This is exactly what I mean.

It's fully accepted by EVERYONE (even the proponents of the theory) that there has been no statistically significant warming in the last 2-3 decades..

early 90's IPCC projections of sea level rise between 1990 and 2010 were accurate, though the actual rise was at the high end of their projection.

Cite

i can explain, but it's up to you to actually understand and take it in. one, it takes time for changes in CO2 to have an impact on heat retention.

According to ice core samples, in history, rising temps PRECEDED rise in CO2 levels..

So, we should be seeing those high temps already..

two, there HAS been a significant rise in overall temperatures, just not air temperatures.

Again, cite??

And you'll provide "science" that says you are right and I'll provide "science" that says you are wrong and so it will go and so it will go..

And THAT is my entire point. There is "science" to support each theory.

It all comes down to what one WANTS to believe.

Me?

I believe that the question is still open..

Why??

Because that's what the science, ALL the science, says...

If one doesn't take into account ALL the science, then that is not science.

That's faith...

Michale

there isn't, because it hasn't.

Show me a climate model that predicted ANYTHING accurately??

early 90's IPCC projections of sea level rise between 1990 and 2010 were accurate, though the actual rise was at the high end of their projection.

And yet, not ONE SINGLE SCIENTIST can explain why CO2 emissions have risen dramatically over the past couple decades and yet, there has been no, repeat.. NO statistically significant rise in temps..

i can explain, but it's up to you to actually understand and take it in. one, it takes time for changes in CO2 to have an impact on heat retention. two, there HAS been a significant rise in overall temperatures, just not air temperatures.

that was simple, and i'm just a social scientist.

JL

And yet, not ONE SINGLE SCIENTIST can explain why CO2 emissions have risen dramatically over the past couple decades and yet, there has been no, repeat.. NO statistically significant rise in temps..

"Can you explain that, Colonel? The truth is, there was no transfer order. Santiago wasn't going anywhere. Isn't that right, Colonel."
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

If you would like to read from a REAL scientist, as opposed to a political whore of a "scientist"

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/14/mit-professor-urging-climate-change-activists-to-slow-down/

He's an actual CLIMATE scientist. Not like the train conductor "scientist" that runs the IPCC...

Michale

Really??

Show me a climate model that predicted the suspending of Global Warming..

Show me a climate model that predicted ANYTHING accurately??

You can't because none exists..

On the other hand, I can point to HUNDREDS of IPCC fear mongering predictions that NEVER came to pass. I can point to HUNDREDS of IPCC fear mongering predictions that we're PROVEN and DEMONSTRABLY wrong....

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. :D

What makes your priests right and the other priests wrong??

Numbers??

Michale

Perhaps. Or perhaps in a hundred years most of florida will be below sea level. Or perhaps something in-between. Or perhaps something even more extreme than al gore's most hysterical scenarios. Your assertion that scientific climate models have been universally inaccurate isn't the case. climate is a complex thing, but scientific knowledge of it has grown light years over the past couple decades.

"Read a book!"
~ Handy - 'The Tick'

JL

Actually, the number is closer to 2 million..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/13/us-usa-healthcare-idUSBREA0C1GM20140113?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637

And, of those 2 million, only 20% are young people..

Train Wreck Care needs about 40% of young people to be viable...

Michale

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Another government bail-out in the works..

The AFFORDABLE Care Act is ANYTHING but "affordable"...

Insurance costs are going to skyrocket and the US tax payers will be on the hook for over $25 BILLION dollars to bail out the Insurance Companies....

How do you like your Train Wreck Care now??

About the only silver lining to all this is that it will happen right before the 2016 POTUS elections.. It will serve to emphasize how completely and utterly ill-equipped Democrats are as leaders...

Michale

Harry Reid Blocks Iran Sanctions Vote
Obama tougher on Congress than Iran.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/harry-reid-blocks-iran-sanctions-vote_774165.html

Looks like Harry Reid didna listen to you, CW..

Reid is going to allow Obama to kiss Iran's ass.... :^/

Driving our Middle East allies straight into the arms of China and Russia..

Michale

Surprise! Walmart health plan is cheaper, offers more coverage than Obamacare
http://washingtonexaminer.com/surprise-walmart-health-plan-is-cheaper-offers-more-coverage-than-obamacare/article/2541670

:D

Michale

I am also constrained to point out that science is not a popularity contest. It's not a "majority rules" kind o' thing...

97% of "scientists" thought the world was flat.

They were wrong..

97% of "scientists" thought that the sun revolved around the earth.

They were wrong..

100 years from now, when we know a buttload more about climatology than we do now, the 97% of scientists who believe that humankind can actually affect planetary climate will likely look as silly and as moronic as the flat-earth "scientists" look today.

Michale

You have a theory.

You create computer models to test your theory.
You make predictions, based on those computer models.

And you are NEVER right.. Not ONE of your models works. Not ONE of your predictions come to pass..

Now, what would common sense dictate?

Common sense dictates that you MUST adjust your theory to accomadate this new reality.

But that's not what the IPCC does. That's not what these so-called "scientists" do. What THEY do is that they adjust reality to fit their flawed models and totally inaccurate predictions. They don't adjust the theory to fit the data, they adjust the data to fit the theory. They fudge the data. They hide the decline..

Not only does that violate EVERY precept of science and the scientific method, it totally decimates common sense..

Put another way.

Let's say you and I build a T.I.D. A Temporal Incursion Device. Using this device, we totally obliterate the human race from existence. Human beings never EVER existed.

(Yea, I know.. If human beings never existed, how could we build a TID to obliterate the human race?? Go with me on this.. :D)

Anyways, Earth is a planet that has NEVER seen human kind. We'll even go so far as to postulate that NO INTELLIGENT LIFE has ever evolved here.

(Some would say no intelligent life has ever evolved here anyways, but again. Go with me on this. :D)

So, we have a planet totally devoid of sentient life forms.

Would the planet still experience Climate Change?? Of course..

Would there still be huge storms and blistering heat? Of course..

Would there still be massive blizzards and destructive hurricanes? Of course..

Given that, given that there would be all the things happening now with or without humans, isn't it LOGICAL to at least ENTERTAIN the possibility that human kind's impact on the planetary weather system is not NEARLY as disruptive as the politicians would have us believe??

I mean, just ignore the science (for the moment) and look at it from a common sense point of view..

What does common sense dictate about a theory that has absolutely NO TRACK RECORD for being accurate???

What does common sense dictate about a planet that would experience Climate Change, experience destructive storms and experience all sorts of insane weather events WITHOUT having ANY intelligent life on the planet??

What does common sense tell you?

overwhelming worldwide scientific consensus can be and has been wrong at times,

But that's my point. There is no "overwhelming" scientific consensus.

THAT is the myth...

Michale

What makes them wrong and the scientists that follow a political agenda right???

i have no idea what researchers' motivations or prejudices might be, regardless of whether they are part of the 97% who think global warming is excessive and caused by humans, or the 3% who think it is within the normal range and/or caused mainly by non-human factors.

overwhelming worldwide scientific consensus can be and has been wrong at times, but that is the exception, not the rule. anti-consensus views are most often due to differing areas of specialization - scientists focused mainly on their own area of expertise and not seeing the whole picture. the trouble politically is that grant money obfuscates in both directions. for my money, the hard data are on the side of human causes, al gore and davis guggenheim notwithstanding.

JL

It will be interesting to see what the new week brings..

I'de be interested to read any of these "success" stories that are allegedly out there.. :D

Michale

Historically high rate???

{{cough}} Medieval Warming Period {{cough}} {{cough}}

As far as consensus???

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html#

WHAT consensus???

Richard Lindzen

Judith Curry

William Happer

John Christy

Freeman Dyson

These are SCIENTISTS

CLIMATE scientists

Physicists

PEER-REVIEWED

What makes them wrong and the scientists that follow a political agenda right???

Don't tell me, let me guess.

THEY are bought by "big oil" and the scientists that follow the political agenda are completely untainted by the BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars dolled out by government grants and UN corruption...

And I have some swampland in FL I wanna sell you.. :D

There is no consensus...

You may be right...

But you also may be wrong..

THAT is the long and short of it....

Michale

Yer right.. I should strive for accuracy...

How about:

Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Not Warming Nearly As Fast As The Prevailing Theories Vis A Vis CO2 Causations)

Or this:

Human Caused Global Warming (Yet Not ONE Frakin' Model/Prediction Has ever, EVER Been Accurate)

Either one is a pretty dead on ballz assessment of the current religion...

Michale

Why isn't the temps rising as fast as the CO2 concentrations??

Perhaps there are other factors at work, no??

There are PLENTY of scientists that show those other factors have much more of an impact than puny little humans..

Their science is just as valid, but it's ignored in favor of a POLITICAL agenda...

Michale

is the "planet is cooling" part facetious as well? based on coordinated measurements of heat exchange, it's certainly not accurate.

And yet, plenty of other scientists have different theories...

it's one thing to posit a different theory of causality or predictive model. it's another to take a factual measurement and claim that the opposite is true. the planet overall has been warming at a historically high rate. That's a fact, surface air temperature fluctuations notwithstanding.

This is so dead on ballz accurate, it's scary..

It's my biggest beef with the Left in general and Wiegantians.... With VERY few exceptions, no one here believes that there is ANY valid criticism of Obama...

That's what chaps my ass....

Michale

I need to FINISH reading comments before I shoot from the hip...

Apologies, JL... :D

Michale

Sounds like Obama to a Tee.... :D

Umm, isn't that what you just did?

Yea, but *I* do it to point out how ridiculous, how MORONIC, it is to take one minute moment in time and ascribe an entire planet's climate to that one relatively insignificant planetary even...

In other words, I am being facetious. The Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Cooling) fanatics actually believe their own press...

"Fascinating"
-Spock

Surface temperature, the measurement you reference as global warming evidence, accounts for about 3% of global heat change, while 90% of the change in heat globally has been absorbed by the oceans. data from the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) in australia, and other world-wide sources, provide nearly incontrovertible evidence for the overall heat gain of the globe.

And yet, plenty of other scientists have different theories..

Funny, iddn't it??

I've explained this before, and if it doesn't eventually sink in I may need to keep something on hand to copy/paste in every time you repeat your hypothesis that human-influenced global warming is all myth.

I never said it's a myth..

But it IS only a theory..

A scientific theory that is, apparently, VERY flawed since not ONE SINGLE PREDICTION or MODEL has been accurate..

NOT.... ONE.... SINGLE..... ONE.....

It got so bad, that the IPCC had to re-market the religion to try and obtain more converts..

The current theory STILL ignores scientific fact such as the Medieval Warming Period and a plethora of other established facts...

The only "myth" here is that there is a consensus...

Michale

Still no "success stories" to counter ALL the horror stories??

There are just as many success stories as horror stories - probably more, if you're interested in looking for them. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I've always thought the overall impact of Obamacare would be modest, notwithstanding a certain percentage of outliers on either side. At least for the moment, I've seen enough evidence on both sides to continue to reserve judgment.

Warriors for the middle class, my ass!!

On this point, I have to agree with you. Although the consumer financial protection board has been a step in the right direction, pro-corporate, anti-populist policy seems to be a given no matter who is in the white house.

that one day we had a HIGH of 34 degrees!!! If it would have rained, it would have snowed!!

'Sides.. The Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Cooling) fanatics like to pick specific weather events and point to that as "proof positive" that humans are causing climate change..

Umm, isn't that what you just did?

I've explained this before, and if it doesn't eventually sink in I may need to keep something on hand to copy/paste in every time you repeat your hypothesis that human-influenced global warming is all myth.

Surface temperature, the measurement you reference as global warming evidence, accounts for about 3% of global heat change, while 90% of the change in heat globally has been absorbed by the oceans. data from the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) in australia, and other world-wide sources, provide nearly incontrovertible evidence for the overall heat gain of the globe.

JL

As to whether Gov. Christie qualifies as bully, that's a tougher question. As of last month, I live and work quite close to the bridge that all the hubbub is about. Every work day there I have walked through halls that encourage urban students to "stop bullying." but I'm not so sure most people take the time to stop and reflect on what the word really means.

Many teachers in NJ believe fervently that Christie's political behavior toward them is a form of bullying. Why? The defintions for bullying, with which most teachers are intimately familiar, have three key elements. One is an unequal power dynamic, two is a pattern of repeatedly targeting the same person or group, and three is the use of some form of coercion or social exclusion. Dan Olweus, for decades the foremost authority on the research of bullying, set up a series of paramenters to determine whether a scenario was or wasn't bullying. If you sift through the types of comments Christie and his staff have made about certain groups over the course of his tenure as governor, I think it comes fairly close to that line. I make no claim to impartiality on the subject, but I think I'm expert enough for my opinion's credibility to at least be above average. Depending on how strict a definition one uses, it's within the realm of the reasonable to call this pattern bullying.

From Christie's own perspective, I'm sure his desired political ends justify the means he uses. based on his actions on other issues, I have no doubt at all that he fervently believes himself to be acting in the best interest of New Jersey's citizens. Michale's assertion about President Obama's behavior may be excessive, but there is a parallel I can see; both men seem to exist among so much hyperbole that they may not see the kernel of valid criticism amidst all the noise.

JL

If you use the creative accounting numbers by the Obama Administration, I could see how you might arrive at that 9 million number..

But still no discussion on the people who got their insurance cancelled??

Still no "success stories" to counter ALL the horror stories??

How come??

Hospitals not overwhelmed

Yet again, the doomsayers were wrong.

Were they???

I can point to story after story of Doctors being put on hold for HOURS to confirm insurance and hospitals not being able to match insurance with real people..

Sure, it's not End Of Days, but don't be lulled into thinking everything is peachy keen wonderful...

The War on the War On Poverty

You DO realize that the poverty rolls have grown immensely under Obama right??

The Obama Administration has epitomized "The Rich Get Richer And The Poor Get Poorer"...

Warriors for the middle class, my ass!!

The mainstream media, in the past few weeks, have proved once again that "the weather" is the ultimate shiny, shiny object which the kittenish news anchors cannot resist, no matter how normal the story truly is. I mean, how many times can America realistically believe that "It Gets Cold In Winter" is some sort of breaking story? Look for the groundbreaking followup series "It Gets Hot In Summer," which will run in six months' time, just like clockwork.

When it's colder in Chicago than it is at the South Pole, that's newsworthy.

When I am sitting in sunny FL in the middle of the day and it's THIRTY FOUR FRAKIN' Degrees!!! That is newsworthy.. :D

I shit you not, that one day we had a HIGH of 34 degrees!!! If it would have rained, it would have snowed!!

'Sides.. The Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Cooling) fanatics like to pick specific weather events and point to that as "proof positive" that humans are causing climate change..

Why shouldn't everyone else jump on the "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" bandwagon.. :D

As to the legalization issue that's been on-going....

Food for thought.. Such a cash-only business is perfect, almost tailor made, for organized crime.. Further, do you think the Sinola or Baja Cartels are going to take a 1.45 BILLION dollar hit to their business and NOT respond???

Mexican cartels already had a HUGE presence in Colorado... Look for this legalization issue to bring them all out of the shadows.. And not in a good way..

Also look for a plethora of CCW applications.. Which is ironic because it's... well.. Colorado...

Aspects that the pro-drugs crowd failed to take into account...

Michale

With the utmost respect, no one here has ANY moral authority or foundation to call out Gov Christie on his bullying...

No one here said squat when Obama bullied WWII Veterans and bullied the American people (thru the Park Service) during the shutdown, so no one here has ANY soapbox to stand on to point fingers at Gov Christie..

Having said that, when Obama bullied reporters (via his DOJ) over their reporting, CW was the LONE voice who spoke out against that...

Ergo, he (CW) DOES have some moral standing...

Beyond the fact that it's his frakin' "house" I mean.. :D

I'll get to the rest later... I'm beat...

Michale