.. I'm with it.. dacka dacka dacka dacka"
-Dr Evil

:D

Michale

And non-gerrymandered districts is another.

See #19....

But I'll meet you....

You support photo ID for voters and I'll oppose gerrymandering.. :D

Deal???

Michale

Together, they provided him with an overwhelmingly Democratic voter base and with access to the upper financial and intellectual reaches of the Democratic Party — and, in short time, the presidency of the United States.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/is-this-the-political-map-of-the-future/article/2556090

Like I said, David... Both Partys game the system to their advantage...

"... nature of the beast"
-Col Hadley, THE FINAL OPTION

If you want to condemn gaming of the system, then you have to condemn ALL gaming..

Else it's nothing but partisan politicking...

Michale

And non-gerrymandered districts is another.

I don't. So long as it's not a tax on people (make it free) and it's easily available.

That is, the process for obtaining doesn't favor one side or the other.

Agreed.. And implementing photo ID for voters is one step in that process...

Michale

Then you shouldn't have a problem with PHOTO ID...

A utility bill or a library card is not a legitimate ID..

Do you know how I know??

Trying getting on an Airplane with one.. :D

Michale

Fix it so it favors Democrats?? :D

In Ohio, cheating favors the GOP...

After Obama does his Amnesty For Criminals crap, cheating will favor Democrats...

I really can't get worked up over Republicans gaming the system when Democrats do it as well..

Now, if you want to get worked up over BOTH Partys cheating, then I am with ya there..

But, to do that, you would have to go against the Democrat Party and I don't think you are prepared to do that..

Michale

Hmmm ... in Ohio, it's a fact of a completely corrupt Republican party. If it is the case that it's "modern politics," shouldn't we fix the system?

Literally, it's so rigged in Ohio that the farce that we're a democracy isn't even holding up so well. Or, as someone I know said today "I miss pseudo democracy."

I mean ... what happens when Republicans establish one party rule?

Will Republicans still try to tell us we have a choice? Isn't there a point where the credibility of government-hating people in government collapses?

Or, do you think they'll just be able to manipulate people through corporate media and psyops?

-David

It's called "Gaming The System" and, sadly, it's a fact of modern politics...

Republicans do it.. Democrats do it..

In the current election, Republicans did it better...

Once Democrats initiate their Amnesty For Criminals, they have a shot at doing it better...

Michale

It's so rigged here in Ohio though that I think the conservatives are actually plotting to figure out how to make it more fair.

I was, however, successful in my bet to pick all 16 candidates before the election. Unfortunately.

-David

Michale

Yer alive!!!!!!

"Yer alive!!! And a horrible shot!!"
-Jim Carrey, DUMB AND DUMBER

:D

Michale

I hate to say it but I think corporations have won until the next giant collapse.

Here in Ohio the Democratic Party is in trouble.

All 3 of the major newspapers have a corporate/ conservative slant. Television and radio ... similarly.

We're likely going to see some changes on a scale like Kansas and it won't receive any media coverage (unless it's positive).

I wonder what would happen if the Ohio Democratic Party folded. Would people even care that there was no choice?

It's funny though. It hasn't lessened any of the rage. AM radio still whips up the nutters about the gub'ment. They don't seem to understand that they are the gub'ment. At least in Ohio.

-David

http://drudgereport.com/

I am going to have to swear off Drudge until the change their headline...

That robot is just freakin' me out!!!

:D

Michale

My tirade was against the Left in general and Democrat political leadership in particular..

I don't question ya'alls motives in any way, shape or form...

I fully believe that ya'all BELIEVE in what your Democrat leadership is telling you. I firmly believe that ya'all are being sincere and that ya'all really believe that it's about suppression..

But ya'all are being used by your Democrat leadership to further their own un-popular and bigoted agenda...

Just want to make sure that the distinction is understood...

Michale

It's Voter ID Laws, NOT Voter Suppression.. Suppression is just spin...

It could just easily be said as Anti-Voter Fraud laws or Vote Integrity laws..

Let's face it. I have proven beyond any doubt that the Left's cry of "THERE IS NO VOTE FRAUD" is utter and complete felgercarp..

I saids it befores and I'll says it agains..

The ONLY reason to be against Vote Integrity laws is to make it easier to cheat.

That's the ONLY logical and rational reason...

And, considering the Great Nuclear Shellacking Of 2014, it's becoming obvious that the ONLY way Democrats are going to win elections IS to cheat...

Which explains the upcoming Amnesty For Immigrant Criminals and the Left's hysterical stand against Vote Integrity laws...

It's a proven fact that immigrant criminals vote in our elections.. And it's a proven fact that the Left is aiding and abetting these criminal actions..

So, let's drop the pretense and the holier than thou "Oh my gods, think of the children!!!" mentality AKA Voter "suppression"...

It's not about suppression. It's about making easier to cheat..

It's that simple...

Michale

In other words...

"Your good and your evil use the same methods to achieve the same goals."
-Yarnek, STAR TREK, The Savage Curtain

Purists will argue against the idea, for various reasons. The first comes from the decriers of money in politics, who will doubtlessly denounce SiX as just another way elections will be influenced by big-money donors. This is, at heart, a politically suicidal case to make. Sure, we can all denounce Citizens United until we're blue in the face, but the law is what it now is, and to ignore the way politics is currently being played is to lose -- lose winnable races, and lose on all your agenda items. See: last Tuesday, for more detail. Money in politics is not a good thing in the abstract, but it is a devastating thing for your side when all the money goes to the other guys. Foregoing money for purist reasons is to disarm before the battle begins.

So, pragmatism wins out over principle..

Hay, don't get me wrong. I am completely on board with it.. I wholeheartedly support the ide...

It does explain, though, why I believe that the Democrat Party is the Hypocrite Party...

At least SiX will be making its donors public, something that ALEC never has done.

yea, so they say.. I am sure ALEC made the same claim at it's inception as well... Let's face it. "Transparency" is another issue that makes the Democrat Party, the Hypocrite Party...

ALEC has shown -- painfully, for progressives -- how successful their model can be in getting state laws passed. We've seen a whole raft of laws from red states over the past few decades which have pushed conservative ideology hard. Some might call the opposition's tactics evil or morally wrong, but this argument is misdirected. ALEC uses boilerplate laws as a tool to achieve its goals. You can disagree with the goals all you want, but you've got to at least admit that their method is working wonders for them. The method itself isn't right or wrong, it is merely a tool. A tool which can be used for other goals -- progressive ones. The tool itself is neutral, and should only be measured by its success.

Like "Talking Points"... :D

The Left tried sooo very hard to discredit "Talking Points" because they were sooo very effective..

Then the Left adopted the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality and now there are Left Wing talking points all around us...

Yet ANOTHER example of why the Democrat Party is the Hypocrite Party..

Which is why I'm hoping SiX can make a go of it at the state level. National Democrats have been ignoring this layer of government for too long, and the citizens of the affected states have paid a heavy price for this neglect. An organization dedicated to leveling the playing fields (all 50 of them) strikes me as a very good idea indeed. It is far too early to predict how successful SiX can be at countering conservatives in the statehouses, but it's not too early to wish them all the success they can manage to achieve.

If history is any example, it will be a dismal failure..

It seems that every time the Left tries to create a Right Wing version of something in the Left it never gets off the ground..

Air America
MSNBC
Occupy

The list is endless...

The problem is that Joe & Jane SixPack don't buy into the Democrat agenda...

Which is why Right Wing talk radio is so successful and Air America bit the big one..

It's why Fox News dominates cable and MSNBC limps along..

It's why Occupy was a passing fad but the Tea Party actually AFFECTED politics..

By and Large, the Left are in their own little world and while it's a pretty world to visit, Joe and Jane Sixpack don't to live there...

Having said all that...

But, again, I shouldn't get snarky, because the new organization will create one snappy moniker when it forms its own political action committee, to be known (of course) as "SiX PAC."

It might be a success, just on the basis of THAT alone!!! :D

Michale