Comments on: The Aftermath

By: Michale

Michale — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 12:36:50 +0000

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/11/07/the_shrinkage_of_the_obama_majority_124599.html

Says it better than I have....

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 08:13:56 +0000

the behavior of the electorate IS illogical.

There is "illogical" and then there is bat-shit crazy...

And the American People approving of the Democrat Party agenda but then overwhelmingly decimating that same Democrat Party in election all up and done the governmental spectrum??

THAT is bat-shit crazy...

And the American electorate simply does not do bat-shit crazy...

I know I am right. Do you know how I know I am right??

Because ya'all would be making the EXACT SAME arguments that I am making if the election had gone the same way, but favored Demcorats instead of Republicans..

So, how can my arguments be wrong if it's YA'ALL'S arguments??

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 21:12:11 +0000

So, where has David been??? YoYo?? JFC???

Drinking binges??? :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:26:17 +0000

your logic only works if one pre-supposes that people care about issues as much as other factors. take into account the fact that overall they don't, and it makes perfect sens.

We'll just have to agree to disagree...

I find it impossible to believe that the American people like the Democrat Party agenda but overwhelmingly voted Republicans into office up and down the political spectrum...

Especially when the polls also show that the American people don't agree with the majority of the Democrat Party agenda...

But, like I said.. I honestly hope that the Democrats continue pushing this agenda, operating under the assumption that it's just the messaging and not the message..

That means that 2016 will make 2014 look like a family picnic by comparison...

So... KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON.... :D

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:18:19 +0000

that is, perfect sense.

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:17:58 +0000

Oh, the American people disagreed with Republicans and shellacked their asses out of office..

But the American people AGREE with Democrats but still shellacked their asses out of office...

It's completely and utterly illogical...

the behavior of the electorate IS illogical. issues matter most on ballot initiatives, and even then a strong campaign can trump issue agreement. when we elect a candidate, personality and trusting a candidate are much stronger predictors of voting behavior. read anything by drew westen. in 2004 bush's poll numbers on issues were terrible and kerry's weren't terrible, but at the core people just trusted bush more, and that (along with a bit of sketchy electioneering in ohio) is what decided the election.

your logic only works if one pre-supposes that people care about issues as much as other factors. take into account the fact that overall they don't, and it makes perfect sens.

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:07:16 +0000

I asked this before but I guess it got lost in all the shuffle and celebration... What would it take to convince ya'all that the American people don't want many of the items that are on the agenda of the Democrat Party??? Obviously, a Nuclear Shellacking with those very policies on the ballot won't do it.. Obviously polls that show overwhelming rejection of this agenda won't do it.. So, what would it take to convince ya'all that the American people don't want TrainWreckCare... Don't want Amnesty for immigrant criminals... Don't want Carbon taxes... Don't want "skyrocketing utility bills"... Don't want forced Union membership... What would it take to convince ya'all that the American people don't want these things??? Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:47:28 +0000

“You don’t like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. "
-President Obama, October 2013

That's JUST what the American people did...

But it doesn't do any good to win an election when the narcissistic powers that be refuse to acknowledge the loss and refuse to recognize the WHY of the loss...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:42:59 +0000

neither the first nor the last thing he's been wrong about.

But that's just it...

Every indication says that he WAS right... A handful of ballot measures that we're a mere micro-fraction of what Democrats really wanted does not negate the overwhelming showing of Republicans in races all across the country at EVERY LEVEL of government, Federal, State and Local...

Republicans won in the bluest of blue areas in Maryland, Illinois and California...

A few ballot measures nationwide simply cannot negate the facts...

i would say that people both disagreed AND didn't trust bush and republicans in 2008. but the lack of trust was the only one of those factors germane to the election.

Don't you see the untenable position you are in??

Oh, the American people disagreed with Republicans and shellacked their asses out of office..

But the American people AGREE with Democrats but still shellacked their asses out of office...

It's completely and utterly illogical..

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:17:35 +0000

"Make no mistake. I may not be on the ballot this election but my policies, each and every one of them, ARE on the ballot" -President Obama neither the first nor the last thing he's been wrong about. So, you would agree that, in 2008, it wasn't that the American people DISAGREED with Bush and Republicans, it's just that they didn't TRUST Bush and Republicans... i would say that people both disagreed AND didn't trust bush and republicans in 2008. but the lack of trust was the only one of those factors germane to the election. JL

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:40:53 +0000

So, you would agree that, in 2008, it wasn't that the American people DISAGREED with Bush and Republicans, it's just that they didn't TRUST Bush and Republicans...

I know, I know.. I am annoying as hell....

But what I am doing is taking your own argument and putting it into a context where you can see it from a different perspective and thereby judge the validity of the argument..

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:25:14 +0000

therefore, my read on this is NOT that the country doesn't AGREE with democrats, it's that they don't TRUST democrats. is that clear enough for you? So, you would agree that, in 2008, it wasn't that the American people DISAGREED with Bush and Republicans, it's just that they didn't TRUST Bush and Republicans... You and I BOTH know that this is simply not a factual statement... Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:17:57 +0000

Cory Gardner beat Udall in part because he learned the very basic lesson that you can win over women as a Republican by not sounding completely fucking insane.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/05/liberal-hangover-2014-democrats

Now THAT was funny!! :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:11:59 +0000

therefore, my read on this is NOT that the country doesn't AGREE with democrats, it's that they don't TRUST democrats. is that clear enough for you? Yes it is... I was operating under a misconception of your argument and I apologize for that... But, with the utmost respect, your argument is wrong and here's why... "Make no mistake. I may not be on the ballot this election but my policies, each and every one of them, ARE on the ballot" -President Obama The American people voted against the policies... Overwhelmingly... This was as pure of a PROTEST election as we are likely to see in our lifetimes.. Time will tell if the Democrats (AND the Republicans) learned anything new.... Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:05:48 +0000

It's all "circumstances" and "bad luck" and "turnout"... um, no. it's about disciplined campaigning and candidates that seem genuine. republicans did both and democrats did neither. the issues matter in terms of who to vote for and how they govern, but they've never been all that important to who wins an election. winning has a habit of making candidates (and pundits) mistakenly think that people agree with one policy point or another. but it's usually not the case. let me give a counter-example: Multiple states have in the past passed ballot measures that the left hates, like bans on gay marriage. does the fact that a state elected mostly democrats mean that the state is overwhelmingly in support of marriage equality? no, because the issues and the candidates are two different things. people don't vote for the candidate they agree with, they vote for the candidate they trust. therefore, my read on this is NOT that the country doesn't AGREE with democrats, it's that they don't TRUST democrats. is that clear enough for you? JL

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:58:51 +0000

JL,

Here ya go, Joshua...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/05/liberal-hangover-2014-democrats

I have a feeling that this is what you are trying to say... :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:50:48 +0000

if it takes a shellacking for dems to remember this basic tenet, so be it.

Now, we're coming around to common ground..

But, the problem is rank and file Democrats don't see it that way...

The White House blames rank and file Democrats for running away from Obama..

Rank and file Democrats in the House and Senate blame a fickle, narcissistic Obama for being such an incompetent moron..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/11/06/the-insiders-let-the-payback-begin/

No one, not one single Democrat is willing to look in the mirror and say, "Ya know, maybe *I* am part of the problem.."

And ya know what??

It's THAT unwillingness to take responsibility that is going to doom Democrats in 2016...

I have been saying for months that, if Democrats don't start listening to the will of the American people, 2014 will make 2010 look like a family picnic by comparison...

And, as events have shown, I was prophetically dead on ballz accurate....

The same warning applies...

If Democrats don't start putting the country ahead of their agenda, the same thing or worse is going to happen in 2016.....

"It happened before. It WILL happen again"
-Charleton Heston, ARMAGEDDON

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:45:20 +0000

perhaps not all, but certainly minimum wage,

I have already addressed this.. Democrats wanted an min wage increase of $10 or more...

The American people allowed an increase of a quarter and 50 cents.. If you want to call that a "victory"... well, that is the epitome of digging deep for a silver lining...

birth control, a fetus should not be afforded the rights and status of a person.

If women's issues were such a big win for Democrats this election, how come Wendy Davis lost and lost big?? Hell, she even lost AMONGST WOMEN!!!

Look, I get it.. You are trying to salvage ANY good news, any shred of (what you would think is) shining lights amongst all the despair and decimation...

I am not trying to begrudge you that..

Yes.. There is a minor point of light here and there...

But, to point to those VERY few microscopic points of light and say, "SEE!! *THAT* is what this election was about!!!".....

Well, that's just ridiculous...

Yes... It's not ALL, 1000% bad news for Democrats... I'll give you that..

But you simply cannot argue that those minor scintilla of silver linings have any real bearing on the totality of the Nuclear Shellacking that decimated the Democrat Party..

Such an argument simply cannot be supported by the facts of the here and now......

No way, no how...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:33:28 +0000

The only way that the Democrat Party is going to survive to actually be a force to worry about in 2016 is to develop some humility and some sense of responsibility.

But from what I am seeing here in Weigantia and what I am seeing out in the blogosphere, it doesn't seem like the Left is inclined to do either of those things...

It's all "circumstances" and "bad luck" and "turnout"...

The Great Nuclear Shellacking had absolutely NOTHING to do with Democrat policies are agenda..

Keep thinking that way..

Such thinking will insure a Right Wing government in 2016 and beyond...

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:27:38 +0000

michale,

You are saying that the American people overwhelmingly approve of all the Democrat's and Obama's policies and programs yet STILL totally decimated their ranks and gave power to Republicans, power unseen by the GOP in a hundred years..

Is THAT what you are saying???

perhaps not all, but certainly minimum wage, birth control, mj legalization, business regulation and that a fetus should not be afforded the rights and status of a person. that's evidenced by the ballot initiatives. opinion on the ACA has hovered around 40% for, 40% against and 20% undecided, with a dramatic partisan divide and very little overall deviation for the past four years. the individual mandate with no public option is the only part of it that's deeply unpopular on both sides; pretty much all the other provisions poll quite well independently of any candidate.

admittedly, those are not the only policies that democrats support (or claim to support). however, elections for office have rarely if ever been about policy, and nearly always been about personality and discipline. republicans did not forget this, and ran with outstanding discipline and more stable personalities. if it takes a shellacking for dems to remember this basic tenet, so be it.

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:19:33 +0000

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/11/06/the-insiders-let-the-payback-begin/

Ya know, all the talk of the Republican Civil War, it looks like the REAL UN-Civil War was being fought on the Democrat side of the line....

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:55:12 +0000

WH Press LOLs at Earnest’s Refusal to Admit Dems ‘Lost' - Or That Losing Is 'Bad'
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/wh-press-lols-earnest-s-refusal-admit-dems-lost-or-losing-bad

Well, I guess it's not just here in Weigantia that people have a problem with accepting and acknowledging reality...

Maybe it's a Democrat thing....

No, that can't be it, because Bubba expressed reality perfectly after the 1994 drubbing...

And it can't be a politician thing because Bush expressed reality perfectly after the 2006 thumpin'....

So, that only leaves that it's an ObamaBot thing....

Thank the gods that the Obama Era is over...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:26:47 +0000

As far as the "It was a turnout issue, nothing more" claim??

In Colorado, turnout was much higher in 2014 than it was in previous midterms..

And the Republican won with a large cushion to spare...

Looks like ya'all are all out of excuses..

It wasn't a turnout issue..

It WAS a policy issue...

Like I said..

Quit denying reality...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:23:43 +0000

And let me put to rest the idea that this Nuclear Shellacking was NOT about policy...

It was not in the least a charisma election, a sweeping expression of support for a character or personality or movement. It was a message election. Sweeps like this come down to policy and governance. America on Tuesday told one party no, you’re not doing it right, we don’t like what we’re seeing, and your preoccupations (birth control, “War on Women”) are not our priorities.

The president said he was not on the ballot but his policies were.

Those policies were resoundingly repudiated.

-Peggy Noonan
http://online.wsj.com/articles/peggy-noonan-a-message-sent-to-a-grudging-president-1415320458

To deny the logic is to deny reality...

Quit denying reality!!

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:18:01 +0000

The defeat — “a massacre,” the Economist called it — marks the final collapse of Obamaism, a species of left liberalism so intrusive, so incompetently executed and ultimately so unpopular that it will be seen as a parenthesis in American political history. Notwithstanding Obama’s awkward denials at his next-day news conference, he himself defined the election when he insisted just last month that “these [i.e. his] policies are on the ballot — every single one of them.”
-Charles Krauthammer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-seize-the-day-control-the-agenda/2014/11/06/35af2aa6-65f9-11e4-bb14-4cfea1e742d5_story.html

There is simply no denying the accuracy and the logic of Chuck's statement..

I invite everyone to read the link in full. Krauthammer sets up an agenda that I bet, once ya'all can get past the political bigotry that we ALL have, that ya'all will actually AGREE with many of the agenda items...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:59:44 +0000

The Democrats got totally and utterly decimated.. There can be no denying this...

The American people, in a tsunami, overwhelmingly put Republicans in control completely across local, state and federal levels...

And ya'all are trying to say that such a thorough rout, such a total and complete decimation, such a overwhelmingly cataclysmic annihilation of the Democrat Party had absolutely NOTHING to do with the policies and programs of Obama and the Democrats???

Who are you trying to convince??

Me??

Or yourselves??

That's EXACTLY the same thing as saying that Bush's inept handling of the Iraq War and the Economic Conflagration Of 2007 had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Democrats' rise to power in 2008...

So, which is it??

Either Republican policies and programs had NOTHING to do with the Republican rout in 2008...

Or Democrat policies had EVERYTHING to do with the Great Democrat Nuclear Shellacking Of 2014...

You can't have it both ways, people... It's against the rules.. :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:37:00 +0000

yet most specific provisions of the ACA have absolutely had majority approval. as i recall, CW ran a column that gave a laundry list of provisions and their approval ratings. but lump it all together and slap obama's name on it, and suddenly it's the devil. you're making my point for me, it's the people that are losing, not the policies. No, it's not the people.. It's the few policies that are really really REALLY bad that the American people don't like that drag down the whole law in the eyes of same American people.. Ironically enough, it's those same policies that Obama HAD to postpone to try and win the election.. You are not hearing me... If these things are so good for the country, amnesty for criminals, TrainWreckCare, etc etc etc, then they should have been implemented BEFORE the election. So Democrats could reap the benefits of these totally awesome for America programs.. But these programs AREN'T good for the country, which is why they were delayed and postponed til after the election. And it's those programs that formed the basis of the Nuclear Shellacking against Democrats... i'll go you one better: the losses experienced by the democrats this week are IN SPITE of widespread approval of most of the policies they claim to support. I just re-read this.. I am a little slow, literally just woke up... You are saying that the American people overwhelmingly approve of all the Democrat's and Obama's policies and programs yet STILL totally decimated their ranks and gave power to Republicans, power unseen by the GOP in a hundred years.. Is THAT what you are saying??? I would REALLY love to see the facts that back up this claim... "Would you like me to explain?" "I would LOVE to hear this!!" "So would I..." -My Cousin Vinny :D Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:27:31 +0000

calling immigrants criminals for crossing a forbidden border is ridiculous. i think i jaywalked today, want the government to come and arrest me?

You might call it ridiculous, but it's still a fact..

YOU jaywalking isn't a big deal.. But if you have tens of thousands of jay walkers who, in the process of jaywalking many rape and murder and kill innocent people and who also causes millions of dollars in damage and lost revenue and use up resources that COULD go to Americans??

Well, then you can see how jaywalking might be a problem..

i'll go you one better: the losses experienced by the democrats this week are IN SPITE of widespread approval of most of the policies they claim to support.

And yet, you have NO FACTS to back up any of that..

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 03:34:40 +0000

i was referring to business regulation, sorry for the confusion. TrainWreckCare has NEVER, NOT ONCE, enjoyed majority approval... yet most specific provisions of the ACA have absolutely had majority approval. as i recall, CW ran a column that gave a laundry list of provisions and their approval ratings. but lump it all together and slap obama's name on it, and suddenly it's the devil. you're making my point for me, it's the people that are losing, not the policies. As far as amnesty for criminals?? Yea, the criminals LOVE the amnesty program. calling immigrants criminals for crossing a forbidden border is ridiculous. i think i jaywalked today, want the government to come and arrest me? Regardless of all that, you simply cannot make the case that the Nuclear Shellacking experienced by Obama and the Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with the policies of Obama and the Democrats.. i'll go you one better: the losses experienced by the democrats this week are IN SPITE of widespread approval of most of the policies they claim to support. JL

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 01:03:52 +0000

Filter problems solved (for now, at least).

My apologies for the confusion. I deleted a few comments that were nothing more than retrys, but I approved at least one copy of all of them. There may be a few duplicates left, sorry about that.

I'll get to answering these in a bit, just wanted to fix the problem first.

-CW

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:36:23 +0000

Once we all agree that the Obama Era is over, THEN we can get to discussing how badly the GOP fraks everything up!! :D

I predict a wild and fun two years here in Weigantia... :D

Michale

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:29:41 +0000

OK, folks, sorry for the filter snafu.

A bunch of comments got filtered out as spam, I will attend to fixing this in a moment, but I'm busy putting today's column up (Obama Poll Watch day) so it'll have to wait a bit.

Patience, please...

-CW

By: Michale

Michale — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:22:09 +0000

There is simply no way that ANYONE can make the case that what occurred is anything but the nuclear powered repudiation of Obama and the Demcorat agenda...

Like the editor of HuffPoop said...

"The Obama Era is over."

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:56:49 +0000

The legalization and regulation points seem to be caught in the NNL filters...

Ya'all make it sound like Obama and Democrats have absolutely no responsibility for the Nuclear Shellacking whatsoever.. That it was all just a series of C.A.R.E. isssues..

What can't you concede that the possibility exists that the American people simply don't like what the Demcorats are pushing??

That explains things a lot more fully and rationally than a bunch of C.A.R.E. incidents...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:56:09 +0000

The legalization and regulation point seems to be caught in the NNL filters...

Suffice it to say that the only people who care about recreational legalization is the people who want to get high..

Sorry, I can't muster up much ooommmfffpphhhh to care....

Regulation?? The vast majority of pot income goes to taxes and the governments..

Popular?? I think not...

Ya'all make it sound like Obama and Democrats have absolutely no responsibility for the Nuclear Shellacking whatsoever.. That it was all just a series of C.A.R.E. isssues..

What can't you concede that thepossibility exists that the American people simply don't like what the Demcorats are pushing??

That explains things a lot more fully and rationally than a bunch of C.A.R.E. incidents...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:49:25 +0000

second, it exacerbated the image the public already have of democrats as timid and wavering.

You mean conniving and unscrupulous, looking out for Party first and Country last...

Regardless of all that, you simply cannot make the case that the Nuclear Shellacking experienced by Obama and the Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with the policies of Obama and the Democrats..

Obama himself said that each and every one of his policies is on the ballot..

Was Obama lying???

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:48:55 +0000

legalization and regulation are all quite popular among the public.

Again, legalization is quite popular. Amongst a very small group of Americans who enjoy getting high..

Regulation popular?? In Colorado, 70% of pot income goes to taxes for the government.. You call that popular??

another is that in crafting the legislation the democrats were uncertain about the impact and hedging their bets.

So, how can they claim the legislation is good for the country when they aren't even sure???

If they were just "hedging their bets" they would go on the record and show they BELIEVE in their own legislation..

If they have to "hedge their bets" then they don't even trust the outcome. Why should the American people trust them??

second, it exacerbated the image the public already have of democrats as timid and wavering.

You mean conniving and unscrupulous, looking out for Party first and Country last...

Regardless of all that, you simply cannot make the case that the Nuclear Shellacking experienced by Obama and the Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with the policies of Obama and the Democrats..

Obama himself said that each and every one of his policies is on the ballot..

Was Obama lying???

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:48:33 +0000

as CW and others have pointed out and provided evidence many times, the majority of the policies from ACA and immigration, minimum wage, legalization and regulation are all quite popular among the public.

the majority of the policies from ACA and immigration,

With the utmost respect.... Bullshit... :D

TrainWreckCare has NEVER, NOT ONCE, enjoyed majority approval...

If it's so popular, why are most of the provisions not in play until AFTER the election??

As far as amnesty for criminals?? Yea, the criminals LOVE the amnesty program.. The vast majority of Americans do not...

Amnesty for criminal immigrants ONLY helps the Democrat Party.. And does great harm to the American people.

As has been readily proven..

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:47:18 +0000

as CW and others have pointed out and provided evidence many times, the majority of the policies from ACA and immigration, minimum wage, legalization and regulation are all quite popular among the public.

the majority of the policies from ACA and immigration,

With the utmost respect.... Bullshit... :D

TrainWreckCare has NEVER, NOT ONCE, enjoyed majority approval...

If it's so popular, why are most of the provisions not in play until AFTER the election??

As far as amnesty for criminals?? Yea, the criminals LOVE the amnesty program.. The vast majority of Americans do not...

Amnesty for criminal immigrants ONLY helps the Democrat Party.. And does great harm to the American people.

As has been readily proven..

legalization and regulation are all quite popular among the public.

Again, legalization is quite popular. Amongst a very small group of Americans who enjoy getting high..

Regulation popular?? In Colorado, 70% of pot income goes to taxes for the government.. You call that popular??

another is that in crafting the legislation the democrats were uncertain about the impact and hedging their bets.

So, how can they claim the legislation is good for the country when they aren't even sure???

If they were just "hedging their bets" they would go on the record and show they BELIEVE in their own legislation..

If they have to "hedge their bets" then they don't even trust the outcome. Why should the American people trust them??

second, it exacerbated the image the public already have of democrats as timid and wavering.

You mean conniving and unscrupulous, looking out for Party first and Country last...

Regardless of all that, you simply cannot make the case that the Nuclear Shellacking experienced by Obama and the Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with the policies of Obama and the Democrats..

Obama himself said that each and every one of his policies is on the ballot..

Was Obama lying???

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:37:32 +0000

Based on the facts, Obama knows that those policies are not good for the country and that the American people are against those policies...

as CW and others have pointed out and provided evidence many times, the majority of the policies from ACA and immigration, minimum wage, legalization and regulation are all quite popular among the public. whether said policies are ultimately helpful or harmful (which is where you're jumping to) is a tougher question, but the overall popularity of the policies is not in doubt.

you've posited one possible conclusion that can be reached based on the facts you presented. another is that in crafting the legislation the democrats were uncertain about the impact and hedging their bets. it's just as simple an explanation, and much more in character.

in the near term i think that was successful because it built up excitement and anticipation rather than getting the public bogged down in details.

in the long term i think it did damage two ways: first of all, it created an anticlimax when the policies went into effect. second, it exacerbated the image the public already have of democrats as timid and wavering. voters got yet another dose of democrats being weak, regardless of the public's attitudes toward the policies, much less the true impact of those policies.

JL

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:52:45 +0000
Hiking the minimum wage won everywhere it was on the ballot, including four deep red states. Democrats, if they had had their act together, would have tried to nationalize this election on this one issue -- Democrats want a minimum wage increase, Republicans want to freeze it forever (or even abolish it). Oh bull-donkeys... Republicans are against hiking the minimum wage to obscene heights, paying people who flip burgers more than our military and more than our police officers.. If Democrats had been happy with a quarter or a 50cent hike in the minimum wage (as those ballot measures did), the GOP would have been happy to go along.. But Democrats were talking $10 per hour min wage or $20 per hour min wage and that's just ridiculous... Moronic and ridiculous... The other good news from ballot measures last night -- and another one that more Democrats need to get out in front of -- was on marijuana reform. Medical marijuana passed in Guam (one of the earliest stories of Election Night). It failed in Florida, but got almost 58 percent of the vote (Florida sets a higher bar of 60 percent for such a ballot measure to pass) -- which is still a clear majority. But the biggest news of the night is that America will now have four states where adults can legally purchase and recreationally use cannabis. Voters in Oregon and Alaska followed the lead of Colorado and Washington, and more states are almost guaranteed to follow in the 2016 election -- it's really only a question of how many will do so, at this point. I am going to let you have your marijuana dance.. :D Only because for family reasons, I am coming around to your way of thinking at least as far as medicinal marijuana goes.. Strictly from a PR standpoint, if they could "market" it by the actual components name, rather than marijuana, it would be a LOT easier for us law and order types to accept... I know, it's silly. But there it is... Now, I'm not doubting the good intentions of Mitch McConnell. Mind if I remind you of that over the coming 2 years?? :D Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:29:02 +0000
So, if a huge tsunami in FAVOR of Democrats is an affirmation of the Democrat Party and it's agenda, why isn't a huge tsunami in favor of Republicans a repudiation of the Democrat Party and it's agenda??? You got a choice.. Either the huge Great Republican Tsunami Of 2014 is an affirmation of the policies and agenda of the Republican Party or it's a repudiation of the policies and agenda of the Democratic Party... Take your pick... Personally, the facts and evidence overwhelmingly show it's a repudiation of Democrats, but if you want to claim it's an affirmation of Republicans.... "Yea... I can live with that.." -Keannu Reeves, THE REPLACEMENTS :D Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:02:36 +0000

Basically, you are telling me that the huge Nuclear Shellacking (PatentPending) that the Democrats received has absolutely no bearing on the policies of Obama and the Democrat Party.

I don't buy it... especially when there is no evidence to support such a claim and overwhelming evidence that refutes the claim..

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:55:42 +0000

Again, let me put it another way..

If the election had gone the same way it did except favoring Democrats as it favored Republicans, ya'all would be giddy with excitement and ya'all would take it as a total affirmation of Obama's policies...

True???

So, if a huge tsunami in FAVOR of Democrats is an affirmation of the Democrat Party and it's agenda, why isn't a huge tsunami in favor of Republicans a repudiation of the Democrat Party and it's agenda???

It seems logical that it would be, right??

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:39:28 +0000

i know i wasn't saying that. as CW has stated many times (and for which he has provided ample evidence), we have always been extremely divided. these divisions exist regardless of which way the electoral math happens to go on any particular occasion.

perhaps you, specifically wasn't saying that.

But that WAS the prevailing opinion amongst the entire Left and the vast majority of Weigantians who were here at the time.

Hell, even *I* was saying it, remember???

Obama elected is a "heady and exciting time to be an American"...

But the difference is I recognize the facts for what they are..

And, in this case, in the here and now, the facts CLEARLY show that Obama's policies are not wanted by the majority of Americans..

Obama himself said so...

in my view, you have your causes and effects reversed. i would hypothesize that obama's ratings have dropped BECAUSE he is seen as wavering and waffling.

We're not talking about Obama's poll numbers..

We're talking about the fact that Obama had to postpone policies and initiatives til AFTER the election to protect Democrats.. This is documented fact..

If those policies and initiatives are good for the country as ya'all claim, then they shouldn't have to be postponed and delayed until after people vote..

Based on the facts, Obama knows that those policies are not good for the country and that the American people are against those policies..

QED

If Colonel Jessup gave an order and his orders are always followed, then Santiago shouldn't have been in any danger. It shouldn't have been necessary to transfer him off the base.

The fact is, there was no transfer. Santiago wasn't going anywhere.. Lt Kendrick ordered the code red because that is what Colonel Jessup ordered Kendrick to do. And when it went bad, Jessup cut Dawson and Downey loose. He coerced the doctor and had Colonel Markinson sign the phoney transfer order.

The fact is, the American people are against amnesty for criminals and against TrainWreckCare and THAT is why Obama had to postpone and delay that and so much more until after people voted..

So, the American people overwhelmingly and decisively put Republicans in a position where they could stop Obama, thereby stopping the things that the American people are overwhelmingly against....

This is what the facts show..

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:01:34 +0000
In 2008, a huge wave swept Democrats into power.. None of ya'all had ANY problem believing that it was a "new era" that "America Had Become A Center Left" country, the the American people had "embraced liberalism and progressiveism with a vengeance".... i know i wasn't saying that. as CW has stated many times (and for which he has provided ample evidence), we have always been extremely divided. these divisions exist regardless of which way the electoral math happens to go on any particular occasion. The simple fact that Obama had to postpone, delay and obfuscate so SO many policies until after the people voted PROVES that even HE knows that the American people are against the agenda... in my view, you have your causes and effects reversed. i would hypothesize that obama's ratings have dropped BECAUSE he is seen as wavering and waffling. JL

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:40:51 +0000

Let me put it this way..

In 2008, a huge wave swept Democrats into power..

None of ya'all had ANY problem believing that it was a "new era" that "America Had Become A Center Left" country, the the American people had "embraced liberalism and progressiveism with a vengeance"....

So, why do ya'all have such a problem believing it when the opposite happens?? Especially when the wave that swept away Democrats is so much larger than the wave that swept them into power...

When the American people discard Democrats and turns right..

Why is it so hard to believe now that the American people have changed again??

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:03:57 +0000

So, it has nothing to do with the Democrat Party Agenda??

I don't buy it... If the agenda is all fired up right for this country, then Americans would overlook the character deficiency of the candidates.. Gods know we have done so many MANY times in the past..

Obama's election is a PERFECT example...

The simple fact that Obama had to postpone, delay and obfuscate so SO many policies until after the people voted PROVES that even HE knows that the American people are against the agenda..

It's like CW said with regards to a war vote... Democrats didn't want to go on record BEFORE the people had their say...

Just like Obama forced insurance companies to wait until after the election to post the health insurance rate hikes..

Just like Obama postponed his Amnesty for criminals program.

Just like Obama postponed many MANY components of TrainWreckCare.

Obama KNOWS that the American people don't want these things and so much more..

THAT is why he delayed things until after the election..

I saids it befores and I'll says it agains..

With the exception of national security or public safety, the will of the American people is priority one...

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:50:14 +0000
So, you believe that it's the messaging, not the message... it's neither the messaging nor the message. it's the candidates, plain and simple. republicans picked better candidates than before, and democratic candidates faltered. based on the success of lefty ballot initiatives (marijuana, minimum wage, business regulation) and the failure of righty ballot initiatives (personhood/abortion) both the message and the messaging are doing quite well. what's been remarkably unsuccessful for democrats is the same thing that's been unsuccessful for them for the past twenty-plus years. namely, they are malleable and often come off as phony or weak-spined. catching bin-laden insulated obama himself from that perception for awhile, but his job ratings are based essentially on the same problem. if a candidate appears weak, people will ignore both what they say and how they say it. JL

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:19:28 +0000

Al Sharpton says that this Mid Term Nuclear Shellacking was a defeat for the Clintons..

Obama is blameless...

It's all the Clinton's fault... Get that??? It's a "defeat for the Clintons"...

And ya know the funny thing.. Obamabots actually BELIEVE that!

They actually BELIEVE that it's not Obama's fault...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:13:42 +0000

If the situation were reversed, ya'all would be as giddy as schoolboys.. :D

"Who?? Attila The Professor?? He was never giddy, even when he was a schoolboy."
-Indiana Jones, THE LAST CRUSADE

:D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:56:20 +0000

Pizza!

Pizza!!

:D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:55:12 +0000

No, really. Voter turnout was at the lowest level since the 40's.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
-RUSH

A decision NOT to vote for your candidate is a de-facto vote for the other candidate..

I would not call that much of a mandate when the vast majority of Americans could not care enough to even vote...

Of course you wouldn't...

Because it is the GOP that is the beneficiary of lack of caring.. :D

But the people who DID speak, spoke overwhelmingly against the Democrat Party agenda..

This is fact...

Michale

Michale

By: BashiBazouk

BashiBazouk — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:49:17 +0000

Heh..."the people have spoken", eh?

You know what the people really said?

I don't care, stop fucking bothering me!

No, really. Voter turnout was at the lowest level since the 40's. In most states the turnout was in the 40% or lower range. In some cases in the twenties. Which means about, what? 21-22% on average support Republicans over 18-19% support Democrats. I would not call that much of a mandate when the vast majority of Americans could not care enough to even vote...

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:09:48 +0000

JFC,

The End is near. Civilization as we know it is in jeopardy.

You mean, civilization as you Democrats WANT it is in jeopardy...

Thank the gods for that!!! :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:11:20 +0000

I mean, let's face the facts people..

You can say that you do not LIKE the will of the people..

But you simply cannot deny that it IS the will of the people..

You cannot deny that the people HAVE spoken, loudly and unequivocally...

You may not like what they have to say..

But they DID say it...

That is indisputable..

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:57:09 +0000

What would it take for ya'all to concede that the American people do NOT want the Democrat Party agenda for this country??

I mean, if this Nuclear Shellacking doesn't convince ya'all, if the fact that Obama has to wait til AFTER elections to implement that agenda doesn't convince ya, what would?

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:51:21 +0000

CW,

Can you check the NNL filters..

Wordpress doesn't like me to prove that it's the Democrat Party who is the Party of The Rich..

That the Democrat Party ya'all believe in no longer exists..

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:50:32 +0000
It was the congressional Republicans - in the Bush and Obama administrations - who put their party ideology and their own ambitions ahead of what was in the best interests of the country. Really??? So, it was Republicans who pushed thru TrainWreckCare by hook or by crook?? It was Republicans who issued a "YA'ALL COME" to Mexicans and OTMs??? I have never seen such irresponsible behavior during such a perilous time for Americans and for the rest of us out in the world. Do the words "Red Line" mean anything??? The biggest crisis arguably that the Obama/Biden administration has had to deal with was the most destructive financial crisis since the Great Depression. Arguably... :D But things would be a LOT better if not for the bumbling and incompetence of the Democrats.. Remember "Shovel Ready"??? JL, the obama administration certainly played a part in bringing those righty voters back, but those voters have also been mobilized by a combination of amnesia about how poorly republicans ran things and new, more moderate-seeming republican candidates. So, you believe that it's the messaging, not the message.. Despite all the evidence to the contrary... Ask yourself something.. If the policies of the Democrat Party are so good for this country, why did Obama have to delay a buttload of them til after the election?? ... and now is a very good time to purchase How Democrats Can Take Back Congress ... at under $14,000.00, it's a veritable steal!!! hehehehehehehe Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:47:49 +0000
90% of the richest districts in the country are represented by Democrats.. Under Obama and the Democrats, the income of the top 10% in this has sky-rocketed while the incomes of the lower and middle class have plumented... The Democrat Party that ya'all believe in simply doesn't exist anymore.. It was the congressional Republicans - in the Bush and Obama administrations - who put their party ideology and their own ambitions ahead of what was in the best interests of the country. Really??? So, it was Republicans who pushed thru TrainWreckCare by hook or by crook?? It was Republicans who issued a "YA'ALL COME" to Mexicans and OTMs??? I have never seen such irresponsible behavior during such a perilous time for Americans and for the rest of us out in the world. Do the words "Red Line" mean anything??? The biggest crisis arguably that the Obama/Biden administration has had to deal with was the most destructive financial crisis since the Great Depression. Arguably... :D But things would be a LOT better if not for the bumbling and incompetence of the Democrats.. Remember "Shovel Ready"??? JL, the obama administration certainly played a part in bringing those righty voters back, but those voters have also been mobilized by a combination of amnesia about how poorly republicans ran things and new, more moderate-seeming republican candidates. So, you believe that it's the messaging, not the message.. Despite all the evidence to the contrary... Ask yourself something.. If the policies of the Democrat Party are so good for this country, why did Obama have to delay a buttload of them til after the election?? ... and now is a very good time to purchase How Democrats Can Take Back Congress ... at under $14,000.00, it's a veritable steal!!! hehehehehehehe Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:39:27 +0000

9 out of the 10 richest districts in the country are represented by Democrats..

While middle class incomes and poor class incomes have plummeted, the top 10% have gotten richer under Democrats...

Face the facts, people.

The Democrat Party that you believe in simply doesn't exist anymore...

Michale

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:20:08 +0000

... and now is a very good time to purchase How Democrats Can Take Back Congress ... at under $14,000.00, it's a veritable steal!!!

Heh.

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:16:33 +0000

Michale,

We should think of how we might increase circulation of that important book - perhaps tie it in somehow with the upcoming fund-raising drive?

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:15:59 +0000

liz,

there's a reason why CW sometimes refers to his "Most Impressive" award as the golden backbone.

michale,

the american people have been fed up with incompetence in our government for the last 14 years, and probably even longer than that. it's been our habit to blame whichever party seems more in-charge, but really it's a systemic problem. republicans in the aughts were so incompetent that many reliable republican voters stayed home for three straight elections.

the obama administration certainly played a part in bringing those righty voters back, but those voters have also been mobilized by a combination of amnesia about how poorly republicans ran things and new, more moderate-seeming republican candidates.

JL

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:15:07 +0000
Michale, What ya'all seem to be saying is that the American people overwhelmingly support the Democrat Party, but they are just too stoopid to know it.. I would never say that. Ahem. Isn't it possible that the people ARE capable of speaking for themselves and ARE aware of what their best interests are and don't need anyone to tell them what their best interests are?? Well, let's just stipulate that there is a lot of hard work to be done to increase that awareness, shall we? :)

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:11:07 +0000

Michale,

The biggest crisis arguably that the Obama/Biden administration has had to deal with was the most destructive financial crisis since the Great Depression.

It was the congressional Republicans - in the Bush and Obama administrations - who put their party ideology and their own ambitions ahead of what was in the best interests of the country. I have never seen such irresponsible behavior during such a perilous time for Americans and for the rest of us out in the world.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:08:54 +0000

In the same vein, and more instructional still, is Chris's How Democrats Can Take Back Congress. In fact, the essential elements of this invaluable book can form the basis for any serious effort to begin to change the dynamics of American politics and lead the way to a more functional democracy.

You have that book too!! :D It's a great read...

But here's the thing...

Democrats DID take back Congress using MANY of the ideas in CW's book...

But it did NOT lead to a more functional democracy.. It lead to a LESS FUNCTIONAL democracy..

What else would you call a Senate Democrat leadership who refused to bring legislation to the floor because it would make Democrats look bad..

That is about as NON-FUNCTIONAL as it gets...

"These facts are not in dispute, Mr President!!!"
-Klingon Ambassador, STAR TREK VI, THE FINAL FRONTIER

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:01:24 +0000
Thomas Frank's "What's the matter with Kansas?" is still pretty instructional on that point. The Right has played an outstanding long game, controlling message and media in the heartland. OR..... The American people are fed up with incompetence... Employing Occam's Razor, the latter is more likely of the two explanations... The Left, meanwhile, has waffled, fragmented and caved to any interest with money or media. Hmmmmmm Didn't ya'all describe the GOP in exactly the same way mere months ago??? What ya'all seem to be saying is that the American people overwhelmingly support the Democrat Party, but they are just too stoopid to know it.. Isn't it possible that the people ARE capable of speaking for themselves and ARE aware of what their best interests are and don't need anyone to tell them what their best interests are?? Isn't that slightly possible?? Michale

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:57:02 +0000

JL,

Yes, that book still sits on my shelf - have only just read bits and parts of it.

In the same vein, and more instructional still, is Chris's How Democrats Can Take Back Congress. In fact, the essential elements of this invaluable book can form the basis for any serious effort to begin to change the dynamics of American politics and lead the way to a more functional democracy.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:51:06 +0000

What you say would make a lot of sense if it were the Democrats who had been in the way and preventing progress.

But Democrats HAVE been in the way and preventing Congress..

The House passed HUNDREDS of bi-partisan bills that would have helped the American people, helped the middle class and helped the economy...

But Democrat so-called "leadership" in Congress refused to schedule those bills in the Senate to protect Democrats in the Senate.. And that worked out SO well, didn't it???

I am not saying anything that Democrats in Senate haven't said...

Unfortunately, people seem to have a hard time figuring out who and what the problem is.

No, the people responsible have an impossible time ADMITTING that they are part of the problem and not part of the solution..

But, I think this can be overcome. There are ways to make people see what is in their own best interests and what is not. Such a sea change won't happen overnight but, now is as good a time as ever to begin that process.

I couldn't agree more..

Now that we have political leadership that CAN be effective, NOW is an excellent time to begin the process...

Democrats had 6 years to turn this country around...

They blew it...

The American people now demand EFFECTIVE governing...

And THAT is why Republicans were voted in, in EVERY facet imaginable..

I mean, a GOP won as Illinois governor! As MARYLAND Governor.. GOP'ers won in bluest of the blue California...

How else can this be explained, except by an American electorate who is fed up with Party pushing their agenda at the expense of the country???

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:47:32 +0000

Liz,

Thomas Frank's "What's the matter with Kansas?" is still pretty instructional on that point. The Right has played an outstanding long game, controlling message and media in the heartland. The Left, meanwhile, has waffled, fragmented and caved to any interest with money or media. When it comes to ballot measures, people even in conservative strongholds overwhelmingly support policies that Dems say they support. however, people at the moment seem not to trust Dems to have the backbone to fight for the policies they say they want. A Dem vote may in fact be more likely to forward the policies that the people agree with, but the perception is more complicated.

JL

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:44:16 +0000

18-Year-Old Freshman Elected To W.Va. House Of Delegates, Becomes Youngest State Lawmaker In US
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/05/18-year-old-freshman-elected-to-w-va-house-of-delegates-becomes-youngest-state-lawmaker-in-us/

A double-whammy....

Democrats lost in youth AND gender... :D

Michale

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:39:36 +0000

... of course, Mopshell may well be beyond any semblance of hope in that regard ... :)

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:37:52 +0000

Michale,

What you say would make a lot of sense if it were the Democrats who had been in the way and preventing progress.

Unfortunately, people seem to have a hard time figuring out who and what the problem is.

But, I think this can be overcome. There are ways to make people see what is in their own best interests and what is not. Such a sea change won't happen overnight but, now is as good a time as ever to begin that process.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:32:15 +0000

And, that's just one issue. What about the mystery of why people who support any number of issues and initiatives in such large numbers would vote for politicians who do not share their views and who will act to oppose any progress toward implementing policies they support?

I think it has to do with the fact that people want things to get done... Even if things are done that they don't necessarily support, they still see it as progress...

Democrats have proven that they can't get things done, even when they have overwhelming majorities...

So, the American people decided to give the Republicans a chance to get things done, even if what gets done is not everything the American people support...

It's the old military axiom....

LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY

The American people just told the Democrat Party, in no uncertain terms, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY...

IMNSHO, it's really that simple...

Michale

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:51:07 +0000
Chris, Again -- four of those states are deep red states. Why Democrats don't make [raising the minimum wage] a bigger issue is a mystery. This should be Item Number One on the Democratic campaign agenda from now on, in fact. It's an issue which cuts across party lines and has overwhelming support from the public. One party champions it, one party fights it -- it's pretty easy to draw the contrast. Isn't it a bigger mystery why voters would support raising the minimum wage - by large margins - and then vote for Republicans who strongly oppose such a measure? And, that's just one issue. What about the mystery of why people who support any number of issues and initiatives in such large numbers would vote for politicians who do not share their views and who will act to oppose any progress toward implementing policies they support?

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:31:51 +0000

Mopshell,

There's a lot of talk among frightened Democrats of immigrating to other countries. Articles on where to get immigration information and which countries are most likely to accept US immigrants, are popping up everywhere. This will further reduce the number of Democratic votes in 2016. Not that it makes much difference. Very very few Democrats will be voting in 2016 anyway.

It's worse than you think...

Democrats have no A-List stars to field in 2016.. Grimes, Nunn, Davis, Michaud, Brown.... All were being positioned to be A-List stars to lead the election charge in 2016...

Add to this, the fact that Democrats recruiting drives are decimated by the challenges they face to ramp up talent in 2016...

It's likely that Democrats will not recover from the Nuclear Shellacking Of 2014 until the 2018 midterms, at the earliest...

No matter how one looks at it, no matter what silver-ish lining one tries to find, Democrats have been completely, utterly and unequivocally destroyed by the '14 mid-terms..

I would almost feel sorry for them if I didn't know that they brought it upon themselves...

One can only ignore the will of the people for so long before they rise up and take a huge chunk out of the ass...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:24:59 +0000

If Democrats don't take heed, even after the Nuclear Shellacking Of 2014, they will have no one to blame but themselves in 2016...

I like that...

Nuclear Shellacking

nuclearshellacking.com

I think I will register that domain and give it as a gift to Charles Krauthammer :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:20:17 +0000

I am also constrained to point out that Republicans gained 33 seats in the House in the election of 2012...

So, even then the people were telling Democrats to change their ways...

If Democrats don't take heed, even after the Nuclear Shellacking Of 2014, they will have no one to blame but themselves in 2016...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:16:18 +0000
Just remember that the GOP was utterly unconcerned with what the voters wanted when the votes were counted in 2008 and 2012 A LOT has changed since 2012.. Back then terrorists were "on the ropes".. Now, terrorists are thumbing their noses and cutting off American's heads... As far as 2008 goes, *I* voted Democrat in 2008... And Obama and the Democrats took my trust and my faith and squashed it utterly and completely.. But, unlike everyone, I voted Dem because I honestly thought they were good for the country, not due to ideological enslavement... Obama and Democrats have PROVEN beyond any doubt that they simply are incapable of competency in governing... Our Golfer-In-Chief has played more golf in 6 years than Tiger Woods has played his entire life.. Ya'all said it yourselves.. Democrats are not "effective" when it comes to governing, even with a clear and unequivocal majority in BOTH sides of Congress... Again, I am gabberflasted that ya'all seem to think that the problem is with the American people and NOT with ya'all's Democrats... When circumstances are CLEARLY showing that it's the wrong thing to do, STAY THE COURSE is stoopid and moronic... Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:55:50 +0000

Every plank of the Democrat Party platform lost this election..

Environmental candidates lost...

Gun Control candidates lost...

Hollywood's candidates lost...

Women deserted the Democrats and went GOP...

Black and Women and black women are GOP'ers are in Congress...

Now, seriously...

Do ya'all need a couple tons of bricks to fall on yer heads to stop and think, "Hmmmmmmm Maybe it's not our messaging... Maybe it's our message..."

What's the definition of insanity??

Trying the same thing over and over again, hoping for a different result...

Why not try something new, Democrats???

Why not try putting the country before your agenda??

It's just crazy enough to work...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:49:35 +0000

Two years ago, Republicans were threatening to move to Canada to escape The Socialism.

"Really!!! That's great!!! And, of course, you can PROVE that, right??? Oh yea, that's right. I forgot. You were absent the day they taught LAW at Law School."
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

:D
JFC, you have been wrong at every single turn...

But I admire a man who can ignore his past errors and still plug away with the same old tired and factually inaccurate BS..

It's uplifting in a sad and pathetic sort of way.. :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:45:17 +0000
This isn't gloating. This isn't bravado.. This isn't neener, neener neener.... OK, it's not ALL that.. :D But seriously, consider this... In 2010, the American people spoke loudly, telling the Democrat Party to change their ways. That the agenda was not what Americans want.. Democrats didn't listen.. In 2014, the American people said it even louder, more insistent, more "shellacky"... If Democrats ignore the American people again, how loud will the American people be in 2016??? Bush found out the folly of the STAY THE COURSE mentality... Apparently, Democrats didn't learn a damn thing from Bush's error.. Michale

By: John From Censornati

John From Censornati — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:35:42 +0000

Mopshell,

Two years ago, Republicans were threatening to move to Canada to escape The Socialism. Unfortunately, they're still here. Nothing much has really changed. The 1% will be well served regardless. Just remember that the GOP was utterly unconcerned with what the voters wanted when the votes were counted in 2008 and 2012. Obama should, and probably will, ignore their ISIS/Ebola "mandate".

Bienvenido a los Estados Unidos de América!

By: Mopshell

Mopshell — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:54:08 +0000

There's a lot of talk among frightened Democrats of immigrating to other countries. Articles on where to get immigration information and which countries are most likely to accept US immigrants, are popping up everywhere. This will further reduce the number of Democratic votes in 2016. Not that it makes much difference. Very very few Democrats will be voting in 2016 anyway.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:46:33 +0000

If anyone needs any help in figuring out what happened on Tuesday night....

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=42726

I mean, I shouldn't have to draw ya'all a picture, but.... There it is...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:46:33 +0000

If anyone needs any help in figuring out what happened on Tuesday night....

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=42726

I mean, I shouldn't have to draw ya'all a picture, but.... There it is...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:29:56 +0000

As usual, Krauthammer says it best..

"Obama played as the puzzled observer. He was asked about the meaning of the election, and he said 'I’ll leave to others the reading of tea leaves.'

Was this really a subtle result? Was this sort of complicated and nuanced? This was the worst wall-to-wall, national, unmistakable, unequivocal shellacking that you will ever see in a midterm election, and it happened on just about every level. You’ve got in the House the Republicans now have the largest majority since 1929.

In the Senate, the Democrats have lost seven, probably nine, and by huge margins, McConnell is supposed to be neck-and-neck, he won by 15 points, Arkansas 18 points. And then the — the one excuse the Democrats have is 'well this election was played on their home turf, on red turf.' Well, you know, Maryland, Massachusetts and Illinois are not exactly red states. All of them elected, shockingly, Republican governors. THE ECONOMIST called this a massacre and Obama says, 'I don’t read tea leaves'. And remember, what he said about the election. It’s about his policies, everywhere, every single one. Of course it was about him, of course it was his ideology and the execution of his leadership. This was a wall-to-wall rejection of Obama-ism and he pretended that this was an election that didn’t have a lot of meaning because two-thirds of the electorate didn’t show up.

The race I liked the most was the one in Maryland, where I live, where the Lt. Governor Anthony Brown was considered such a shoe-in, no one spoke about the Maryland race. No one. You didn’t hear a word, and the Republican, Larry Hogan, came out of nowhere. He won by 8 points. This tells you — the reason I like it, it shows the extent of this political event into the bluest of the blue, Maryland.

It wasn’t a tea leaf election. It was a nuclear explosion."
-Charles Krauthammer

This is what elections are for, people.. For the American people to tell our leaders what is what...

And the American people spoke loud and clear Tuesday. Louder and clearer than they spoke in 2010...

It's time for all Weigantians to admit what is blatantly obvious.

The American people have rejected the agenda of the Democrat Party.

This isn't gloating. This isn't bravado.. This isn't neener, neener neener....

This is simply stating a cold, hard, objective fact...

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:04:45 +0000

Obama Isn't Listening to Voters He Claims to Hear. 'I hear you,' the president says. But he doesn't.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/obama-isn-t-listening-to-voters-he-claims-to-hear-20141105

I asked this yesterday, but *thought* I was talking just to Obama..

But I guess I am talking to every Weigantian as well...

What part of "NO!!" don't ya'all understand???

It's over. Obama lost. Democrats lost.. The Obama Era is over.. The people have said so...

It's time for everyone on the Left to lick their wounds and accept the will of the American people..

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:58:48 +0000

Another silver lining: the Republicans did not take over the legislature in KY (they thought they would).

THAT's a silver lining?? :D

Well, who am I to begrudge you whatever allows you to get up in the morning.. :D

Michale

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:51:27 +0000

As Mopshell so eloquently put it yesterday...

"The People Have Spoken"

Why can't ya'all accept the fact that the American people do not want amnesty for immigrant criminals???

Don't want TrainWreckCare??

Is it that the American people are only important when they say what ya'all want to hear??

I mean, honestly? What do ya'all have to have happen before you realize that the Democrat Party agenda is not good for the country???

The American people have said so!

TWICE!!!

Michale

By: John From Censornati

John From Censornati — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 02:31:43 +0000

Additionally, Churchill Downs is finding out that payback is a bitch. CD is really more of a casino company these days than a race track company. They want a casino at the track, but the Republicans have blocked that here in KY. Inexplicably, CD created a PAC this year to help the GOP take over the KY legislature. Greg Stumbo made it clear that the Dems no longer have any enthusiasm for CD's pet project.

By: John From Censornati

John From Censornati — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 02:26:18 +0000

Another silver lining: the Republicans did not take over the legislature in KY (they thought they would). This was especially important to Rant Paul (R) because, in KY, your name can only appear on the ballot once. He had asked the legislature to change that law just for him and Greg Stumbo laughed at him. Now he has to go all in if he wants to run for president. He doesn't get to fake it like his daddy. I suspect that he'll choose gadfly over president.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:48:27 +0000

Joshua,

Forgive me but I still see Wolverine there!! :D

But, credit where credit is due...

You sir, are a man of honor..

CW,

President Obama has also painted himself into a corner on immigration, but he has already signaled today in his press conference that he will be moving forward on immigration reform by executive action alone, before the lame-duck period is over.

How many times do the American people have to say, "HELL NO!!" before the Left listens??

The American people DO NOT WANT THIS...

Why do you think they handed the Democrats their asses on a platter???

There comes a point in time when people of belief have to take a step back and say, "Maybe we should re-think this..."

Don't ya'all think that time has come???

Michale

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 00:30:42 +0000

as promised, michale:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6TTLKfkdI2WbFVjV1FGempyOXJycEhRVGZiYVhqU2NTelZv/view?usp=sharing