Why didn't the pregnant lady cross the road??

Because The Messiah was due to drive by in the next few hours....

Michale

It's a DEMOCRAT WAR ON WOMEN I tell ya!!!! :D

Too bad this woman was actually an American... If she had been an illegal immigrant, she would have had a Secret Service escort to the hospital and all her medical bills paid for, courtesy of American taxpayers....

Michale

Ya'all rail against the money influence in politics..

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/barack-obama-locks-out-the-press-again-109316.html

Yet, ya'all are COMPLETELY silent when it's YOUR guys and gals who gets their hands caught in the SUPER PAC cookie jars....

Why is that???

This is why it's hard not to laugh when ya'all get so self-righteous about Republicans being bought by Corporate entities..

Yer Democrats are JUST as bought and you don't say squat about it...

Michale

Outta Mai Ass? :) Seriously

The same expert that said "most people are better off under the ACA"... :D

I proved that wrong in comment #87... :D

Michale

Yea???

GAO Launched an Obamacare Sting Operation—and Almost All Fake Insurance Applications Were Approved
http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/the-gao-launched-an-obamacare-sting-operation-and-almost-all-fake-insurance-applications-were-approved-20140723

Like everything else TrainWreckCare does... It sucks...

What subsidies issue? Helping needy people pay for health care?

No, violating the law... Ya know, the law?? That thing that is so sacrosanct when it suits the Democrats agenda???

Michale

According to which economic expert?

Outta Mai Ass? :) Seriously though. I don't think even the most conservative hack of conservative hack economists would make this claim.

And capping wrongful injury/death cases would simply incentivize shittier care.

Eliminate Waste & Fraud

Obamacare makes sure 80% of healthcare spending goes for patient care. That sure sounds like eliminating waste and fraud to me.

Now I know. We could have done much better under single payer. It's too bad so many people in our country hate self-rule.

What subsidies issue? Helping needy people pay for health care?

-David

Michale

I *HAVE* talked about specific plans..

Eliminate Waste & Fraud

Tort Reform..

Those two things alone will more than HALF the costs of healthcare..

But you and Democrats don't WANT to hear things like that..

Ya'all would MUCH rather have a system that is rotten with fraud and abuse and give the Dem's lawyer buddies fat paydays...

Ya see, there are PLENTY of good ideas out there..

But they are good for the COUNTRY and good for the American people..

Which is why Democrats IGNORE them....

Regardless, the current crapcare is not sustainable...

THAT much is certain...

Michale

Correct. What's your plan? If Americans are really so much worse off, what could we do to fix things?

I mean other than rage against Obama. Can we call your plan "Rage and Repeal"?

If you want to talk about fixing specific problems, great.

I don't see it though.

-David

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/07/23/darth-vader-is-polling-higher-than-all-potential-2016-presidential-candidates/

Barack Obama polls two points BELOW Emperor Palpatine... :D

Michale

Survey: Fewer than 1 in 5 better off because of Obamacare; many more worse off

Eighteen percent of Americans, or fewer than one in five, say they or someone in their family is better off because of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new poll by CNN. Nearly twice that number, 35 percent, say they or someone in their family is worse off. A larger group, 46 percent, say they are about the same after Obamacare as before.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/survey-fewer-than-1-in-5-better-off-because-of-obamacare-many-more-worse-off/article/2551199

I'm just sayin'.... :D

Michale

Most, if not all, of those types of people are simply looking for echo chambers where they can post something witty and have people fall all over themselves to "uh hu... huh... Ditto... Ditto uh huh... uh huh"

Weigantian's latest addition is evidence of this..

But, here's a challenge for you ... I invite you to discuss an issue with me - let's make it the next foreign policy issue that Chris writes about - without any reference to Democrats or Republicans or party or non-party affiliation or partisanship etc. etc. etc.

The Gaza issue seems to be perfect for such a discussion...

We'll see what CW has up his sleeve... :D

But I am definitely game... :D

Michale

It's not a stretch to imagine that many who visit here and read the comments and conversations may not be left with that impression.

But, here's a challenge for you ... I invite you to discuss an issue with me - let's make it the next foreign policy issue that Chris writes about - without any reference to Democrats or Republicans or party or non-party affiliation or partisanship etc. etc. etc.

Simply not true..

I am willing to discuss things and willing to concede that I might be wrong..

Most everyone else here is content to refer to Republicans as "terrorists" and "arsonists" and other assorted criminals...

So, you tell me..

Is someone who refers to people as "terrorists" SOLELY because of a difference in political ideology...

Are they part of the problem???

Or part of the solution??

Michale

Would you agree that those who are partisan to the exclusion of all else; those people are part of the problem and not part of the solution...

Would you agree with that??

Michale

Because YA'ALL said it was...

Right up to the point that it became law, ya'all were saying the EXACT same things about TrainWreckCare that I am saying now...

But, once the Messiah and the Democrats passed it, ya'all were COMPLETELY and UNABASHEDLY on board, a bone crushing One Eighty from one day to the next...

"We're at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia."

What's so astounding is that ya'all are completely oblivious to the completely blinded partisanship... Ya'all see absolutely NOTHING wrong with being totally against something (or someone) one day and then be totally FOR that same thing (or same person) the next day...

Party Uber Alles...

THAT is what is wrong with this country in the here and now...

People are Democrats/Republicans first and foremost and Americans a distant, VERY distant 2nd...

Michale

For the record, I am not going to REPEAL anything...

It's likely that Republicans won't repeal anything either...

TrainWreckCare is going to collapse under it's own incompetence, graft and corrupt nature...

It's likely going to be DEMOCRATS who stick the fork in CrapCare and declare, "It's Done!!" in a vain attempt to save their own worthless hides...

Michale

You mean, after I repeal the plan that HURT millions of Americans??

You can't even acknowledge that they exist..

In your world, everything is pixie dust, unicorns and rainbows.. No one has EVER been hurt by TrainWreckCare..

Except, of course, our very own Goode Tickle and millions and millions of other Americans..

That's the problem with your Messiah and your Democrats..

They ONLY care about the Americans who think the way they do and support what they do..

The rest of the Americans???

They can go pound sand...

It is THAT exact attitude that is causing Obama's approval ratings to slide down into the toilet...

Don't take my word for it. Listen to the people the first week in November.... :D

Michale

That was to be read in a raging right-wing voice about the "horror" of health care.

Anyone who thinks having good health care insurance is a "horror" doesn't really know what "horror" is.

Contrary to what you and the Democrats think, THOSE people are Americans too.

I'm glad to hear you care about people. What's your plan then?

I mean after you repeal the plan that helped millions of Americans.

-David

I like you David. So I really hate to bring ya down to earth.. :D

It's NOT about you...

It's about the millions who got scrooed over by TrainWreckCare.. The millions who LIKED their "cut rate junk coverage" and were PROMISED that they could keep it..

It's about people like Goode Tickle here in Weigantia who LIKED his/her insurance and had it cancelled because of TrainWreckCare...

Contrary to what you and the Democrats think, THOSE people are Americans too..

THOSE people don't deserve to be scrooed over so that Democrats can further their partisan agenda...

And, if you could step away from the ideological slavery, you would see that I am right...

Michale

OMG!!!

I now have decent health insurance instead of cut rate junk coverage.

The humanity!!!!!!!!! Please God, save us from these never ending inconveniences!!!!

Puh-leez.

-David

Bull puckies..

SOME people are better off under TrainWreckCare...

Millions and millions more are not..

If there were "millions and millions" of people who aren't, don't you think Fox would have found them?

ALL of the MSM have "found" them.. Where do you think all the horror stories came from?? The sky!!??? :D

"WHERE DO YOU THINK ALL THIS IS COMING FROM!!!??? THE SKY!!!????"
-Bill Murray, GHOSTBUSTERS II

Thank you. I should have said Tea Party House.

Even that, the accuracy is debatable..

However, in the interests of inter-species amity, I won't nitpick.. :D

Michale

Most people are better off under the ACA.

If there were "millions and millions" of people who aren't, don't you think Fox would have found them?

It's a good scare tactic though. But one which even the GOP is starting to abandon.

Actually, since Dems have the Senate

Thank you. I should have said Tea Party House.

-David

Actually, since Dems have the Senate, it's considered a Democrat Congress...

Next year, when the GOP owns both House and Senate, then it will be a Republican Congress...

At least then we will have a Congress that is "effective"...

By ya'all's own admission.. :D

Ain't karma a bitch??

Michale

"Hate"?? Naw, I don't "hate" polls.. I don't think they are indicative of anything other than bias of the poll takers..

And I stand by that...

Having said that, when you have poll after poll after poll after poll saying the same thing, then that lends more credence to the polls...

Wouldn't you agree???

I'm a real person. I'm better off. Health insurance used to cost close to $900/month for me as an independent contractor.

OK.. So we have 1 person who is better off...

What about the millions and millions who are not??

Don't they count??

I know you hate Obama. Fair enough. He's not perfect. But he's a helluva lot better than any of the Republicans we were offered.

Given what we know now, the Majority of Americans would disagree with you...

Do we want an America for everyone? Or do we want an America for the .01%?

Do we want an America for everyone?? Or do we want an America for just Democrats??

Michale

I thought you hated polls?

Approval rating of everyone in government is low. Especially the Tea Party Congress.

But, if you look at the REAL people, the REAL facts....

I'm a real person. I'm better off. Health insurance used to cost close to $900/month for me as an independent contractor.

Now it's only $300. That's real.

I know you hate Obama. Fair enough. He's not perfect. But he's a helluva lot better than any of the Republicans we were offered.

It's hard for me to understand why you want to put people back into office who are going to give more handouts to wealthy people who don't need them.

For me, the question is simple.

Do we want an America for everyone? Or do we want an America for the .01%?

-David

The rulings that dissent from the DC Circuit Court ruling ignore the rule of law and concentrate on the motivations of the plaintiffs...

To put a legalese spin on it, that is completely and utter bullshit...

The motivations of the plaintiffs are completely and utterly irrelevant to the rule of law...

The ONLY thing that the courts must look at is the wording of the law and any evidence of the intent of the lawmakers..

The wording of the law is clear..

Do ya'all have any evidence of the intent of the lawmakers??

Is there any statutory language within TrainWreckCare that states that subsidies would be available to ALL exchanges, State and Federal??

No, there is not...

Is there any statement from Democrats at the time that they intended for ALL exchanges, State and Federal to be eligible for the subsidies??

No, there is not..

Is there ANY evidence, ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL, that supports the claim that Congress intended subsidies to be available to BOTH State and Federal exchanges??

No.. There... Is.... Not....

NONE... ZERO.... ZILCH.... NADA....

NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support the claim that subsidies were to be made available to State AND Federal Exchanges...

There's yer facts, people...

NO.... EVIDENCE.... WHATSOEVER...

The DC Circuit got it right..

Michale

‘‘(A) the monthly premiums for such month for 1 or more qualified health plans offered in the individual market within a State which cover the taxpayer, the taxpayer’s spouse, or any dependent (as defined in section 152) of the taxpayer and which were enrolled in through an Exchange established by the State under 1311 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,

Very clear..

Completely unequivocal...

Totally unambiguous...

You see, Obama and the Democrats figured they would pressure the states to set up their own exchanges.. So they offered incentives for the states to do so, in the form of these subsidies...

Obama and the Democrats were saying, in effect, "Look, you states HAVE to set up your own exchanges or you don't get these subsidies. THAT is the law.."

When the states gave a great big and mighty F.U. to The Messiah and the Democrats, the states LOST the access to those subsidies.

THAT was the wording of the law and the intent of the law makers...

Yer entitled to your own opinions, LD.. But you are simply NOT entitled to your own facts..

And the facts clearly show that states that DIDN'T set up their own exchanges are simply NOT eligible for the subsidies..

"These are the facts of the case. And they are {indisputable}.."
-Kevin Bacon, A FEW GOOD MEN

Michale

To be universal amongst those exchanges established by the state...

The subsidies were an incentive for the states to run their own exchanges... Those states that let the federal government run the exchanges are NOT eligible for the subsidies..

THAT is the wording of the law...

It's not rocket science. The wording is clear, unequivocal and unambiguous..

Yer guys pushed thru a frak'ed up law without even the HINT of bi-partisanship...

Democrats OWN TrainWreckCare, utterly and completely...

And Democrats will also own the fallout....

This is fact...

Here's another FACT for you...

At NO TIME in TrainWreckCare's *ENTIRE* existence has it enjoyed ANY majority support of the American people.. Even today, the majority of Americans oppose TrainWreckCare...

Ya'all put an Edsel in.... A dodo bird...

And like the Edsel and the dodo, TrainWreckCare is going to die an ignoble and unflattering death...

That's the long and short of it..

Michale

Apparently, you can't forget your partisan enslavement long enough for that...

Michale

Who you kidding..

That court ruled that TrainWreckCare subsidies are illegal..

THAT is fact..

The SCOTUS that you whine and cry and bitch and moan about??? They saved your precious TrainWreckCare and you didn't raise a SINGLE objection THAT time.

THAT is also fact...

And, in addition to being FACT, it's also hypocrisy...

Michale

You never present factual arguments and I'm not interested in debating your winger conspiracy theories. I've given my opinion and the facts and logic their based upon. All you've got, all you've ever got, is wild unsubstantiated accusations and vague unsupported generalizations. None of which have any bearing on the ACA decision.

Maybe you can find a second grader to converse with? Since that's the level of your arguments. I'm just not interested in your spurious fantasies of partisan bias.

If the SCOTUS hadn't done EXACTLY what you are bitching and moaning about them doing, your precious TrainWreckCare would have been tossed on the trash heap of history...

"I think a modicum of gratitude would not be outta line here."
-Joe Pesci, MY COUSIN VINNY

:D

Michale

And the Democrat appointees are completely free of bias, right??? :D

Again, I am amazed you can type that crap with a straight face... It's fascinating...

Michale

And yet, Obama's own Constitutional Prof has stated that TrainWreckCare is unlikely to survive..

The writing's on the wall, my friend...

Get ready for the demise of CrapCare.... :D

Michale

The court has not ruled. Two biased Republican appointees have issued an obviously absurd partisan opinion. Why is it that you conservatives can never discuss an issue without lying?

Once again, I am constrained to point out that you didn't mind the SCOTUS's ruling when it save yer precious TrainWreckCare....

Why is that???

Regardless, the court has ruled... TrainWreckCare is going down...

Just a matter of time...

Michale

Your reasoning, and the courts, is bullshit. The ACA refers to exchanges established by the states because Congress was requiring state exchanges but providing states flexibility. It was not a limitation to only exchanges established by the states. When written all exchanges were to be established by the states and all states were to establish exchanges, the subsidies were obviously intended to be universal.

ACA did not limit exchanges to only those established by the states. That "interpretation" is a misrepresentation, an intentional misrepresentation of the statute. SCOTUS' claim states have the right to opt out in no way gives states the right to control distribution of federal subsidies by opting out. SCOTUS' opinion that states have the right to opt out in no way alters the intent of Congress in the statute to to provide subsidies to all states. You, like the court, are taking the literal text out of context and "interpreting" it based on a SCOTUS decision that didn't exist when the statute was written. That's a clearly false interpretation. The Appeals decision is yet another example of a court lying to justify rewriting law to suit themselves, unconstitutionally.

Your unsubstantiated and irrelevant claims of partisan bias don't change the simple fact that conservative courts are rogue, are betraying their oaths, are acting arbitrarily and unconstitutionally, and are violating the law because of the contempt for the constitution, and the law in general, shown by SCOTUS.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696336/Explosive-new-book-claims-Bill-Clintons-steamy-phone-sex-calls-Monica-intercepted-Russia-UK-used-blackmail-attempt-Israeli-Prime-Minister-according-ex-interns-secret-dossier-President.html

That's why Hillary is not going to run for POTUS

Michale

The IRS issued a regulation expanding the pool of enrollees who qualify for the subsidies. Opponents of the law, such as the Cato Institute’s Michael Cannon and Jonathan Adler, argue that the IRS does not have the authority to make that change. (Halbig v. Burwell, one of the lawsuits making this argument, is currently pending before the D.C. Circuit Court; the loser will likely appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.)

“There are specific rules about when and how the IRS can deviate from the plain language of a statute,” Cannon explained to National Review Online, arguing that the subsidies regulation fails to comply with those rules.

The IRS can deviate from “absurd” laws, in theory, but the subsidies language is not absurd. “It might be stupid, but that’s not the test for absurdity,” Cannon says. Similarly, the IRS can deviate in the case of scrivener’s errors — typos, basically — but this is not a typo, Cannon says, because the language was written into repeated drafts of the law.

“They not only keep that language in there, but they even inserted it, this same phrase again, right before passage while the bill was in [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid’s office,” Cannon says. “So, it’s not a scrivener’s error, either.”

Finally, the IRS could fill in ambiguous gaps in a law. The problem for the IRS, though, is that the subsidies language is not ambiguous. Even Tribe acknowledged that the language is clear, according to the Fiscal Times.

“Yet in drafting the law, Tribe said the administration ‘assumed that state exchanges would be the norm and federal exchanges would be a marginal, fallback position’ — though it didn’t work out that way for a plethora of legal, administrative and political reasons,” the Fiscal Times writes.

And, apparently so does Laurence Tribe, Obama's Constitutional Law Professor... :D

Michale

I noticed you didn't mind when the SCOTUS rewrote the law to make it a tax, thereby allowing TrainWreckCare to survive...

I honestly can't believe you are blind to the blatant hypocrisy....

Clearly not the intent of Congress

Apparently, the courts disagree with you.... :D

Michale

So first SCOTUS rewrites the law, unconstitutionally. And then the appeals court rewrites it some more, unconstitutionally, based on faulty logic and a patently false reading of statutes. Congress didn't intend for only state exchanges to offer subsidies. Congress intended for all states to both offer subsidies and have exchanges.

First SCOTUS allows states to opt out. Then an appeals court pretends only state exchanges can offer subsidies, extending "states rights" to determine federal policy as well! Clearly not the intent of Congress. Courts once again unconstitutionally rewrite the law. Subsidies were not conditioned on state exchanges, state exchanges were not optional!

Our courts use faulty logic and intentionally misrepresented "precedent" readings of statutes to arbitrarily write law, unconstitutionally. And it will keep getting worse, and our country increasingly lawless, until we start enforcing the constitution by impeaching these partisan judges and justices who are violating their oaths and abusing their offices.

It's long overdue...

TrainWreckCare is an abomination...

It was a lie from start to finish...

A political stunt designed to serve a political agenda at the expense of the American people...

Michale

Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

The beginning of the end of TrainWreckCare.....

Once you get rid of the subsidies, Health Insurance Premiums will be almost 80% higher than they were before TrainWreckCare...

So much for "Affordable", eh????

Michale

I'll give you that one..

I am also constrained to point out that the ONLY way that Obama got Osama was because of the CT policies put into place by President Bush. Policies including torture, rendition, surveillance and a whole slew of other programs that ya'all screamed hysterically about when Bush deployed them..

Obama gets credit for ignoring his base and doing what's best for the country....

But Bush gets the credit for CREATING the policies despite brutal and overwhelming hysteria from Democrats....

Michale

Oh now THAT's just a load of crap....

Obama is only on the side of the people that vote for him...

I could go on.

And often do.. :D

- The economy

Yea?? Howz that "recovery" coming along??

Are Joe and Jane Sixpack better off now than before Democrats came to power??

They will tell you, not even close...

- Financial regulations

For example???

- Equal rights

Only for those who toe the Democrat Party line..

- Getting Osama bin Laden

I'll give you that one..

- Avoiding war in Iran

Yea, by letting Iran get a lot further along in completing their nukes...

That's one of the BIGGEST bonehead mistakes Obama has made...

Peace at ANY cost is tantamount to slavery..

- Winding down the war in Iraq

Another HUGE bonehead move.. How are things in Iraq now???

You are making this WAY to easy for me, my friend.. :D

- Health care

Another total colossal cluster f*ck...

- Repealed "Don't ask, don't tell"

And morale in the military is at an all time low..

- Got rid of Qaddafi

Obama didn't have anything to do with that.. His Lead From Behind AKA Coward Of The Country made things a LOT worse...

- Expanded student loans

Putting more people in debt.. Good call...

- Passed credit card reform

Yea??? For example...???

- Invested heavily in sustainable energy/energy independence

And lost every penny of it to bankruptcies and incompetence..

- Killed the F-22 program saving $4 billion

leaving our Air Force stuck in the 20th century...

You got ONE... Out of all that, Bin Laden is the ONLY thing Democrats have done right...

What he meant by this is that from an economic perspective, he thought Obama was doing everything right. I disagree with him in several areas but it was interesting to hear an economist say this.

Like I told CW.. Yea, if you cherry pick a stat here or a stat there, your guy walks on water...

But, if you look at the REAL people, the REAL facts....

Americans say overwhelmingly that they are not better off...

If Obama is doing such a great job as you claim, why are his poll numbers in the toilet??

A poll here or a poll there... yea, you can make an argument for inaccuracy...

But poll after poll after poll after poll is underwater...

Are they ALL wrong???

Michale

Wow. Sometimes you make it too easy ...

- The economy
- Financial regulations
- Equal rights
- Getting Osama bin Laden
- Avoiding war in Iran
- Winding down the war in Iraq
- Health care
- Repealed "Don't ask, don't tell"
- Got rid of Qaddafi
- Expanded student loans
- Passed credit card reform
- Invested heavily in sustainable energy/energy independence
- Killed the F-22 program saving $4 billion

I could go on.

Mostly though, he's governed for everyone. A sign of this is that not everyone gets what they want.

I had a great conversation with an economist yesterday. He was here on business from out of town. I have no idea what his political affiliation is because we only talked about economics. In his words though: "Obama is the best Republican president we've had for 30 years."

What he meant by this is that from an economic perspective, he thought Obama was doing everything right. I disagree with him in several areas but it was interesting to hear an economist say this.

-David

I don't think it's anything to worry about..

Hillary likely won't run... And if she does, it's unlikely that she will win...

Bill has too much to lose....

Michale

Idunno, Liz. Among progressives Hillary is not popular. There are many people who will fight like hell to make sure she isn't the Democratic nominee.

Don't get me wrong, I'd vote for her in the general if she were the choice. But I'd much rather see Elizabeth Warren or even Joe Biden.

-David

You mean, how Democrats were during the Bush years???

then I - for one - would be more inclined to be more publically critical of the administration and how they are handling certain domestic and international issues.

That's funny, because that's exactly how I feel??

If Weigantians would be inclined to be more critical of Democrats and their bone head moves, I would be inclined to be LESS critical.. :D

But, as long as you continue with your unsupportable criticisms, ad nauseam -

I can point to DOZENS of comments I have made, giving credit where credit is due, complimenting Obama and Democrats when they had done good.. I have also posted DOZENS of comments taking the GOP to task for when they have scrooed the pooch..

No one else here (save the Grand Poobah hisself) can point to ANY reciprocation...

What is the difference between what the simple truth of the matter is and what the facts are? To my way of thinking they are one and the same.

Truth is not necessarily fact....

The best example is religion... To a Christian, it's "truth" that god exists..

Facts would seem to indicate otherwise...

Another good example is politics..

What is "truth" to a Democrat is likely not "truth" to a Republican...

That's why I deal exclusively in facts....

Truth is subjective...

Facts are not...

"THEIR TRUTH IS NOT YOUR TRUTH!!!"
-The Oracle, STAR TREK, For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky

Michale

You have to help me understand one thing about your way of thinking ...

What is the difference between what the simple truth of the matter is and what the facts are? To my way of thinking they are one and the same.

If the congressional Republicans and their supporters - and that includes you, my friend - weren't always so quick and so exclusively against everything that this administration is trying to achieve to improve the country and its standing in the world, then I - for one - would be more inclined to be more publically critical of the administration and how they are handling certain domestic and international issues.

But, as long as you continue with your unsupportable criticisms, ad nauseam - that is to say 24/7/12/365, for years on end - I am not at all ready to waste time in a conversation about specific issues that I know will go nowhere.

Contrary to popular belief, I'm no fan of political ping pong in lieu of fun and enlightening conversation.

EVERYONE wants to talk about when the Republicans scroo up...

NO ONE wants to talk about when Democrats scroo up...

I can count on ONE hand how many Weigantians will actually concede that Democrats even scroo up at all...

The vast majority around here think that EVERYTHING is the fault of the Republicans and Democrats are as pure as the driven snow..

You can see why I have my work cut out for me.. :D

Michale

Michale

Can you point to anything that Democrats have been right about in the last 6 years??

I mean "right" in the sense that it has helped the country and not just their Party??

Michale

Truth?? Yea..

Facts?? Not even close...

Though both parties engage in political spin, one party is more often wrong about what is the truth and facts and it ain't the Democrats.

We'll just have to disagree on that.. :D

You need to be able to distinguish between the two parties on any particular issue and not start with the misguided assumption that both are bad or wrong.

On any given issue, I would agree with you..

On their actions taken in totality??

They ARE, overall, bad and wrong??

Why??

Because neither care about their country more than they care about themselves and their Party...

THAT is my entire point..

It's always "Party Uber Alles"....

If you have any facts that disproves this, I would be happy to entertain it...

Michale

I think your sense of balance and that Democrats and Republicans have equally bad ideas about how to improve the country is severely skewing your analysis of all issues.

I hope you don't subscribe to the notion that the truth and facts of a matter can be found somewhere between right and wrong.

Though both parties engage in political spin, one party is more often wrong about what is the truth and facts and it ain't the Democrats.

You need to be able to distinguish between the two parties on any particular issue and not start with the misguided assumption that both are bad or wrong. If you can do that, then conversations here will be far more fun, not to mention enlightening.

I wish I could have been there to hear Biden speak.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell to win the Democratic nomination if Hillary is in it. If she's not, then that MAY be a whole other story but, sadly, he doesn't have a good history of raking in the votes in a presidential primary.

In any case, I think he knows it and that is why I will be extremely surprised - though pleasantly so - if he decides to run.

Biden at Netroots was outstanding even though he took the stage an hour late because he was dealing with the Malaysian crisis.

Based on his appearance and speech at the conference, I think he's going to make a Presidential run.

Netroots also did a lot to raise the issue of the Detroit water crisis.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140718/NEWS01/307180136/Water-protest-Detroit-arrest

Mike Duggan, Democratic mayor of Detroit, appears to be from the Rahm Emmanuel side of the Dem party. It looks like he's trying to privatize Detroit's water department using the "crisis" as fuel.

*sigh*

Hopefully, the protests will help put an end to this.

-David

As usual, Kerry is clueless..

Hamas doesn't WANT to save lives.

The ONLY way that Hamas can have ANY kind of "legitimacy" (if you want to call it that) is by having Palestinians killed...

Israel uses missiles to defend her people.. Hamas uses it's people to defend their missiles....

No moral ambiguity there whatsoever...

I have said it before and I'll say it again..

As long as the Palestinian "people" support terrorism against Israel, Israel will ALWAYS have the moral, ethical and legal high ground and will have nearly carte blanche in dealing with the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah et al...

Michale

Shall I start listing Democrats who have run for office after being busted for drugs??? :D

"Pot.... Kettle..."

"Ant?? Boot..."
-Nick Fury, THE AVENGERS

:D

Michale

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/07/20/movie-television-legend-james-garner-dies-at-86/?intcmp=features

Michale

Actually, I hear ALG say something cringe-worthy almost daily, but maybe not live. Maybe it's the commercials. Regardless, she looks hot holding a rifle. Miss Mitch, not so much.

This patriot is already *out there*. Your politics of personal destruction will be ineffective against him. It's shocking that laws intended for thuggish Democrats were used against a principled blue blood like him. Despite being persecuted by the Establishment and the lamestream media, he still has his personal fortune and can get his message out. He's liable to say anything now that he's been emancipated from the GOP and Lindsey may indeed be clutching her pearls.

Comes from my political agnosticism... :D

I wouldn't say "equal" blame...

But it IS undeniable that both Partys share the blame for the mess this country is in...

We simply don't have all the facts to ascertain the exact proportions..

To blame one without acknowledging the responsibility of the other simply isn't fair..

Of course, life ain't fair, so...... :D

Michale

You like to divide up the blame so that everyone gets an equal share. Whatever floats your boat.

Congressional Democrats share the blame...

THAT is my point...

You can point fingers at Republicans until the cows come home..

But Democrats share the blame...

It's going to take more than that, I'm afraid ...

"You want a beer???"
"It's seven o'clock in the morning!!"
"SCOTCH!!????"
-Mr Mom

:D

Michale

Before what? Before the congressional Republicans demonstrated their utter contempt for the economic well-being of America and Americans?

Have a cold beer.. it will pass... :D

It's going to take more than that, I'm afraid ...

OH THE HORROR!!!!! OH THE INHUMANITY

OH MY GOD!!! THINK OF THE DONKEYS!!!!

:D

hehehehehehehehehehe

Michale

It is NOT false..

I can personally attest that MY life is worse off since Democrats have been in power.. As are my contemporaries...

I can also point to each and every poll that shows that Americans are not happy with the Democrats and how they run things...

Things are worse today than they were 6 years ago..

But, you're right about one thing - you do need to learn more about the economy and, until you do, you need also to refrain from making any comments about what makes it tick and what runs it into the ground.

I am a simply ground-pounder.. I don't know hi-level finance from a hole in the ground..

But I DO have an abundance of common sense...

And common sense indicates that Americans are WORSE off now than they were before...

Dems da facts..

As you can clearly see, my patience is running on empty. :(

I see that..

Have a cold beer..

it will pass... :D

Michale

But I *AM* saying is that Democrats haven't done crap for the economy...

This is completely false and utter nonsense. You simply cannot be allowed to litter these comments with trash like that.

But, you're right about one thing - you do need to learn more about the economy and, until you do, you need also to refrain from making any comments about what makes it tick and what runs it into the ground.

As you can clearly see, my patience is running on empty. :(

Maybe if Democrats were more concerned about the American people and less concerned about their Party agenda, things would be different..

But they're not so it's not..

Michale

If I knew enough about economics, I am sure I could..

But I don't..

All I DO know is that what Democrats are doing is NOT working in the here and now..

This is simply undeniable..

I am not saying that Republicans are the end all get all....

But I *AM* saying is that Democrats haven't done crap for the economy...

Michale

Yep, that' all I do around here, you know.

BTW - I think that CW knew that you were just kidding.

Explain to me how "trickle-down economics" has ever worked in real world.

Come on! I'm all ears ...

Giethner saved you from financial disaster ... you should show a little more gratitude and thank him for it.

Americans really should try to forget about who's to blame for the financial crisis - for one minute - at least until y'all look closely in the mirror and understand what was done to avert a major catastrophe.

People tend to be so self-centered that they refuse to see what is happening around them beyond their own disjointed noses.

Who among those in the vast financial, regulatory and government sectors are without blame for the financial crisis and what did they do to correct their mistakes?

What do you mean when you say Geithner was one of the architects of the financial crisis and does that negate all that he did to correct the situation?

I'm tired of the simplistic way in which complex issues are "analyzed" by those who wish to ignore the facts of the matter.

I know that.

I was just trying to be funny.

Sheesh.

Once again, I am gabber-flasted that the Left wants to create an entire race solely and completely based on someone's sexual preference...

A person just can't be a person. He/she has to be a "gay" person..

It's mind-boggling...

Where's the representation for the Tri-Sexuals???

Michale

The Clinton economic boom was caused by the Dot Com bubble..

An outlier by ANY stretch of the definition...

Having said that, one could EASILY make the case that it was the Republican Congress that made the economy good, not any of Clinton's policies...

It's all in the spin... :D

More surprising still is how the Democrats - from Obama on down - have failed miserably in capitalizing on the vacuous economic ideology of the Republicans.

There's a reason for that.. :D

The only member of this administration who consistently made a cogent case against the Republican cult of economic failure and who did more for the middle class, almost single-handedly, than anyone else in the Obama administration ever did was none other than former treasury secretary, Tim Geithner.

Correct me if I am wrong (as I am sure you will.. :D) but wasn't Geithner one of the ARCHITECTS of the economic meltdown??

Michale

Really???

Putin Poised to Retaliate Against Obama by Trashing Iran Deal
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/18/putin-set-to-retaliate-against-obama-by-trashing-iran-deal.html

So much for the BS claim that the downing of the Malaysian Airliner "doesn't have anything to do with Amurikkka."

You can bet that the Ukraine/Russia war just boiled over and we are DEFINITELY going to feel the heat here at home...

As far as the OTHER war???

As I am wont to do, I have to give credit where credit is due..

Obama appears to have really come down on the side of Israel and put the full onus of responsibility where it belongs..

On Hamas...

While it IS late in the game to realize this ("Hamas are the bad guys here??? Who knew!!??") better late than never, I always say..

Kudos to Obama for supporting Israel...

Bout frakin' time....

Michale

HuffPoop is about as reliable a source for politics as Brietbart is.. :D

"Oh please! Teleportation is about as likely as... as time travel!"
-Jeannie Miller, STARGATE ATLANTIS, McKay & Mrs Miller

:D

Michale

Come on now, let's be accurate..

The majority of Americans who READ HuffPoop think that suing the POTUS is a gigantic waste of time..

The majority of Americans who read HuffPoop have their heads so far up Obama's ass that they haven't seen the light of day in eight years...

The majority of Americans who read HuffPoop are no-information ideologically enslaved morons..

"Present company excepted, of course."
-General Chang, STAR TREK VI, The Undiscovered Country

:D

Does anyone really CARE what the majority of Americans who read HuffPoop think???

SHOULD anyone really case what the majority of Americans who read HuffPoop think???

Michale

Heh. The gay joke/terrorist fist jab got lost in the shuffle this week. The ENDA decision didn't happen until after I had written and posted.

Yeah, that Fulbright thing was pretty funny. Click on the link, if you want a laugh, folks... it's very clever and actually pretty non-partisan.

LizM -

Hey, there are seven and only seven (as we all know) but everyone's free to suggest a #8...

:-)

In other words: "there's always next week, you never know what'll carry over, and it helps Chris with his weekly research!"

-CW

Don't you know that?

And, if the comparison between the Clinton era and the second Bush era didn't provide enough evidence for the electorate of what works and what doesn't in the realm of tax policy and "trickle down" economics then I'm sure I don't know what will.

More surprising still is how the Democrats - from Obama on down - have failed miserably in capitalizing on the vacuous economic ideology of the Republicans.

The only member of this administration who consistently made a cogent case against the Republican cult of economic failure and who did more for the middle class, almost single-handedly, than anyone else in the Obama administration ever did was none other than former treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. Unfortunately and ironically, most, if not all, of the electorate was too busy planning how to tar and feather him and run him out of town on the rails to bother to listen to him, much less support him in their own best interests.

But, then again, not looking out for one's own best interests is pretty par for the course for most of us ...