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I can't stand it when Michale is actually decent and forgiving so I have to make MORE disgusting personal attacks..

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So Israeli jews are terrorists because they disperse throughout Israel instead of concentrating in one spot so Hamas can try to kill them without hurting anyone else?!

WOW....

How you got there from what I said simply shows the depth of your illogic and irrationality..

Hayden was advocating dispersing amongst the population as an OFFENSIVE measure.. "Make sure as many people get gassed as possible, Make sure as many people as possible get blooded"

When Israelis disperse, they do so for DEFENSIVE purposes...

But I am not surprised you would be taking Hamas's position and side in the conflict...

Not at all...

I "confess" so if you provide proof your allegations are confirmed; and if you don't, since none exists, your allegations are confirmed!

If I link the proof that you stated CW made racist comments, will you acknowledge you were wrong and I was right.. That you did, in fact, claim that CW made racist comments.

yes or no??

It's a simply question..

But like always, your Coward Of The County persona simply won't allow you to acknowledge ANYONE that points out your errors and your mistakes..

Michale

"After the Chicago protests, the demonstrators were confident that the majority of Americans would side with them over what had happened in Chicago, especially because of police behavior. They were shocked to learn that controversy over the war in Vietnam overshadowed their cause.[13] Daley shared he had received 135,000 letters supporting his actions and only 5000 condemning them. Public opinion polls demonstrated that the majority of Americans supported the Mayor's tactics. It was often commented through the popular media that on that evening, America voted for Richard Nixon."

"You mean THAT 'police riot'..."

135,00 letters of support? Chicago population 7,000,000. 135,000 less than two percent. Friends and family of the 23,000 officers involved would get you more than 135,000!--And how do you get "the majority of Americans supported the Mayor's tactics." if "It was often commented through the popular media that on that evening, America voted for Richard Nixon."?

Like Michale, the author of this particular spin has a problem with the concept of "logical consistency."

"Sorry, fail... fail... IMPRESSIVELY fail... :D"

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"I apologize. I'm angry over this, not you.--"

"Well, it certainly proves that you can't be rational when discussing this topic.."

lol. Michale, I'm more rational in a towering rage on ANY topic than you would be, outdoors, in meditative trance, discussing whether its raining!

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"Tom Hayden, one of the leaders of Students for a Democratic Society, encouraged protesters to move out of the park to ensure that if they were to be tear gassed, the whole city would be tear gassed, and made sure that if blood were spilled in Chicago it would happen throughout the city."

"So, apparently, this Hayden scumbag was a terrorist as well... "

So Israeli jews are terrorists because they disperse throughout Israel instead of concentrating in one spot so Hamas can try to kill them without hurting anyone else?!

--An example of your calm, cool, rationality?!

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"The Chicago police riot

"August 28, 1968 came to be known as the day a 'police riot' took place. The title of 'police riot' came out of the Walker Report, which amassed a great deal of information and eyewitness accounts to determine what happened in Chicago.[20]

"At approximately 3:30 pm, a young boy lowered the American flag at a legal rally taking place at Grant Park. The demonstration was made up of 10,000 protesters.[10] The police broke through the crowd and began beating the boy, while the crowd pelted the police with food, rocks, and chunks of concrete.[23] Police fought with the protesters and vice versa..."

Only you, Michale, could be so dishonest, and lie so stupidly as cite a Wikipedia entry on 'The Chicago Police Riot' and then say "If that, indeed, did happen...?!"

According to the Congressional investigation, 'The Walker Report,' the millions who viewed it on live TV, and the tens of thousands, such as myself, who were present--it happened.

You have some evidence to the contrary?!

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"Apparently history (as espoused by WikiPedia) paints a different picture.."

No. It doesn't. You have reading comprehension issues.

[270]
"You don't accept my cop experiences.. Why should I accept your protest experiences?? :D"

Because my "protest experiences" are recollections of events I actually witnessed, that are documented, verifiable, and common knowledge.

Your "cop experiences" are a Great Kreskin routine where you prognosticate on events of which you have absolutely no first hand knowledge supposedly based on your "experience."

To be blunt, unlike you, Michale, I testify to events that I actually have knowledge of, and can prove."

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"You know what you have to do to see the proof.. I am not going to read thru 316 FTPs to find the evidence only to have you ignore it like you do everything else you don't want to address. :D

You agree to concede that I was right and you were wrong and I'll find the evidence..."

Heads you win. Tails I lose?

I "confess" so if you provide proof your allegations are confirmed; and if you don't, since none exists, your allegations are confirmed!

Another example of your rationality?--Or another example of your immaturity?--I outgrew that game by the time I was three years old.

Or more likely, his is non-existent, unlike mine..

You know what you have to do to see the proof.. I am not going to read thru 316 FTPs to find the evidence only to have you ignore it like you do everything else you don't want to address. :D

You agree to concede that I was right and you were wrong and I'll find the evidence...

Liz,

There is quite a lot about this that should compel people to work to change how police departments operate - from recruitment to training to enforcement and everything in between. Hopefully, the changes that need to be made will be made or at least the work toward that end will begin.

This pre-supposes that Officer Wilson did anything wrong..

There is no evidence of this.

Sometimes bad things happen. It's a fact of life..

Over-thinking the process and making changes where none are warranted is a fool's errand..

Further, there is no evidence that Ferguson PD's hiring practices are a problem.. If there is evidence that FPD has refused quality applicants based on skin-color then I would say a case can be made for making changes..

But no such evidence has been brought forth..

Making changes simply for the purpose of making changes is never a good idea..

I am glad we can end this on a positive note.. :D

Michale

Thanks for that, LD - I really appreciate it.

There is quite a lot about this that should compel people to work to change how police departments operate - from recruitment to training to enforcement and everything in between. Hopefully, the changes that need to be made will be made or at least the work toward that end will begin.

Maybe one of Chris's upcoming columns will focus on what has been learned from all of this and what could and should be done to improve the situation. But, not before he writes a piece on geopolitics in the Middle East. Heh.

"I have nowhere else to go! I have nowhere else to go!"
AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN

Yes. And, as you might imagine, I do a very good impression of Gere's face contortions and whining in that scene. Heh.

Maybe JFC's proof is in the mail with yours?!

Sidewalk Counselors!

Deanna Troi??

Can I assume from your silence that you have absolutely NO PROOF that I "several times" called you a nazi??

Michale

You don't accept my cop experiences.. Why should I accept your protest experiences?? :D

--Maybe I should straighten Wikipedia out if they've got it wrong?! What do you think? Lol

WikiPedia is open to updates and corrections..

If yer sure of your facts, go for it! I support ya to the hilt...

Amusing piece.--As I read I thought it might inform Michale on "what race has to do with Ferguson."

I'de be happy to entertain the idea that race had something to do with what happened between Wilson and Brown...

But to do so I would need evidence...

I don't just consider it because someone wants me to..

Just with with the Trayvon Martin shooting.. Race had nothing to do with the incident itself..

Racists in the black community had EVERYTHING to do with the aftermath..

Just like in Ferguson MO...

Michale

Amusing piece.--As I read I thought it might inform Michale on "what race has to do with Ferguson." (I know, then sanity reasserted itself.) Then I wondered if it was an Onion piece. After realizing it was a discussion of Robert's Court "opinions" I realized The Onion writers would be redundant.

Aside from the authors confusion and difficulty in trying to make sense of the opinion, (queue 'Mission Impossible theme) which should surprise no one, I couldn't help but wonder what would make any one who's up on current events believe SCOTUS would honor its word even if one could make sense of an "opinion?"

"After the Chicago protests, the demonstrators were confident that the majority of Americans would side with them over what had happened in Chicago, especially because of police behavior. They were shocked to learn that controversy over the war in Vietnam overshadowed their cause."

shows that even if police misconduct is flagrant, violent, massive, undisputed, and "caught in video" the "justice system" may still ignore it and try to cover it up.--And that's what it has to do with Ferguson.

As for Wikipedia... Unlike you I don't need Wikipedia to tell me what happened.--I was there.

--Maybe I should straighten Wikipedia out if they've got it wrong?! What do you think? Lol

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/08/ferguson_protesters_rebrand_yourselves_as_sidewalk_counselors.html

The CPD erroneously believed an overwhelming show of force would cow protesters into submission, instead it lost police any semblance of respect.--And that's what it has to do with Ferguson.

23,000 LEOs simultaneously assaulted citizens without cause proving police can be guilty of illegal behavior, and assault, just like anyone else.--And that's what it has to do with Ferguson.

A badge and a uniform does not automatically put you on the side of the angels, or the law. Citizens have every right to gather, to protest, to question police authority, and to fight back if assaulted by police.--And that's what it has to do with Ferguson.

It proves you can't just assume the Police were upholding the law, just assume the suspect was the aggressor, assume that whatever the police officer did he was lawfully enforcing the law.--And that's what it has to do with Ferguson.

Apparently history (as espoused by WikiPedia) paints a different picture..

But who am I to begrudge you your victories.. :D

Michale

The Vietnam War is what the Yippies were protesting. The spin was predictable. But the Yippies won, hands down!--I mean, "Hands Up--Don't shoot!"

If that, indeed, did happen then yes.. Those cops SHOULD have removed their badges because they were scumbags and didn't deserve to wear the uniform...

Happy?? :D

I know I am.. :D

Michale

So, apparently, this Hayden scumbag was a terrorist as well...

Color me surprised... :D

Michale

You mean THAT "police riot"...

Hardly qualifies... Nothing like the Ferguson MO rioting and looting..

Sorry, fail... fail... IMPRESSIVELY fail... :D

Michale

23,000 strong the CPD had been training for weeks to protect the DNC from protesters. They were expecting, and ready, to take on the Black Panthers, the Communists, and anybody else who might think that the could disrupt something in Richard J. Daley's town!--Unfortunately, they were not prepared for the Yippies.

The Yippies were a Hippie parody of a political party. They mocked the CPD to death. It was David and Goliath, and David kicked ass!..CPD had drilled for weeks. They were primed and ready. They were stoked! Word had gone through the black community grapevine to stay away from the DNC because the cops were looking to collect scalps!

I, of course, being at that time of the requisite age that practically requires stupid behavior was curious, and wanted to see what would happen....

The CPDs downfall began with Pigasus. The Yippies in the park across from the DNC staged their own nominating convention, drafted and nominated, Pigasus for President.--An actual live pig. Then the organizers and Pigasus took a victory lap. The "pigs" were not amused.

The leaders, and Pigusus! were arrested.

The Yippies were undeterred.--By the time they got to taking down an American flag to burn it, the CPD lost their collective minds!

They removed their badges and attacked anyone they could get. Protesters, reporters, convention delegates--anyone! And it was all captured live on nationwide TV!

CPD unleashed so much tear gas it formed a cloud a quarter mile long and ten stories high! People miles way were gassed. Humphrey, the Dem nominee, was gassed in his hotel room shower because the windows were open.--It. Was. Awesome!

Those Flower Children did what the Black Panthers and Communists couldn't. They broke the Daley machine in Chicago, destroyed the Democratic party, elected Nixon and ended Johnson's war, discredited the police and the government, prompted a Congressional inquiry and caused the term "police riot" to be coined.--They just totally humiliated the police and Mayor Daley.

They Democratic party still hasn't recovered. The Yippies are why Republicans have been so powerful since Nixon.

I will never forget the sight of that cloud of tear gas! And, now that I'm not running in terror! looking back, its hilarious!

Well, it certainly proves that you can't be rational when discussing this topic..

:D

Michale

No, YOU brought it up..

YOU provide the context...

But I have already answered..

If cops were rioting and looting in the same manner as the scumbags in Ferguson were rioting and looting then YES... They would be scumbags..

Notice how skin-color doesn't even enter into the equation??

THAT is how it should be for non-racists...

Michale

Google "police riot." That should have been obvious.

I apologize. I'm angry over this, not you.--Would never want you to go any further than the next thread!

Again--sorry...

I, unlike you, HAVE no racist bigotry... And you have offered NO FACTS to show other wise..

Further, you are on record as supporting scumbag criminals like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown...

This is documented fact..

So it is YOU who supports criminals, not I...

Michale

Could you give me an example??

But, just in the limited context of your question...

Yes.. If cops looted and rioted and assaulted people etc etc etc ala the type of crap we saw in Ferguson, then.. Yes..

They would be scumbags...

while the county prosecutor declining to prosecute Wilson is "Justice has prevailed..?"

In the same manner that Justice prevailed in the George Zimmerman trial..

If scumbag Corey hadn't sought to appease racists in the black community and had present the Zimmerman case to the Grand Jury as is the norm, then THAT Grand Jury would have decided NOT to indict just as THIS Grand Jury has done...

Justice has prevailed...

As I said, to me skin color is completely and utterly irrelevant...

But, since you (ALWAYS) bring it up, let me ask you..

In your world, is it possible for a white cop to shoot a black person and it be a good shoot and NOT be racism???

Is that even possible in your world???

You simply lie. Obsessively. Compulsively. Stupidly.
The grand jury has not declined to indict. They haven't even heard the case yet.

Actually they have.. And if there was ANY indication that the GJ would vote to indict, it would be announced to appease the racists in the black community..

The fact that the announcement won't be made til October is proof positive that the Grand Jury will not indict Officer Wilson..

Would you like to place a little wager??? :D

Michale

You simply lie. Obsessively. Compulsively. Stupidly.
The grand jury has not declined to indict. They haven't even heard the case yet.

Wilson has no legal authority to kill people who "are threats to his safety," as you well know. If he doesn't have to deploy Letha force to protect his own life, or the lives of others, he is not authorized to use lethal force.

Your careful wordplay in attempting to conceal the truth is clear evidence that you know that as well as I do.

Wilson gunning down Brown simply because Brown had or might physically assault him is murder.

When police riot are they "scumbags" too? Since you don't seem to think police breaking the law makes them "felons" to.

And just how is Obama "breaking the law" by exercising administrative discretion, prosecutorial discretion, by declining to prosecute illegal immigrants, while the county prosecutor declining to prosecute Wilson is "Justice has prevailed..?"

And how is a prosecutor declining to prosecute Wilson proof of innocence while Obama declining to prosecute immigrants has no affect at all on their legal status?

Finally, how does your inconsistency and hypocrisy not make you "biased?" Not leave you with "no credibility?"

How does your taking diametrically opposed positions when the subject is a white man than when he's a black man not make you racist?

If "being black has nothing to do with it" why do your inconsistent hypocritical positions "just happen" to always condemn the black and exonerate the white?

"You see my point?? Skin color is completely and utterly irrelevant..

It's only what the facts show that is relevant.." is total bullshit.

This comment thread has run it's course...

It was a good shoot. This is fact..

There is NO credible evidence to dispute that fact..

The Grand Jury has refused to indict..

These are the facts...

And they are indisputable...

Michale

Unless Brown was a threat to the safety of Wilson.

Which, from all the evidence, he was..

Using your reasoning, there wouldn't be any need for cops to carry guns because deadly force would never have to be used..

The law requires citizens to obey the lawful orders of police officers. If an order of not lawful citizens have every right to disobey.

Unless the citizens knows for an absolute fact that the order IS unlawful.

For example. If a police officer comes up to you and orders you to shoot YoYo in the head, yea.. It's a safe bet that THAT is not a lawful order..

On the other hand, if you had just committed a strong armed robbery at a convenience store and assaulted the clerk and a police officer orders you to FREEZE and put your hands on your head, then it's a safe bet that THAT is a lawful order...

Of the two, which situation more closely describes what happened in Ferguson MO???

Your, and Dutta's claim that citizens are required to obey any police order is not true.

That may be your opinion. But the facts are clearly different..

But hay, why don't you test that theory??

Go stand in the middle of a busy intersection and refuse to obey the cop's orders when they order you to get out of the street..

Report back to us what happens. :D

And you are arrogantly confident of your supreme superiority, as murderers, gang members, accomplices to murder who routinely violate the law, over the black and brown "scumbags" who are murderers, gang members, and routinely break the law.

But you are not. There is no difference. No difference at all between the unarmed blacks woo die at the hands of police every week and those who are killed in drive-by shootings or gangland executions. They're all murder. They're all illegal. They all must be prosecuted.

Again with all the skin color references..

I bet you have not made ONE COMMENT here in Weigantia that didn't reference skin color in one fashion or another.. :D

When are you going to learn that skin color is completely and utterly and unequivocally irrelevant to me??

Michale

Assuming Brown did assault Wilson the law requires Wilson to arrest Brown so that he can stand trial. Wilson has no authority to summarily execute Brown for assaulting a police officer.

The law requires citizens to obey the lawful orders of police officers. If an order of not lawful citizens have every right to disobey. If an officer unlawfully assaults a citizen the citizen has alegal right to defend themselves.

Your, and Dutta's claim that citizens are required to obey any police order is not true. Enforcing that unlawful belief is illegal and criminal. You and Dutta are supporting,defending, and promoting criminal behavior. You are not promoting the rule of law. You are accomplices to criminal behavior. You are participants in gang activity.

And you are arrogantly confident of your supreme superiority, as murderers, gang members, accomplices to murder who routinely violate the law, over the black and brown "scumbags" who are murderers, gang members, and routinely break the law.

But you are not. There is no difference. No difference at all between the unarmed blacks woo die at the hands of police every week and those who are killed in drive-by shootings or gangland executions. They're all murder. They're all illegal. They all must be prosecuted.

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Still working on that apology, JFC?? :D

I won't even bother asking you to concede you were wrong about that "chat bot" accusation..

Others have put that little piece of moronic-ness to rest.. :D

Michale

If the officer was in the line of duty and the young man was not right in everything he did – if he was belligerent over what he did in the convenience store and it carried on down the street – then that’s a different story.”
-Pastor Stoney Shaw, Ferguson MO

A man who gets it..

And it doesn't matter WHAT color his skin is...

He gets it.

You see my point?? Skin color is completely and utterly irrelevant..

It's only what the facts show that is relevant..

Michale

The next time a white cop shoots and kills a scumbag who happens to be black, ya'all are going to once again, ignore all the facts and immediately claim it was a racist incident and the scumbag was pure as the driven snow and the cop was a racist hell-bent on killing black people..

What a sad sad world ya'all inhabit. Where everything is about race and character is a non-existent vector or parameter...

Sad...

Michale

OK, it's official...

There will be no indictment of Officer Wilson..

Justice has prevailed..

Everyone can go home now...

:D

Michale

Why do you refuse to answer these questions??

1. Would you care about this issue if Michael Brown had been white?

2. Why should anyone listen to you about Michael Brown when you were so dead on ballz wrong about Trayvon Martin?

3. How can I be racist when I think OJ Simpson is not guilty???

Michale

When you're on the same side of an issue as the KKK, you're a racist.

OK... OK... If you want to go that route..

So when you and all the Democrats are on the same side of an issue as Al Qaeda, then that makes ya'all terrorists..

Do you REALLY want to go that route???

Like dynamiting fish in a barrel...

:D

LD,

You think the media is packing up because of an unconfirmed rumor on social media of an unconfirmed rumor on social media of an unconfirmed rumor on social media that Wilson is innocent?! And that proves that you are right!

No, the media is packing up because the overwhelming FACTS are showing that Michael Brown is the same kind of punk thug scumbag that Trayvon Martin was..

And THAT's what proves me right and ya'all wrong.. :D

You lost, LD.. Admit it gracefully and with maturity and move on...

Liz,

When will "comments" FINALLY be closed on this thoroughly useless thread, may I ask?

"Those who hate and fight must stop it themselves or it is never really stopped."
-Spock, STAR TREK, Day Of The Dove

:D

YoYo,

Ehh, we all knew this was going to get ugly. Nothing gives Michale a fascism boner quicker than thuggish cops killing people.

Facist??? Is that like 'nazi'???

Godwin!! Yer out... :D

Liz,

"I have nowhere else to go! I have nowhere else to go!"

AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN

:D

YoYo,

Come on lew, don't attack liz,

LD attacks ANYONE who disagrees with him. Doesn't matter if it's me, Liz or even CW...

As far as the cop's quote, let me break it down for your ignorant asses...

It doesn't matter if one is black or white or red or green or purple..

If a cop gives you a lawful order, you obey it..

THEN you haul his ass before IA and make your case...

Being BLACK has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything..

Except in the minds of racists..

THAT is the point that ya'all constantly miss...

This IS a post-racist country..

Ya'all simply refuse to accept it. Ya'all want the good old days of the 60s....

Ain't gonna happen..

Michale

"I have nowhere else to go! I have nowhere else to go!"

:-)

Yeh, Dutta's remarks have raised some eyebrows. Don't know why, its what most cops are trained to believe. It's what Black folk have always been complaining about. If you presume to act as if you have rights, as if LEOs are bound by the law, the majority of LEOs devoutly believe that they, at their discretion, have the right to assault you, to punish you, for faring to pretend to be their equal. They have guns. They have tasers. No matter what the law may say they can do whatever the feel like doing.

The law is for citizens, not cops. Citizens who violate the law are criminals, not cops who violate the law.

That's the corruption, the abuse of power, the presumed right to violate the law, that comes of a total absence of any accountability.

I know she can be irksome and wrong, but a reaction of disgust isn't exactly unsound. This is an ugly topic, and these situations bring out the worst aspects of the conservative mindset.

Grow up. If you don't want to read comments, if you think they've no value--stop reading. No one appointed you to decide what others should discuss. If you're so concerned about the integrity of the site, go be a prima donna somewhere else. No one here, least of all me, must answer to you.

Not that the headline is actually true mind you.

See much resistance in that video?

Everything that's wrong with American policing in one headline.

Unfortunately, the number of comments on threads around here these days is directly proportional to what amounts to a total degeneration of the discussion.

I expect much, much more from CW.com.

Do you, Lew Dan?

I prefer the latter.

If you don't want to view them, don't view them. Asking speech be shut off because you don't want to hear it is offensive.

You think the media is packing up because of an unconfirmed rumor on social media of an unconfirmed rumor on social media of an unconfirmed rumor on social media that Wilson is innocent?! And that proves that you are right!

As I've said--repeatedly, chronic serial liar.

When you're on the same side of an issue as the KKK, you're a racist.

Once again....

Michale: DEAD ON BALLZ ACCURATE

Everyone Else Screaming "RACISM!!!!": EPIC FAIL

It's Trayvon Martin all over again...

Yea, I know, I know.. I should be the adult and not gloat..

But, with all the abuse I have endured since last Friday??

Dammit, I've EARNED the right to gloat...

"Arrogant!?? OF COURSE I'm arrogant! I've EARNED it!!"
-Q

:D

That about sums things up perfectly...

Michale

Except, of course, when you make false accusations and personal attacks.. :D

Michale

Dad was always rather proud of having talked Dr. King out of marching in Chicago do to concerns over violence. The Democratic National Convention Chicago hosted a few years later made dad's concern seem prescient. I always thought that he had every right to be proud. As I've always been proud of him.

As I say, unlike you, I don't say things I know to be untrue.

No, it is your OPINION that I am a racist..

It's an opinion borne, not of facts, but of your own skin-color centric existence..

Michael Brown will never see nineteen years of age.

He will also never victimize, bully or attack anyone..

That's why this world is better without him in it..

He is not some scumbag the world is better off without to me.

I know. Because ALL you see is a person with black skin...

He's a mothers son, who should not have died.-

So was Jeffery Dahlmer.. ANOTHER scumbag who this world is better off without..

"Jeffery, I don't like your friends."
"Fine, mom... Just eat the vegetables, then.."

:D

-And I've known and buried far too many Michael Browns in my life.

Were they scumbags who hurt, assaulted, bullied and victimized innocent people???

If not, then I am sorry for your loss..

If they are, then the world is better off without them too...

Here's the entire issue in a nutshell, Dan..

If I call President Obama an incompetent moron, it's not because he is black, it's because I think he is an incompetent moron and have facts to back it up.

If I call Governor Jay Nixon a scumbag, it's not because he is white, it's because I think he is a scumbag and I have facts to back it up.

If I call Michael Brown a scumbag it's not because he is black but rather because he has assaulted and bullied and victimized innocent people...

The color of the person's skin has absolutely NO MEANING or RELEVANCE to me...

Your problem is that, to you the color of the skin is ALL the relevance..

That's why you can't see past it... That's why you refuse to answer if you would give two shits if Brown had been white. That's why you refuse to answer why you were so wrong on the Trayvon Martin issue.. That's why you can't answer how I could be racist and think OJ was innocent...

Feel free to argue the point more...

It won't change two simple facts..

1. I care NOTHING about the color of one's skin. Like Martin Luther King Jr, the character of the person is my SOLE guide.

2. You can't see ANYTHING past the color of someone's skin...

Michale

For some reason you believe that I know you are not racist.

Let me be clear: I genuinely know that you are racist. The dozens of examples that I've been pointing out, for months, are not partisan personal attacks. They are not hyperbole. They are not straw-men. They are explicit examples of racism which have informed my sincere belief that you are a racist bigot.

As I said, unlike you I am an honest man. I'm not trolling. I don't say things that I know to be untrue. I'm not attacking your character. I consider racism to be a product of ignorance, not poor character.

But your racist hate speech is not just political speech. The prejudice and bigotry you espouse hurts people. Its a real problem in America. It does real damage to real people.

You have every right to speak your opinion. You do not have a right to speak with impunity. You do not have a right to speak without consequence. You do not have a right to incite fear and hatred. You do not have a right to promote lawlessness. You do not have a right to speech that harms others.

Do not mistake me. I am dead serious. Don't think for a second that I know you're not racist. I know nothing of the kind.--What I know is that you are, beyond doubt, a racist bigot. And emblematic of a huge and deadly dangerous problem in America. This isn't about scoring some kind of points in a political debate. This is a life and death issue. Ee aren't "playing the race card" as you're always so quick to claim. We're talking about actual threats to our lives and freedom

Michael Brown will never see nineteen years of age. He is not some scumbag the world is better off without to me. He's a mothers son, who should not have died.--And I've known and buried far too many Michael Browns in my life.

You may delude yourself that a community of thousands of blacks went up in flamed because they're racist or just want an excuse to loot, but I'm telling you the anger is real. The fear is real. The outrage is real. And just about every black in America feels it, and understands it.--And your cavalier indifference to our genuine outrage is yet another proof of your very real racism.

We too are Americans. We are entitled to the same protection under the law as white people. Police are empowered to enforce the law. Only lawful commands must be obeyed. Lethal force is justified only in defense of lives. Police have no right to kill because of noncompliance. Police have no right to kill because they've been assaulted. Police have no right to kill to stop a suspect from fleeing. And police have no right to kill because they're angry at being disrespected.

Any officer who does is a criminal. Any officer who protects, harbors, or covers-up for an officer who does is a criminal. Any officer who does any of those things is far more dangerous than any unarmed shoplifting jaywalker who assaults an officer.--And far more criminal.

You are not colorblind. You are indifferent. But you are far from indifferent about everyone. You are hypocritical. You are prejudiced. You are a proponent of racial stereotypes and hate speech. And that makes you a racist. That makes you a very real danger. That makes you a very real threat to the lives of others.

Do not ever think that I know you are not racist. That's one self-delusion I suggest you abandon immediately. You are indeed very much a racist.

This isn't some meaningless political debate. My life, my family's life, the lives of those I care about are at stake. I, and we as black people, do not take racism lightly. Whatever Fox News may have told you. This is about our lives. Its about our very survival. That's why Michael Brown matters a great deal to us. Even if it turns out that he did assault Officer Wilson. He should not have been killed. His life does matter. Police are not empowered to execute anyone, under any circumstances. They are not above the law. Peoples lives are not insignificant.

You have nothing..

No logic, no facts, no nothing...

It just KILLS you that MLK would be on my side in this debate...

And let me again, ask the three questions you simply cannot answer..

If I think OJ is innocent, how can I be racist??

Would you give a shit about Michael Brown if he were white??

Why should anyone believe what you say now when you were 1000% dead on ballz WRONG over the Trayvon Martin shooting??

Michale

Every one of your comments that mention race..

Wrong! That's not racist. That's insane. That's sociopathic. That's a callous indifference to the lives of others.

Yea??? Yet, you have NO PROBLEM with them looting and destroying and hurting other people..

I am seeing a pattern..

Well, at least you admit that I am not racist.. :D

Michale: Chronic serial liar.--And quite possibly clinically insane.

I understand that you have no rational or logical response and must therefore resort to childish name-calling and immature personal attacks..

I accept your concession of my superior argument..

Michale

"Hell, the ONLY time I bring up race at all is in response to ludicrous, ignorant and self-serving claims from people like you and Kev and YoYo that everything is about race..."

Michale [178]
"Only after uber racist Crump met with Baden, did Baden change his story.."

Precisely what "ludicrous, ignorant and self-serving claims" were you responding to?

Michale [170],
"I know you'll try to make this into a racist statement, but I say the same thing when a bunch of white college kids tear up a neighborhood after their sports team gets their asses kicked.

Those 'people' are uncivilized animals as well and should be shot..."

Wrong! That's not racist. That's insane. That's sociopathic. That's a callous indifference to the lives of others.

If you're really sure of the inappropriateness of being labeled racist I can be persuaded, in the interest of truth and accuracy, to adjust my position.

Michale: Chronic serial liar.--And quite possibly clinically insane.

--You see, Michale, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you're merely racist. But you've convinced me that I was in error.

Maybe in your little world, it is.. Everything you say, everything you do is governed by the color of one's skin..

My world, the kind of world that Dr Martin Luther King envisioned, is that skin color is completely and utterly irrelevant...

Hell, the ONLY time I bring up race at all is in response to ludicrous, ignorant and self-serving claims from people like you and Kev and YoYo that everything is about race...

You can't see anything but skin color.

Michale

Despite ALL the evidence to the contrary.. :D

Also, unlike you, I don't say things that I know to be untrue.

You call me racist which you know to be untrue and you haven't backed up with one single fact..

So much for your claims, eh? :D

Michale

"I disagree with you..

And you react (verbally) violently and assault and attack me with name calling. Name calling that you KNOW not to be true... You get emotional and you attack people whose ONLY "crime" is disagreeing with you..."

You keep posting horseshit like that and I will have to revisit the adjectives I use to describe you. Comments like 178, 179, and 206 cause me to seriously doubt your sanity.

Unlike you Michale, I am an honest person. Also, unlike you, I don't say things that I know to be untrue.

You have a link???

And an apology for accusing me of calling you a nazi??

Michale

Would a racist think OJ's innocent???

Betcha this is another one of those questions you refuse to answer because it totally negates your BS claims...

Michale

It has EVERYTHING to do with obeying the law and not attacking and assaulting anyone who disagrees with you...

You exemplify this exact attitude here on CW.COM..

I disagree with you..

And you react (verbally) violently and assault and attack me with name calling. Name calling that you KNOW not to be true... You get emotional and you attack people whose ONLY "crime" is disagreeing with you...

If we were face to face and having this discussion, you would likely physically assault me.. You would EXEMPLIFY and employ the exact thuggish behavior that you ignore in the likes of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown..

SOLELY AND COMPLETELY because I disagree with you..

As I said.. YOU and people like you are part of the problem..

NOT part of the solution..

Michale

It makes more sense now why Ferguson PD waited a week to release the identity of the officer involved in the shooting.

According to LEO statements, Brown had beaten Officer Wilson severely causing major damage to the side of Wilson's face. So brutal that it had exploded the bones around Wilson's eye socket..

Given this fact, it makes sense that the could not get Wilson and Wilson's family to safety right aways. The needed that time to make sure Wilson was well enough to be moved to a safe house..

As I indicated above there had to be logical and rational reasons why Ferguson PD waited to release the name.

Now we know what those reasons are..

Michale

As usual, you miss the point because you can't see past the color of the skin..

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being subservient at all..

It has EVERYTHING to do with obeying the law and not attacking and assaulting anyone who disagrees with you...

It has to do with CHARACTER...

Like I said... Dr Martin Luther King would be VERY disappointed in you and how you excuse, condone and accept the thuggish behavior that preceded Michael Brown's interaction with LEOs.

MLK would be ashamed of you that you would excuse and condone the victimization of that diminutive little shop keeper that Michael Brown bullied and terrified...

Juan Williams called it dead on balls accurate..

People like you REFUSE to accept that the, in 99% of the cases, it's the thuggish behavior of the scumbags that cause the problems, NOT the reactions of the police to that thuggish behavior..

By not holding the scumbags accountable, you are in violation of EVERYTHING that Dr Martin Luther King stood for...

MLK had hoped that the black community would exemplify the likes of Herman King or Condeleeza Rice or Clarence Thomas...

Instead, YOU push the black community to exemplify racists like Al Sharpton, Ben Crump, Jesse Jackson, Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown..

YOU, and people that think like you, LD are part of the problem...

NOT part of the solution...

Until you and the black community realize this, it's going to happen time and time again..

Because, in CIVILIZED societies, it's the rule of law that wins out. NOT the rule of violence and thuggery...

Michale

Not going to address the fact that you were completely and utterly wrong about the Trayvon Martin shooting and I was right..

I guess I have my answers... :D

The Brown shooting is going to be the same..

The Grand Jury MIGHT vote to go to trial, but they will do so SOLELY to appease the black community, just like Angela Corey did with Zimmerman..

IF it goes to trial, Wilson will be found innocent, like Zimmerman was...

But I doubt the Grand Jury will vote to charge Wilson. If they did, you would see MASSIVE amounts of Blue Flu all over the country..

Michale

Congratulations! You're the only white person in America who thinks O.J. Simpson is innocent.--Good to know....

I just go where the facts take me..

As always..

What other communities are suffering "thugish behavior" other than Black, Hispanic, and Latin?!

Uhhhh... College communities, as I have pointed out time and time again..

...That's why its about racism. When white communities have police routinely presenting "thugish behavior" we'll have equal opportunity thugishness!--And it will no longer be about racism.

It's not the COPs that are presenting thuggish behavior.

It's the uncivilized elements within the communities..

THAT's the point you refuse to accept..

It's not the cops that are the problem, as evidenced by YoYo's insistence that it was the Ferguson PD/County SO that was "causing" the riots and the looting...

It's the people....

"Idjut"
-Bobby Singer, SUPERNATURAL

:D

Michale

Just wanted to make it an even century for your reading pleasure!

...Oops! Damn! Now we'll have to start over!

Good piece! I'd add three points. One, I've seen this movie before. Blacks have been complaining about the way we're policed for about a century. Nobody believes us because complaint of racism obviously means you're racist! You therefore have no credibility.

The last time it wound up on TV white folk were "outraged" and "shocked," the national guard wad called out, the President ordered the F.B.I. to do their damn jobs! And things were better.--'Til they left.--Problem solved! Welcome to "post-racial" America!

And anybody who says different is obviously racist with zero credibility.... Now it's on TV once again. America is "outraged" and "shocked"--again.--That's American racism.

Two, Ferguson PD tried to quell unrest by terrorizing the community. A "show of force" that would make it clear that a LOT of people could be killed if everyone didn't stay in their place, weren't sufficiently subservient to police.

Apparently, no one told Ferguson PD that instilling fear causes a "fight or flight" response.--Their terror campaign came up snake-eyes, and they got "fight" instead of "flight."

Third, for some reason I can't even begin to fathom! white folk don't seem to realize what sort of reaction they get from twenty-first century black Americans when they tell them if they don't want to be beaten, tased, or shot, all they have to do is be subservient enough. This country too will run out of body bags before they can make that happen again by threatening us with personal assault and murder again.

What other communities are suffering "thugish behavior" other than Black, Hispanic, and Latin?!

...That's why its about racism. When white communities have police routinely presenting "thugish behavior" we'll have equal opportunity thugishness!--And it will no longer be about racism.

But as long as we're being "not profiled" and "just happen" to be stopped and arrested twice as often as whites; as long as we're still getting longer sentences and are prosecuted and incarcerated at twice the rate of whites, as long as we're being killed unarmed "in self defense" twice as often as whites--it's about racism.

Congratulations! You're the only white person in America who thinks O.J. Simpson is innocent.--Good to know....

160?!

I thought you were talking about the cop!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1315081/-A-Cops-take-on-Ferguson?detail=email

Couldn't have said it better myself...

Let the false accusations of racism commence!!

Michale

It's a well known winger tactic of trying to intimidate opponents into silence..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

But ya'all should know me well enough to know that I don't intimidate...

So, you might as well give it up..

You have NO FACTS to support your accusations... It is nothing but utter bullshit.. Like JFC's bullshit that I called him a nazi...

Give it up, kiddies...

Ya'all ain't gonna silence me... :D

Michale

For the record, "legal murder" is an oxymoron..

If it's legal, it ain't murder...

I am surprised I have to explain this stuff...

Maybe you should leave Law Enforcement to the professionals..

Michale

Take a gander at comment #160...

Should answer your "racist" personal attack perfectly...

I understand you won't accept it though..

You never accept any facts that prove your delusions are just that..

Delusions.. Fantasies.. Not Reality...

Michale

And Michale - you're racist because you constantly refer to all the citizens as scumbags,

That is simply not true..

I only refer to the scumbags as scumbags..

Even if what you say is true, I wasn't aware that "scumbag" is a racial slur...

When did this happen???

while refusing to provide proof every time you're asked for it.

I provided proof..

Video tape evidence of Michael Brown's scumbagedness...

You just refuse to accept the proof because it PROVES you wrong...

I still seem to have missed Brown's record confirming your opinion of him being a menace to society.

Provided... Ask the shop keeper that Brown robbed and assaulted..

Your glee at Trayvon Martin's legal murder only confirms your racism.

Not at all. Martin was another thug and scumbag... My "glee" is that he is not alive to victimize anyone any longer..

No evidence of racism whatsoever..

What do YOU think the authorities should do about Bundy, surely they're "scumbags" too.

Ted Bundy or Al Bundy???

If any of those Bundys assaulted innocent people and assaulted cops and beat them severely.. then.. Yes.. They are scumbags too..

Do you have a point??

Or are you just ignoring me again, Kev?? :D

Michale

Good one :)
And Michale - you're racist because you constantly refer to all the citizens as scumbags, while refusing to provide proof every time you're asked for it...and you seem oblivious to LewDan's sarcasm...he was mocking your use of your favorite epithet. I still seem to have missed Brown's record confirming your opinion of him being a menace to society. Your glee at Trayvon Martin's legal murder only confirms your racism. What do YOU think the authorities should do about Bundy, surely they're "scumbags" too.

Yea, have the looters and assorted scumbags take up arms against LEOs...

THAT's the smart call... :D

Michale

When there's no future, how can there be sin? - Johnny Rotten

You always ignore what you can't respond to...

Michale

Would you care about Michael Brown if he were white??

What makes you so right about Michael Brown when you were so wrong about Trayvon Martin??

You had NO FACTS back then either.. And when the story came out you were flat out dead on ballz wrong...

So, why should anyone believe you now??

Especially when, once again, you have absolutely NO FACTS whatsoever...

Michale

Wow...

You can't even keep your own personal attacks straight.. :D

For the record, it's SCUMBAG and I only use it for scumbag and cowards who strong arm rob a guy half his size...

Michale

As for being called "none to bright, racist, bigoted, chronic serial liar," those are accurate adjectives.

If you consider them "personal attacks" I suggest behavioral modification.--Yours.

"Slumbag" is a personal attack?! I thought it was just an colloquial honorific, since you use it in referring to everyone else.

Thanks for the update!--Now all I need us to know where it says "Michale is authorized to make personal attacks but cannot be referred to in kind."

'Cause that's just SO rude!

I'd've suggested you stop calling others "scumbag." But maybe you can make whining about being picked work for you.

And *I* am the one that get's called on
personal attacks.. :D

Go figger... :D

Michale

Looks like we can start with the scumbag protesters in Ferguson MO who carry ISIS signs...

Michale

TRANSLATION:
I have no logical or rational argument to make so I am just going to resort to childish name-calling and immature personal attacks

I accept your concession, LD...

But I have to be honest and say I am, like Dr Martin Luther King would be, very disappointed in you...

I thought you were better than this...

Apparently, I was wrong..

Apparently, acting like a racist maniac is more important than logic, facts or rational discourse...

Michale

Only after uber racist Crump met with Baden, did Baden change his story..

Further, Baden's credibility is SEVERLY questionable because he was hired by the Brown family..

Baden is going to dance to the tune that uber racist Crump/Sharpton/Jackson want him to dance to..

Do you have any RELIABLE evidence??

No??

Didn't think so...

Like I said, LD... You were completely and utterly wrong re: Trayvon Martin and I was right..

How are things different this time??

You have NO facts and unreliable evidence..

Sounds like Trayvon Martin redux...

Also, why do you refuse to answer the question??

Would you give a rat's ass about Michael Brown if he was white???

Michale