Another useless CongressCritter thinking that the law doesn't apply to them...

We reap what we sow, people...

It's that simple...

Michale

My apologies for not approving your first comment before now (it's number [3], above, meaning it's been waiting for awhile now...)

First off, welcome to the site!

Your first comment was held for moderation, but from now on you should be able to post instantly. As long as you only post one link per comment, your comments will appear immediately after you post them. If you post multiple links per comment, then it will automatically be held for moderation (to cut down on comment spam).

Anyway, welcome to the site, and sorry again for the massive delay in seeing your first comment!

-CW

http://sjfm.us/temp/mfccobama.jpg

:D

Democrat CongressCritter Nick Rahall felt that Obama's proclamation lacked legal standing...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dem-rep-obama-lacks-legal-underpinning-obamacare-fix_767311.html

This is from a Democrat, mind you...

Michale

The fact that Obama has been exposed for the complete and utter incompetent he is..

Or that I have been so dead on ballz accurate about obamacare...

It's a question for the ages to ponder.. :D

Michale

Long on histronics, low-to-non-existent on facts..

The long and short of it is simple..

obamacare has failed.

obamacare has EPICALY failed..

Now, LD can argue what the definition of "is" is until the cows come home..

You can throw out ad-hominem attacks left and right..

But NONE of that can change one simple fact.

obamacare has failed...

I think he ends up there because underneath it all he knows that today's repubs are swine, but he can't admit it.

I have had absolutely NO TROUBLE admitting that. I say it everyday.

What YOU don't get is that your Democrats are EQUALLY swine-ish...

THAT's the point you miss..

As long as he can insist that all politicians are bad,

AND has the facts to back it up....

he can stand above or beside and criticize while, in his mind, keeping his hands clean.

Damn skippy I can..

Ya'all can't say the same... :D

Michale

Obama took responsibility for the Healthcare.gov website problems -- this is something so utterly alien to republicanism that Michale cannot properly process it.

Michale refers to the ACA as as ponzi scheme and completely misses or dismisses the facts and history that you brought to your arguments. He doesn't actually have a clue about what the law does and is meant to do -- he's just a right-wing-talking-point delivery machine. These weaselly repubs are capable of changing their minds in seconds because they live in response-mode-only and reflexively oppose anything Obama or Dems support. There's nothing underneath their opposition -- no underlying principles or beliefs.

Context is way too complicated for them and Michale has demonstrated repeatedly his inability to accurately assess context. He basically has one response: "both sides do it" which he feels exonerates repubs for all their actions. That's where he always lands when beaten down by facts.

I think he ends up there because underneath it all he knows that today's repubs are swine, but he can't admit it. So he engages in elaborate rationalizations.

As long as he can insist that all politicians are bad, he can stand above or beside and criticize while, in his mind, keeping his hands clean.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/16/obama-rallies-supporters-monday-evening-to-save-obamacare/

As I said, Obama is admitting everything you are denying...

And he is coming across as desperate as well..

Bad thing to see in a leader...

Michale

Another example of the Keystone Kops atmosphere that permeates the White House and it's governing process..

One really has to wonder what kind of country Obama is going to leave his successor...

If past is prologue, it ain't gonna be pretty...

Michale

Ahhhh.. It's all the greedy insurance companies fault...

Obama and obamacare are completely blameless??

Hmmmmm That seems to be at odds with Obama's latest presser... His very own words, saying that his administration is to blame for the mess..

That's a statement on the official government position. He was "speaking for himself" as the D.C Commissioner of Insurance not as a private citizen.

Exactly. He was speaking for his department. That's his JOB... But because he spoke up against The One, he was executed..

And polls also show the majority of Americans are in favor of what ACA does.

No... Americans are in favor of what obamacare was SUPPOSED to do..

Bring insurance to the masses...

Lower the costs of insurance...

obamacare is an epic fail, by ANY measure you want to put forth..

obamacare has NEVER enjoyed support from the vast majority of Americans...

Not ONCE in it's entire history...

THAT alone should tell you something..

And ACA is bipartisan because it was crafted from the Republican proposals instead of the Democratic ones. Democrats wanted single-payer, and many are still upset with Obama for "selling-out" to the Republicans. It isn't going back in history to the beginning if time. Its looking at the entire legislative effort that generated ACA instead of dishonestly pretending the process began and ended with the final votes.

Regardless, the accepted definition of "bi partisan" has always had to do with the voting process...

You can't change the definition now, just because the accepted definition doesn't fit your agenda..

It's against the rules.. :D

But, if you must..

Yes. By your verbally twisted and archaic definition of "bi partisan", then obamacare was bi partisan..

But ONLY by your at-the-moment definition of bi partisan..

Michale

Policies that are substandard may no longer be offered to new policyholders. The law specifically states that existing policies may be renewed. It dies not require any policies be cancelled. Any cancellations are solely at the discretion of insurers, not because of ACA.

The D.C. Commissioner said he hadn't decided whether to allow substandard policies through 2014 as Obama authorized in his "fix." That's a statement on the official government position. He was "speaking for himself" as the D.C Commissioner of Insurance not as a private citizen. Since he was "unsure" what policy he would follow the mayor replaced him with someone who knew his policies would reflect those of the mayor and the city.

And polls also show the majority of Americans are in favor of what ACA does. Its ACA they're against, though less so than Obamacare. Which only proves that the anti-ACA polls are meaningless with regard to assessing popularity of healthcare reform, as the public is massively misinformed and confused. Due, in no small part, to the relentless efforts of Republicans to accomplish just that.

And ACA is bipartisan because it was crafted from the Republican proposals instead of the Democratic ones. Democrats wanted single-payer, and many are still upset with Obama for "selling-out" to the Republicans. It isn't going back in history to the beginning if time. Its looking at the entire legislative effort that generated ACA instead of dishonestly pretending the process began and ended with the final votes.

In many states, the recovery is making the income gap worse
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/11/18/in-many-states-the-recovery-is-worsening-the-income-gap/

Michale

There's a reason for that.. :D

See my last few hundred comments.. :D

Michale

You'll have to clarify that...

Ooops, you did. :D

ACA is a bipartisan plan despite no Republican having voted for it. And no Republican voting for it certainly doesn't mean Democrats created it. Its creation is due to Republicans. Its enactment is due to Democrats. That's what makes it bipartisan.

Sure... If you change the definition of "bi-partisan" to mean you follow a piece of legislation all the way back to the first person that had a brain fart..

If we go by THAT definition, I am sure I can pin Bush's economic missteps on Democrats without breaking a sweat..

But, to date, the term 'bi-partisan' means the voting process..

You can dance around definitions and try to change what 'is' means, but the simple fact is, it is universally accepted as fact that obamacare is solely, completely and unequivocally owned by the Democrats...

As to Obama didn't lie? Your explanation ignores the facts.

First, obamacare defines what is and is not a 'good' policy based solely and completely on an arbitrary set of parameters whose ONLY goal is revenue stimulation, NOT the needs of the insuree...

So, when obamcare became effective, almost 15 million Americans had policies that obamacare deemed unsat...

Therefore, BY LAW (ya know, the pesky law that was enacted 1 Oct) those policies had to be cancelled by the insurance issuers..

They were... Millions of Americans have received cancellation notices despite Obama's promise that, "if you have insurance and you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

Obama KNEW that up to 60% of those insured would lose those insurance plans when he made the 30-40+ statements...

That is the textbook definition of a lie...

Finally, the D.C. Commissioner had nothing to do with Obama. He was fired by the mayor for making statements as the city representative that were not the actual position of the mayor and city. Something which invariable would get anyone fired.

Not according to the article. The Commissioner made clear he was speaking for himself as the head of the Insurance Commission..

Even if what you say is true (of which you offer no evidence) is FIRING the guy the right thing to do??

Is the Mayor's head so far up Obama's ass that, if one of his underlings says something against The One, that he must be (career-wise) executed???

As for your claim the majority of Americans are against Obamacare, you've been beating that drum for years. Your polls may support you but we just had an election that said otherwise, and elections trump polls.

CURRENT polls trump old elections. Just like a Smith & Wesson trumps 5 Aces.. :D

Personally, I find the relative success of the five-year Republican effort to mislead and scare the public regarding Obamacare to be irrelevant to any discussion on the merits and liabilities of Obamacare.

I would agree... The gasbag eminations from the GOP for the past years ARE completely irrelevant to obamacare...

But the facts and the evidence of the here and now provide everything we need to know to PROVE beyond any doubt that obamacare is a train wreck..

From start to finish...

This is a loss, a huge loss, for Obama and the Democrats..

They sooner ya'all (and they) concede that and move on, the sooner that the Democratic Party agenda can get started rebuilding itself.

And the sooner I will shut up about how bad obamacare is.. :D

Admitting the problem is the first step..

Michale

My point was that cherry-picked true facts don't automatically prove the veracity of a statement. A fuller examination of relevant facts may prove just the opposite. ACA is a bipartisan plan despite no Republican having voted for it. And no Republican voting for it certainly doesn't mean Democrats created it. Its creation is due to Republicans. Its enactment is due to Democrats. That's what makes it bipartisan. The votes being partisan doesn't make ACA partisan. The votes were a political strategy. They lack the power to alter reality, whatever Republicans may profess.

And the facts prove Obama did not lie. The Republicans and media are misleading and misinforming, as usual. Nothing in ACA allows insurers to cancel policies, much less requires them to. If it happens, it isn't because of ACA. Insurers are cancelling substandard policy lines due to ACA, not individual policies. Individual policies remain in effect under whatever terms were originally contracted. ACA does nothing to prevent their renewal. Insurers choosing not to renew are doing so at their own discretion, not because ACA requires it. Policy lines cancelled "because of ACA" are not being cancelled because ACA requires cancellations, but because insurers believe ACA will allow them to make higher profits by cancelling them. I am also unimpressed by the cries of woe from people who suddenly profess not to understand the contracts they entered into. The only way to lock in a plan is, and always has been, to sign a long-term contract. If you don't have one you've never had a right to "keep your current coverage," and nothing Obama said ever promised one.

Finally, the D.C. Commissioner had nothing to do with Obama. He was fired by the mayor for making statements as the city representative that were not the actual position of the mayor and city. Something which invariable would get anyone fired.

As for your claim the majority of Americans are against Obamacare, you've been beating that drum for years. Your polls may support you but we just had an election that said otherwise, and elections trump polls. Personally, I find the relative success of the five-year Republican effort to mislead and scare the public regarding Obamacare to be irrelevant to any discussion on the merits and liabilities of Obamacare.

D.C. insurance commissioner fired a day after questioning Obamacare fix
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-insurance-commissioner-fired-a-day-after-questioning-obamacare-fix/2013/11/16/b88eaea0-4f17-11e3-9890-a1e0997fb0c0_story.html

Apparently, the rule of thumb around the Obama Administration is that the nail that stands tallest is the first one to get clobbered with the hammer..

Helluva way to run a railroad.... No wonder the tracks lead nowhere...

Michale

The Obama presidency is not over, but it is failing

With the exception of the debt ceiling debacle, he has fallen at almost every hurdle
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/736ec94a-4df5-11e3-8fa5-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2kzRzNMx0

This explains quite adequately the problem faced by Obama and the Democrats..

The "vast majority" of the American people simply don't trust Obama anymore..

Michale

It's not really relevant as to whether you are impressed or not..

The relavance is that THAT is how the "vast majority" of Americans are viewing things..

Especially a LOT of Democrat congresscritters...

Hence the panic amongst Democrats in Congress..

Ya'all ignore this at your own peril...

Michale

Well, maybe the arrogant and insufferable, but NEVER the other one.. :D

Michale

You KNOW I respect your intellect.. That is on and for the record..

But are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell people here that obamacare passed with COMPLETE and UNEQUIVOCAL Republican support?

That EVERY REPUBLICAN voted FOR obamacare??

Is THAT what you are really trying to say??

Because, if that is what you are saying, then we are either on different planets or in different dimensions or planes of existence..

I doubt you can convince ANYONE here that Republicans voted FOR obamacare in totality.

It just did NOT happen.

obamacare was passed STRICTLY along partisan lines. It was passed solely and completely with Democrat votes...

The ONLY bi-partisan part of the obamacare vote was the vote AGAINST obamacare..

And Obama is the President. He did not apologize for lying. He apologized, and took responsibility for the problem's people are experiencing and resolved to fix them.

Let us say, for the sake of the argument, that the following conversation between you and I transpires...

"LD, you are an insufferable and totally arrogant prick!!!"

"LD, I apologize that you felt offended when I called you an insufferable and totally arrogant prick"

You see the point??

Obama lied. This is fact..

Obama said, "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance"...

This was not factual.

Obama KNEW it was not factual, the 30-40+ times he said it..

THAT makes it a lie..

Obama lied..

This is documented as fact. I don't think you will find ANY Weigantian who is not a total partisan (ya'all know who you are) who will NOT concede that Obama lied...

Obama's "apology" for his lie was complete and utter bunk.. It's the kind of "apology" that I made above...

Obama didn't apologize for the lie. He acknowledged that he did lie, but his only "apology" was for and to the people who believed his lie and got scrooed over because of believing the lie...

You see the difference??

Obama lied. This is documented fact and not really up for any kind of debate...

The point here is whether his "apology" for lying was sincere and contrite.. It was not.. It was a blatant manipulation and was simply two-faced and bogus..

Pretty much what has come to be expected from Obama...

obamacare is going down. It simply cannot be salvaged.. It will die a withering and whimpering death..

Obama's approval rating is heading for the toilet.. He is going to look at Bush's approval rating at the end of THAT administration and WISH for such high numbers...

Remember.. You read it here first...

Michale

Obama’s political malpractice
washingtonpost.com/opinions/ruth-marcus-political-malpractice-of-the-highest-order/2013/11/14/e6b95abe-4d69-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html

Does the health-care fumble mean game over for Obama?
washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-does-health-care-fumble-mean-game-over-for-obama/2013/11/15/77dc0b0a-4dfa-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html

The sinking ship of Obamacare
washingtonpost.com/opinions/kathleen-parker-the-sinking-ship-of-obamacare/2013/11/15/9ee0eaaa-4e3a-11e3-ac54-aa84301ced81_story.html

The President Is Losing His Plan
nationalreview.com/corner/364038/president-losing-his-plan-yuval-levin

The writing is on the wall, people.. Democrats are panicking and actually supporting GOP legislation..

This time next month, we will all be discussing the passing of obamacare...

Michale

The "vast majority" of Americans have NEVER been supportive of obamacare.

NEVER.

Not ONCE in it's sordid 3+ year history has it enjoyed support of the "vast majority" of Americans..

And now the support it DID have is fading faster than (insert favorite humorous analogy here)...

The GOP and the "vast majority" of Americans are of a single mind regarding obamacare..

It stinks... Pure and simple..

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

Michale

Actually, to be more accurate, Obama apologized for people getting hurt by his lying.

Obama didn't actually apologize for lying.

Why would he?

He and all the other Democrats KNEW that if they told the facts about obamacare it NEVER would have seen the light of day..

That's the problem with your Democrat leaders. They don't give a damn about the American people.. Ya know.. The ones that they are PAID to represent??

They only care about their own personal wealth and power..

No where is this more evident than with the train wreck that is obamacare.

Say what you want about Republicans. But in THIS particular issue, the Republicans and the "vast majority" of the American people are firmly, utterly and unequivocally on the same page...

obamacare must die...

It's that simple..

Michale

The blatant misrepresentations..

H.R. 3590 (ACA) passed in the House 416-0, September 8, 2009.

HR 3590
VOTES
YES 219 ALL Democrats (216 needed to pass)
NO 34 Democrats 178 Republicans
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/2/165

So, the ONLY bi-partisan of the vote was AGAINST obamacare..

No ones plans are being cancelled. Insurance policies are contracts. Contracts exist for the sole purpose of ensuring all parties adhere to the agreed upon terms.

And obamcare forced the insurance companies to cancel the contracts because they didn't adhere to an arbitrary checklist. Forcing people to be insured for things that they don't need.

obamacare is one huge ponzi scheme.. It forces young healthy people to pay artificially high premiums to foot the bill for the old and infirm..

That's all obamacare does..

And it's going to fail. The American people simply won't stand for it.

As is evidenced by the panic amongst Democrats..

The upcoming mid-terms is going to make the Great Democrat Shellacking of 2010 look like a picnic by comparison..

Obama did NOT lie.

Sorry, LD.. But Obama already apologized for lying..

So, he seems to disagree with you...

Michale

H.R. 3590 (ACA) passed in the House 416-0, September 8, 2009. You can't get any more bipartisan than that! I know that Republicans have been pushing the talking-point that "no Republican voted for ACA," but the truth is that EVERY Republican voted for ACA. (They were ALL for it before they were against it.) It is a flat-out lie that no Republican voted for ACA. In actuality every one of them voted for it.
Now, for the reality-challenged, such as yourself (and every other "Conservative,") EVERY Democrat AND Republican voting for something is "bi-partisan."

I am also constrained to point out that, unlike obamacare, this bill passed by the House is BI-PARTISAN legislation..

I don't understand why ya'all don't get behind it??

This actually HELPS middle class Americans.

Granted, it puts obamacare, Obama's signature legislation in it's place.. The gutter..

But who cares!?

It HELPS middle class Americans...

That should be the ONLY consideration..

No??

Michale

Of course, the person who owns the company is a personal friend of and donor to the Obamas..

But I am sure that THAT had nothing to do with the no-bid awarding of the project, eh??

Can you say "Haliburton"???

A vote in the House on an Obamacare fix proposed by Republicans garnered 39 Democratic votes,

Why should this garner a comment in the Most Disappointing section??

I mean, isn't bi-partisanship in the pursuit of doing something GOOD for middle class Americans the goal??

Shouldn't that cause for placing this in the Most Impressive section??

People here are on record as saying they would gladly join the GOP if they GOP had any good ideas..

Well, obviously, making sure people can keep their insurance plans, AS OBAMA PROMISED, is a good idea...

So, why aren't ya'all joining up??

Because it comes from the GOP and gods know ya'all just can't admit that the GOP has a good plan. A good idea..

But, I bet ya'all jump on the Senate's plan, right?? :D

I hate being right... er... correct all the time... :D

As for your Regular Order rant...

Where was the Democrats desire for "regular order" when obamacare was being crushed thru by hook or by crook...

Yes, Boehner and the Republicans are being hypocrites for demanding regular order and then abandoning it.

They are politicians after all, so calling them hypocrites is somewhat redundant..

But what is good for the goose is good for the gander..

If ya'all want Republicans to play by the rules even if it messes up their agenda, then you shouldn't cheer on Democrats when they DON'T play by the rules in pursuit of THEIR agenda..

Am I right?? Er.... correct??? :D

Michale