If we're going to be reducing people to the color of their skin as a means of ridicule.....

Well, not sure if I like that or not...

Michale

At least you are honest about your intent. I have to give you points for that...

I don't like the way that they call names and demonize people

Yer kidding, right!!??

*and ban dissenters* at sites like Red State.

AND at sites like HuffPoop and Daily KaaKaa AND at Banter Line sites and all the other Left Wing sites...

There really isn't any difference between you and the Republicans you castigate...

THAT's the point you simply refuse to see...

I mocked Rash Limpbone's ridiculous conspiracy rant on the thread about the Orangeman's lawsuit.

As I said, the American people have issued a vote of NO CONFIDENCE against the Blackman in the White House...

The lawsuit is likely to be welcomed by the American people..

Michale

You have to take the zombie god's first and last names and put an F word in between.

"which I notice flies right out the window when there are child refugees on our border"

They don't call it The Big Book of Multiple Choice for nothing!

Our Xenophobe who art in Sky-Heaven, hallowed be Thy multiple names and personalities.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on the Rio Grande as it was in Berlin.
Give us this day our Leviticus cherry-picking and forgive us our totally open border and we will never forgive those little kids who invade against us.
And lead us not into sanity, but deliver us from reason.
For Thine is the self-righteousness and the hypocrisy and the cognitive dissonance forever and ever.
You betcha.

BTW - I had already trolled the RW sites, and on Thursday, I mocked Rash Limpbone's ridiculous conspiracy rant on the thread about the Orangeman's lawsuit. It's a Fact unlike other posts that list 23 dead Amurikkkans in Ukraine.

"I tolerate him for two big reasons"

In no way do I advocate for you to not tolerate "him". I don't like the way that they call names and demonize people *and ban dissenters* at sites like Red State. I'm happy to know that you take the high road.

Which is MUCH easier said than done.. :D

Michale

:D

What CW is saying is that I am, indeed, a real person..

The sooner you realize that and lose the Goebbels' De-Humaniztion 101 teachings, the better off everyone will be...

Michale

In my defense, I only go outside those bounds when provoked..

In other words, I treat people EXACTLY as they treat me..

"For those who will be our allies, you will find no more faithful a friend than the United States.
For those who would wish to make war on us and do us harm?
We can be faithful to that as well."
-President Jack Ryan, EXECUTIVE ORDERS

:D

Michale

Actually, the one I like best is that Obama ordered the CIA to assassinate Putin and the CIA downed the wrong plane..

Love it!!! :D

The only one I've ever heard is "WWJD" which I notice flies right out the window when there are child refugees on our border...

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/uFGvPnvhXUU/hqdefault.jpg

These are the majority of "children" at the border...

Michale

I accused him of changing effective dates..

And no one can deny that he has done exactly that.

Changing moving it up is not any different than moving it back...

As for Obama legalizing everyone with the stroke of a pen, it just ain't gonna happen. I'll wear an "I love/miss George W. Bush" T-shirt for a whole day if it every does, how's that? You can hold me to that promise.

That's not exactly what I asked..

I asked if Obama could give illegals the right to vote??

And... Would you support him if he did... :D

of conspiracy by Obama (maybe he shot the plane down himself!!!>/em>), to distract from the border.

In other words: priceless!

HA!!! :D

Michale

Please post your list (I'll personally approve it for moderation), but please limit it to exactly what I asked for: any case where Obama moved the schedule for a new law UP, and not BACK. /In other words, what you were trying to accuse him of doing.

As for Obama legalizing everyone with the stroke of a pen, it just ain't gonna happen. I'll wear an "I love/miss George W. Bush" T-shirt for a whole day if it every does, how's that? You can hold me to that promise.

JFC [27] -

The only one I've ever heard is "WWJD" which I notice flies right out the window when there are child refugees on our border...

Anyway, thanks, it's a lot easier to type.

As for Michale, well... he's an acquried taste, admittedly. I tolerate him for two big reasons: (1) he pays his freight -- he's a big contributor to the site, and he usually stays within the bounds of respectful conversation here (kind of, at least), and (2) he saves me HOURS of research, because I don't have to troll right-wing sites with him around: I just have to consider what he's saying, and counter his arguments. I haven't even glanced at Fox News or Drudge for years. That is indeed a valuable service, to me.

:-)

But he does take some getting use to. See if you can engage him on the subject of science-fiction. That's usually where the politics fall away and we can all quote funny movies....

See? Michale [35]... that saved me from actually listening to Rush Limbaugh suggesting that the Malaysian Arlines disaster was some sort of conspiracy by Obama (maybe he shot the plane down himself!!!>/em>), to distract from the border.

-CW

Obama is probably on his knees thanking the media gods...

Michale

Prepared me for my role in Weigantia....

hehehehehehehehe

Michale

I love that "he" thinks "he" is the hall monitor here.

Well, he actually is!

Perhaps not...

your very own obsessive-compulsive Republican

But THAT sure as frak was! :D

Michale

Bravo...

First rule of Gestapo-ish tactics.. De-humanize your opponent.. Make him/her an "it" in your mind..

Are you sure you're a liberal/progressive?? :D

Michale

You DO realize that your first statement is TOTALLY negated by your second statement.. :D

I love that "he" thinks "he" is the hall monitor here.

Let's just say I have a vested interest (as most every other Weigantian has) in keeping Weigantia as free as possible from childish personal attacks and immature name-calling..

If you are looking for a HuffPoop-type place where people are childish and immature, then you have definitely come to the wrong place....

Michale

It wasn't intended as an insult. Since we only deal in facts here, I would call it an evaluation. I don't believe that "he" is a real person. "His" response hit all the right notes - just what a chatbot would say. I love that "he" thinks "he" is the hall monitor here.

If any of ya'all have any F....F.... FACTS.... that indicate Obama can be trusted, then.... well, we'll turn to the tried and true wisdom of Mr Ross Perot...

"I'm all ears..."
-Ross Perot, 1992 Presidential Debates

:D

Michale

I like that..

So much more... er... FACTUAL than "chatbot"... :D

Michale

So, do you have ANY facts to support what you claim??

I'll assume from your silence (other than the name-calling) that you have no facts to support your conclusions...

{{ssssiiigggghhhhhh}} Another hopeful dashed.. :(

Michale

OK, Mister Fact-based, please provide me with one example of when the Obama administration has enacted a law earlier than what the law says. Just one.

I can name a dozen times when the Obama administration has CHANGED the effective date of a law...

Which is what I am talking about..

Any facts to support your claim? Any??

Plenty.. Do you want the list?? :D You'll have to suspend the one link per comment rule for a bit... :D

1. No.

2. Ain't never going to happen. Too much Fox News recently, or what? I mean, even for you, this is pretty far-fetched. Even under the Senate plan, it would take THIRTEEN YEARS before the first immigrant covered ever gained the right to vote. That is more than three presidential terms.

I am constrained to point out that Obama himself said he can't change the immigration laws and then less then a year later, he did...

So, I don't put ANYTHING past this POTUS..

So, can I infer from your comment that you would NOT support such an action from Obama, that you would DENOUNCE such an action from Obama and that you would support impeachment if Obama attempted such an action?? :D

The irony's so thick you can slice it up and sell it to the tourists...

Out har in my neck o the woods, they call that HYPOCRISY... :D

Michale

OK, Mister Fact-based, please provide me with one example of when the Obama administration has enacted a law earlier than what the law says. Just one.

Any facts to support your claim? Any??

[16] -

1. No.

2. Ain't never going to happen. Too much Fox News recently, or what? I mean, even for you, this is pretty far-fetched. Even under the Senate plan, it would take THIRTEEN YEARS before the first immigrant covered ever gained the right to vote. That is more than three presidential terms.

JFC [18] -

[Hope you don't mind if I call you "JFC," as John From Censornati is a lot to type out...]

Aha! Thought you sounded familiar!

Here's my secret (shhh!) -- I don't have a Facebook account either, so I can no longer answer comments over at that "other site." I have complained to the editors, but to no avail. I'm just glad they still allow me to post, non-Facebook person that I am. Sheesh.

General comment to all: ChrisWeigant.com welcomes with open arms ALL refugees from that "other site" who refuse to sign up for Facebook just to comment!

LizM [20] -

Don't know if I'd go as far as "cheerful" but he certainly is a lot of fun to poke with a (verbal) stick every so often, ain't he?

Heh.

Also, JFC, have to say I loved that "chatbot" swipe. Hadn't heard that one before!

:-)

One last comment -- I find it ironic in the extreme when that other site runs headlines about how Facebook is evil for mining everyone's data (which they still continue to do) while simultaneously restricting their comments to Facebook-only types. The irony's so thick you can slice it up and sell it to the tourists...

-CW

I never believed them about the civility charade. It was clear to me that it was a data mining project from the git-go. I'm not even sure what AOL is, but I knew it was The End when the shape-shifter sold her empire to them. They had a great comment system back in their early days. I especially liked the hocus pocus section.

I am no longer welcome there ...

I'm afraid that site has become much worse since we were forced to have a Facebook account.

Now, it has replaced its comments sections with a Facebook "conversation" platform and, consequently, has effectively "moved the conversation" to oblivion, at least for those of us whose comments are no longer visible under the HP articles even though we seem to be doing everything right.

I'm missing the place -or, at least, one particular corner of it - less and less with each passing day. I never wanted a Facebook account to begin with but now, having signed up for one, and STILL not being able to comment gives whole new meaning to adding insult to injury. :(

In other words, welcome to the site - hope you stick around as a voice of reason is always a welcome one.

I didn't expect that you would have your very own obsessive-compulsive Republican word salad chatbot.

He's a rather cheerful fellow, once you get to know him.

:-)

Welcome to my world.. :D

See!? We already have something in common!! :D

I didn't expect that you would have your very own obsessive-compulsive Republican word salad chatbot.

Actually, I am a registered NPA (No Political Affiliation) and hate Republicans politicians ALMOST as much as I hate Democrat politicians..

Just a little bit of friendly advice.. If yer gonna debut here with nothing but name-calling and ad-hominem attacks, you won't do very well..

Most people here in Weigantia (myself especially) respond to FACTS and mutual respect...

Hopefully, you have the facts.. The mutual respect might take a bit longer to grow into for ya.. :D

As I said, just a lil bit o friendly advice...

Michale

And with dozens and dozens of communities across the country defying the US Government to relocate these illegals???

Who do you think Joe and Jane SixPack are going to blame???

I'll give you a hint..

It AIN'T going to be the Republicans...

Michale

Lemme ask ya'all something..

Postulate a scenario where, in September of 2014, Obama signs an executive order that gives all illegal aliens in the country who are of voting age, the right to vote...

Two questions.

1. Do you think it could happen??

2. What would ya'alls reaction be??

Michale

It's really obvious that this "We can't trust BHO" excuse is extraordinarily lame.

Really??

Please explain why.. Please provide facts to support your conclusion..

They could make the legislation go into effect in 2017 when Rant Paul is president.

And "they" could simply ignore what they make to further their own agenda..

As "they" have done in the past time and time again..

Ya see, that's the problem with ya'alls position and conclusions..

They are completely devoid of facts and totally opposite of the reality of the here and now..

Weigantia is a "REALITY based" forum...

So, do you have ANY facts to support what you claim??

By the by....

"Welcome to the party, pal!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

Don't worry, if ya stick around, you get used to it.. :D

Michale

So they offered...

BFD...

An offer from Obama and the Democrats is worth as much as a $3 bill...

Republicans are still waiting for the tort reform that was "offered" when Obama lied about CrapCare...

An offer, ANY offer, MUST be backed up with trust and integrity.

Obama and the Democrats have PROVEN beyond ANY doubt time and time again that they don't even know the definition of either..

Michale

I would say "welcome to the site" but I already recognize your name... maybe from here, maybe from HuffPost? Can't remember, but I'm positive I've seen comments from you somewhere before!

Sorry for the delay in posting your comments. They should appear instantly from now on.

:-)

-CW

That's nonsense. Boehner has passed dozens (hundreds?) of bills he knows won't make it through the Senate. So why is this one any different?

Pastafarian Dan's right, they offered to make it not go into effect until the next presidential term. I guess Republicans aren't feeling all that lucky about 2016, are they?

Heh.

-CW

That it's the REPUBLICANS that are completely and solely to blame for the problems this country faces and that Obama and the Democrats are pure as the driven snow, totally and completely devoid of ANY responsibility???

Seriously!???

"Did IQs drop suddenly while I was away???"
-Ripley, ALIENS

Michale

It's ALL the Republicans fault..

The Messiah and his disciples are as pure as the driven snow...

{{sssiiiggggghhhhhhh}}

Republicans claiming they don't trust Obama because he did his job and successfully implemented a law Republicans wanted to fail is total nonsense.

That's the point. Obama DIDN'T "implement" the law... He suspended parts of the law that would hurt Democrats...

THAT is the whole point...

Duuuhhhhhhh.......

Obama has always tried to work with Republicans,

If you change "always" to "never", you would be right...

They can't even work with each other!

Sounds like Democrats during the Bush years. Of course, you never said anything against it then...

It's called "hypocrisy"...

All they're good for is making lame excuses.

Yea, and Democrats have done a BANG UP job so far, eh??

That's why Obama's approval ratings are in the toilet and Democrats are going to lose the Senate..

Right?? :D

Michale

It's really obvious that this "We can't trust BHO" excuse is extraordinarily lame. They could make the legislation go into effect in 2017 when Rant Paul is president.

Obama has always tried to work with Republicans, often to the consternation of Progressives, Republicans simply refuse to work with him. They can't even work with each other! All they're good for is making lame excuses.

Obama is Lucy...

Democrats are the football...

And Boehner is Charlie Brown....

Can't make it any clearer than that...

Michale

But it all boils down to one thing..

Can the GOP trust Obama and the Democrats to enact the legislation as it is written?

THAT is the single question that addresses ALL of ya'alls talking points..

Now, if you can come up with LOGICAL and RATIONAL reasons why the GOP *can* trust Obama and the Democrats to enact the legislation as it is written.......

I am willing to listen...

But if you can't.... Then you have your answer as to why the GOP is not helping the Democrats to further the Democrat Party agenda to the detriment of the country...

Michale

It's actually a pretty kewl scam in a disgusting and perverse way when ya think about it..

Democrats and Republicans dicker about Acme Legislation.

Democrats offer compromise after compromise after compromise, knowing full well that, if the GOP accepts the compromise and the legislation becomes law, Obama will simply ignore the compromise and enact only the parts of the legislation that Democrats want...

If the GOP doesn't accept the compromise because they KNOW Obama won't adhere to it, then the Democrats can beat the GOP over the head with it..

Like I said, it's a pretty kewl (disgusting/perverse) scam..

But the American people are on to Democrats and Obama..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-tran/politics/election-lab-2014

Dems are going to be pining for the wonderful election results of 2010... :D

Michale

So why didn't Boehner do what he promised he was going to do, and pass his OWN legislation, step by step?

My guess is because he knew it wouldn't pass the Senate..

Everyone knew he wasn't going to bring the Senate bill to the floor, but that still doesn't explain why he couldn't get his own House in order (so to speak).

I think you have adequatly explained that point..

The GOP is fractured...

Irregardless of that, the reasons why Boehner won't pass the Senate Immigration legislation are clear, concise and quite logical, given the total trust deficit on the part of Obama and the Democrats...

PF,

The Democrats addressed this "concern" of the GOP by offering to have the bill not go into effect until after 2016, and they still refused.

Even if what you say is true, so?? Obama and the Democrats changed MANY "effective dates" when it came to TrainWreckCare...

"I know that this legislation wasn't supposed to go into effect until 2016, but we have the urgent need of NOW, so I am issuing an executive order that will put this legislation into effect right now."
-Future Barack Obama

What would have stopped Obama from changing the effective date of the Immigration Legislation??

You see, that's the problem when constantly lying and making end runs around legislation..

You lose the trust and it's almost impossible to get it back..

Obama and the Democrats simply cannot be trusted..

That's the bed they made and this is exactly what I predicted would happen..

Nothing can get done because no one can believe what Democrats and Obama says...

Michale

It's that simple..

Given Obama's history it is probable, to the point of certainty, that Obama simply will enact the amnesty portions of the legislation and ignore the security portions.."
The Democrats addressed this "concern" of the GOP by offering to have the bill not go into effect until after 2016, and they still refused.

So why didn't Boehner do what he promised he was going to do, and pass his OWN legislation, step by step?

He knows the Senate's not going to pass it as-is, but it would have been useful to him as a political talking point. Yet he couldn't even manage to do that.

Everyone knew he wasn't going to bring the Senate bill to the floor, but that still doesn't explain why he couldn't get his own House in order (so to speak).

-CW

It IS good legislation that addresses security before amnesty...

The reason why Boehner won't pass it is because Obama simply cannot be trusted to faithfully execute the legislation as it is written..

It's that simple..

Given Obama's history it is probable, to the point of certainty, that Obama simply will enact the amnesty portions of the legislation and ignore the security portions..

Given this all but certainty, Boehner and the Republicans would be totally stoopid to pass the Senate's Immigration legislation right now..

Once the GOP increases their control on the House and takes the Senate, THEN the GOP will have the clout to FORCE Obama to adhere to ALL parts of the Senate's Immigration legislation. Not just the parts Obama and the Democrats want to adhere to..

If ya'all can find a fault in my logic....

"Well, I'm all ears.."
-Ross Perot

:D

Michale