Comments on: Rape Victim Ad In Montana http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/ Reality-based political commentary Sun, 10 May 2026 13:21:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [306] -- End Of Reefer Madness? http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-49132 ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [306] -- End Of Reefer Madness? Sat, 31 May 2014 00:50:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-49132 [...] wrote recently about how Democrats should frame this issue, in the strongest terms possible. Representative Alan [...] [...] wrote recently about how Democrats should frame this issue, in the strongest terms possible. Representative Alan [...]

]]> By: Friday Talking Points — End Of Reefer Madness? | Gridtips http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-49131 Friday Talking Points — End Of Reefer Madness? | Gridtips Sat, 31 May 2014 00:38:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-49131 [...] wrote recently about how Democrats should frame this issue, in the strongest terms possible. Representative Alan [...] [...] wrote recently about how Democrats should frame this issue, in the strongest terms possible. Representative Alan [...]

]]> By: Friday Talking Points -- End Of Reefer Madness? | Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-49129 Friday Talking Points -- End Of Reefer Madness? | Chris Weigant Sat, 31 May 2014 00:35:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-49129 [...] please take note."    Championing incestuous fathers' parental rightsI wrote recently about how Democrats should frame this issue, in the strongest terms possible. Representative Alan [...] [...] please take note."    Championing incestuous fathers' parental rightsI wrote recently about how Democrats should frame this issue, in the strongest terms possible. Representative Alan [...]

]]> By: Friday Talking Points — From Bears to Zombies | InfoClose http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-48978 Friday Talking Points — From Bears to Zombies | InfoClose Mon, 26 May 2014 10:45:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-48978 [...] you find this week’s talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana — which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...] [...] you find this week’s talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana — which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...]

]]> By: Friday Talking Points [305] — From Bears to Zombies « Democrats for Progress http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-48915 Friday Talking Points [305] — From Bears to Zombies « Democrats for Progress Sat, 24 May 2014 02:42:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-48915 [...] you find this week’s talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana — which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...] [...] you find this week’s talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana — which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...]

]]> By: Friday Talking Points -- From Bears To Zombies | Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-48911 Friday Talking Points -- From Bears To Zombies | Chris Weigant Sat, 24 May 2014 02:16:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-48911 [...] response).If you find this week's talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana -- which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...] [...] response).If you find this week's talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana -- which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...]

]]> By: ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [305] -- From Bears To Zombies http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-48907 ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [305] -- From Bears To Zombies Sat, 24 May 2014 01:22:20 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-48907 [...] you find this week's talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana -- which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...] [...] you find this week's talking points a bit too zany, well, earlier this week I wrote a much more serious column about a political ad from Montana -- which features a rape survivor talking about what a [...]

]]> By: DisabledDoc http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-48863 DisabledDoc Thu, 22 May 2014 13:05:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-48863 The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology defines pregnancy as beginning at implantation in the uterus (sadly, many Ob/Gyns do not know that). Therefore, these new 'personhood' laws actually try to declare a person to exist before a pregnancy officially starts. Obviously, there are a lot of problems with that, far beyond the need for exceptions for rape and incest victims. (It is also incorrect that these are statistically rare; recent research shows that pregnancy actually occurs MORE commonly after rape than would be expected from single-incident intercourse, not less). Part of the reason for ACOG's choice of definition, I suspect, is that pregnancy tests are unlikely to ever be developed that turn positive before implantation. Another part is to exclude ectopic pregnancy -- pregnancy outside the uterus (usually in the fallopian tube). These must be surgically removed or treated with methotrexate when discovered, or they have a high likelihood of killing the mother. It used to be thought that they rarely developed far enough to have a heartbeat, but better ultrasound proved that wrong. Many ectopics do indeed have a heartbeat. Unfortunately, the chance of a viable pregnancy is nil, as the tube cannot expand enough to contain a pregnancy. If nothing were done, in 80-90% of cases the mother would die of hemorrhage from a ruptured tube, and the rest of the time the pregnancy would miscarry into the abdomen, causing pain and scarring that could prevent future pregnancy; there would be no successful pregnancies. Many of these 'personhood' laws are written in such a way that they could make treatment of ectopic pregnancy illegal. Nor is ectopic a rare occurrence -- as a general Ob/gyn, I dealt with one every month or two. The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology defines pregnancy as beginning at implantation in the uterus (sadly, many Ob/Gyns do not know that). Therefore, these new 'personhood' laws actually try to declare a person to exist before a pregnancy officially starts. Obviously, there are a lot of problems with that, far beyond the need for exceptions for rape and incest victims. (It is also incorrect that these are statistically rare; recent research shows that pregnancy actually occurs MORE commonly after rape than would be expected from single-incident intercourse, not less). Part of the reason for ACOG's choice of definition, I suspect, is that pregnancy tests are unlikely to ever be developed that turn positive before implantation. Another part is to exclude ectopic pregnancy -- pregnancy outside the uterus (usually in the fallopian tube). These must be surgically removed or treated with methotrexate when discovered, or they have a high likelihood of killing the mother. It used to be thought that they rarely developed far enough to have a heartbeat, but better ultrasound proved that wrong. Many ectopics do indeed have a heartbeat. Unfortunately, the chance of a viable pregnancy is nil, as the tube cannot expand enough to contain a pregnancy. If nothing were done, in 80-90% of cases the mother would die of hemorrhage from a ruptured tube, and the rest of the time the pregnancy would miscarry into the abdomen, causing pain and scarring that could prevent future pregnancy; there would be no successful pregnancies. Many of these 'personhood' laws are written in such a way that they could make treatment of ectopic pregnancy illegal. Nor is ectopic a rare occurrence -- as a general Ob/gyn, I dealt with one every month or two.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/05/21/rape-victim-ad-in-montana/#comment-48859 Michale Thu, 22 May 2014 09:57:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=9123#comment-48859 For obvious reasons, I don't have a dog in this hunt. And I am on record at expressing disdain for the GOP's position that life begins at "Gee, yer hot..." But let me ask you this.. Would you be for the legislation if it carved out exemptions for victims of sexual assaults and rapes?? The reason I ask is that you seem to be railing against the lack of logical and rational exemptions, rather than the legislation itself.. I am just curious.. My own personal belief is that a fetus becomes a person when it can viably survive outside the mother.. I know that belief is fraught with equivalences (both actual and false) and has little scientific basis.. It's just my gut... <B>"Does it work?" "It's what we got."</B> -DEMOLITION MAN Michale For obvious reasons, I don't have a dog in this hunt. And I am on record at expressing disdain for the GOP's position that life begins at "Gee, yer hot..."

But let me ask you this..

Would you be for the legislation if it carved out exemptions for victims of sexual assaults and rapes??

The reason I ask is that you seem to be railing against the lack of logical and rational exemptions, rather than the legislation itself..

I am just curious..

My own personal belief is that a fetus becomes a person when it can viably survive outside the mother..

I know that belief is fraught with equivalences (both actual and false) and has little scientific basis..

It's just my gut...

"Does it work?"
"It's what we got."
-DEMOLITION MAN

Michale

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