I never said making coverage available to the uninsured wasn't a goal. I said it isn't the primary goal. It isn't what Obamacare is all about. "Giving more Americans access" means All Americans, not just the uninsured. Eliminating lifetime caps and preconditions, reducing costs so lower deductibles are affordable makes coverage more accessible to those who ALREADY have insurance as well.

I could care less what everyone on the right says, or what the uninformed who parrot their spin say. Obamacare is about healthcare reforms to keep spiraling costs from making healthcare unaffordable for EVERYONE, including the United States government. It simply does it in a way that ALSO makes coverage more accessible to the uninsured as part of making coverage more accessible to EVERYONE.

Perhaps you should begin rethinking your positions when the only argument you've got is "everyone in the right-wing bubble says...."

RIGHT up to the point that relatively NO UNINSURED Americans were signing up for TrainWreckCare..

"We are at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia"

Michale

Spin all you want, LD. But you are alone when you think that bringing health insurance to the uninsured was NOT one of TrainWreckCare's goals..

Michale

You REALLY only see what you want to see don't you? In YOUR cite reducing costs is STILL two of the three goals, and the uninsured aren't even mentioned. Unchecked Medicare was forecast to be unsustainable do to rising healthcare costs.

You wingers may actually believe the federal government is all about giving away your money as handouts to poor people, but it just ain't so. ACA is about preventing GOVERNMENT healthcare costs from bankrupting the nation. It just found a way to reduce its costs while reducing everyone elses, and expanding coverage to the uninsured as well.

I see your WikiPedia and raise you ObamacareFacts.com

• ObamaCare's goal is to give more Americans access to affordable, quality health insurance, and to reduce the growth in health care spending in the U.S.
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

Time for you to fold.. :D

Michale

Let me also point out that your Daily Caller cite is as misleading as your claim that the ACA WASN'T "bipartisan." The blogger in the piece wasn't censored. He seems to be under the bizarre impression that being paid by someone to write for them means he can write whatever he wants, however he wants and express his opinions instead of his employers.

For all the other "journalists" with IQs less than their shoe size, the first amendment doesn't guarantee you can take a salary for doing one thing and then do as you please just because you consider yourself to be a journalist. And not being allowed to do as you please is not "censorship." If you want to write whatever you please you either have to find someone willing to pay you for it or write freelance.

And as the majority of the ACA was created by Republicans it could hardly be more "bipartisan." You don't get to redefine words in the English language to suit yourself. Legislation does not have to have votes from both parties to be bipartisan. That's a "new rule" created by Republicans just so they could claim that their unprecedented obstructionism means a lack of bipartisanship on the part of Democrats. It does not. That's a lie. ANOTHER lie.

"The ACA was enacted with the goals of increasing the quality and affordability of health insurance, lowering the uninsured rate by expanding public and private insurance coverage, and reducing the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

Note that of the three goals two are reducing costs, throughout the healthcare system. Now, lets see YOUR refutations, and I don't mean opinion pieces.

It's amazing that stuff like this is common knowledge..

Yet Obama still garners unquestioning loyalty and blind devotion from the majority of the Left..

WHY???

From his counter terrorism policies to his domestic surveillance to his utter lack of transparency to his persecution of whistle blowers...

Everything Obama has done in those areas has been ten times as bad as anything Bush had EVER did...

And yet, Obama STILL has the support...

Again...

WHY???

Can anyone answer that question honestly and truthfully???

Michale

There is a BI-PARTISAN bill in the House that just passed with MANY Democrats signing on that will reduce the Individual Mandate Penalty to $0...

This is a BI-PARTISAN bill (as opposed to TrainWreckCare itself, which was ALL Democrats and ZERO Republicans) so it's clear that Democrats are also against the Individual Mandate Penalty..

Let's see how the White House and Obama spins THIS, eh? :D

Michale

Did you REALLY just say that?!??

The NUMBER ONE REASON for TrainWreckCare was to bring health insurance to the uninsured. That is what was quoted time and time again by Obama and the Democrats..

Dood, you are SERIOUSLY delusional in your Obama fixation..

But, I tell ya what. I am always a fair guy..

If you can get ONE Weigantian to back you up with this claim, I'll seriously consider that you might be right.

Then I will post link after link after link after link proving you and your backer utterly wrong..

So, let's let the peanut gallery decide..

Does anyone else believe that bringing health insurance to the uninsured was NOT one of the top reasons, if not THE top reason, for TrainWreckCare??

Anyone at all??

CW,

Anytime you're willing to concede defeat on this one, just let me know... something about a "picnic" as I recall...

Tell ya what, CW. Like I told LD above, I am a fair guy..

Let's let March percolate til, say.. Mid April...

If Obama's numbers are STILL above 40%, then I will concede that I was wrong and ya'all were right..

BUT.....

If Obama's numbers are BELOW 40% than ya'all concede that I was right and ya'all were wrong...

Can't get more of a fair deal than that, eh? :D

What say ya'all??

Michale

I'd also direct you to this handy chart, so you can see how my predictions are coming true, while yours are not:

http://www.chrisweigant.com/cw/wp-content/themes/crispy2/pix/opwpix/bhovgwb.jpg

Man, I should've put some serious quatloos down on this one...

-CW

OK, we've all been listening to your predictions of Obama entering Dubya territory for months now.

Here are the facts:

GW Bush, in February: 37.4% approval
March: 35.6
April: 33.6

Obama, February: 43.3%
March: ?
April: ?

Anytime you're willing to concede defeat on this one, just let me know... something about a "picnic" as I recall...

:-)

-CW

Seriously--You REALLY need to check in with reality once in a while. Insuring the uninsured was a BONUS not the goal of Obamacare. That's the Right's welfare dog-whistle spin on Obamacare. The GOAL of Obamacare is to rein in COSTS across the board.

And your "only 10%" of those signing up were uninsured means 90% are INSURED who SWITCHED to using the exchanges to get a better deal. Apparently Obamacare is reducing costs and making healthcare more affordable.--Go figure.

And, somehow, YOU managed to miss the obvious and come to the exact opposite (and completely erroneous) conclusion. (Why am I not surprised?) Based on nothing but your prejudice.

That the insured would only switch to using the exchanges if they offered better deals is self-evident. That the uninsured are not enrolling?!--Assumes facts not in evidence. That all uninsured aren't immediately enrolling? No surprise there. That's what the progressive tax penalties are for. To alter behavior and compliance, over time. Extrapolating the failure of Obamacare from the lack of immediate universal compliance is a Right-wing straw-man. And yet another example of your faulty logic.

The ACA had two distinct and specific goals.

To make healthcare affordable and to make sure those who are uninsured..

On the first, it's obvious that obamacare has failed. There are NOTHING affordable about obamacare...

Now, we come to find out that the second aspect of obamacare is ALSO a miserable failure...

LESS than 10% of those signing up for obamacare were previously uninsured.

LESS THAN 10%!!!!

So, obamacare is NOT bringing health insurance to the uninsured masses and obamacare is NOT bring healthcare costs down to the 'affordable' mark.

Now matter WHAT litmus test you use, obamacare is a train wreck...

The facts are clear...

Michale

Further, March is the final deadline for TrainWreckCare and will also be the time that actual payments will have to start going to the insurance companies.

Unless Obama does another delay to help out Democrats in the upcoming mid-terms, of course...

So, my prediction that Obama's numbers are going to tank can still come true..

But Obama is still way underwater.. More people think Obama is doing a crappy job than think he is doing a good job..

I have even noticed a shift here in Weigantia as well..

So, see!?? Miracles CAN happen!! :D

Michale