Comments on: Together And Apart http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/ Reality-based political commentary Sat, 02 May 2026 07:43:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52778 Michale Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:33:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52778 Looks like I have postponed organizing my shop for another day.. :D Michale Looks like I have postponed organizing my shop for another day.. :D

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52768 TheStig Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:06:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52768 A very wise Scot (and naturalized US citizen) once summed up his somewhat conflicted nationalist feelings to me: "An independent Scotland in a united Europe." (Bob) Dylanesque in its vagueness, but I think he meant Scotland as a unit in a federalized Europe. We'll know tomorrow, but the last poll says NO will carry the day. A very wise Scot (and naturalized US citizen) once summed up his somewhat conflicted nationalist feelings to me:

"An independent Scotland in a united Europe." (Bob) Dylanesque in its vagueness, but I think he meant Scotland as a unit in a federalized Europe.

We'll know tomorrow, but the last poll says NO will carry the day.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52764 Michale Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:24:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52764 <B>".... and you would be if you didn't harbor this morbid fascination with facing the end of the world."</B> -Morgan Freeman, OUTBREAK :D I like radical change... It makes life exciting... On the other hand, I am torn. A YES result will definitely weaken NATO, albeit (likely) temporarily. Beyond the superficial attraction of independence, I think that if Scots really consider the logistics of independence, the sheer magnitude of what it will entail, the NO vote will prevail... I mean, they will have to form their own military, land sea and air, their own police force, their own everything.. And they can bet that England will make it as hard as possible... To trivialize it in the extreme, it's the same feeling I have when I want to inventory and organize my shop.. http://sjfm.us/temp/shop4.jpg The sheer logistics of taking everything out and putting it all back in some semblance of order is a very daunting task. So much so that I keep finding any excuse NOT to do it.. :D Michale ".... and you would be if you didn't harbor this morbid fascination with facing the end of the world."
-Morgan Freeman, OUTBREAK

:D

I like radical change... It makes life exciting...

On the other hand, I am torn. A YES result will definitely weaken NATO, albeit (likely) temporarily.

Beyond the superficial attraction of independence, I think that if Scots really consider the logistics of independence, the sheer magnitude of what it will entail, the NO vote will prevail... I mean, they will have to form their own military, land sea and air, their own police force, their own everything.. And they can bet that England will make it as hard as possible...

To trivialize it in the extreme, it's the same feeling I have when I want to inventory and organize my shop..

http://sjfm.us/temp/shop4.jpg

The sheer logistics of taking everything out and putting it all back in some semblance of order is a very daunting task. So much so that I keep finding any excuse NOT to do it.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52762 Elizabeth Miller Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:32:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52762 Michale, I'm a little curious as to why you were hoping for a Yes vote ... my apologies if you have already explained. Michale,

I'm a little curious as to why you were hoping for a Yes vote ... my apologies if you have already explained.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52761 Elizabeth Miller Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:30:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52761 Given my experience with the on again off again ongoing constitutional crisis between Canada and Quebec, I'll be surprised if the Yes side wins. Having said that, Scotland is not Quebec and the dynamics between the UK and its constituent parts is not at all like the provinces, including Quebec, in Canada. The only real similarity may be that both Scotland and Quebec see themselves as a country. So, I think Scotland will vote for independence. And, all I can wish them is lots of luck. Given my experience with the on again off again ongoing constitutional crisis between Canada and Quebec, I'll be surprised if the Yes side wins.

Having said that, Scotland is not Quebec and the dynamics between the UK and its constituent parts is not at all like the provinces, including Quebec, in Canada. The only real similarity may be that both Scotland and Quebec see themselves as a country.

So, I think Scotland will vote for independence. And, all I can wish them is lots of luck.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52754 Michale Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:13:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52754 Anyone besides TS, I mean.. I was kinda hoping for a YES vote, but then I read up on what kind of government will likely be formed and realized that would be disastrous for Scots.. So, I am hoping that TS is right... :D Michale Anyone besides TS, I mean..

I was kinda hoping for a YES vote, but then I read up on what kind of government will likely be formed and realized that would be disastrous for Scots..

So, I am hoping that TS is right... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52753 Michale Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:56:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52753 Anyone want to go on record as to which way Scotland is going to go?? Michale Anyone want to go on record as to which way Scotland is going to go??

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52749 TheStig Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:04:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52749 It's why I have been depressed the last few days.. Wait a bit - they'll probably cycle a few times until election day. Toss ups are the most boring prediction - everybody looks as good as everybody else. It's why I have been depressed the last few days..

Wait a bit - they'll probably cycle a few times until election day.

Toss ups are the most boring prediction - everybody looks as good as everybody else.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52744 Michale Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:05:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52744 <I>While on the subject of polls and prognostication, the poll driven odds seem to moving back in the Blue direction, pretty much a toss up as of today.</I> I noticed that... It's why I have been depressed the last few days.. :^/ Michale While on the subject of polls and prognostication, the poll driven odds seem to moving back in the Blue direction, pretty much a toss up as of today.

I noticed that...

It's why I have been depressed the last few days.. :^/

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52743 TheStig Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:02:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52743 Although the polls look close, I'm predicting NO will win. The risks are going to loom bigger when it comes time to actually cast a ballot to separate these economically, and yes, culturally, conjoined twins. The upside benefits will look smaller. While on the subject of polls and prognostication, the poll driven odds seem to moving back in the Blue direction, pretty much a toss up as of today. Although the polls look close, I'm predicting NO will win. The risks are going to loom bigger when it comes time to actually cast a ballot to separate these economically, and yes, culturally, conjoined twins. The upside benefits will look smaller.

While on the subject of polls and prognostication, the poll driven odds seem to moving back in the Blue direction, pretty much a toss up as of today.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52740 Michale Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:34:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52740 Now THAT was funny!! :D Michale Now THAT was funny!! :D

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52739 TheStig Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:05:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52739 Groundskeeper Willie enters the debate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk Groundskeeper Willie enters the debate -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/09/16/together-and-apart/#comment-52732 Michale Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:40:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9660#comment-52732 <I> Ironically, one of the unanswered questions in the vote will be whether Scotland (should it choose independence) will be allowed to remain in the European Union or will have to reapply to be admitted as a new state (which could force them to use the Euro as currency, rather than sticking with the British pound). Will Scotland stay together within the E.U. while it declares itself apart from the U.K.?</I> It's my understanding that Scotland, as an independent country, will have to apply to membership in both NATO and the EU... <I>Other regions in France and in other large European countries may become emboldened to consider going it alone as well. There may indeed be a domino effect following Scottish independence, if it comes to pass.</I> Desires to secede are not limited to Europe.. Can anyone say "Texas"?? :D Great analysis of the issue, CW.. I have been following it closely due to it's ramifications for NATO and the Brit's nuclear deterrent. I read that, if Scotland secedes and takes Holy Loch, then England will likely dismantle it's entire nuclear forces.. It's going to be a big change, that much is certain.. I have also noticed that the BETTER TOGETHER campaign is really going overboard with the bribery, promising the world to Scots if they just vote NO... The indications of desperation does not bode well for the NO campaign... Michale Ironically, one of the unanswered questions in the vote will be whether Scotland (should it choose independence) will be allowed to remain in the European Union or will have to reapply to be admitted as a new state (which could force them to use the Euro as currency, rather than sticking with the British pound). Will Scotland stay together within the E.U. while it declares itself apart from the U.K.?

It's my understanding that Scotland, as an independent country, will have to apply to membership in both NATO and the EU...

Other regions in France and in other large European countries may become emboldened to consider going it alone as well. There may indeed be a domino effect following Scottish independence, if it comes to pass.

Desires to secede are not limited to Europe..

Can anyone say "Texas"??

:D

Great analysis of the issue, CW.. I have been following it closely due to it's ramifications for NATO and the Brit's nuclear deterrent. I read that, if Scotland secedes and takes Holy Loch, then England will likely dismantle it's entire nuclear forces..

It's going to be a big change, that much is certain..

I have also noticed that the BETTER TOGETHER campaign is really going overboard with the bribery, promising the world to Scots if they just vote NO...

The indications of desperation does not bode well for the NO campaign...

Michale

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