‘Morning Joe’ Panel Rips Obama for Partisan Attacks During Navy Yard Shootings
'He's president of the United States, he should be smart enough'
http://freebeacon.com/morning-joe-panel-rips-obama-for-partisan-attacks-during-navy-yard-shootings/

What the MSNBC panel said is not really the news. Anyone with ANY sense of compassion would realize that a blistering partisan attack against political foes in the midst of a mass shooting is beyond the pale. As the article said, Obama is smarter than that. He SHOULD know better..

The fact that it's coming from MSNBC is what is really astounding...

What chaps my arse is the situational and variable nature of the Left's "morality" and so-called principles..

Don't know how to do a fire red backround, but

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Can't argue with the facts... :D

I concede the point..

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And, of course, loony Democrats come out of the woodwork, screaming hysterically about how guns are the problem and we need more gun laws to prevent psychos from getting guns.

Newsflash.. There already ARE laws that are supposed to prevent that.

Why not start addressing the psychos instead of the tools they use??

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If you look very carefully, you'll see a Mezuzah on the automatic doors of the original '60s Enterprise.

You just have to assume the Jewish Diaspora would continue under warp drive into the 23th century.

Live long and prosper and check this out:

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Have you criticized a single major republican policy during the Obama administration? Have you missed a single anti-left bandwagon over the same period? Switch the '-R' and the '-D' in the above paragraph and you describe yourself. You are the main source of hysterical condemnation in the comments on this blog.

And the Left only condemns the actions if the POTUS is a Republican..

And you only condemn the actions if the POTUS is a Democrat. How is that any different?

"Russia could tell Assad that no more conventional weapons would be delivered until the chemical weapons were completely under international control."

I question whether military aid, including actual weapons, training and maintenance are Putin's best cards to play. The Russian/Soviet govt. has traditionally supplied the Syrians with the sorts of weapons you use to fight another country - in this case Israel. The Syrian government already massively outguns the rebel forces opposing it, and making the difference more massive is not going to help much.

The Syrian government hasn't been able win it's civil war because civil wars are hard to win when the opposition is substantial, controls lots of territory, and you basically have to retake and hold that territory city by city, neighborhood by neighborhood, village by village. We, the United States, of all people, ought to know this.

Putin's best cards may well be fuel, hard currency and loan forgiveness.

Seems to me that Putin has stepped into trying to salvage a situation sort of like Northern Ireland's Troubles, or Lebanon's civil war, but on steroids. Good luck Mr. Putin, and be prepared for a long haul to save your client state. Maybe.

Still, using poison gas isn't going to win the war for Assad, using it has been either desperation, stupidity, lack of command and control, or all the above.

"We had to poison the village to save it." That's what it boils down to, and Putin has to point out the fallacy of that to Assad, if in fact Putin himself understands it. That's the only basis under which negotiated elimination of Assad's chem weapons will really work. We'll see.

What planet are YOU living on???

Are you REALLY going to say that everyone here and the Left in general were non-committal and blase' over Bush's domestic spying and wire tapping??

Really??!

And what about you? Bla bla bla whine whine whine but nothing ever about republicans doing the similar things either during this administration or the last.

My problem is not with the actions. I completely agree and am on board with the actions. They are necessary.. They are needed.

But you see, I am consistent. I am completely on board with the actions, regardless of whether our POTUS has a '-D' or a '-R' behind his name.

Ya'all hysterically condemn those actions if the POTUS has a '-R' behind his name, but are completely supportive (by omission) of those actions if the POTUS has a '-D' behind his name.

THAT's the point of my comment above...

Obama definitely got stuck with the NSA hot potato, but he is equally responsible with basically every President since Truman. Maybe and bit more than some and a bit less than others...

And the Left only condemns the actions if the POTUS is a Republican..

THAT's my point..

Crap like that or this crap specifically? That's one of the interesting aspects about this story. At the end of 2006 and in to early 2007 there was some authorizing bills that spelled out a good deal of what the NSA could now do. There was a general lack of interest from the both the left and the right over it.

But now that the POTUS is a guy with a '-D' after his name...

You would have an argument..

And what about you? Bla bla bla whine whine whine but nothing ever about republicans doing the similar things either during this administration or the last. We may be guilty as you assert but no more than you are of the exact same thing, oh Mr independent in name only...

Ironically enough, it's ANOTHER moral argument that I have the high ground over.. :D

Or not. See above.

Obama definitely got stuck with the NSA hot potato, but he is equally responsible with basically every President since Truman. Maybe and bit more than some and a bit less than others...

Tech sites??

When Bush was POTUS, it was EVERYWHERE.... EVERYONE, including most Weigantians, were all over Bush about crap like that.. You couldn't read a SINGLE news website without reading how bad Bush was and how evil Bush was, etc etc etc...

But now that the POTUS is a guy with a '-D' after his name...

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If you can show the same level of hysterical condemnation right now that was during the Bush years over LESS than what we see today???

You would have an argument..

But you can't, so you don't...

Ironically enough, it's ANOTHER moral argument that I have the high ground over.. :D

Imagine that...

You need to get out more. On the tech sites I follow every single twist in this story is reported and commented on ad nauseum. Mostly negative and a good proportion of the readership is liberal, though more libertarian liberal...

The silence from the Left is deafening....

Now we know that all the "moral outrage" against Bush and his domestic security policies was nothing more than partisan sniping with absolutely NO "moral" interests whatsoever...

While I'll grant you that Leonard Nimoy is jewish, I highly doubt Mr Spock is. :D

Although it would be er... fascinating to see Spock in a yarmulke.. :D

Kirk??? He is a religion unto himself. :D

Michael, you are on to something with the "Devil You Know" theory, especially when the devil you know is engaged in one devil of a civil war and doesn't have as much spare time to worry about Israel.

While that may (or may not) be true, you can bet that Israel is worrying about this particular devil they know.. Especially since said devil is pretty chummy with those demons who would like nothing more than to see the state of Israel a smoking crater and said Israelis nothing but a floating mass in the eastern Med..

On the other hand the method of Assad's attacks on his own people hold a special horror for Israelis.. I doubt you would find any Israeli who would shed any tear for Assad's passing thru the veil...

There are approximately 14 million Jews on this planet. Having personally identified and conversed (to my satisfaction) with a triple digit sample of Jews, I would estimate that means about 14 million different shades of opinion, depending on who gets to call themselves a Jew, which is itself a matter of dispute among Jews.

I used the phrasing "on this planet" because Mr. Spock is Jewish, and Captain Kirk is a probable.

Michael, you are on to something with the "Devil You Know" theory, especially when the devil you know is engaged in one devil of a civil war and doesn't have as much spare time to worry about Israel.

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There are few issues that I really hold the moral high ground over ya'all.. :D ObamaCare is definitely one of those issues. :D

I am actually quite surprised.

Most jewish people I know (disclosure, I don't know many. Or, more accurately, I don't know if I know many, as it doesn't come up in discussions) would...

Let me start over..

I would THINK that most jewish people would be all for an attack on Syria, as it would be in the best interests of Israel..

On the other hand, it might be The Devil You Know idea at work.

To be honest I am as surprised as you are at your poll results.

I am NOT surprised that Israel is giving aid to Syrian refugees. Of ANY country in the region, Israel is the most humanitarian and giving when it comes to people in the region. It's only the leaders in the region that Israel has a problem with.

Contrast that to all the other people in the region who would as soon shot an Israeli as not.. Add to that all the Israeli bashing that occurs amongst the Left whenever an incident occurs and you can understand why Israel feels a little isolated and deserted..

I have no doubt that this latest cock-up of Obama's has surely intensified Israel's feelings of isolation and abandonment.

Add Israel to the above list of losers in this entire "red line" debacle..

The red line was to punish Assad because he gassed over 2000 innocent men, women and children.

Where's the punishment??

Allowing for the numerical disparity, it would be as if Hitler would have been allowed to remain in power on his "promise" that he will behave..

I understand you want to defend your guy, but what he has done here is simply indefensible..

It's that the main casus belli turned out to be non-existent.

Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20... I remind you that your Democrats were completely on board with Iraq...

And how would he have won your support Michale, or your opinion that his leadership is "good"? By bombing Assad last week? I mean your comments are all over the place, Obama's red line is moronic, let's quote Harrison Ford and support an attack right now. Honestly your position seems to be attacks and threats are ok, unless its a democrat, and then he's a weak-willed noodle.

Well, at least we agree that Obama is a weak-willed noodle.. :D

As I told SF Bear previously, I would not have been so stupid to issue the red line in the first place..

If I HAD issued the red line, then I sure as hell would have followed thru on my threat..

Do you HONESTLY think that any tin-plated dictator with delusions of god-hood is going to take ANY threat, any "red line" from Obama seriously??

Do you not comprehend how bad Obama has damaged US credibility in the ME and world wide.

If you can, forgo your intense ODS affection for Obama and explain to me, providing facts, why any threat coming from Obama is credible..

The winners in this whole debacle are Putin and Assad..

The losers are the Syrian people who are likely to be gassed again and US credibility.

Obama frak'ed up. Admit it and we can move on..

And as far as Bush and and the UN goes, it wasn't that he didn't seek UN approval, which he did albeit halfheartedly. It's that the main casus belli turned out to be non-existent. Unlike in Iraq we have actual evidence of recent chemical weapon usage. The UN report has just been filed and I'm sure everyone will be talking about that once it's made public.

And how would he have won your support Michale, or your opinion that his leadership is "good"? By bombing Assad last week? I mean your comments are all over the place, Obama's red line is moronic, let's quote Harrison Ford and support an attack right now. Honestly your position seems to be attacks and threats are ok, unless its a democrat, and then he's a weak-willed noodle.

Ooooooooooo...

Lurch said that the threat of military action is real!!!!

Oooooooo.... I guess Assad REALLY needs to cower in his boots, eh???

Jeeezus.... The fact that Obama and Kerry et al REALLY think that their "threats" are meaningful to ANYONE simply shows how deluded and taken with their own press releases the Obama Administration has become...

No one with more than two brain cells to rub together think that Obama can influence a wet noodle....

After he botched his "red line" why should ANYONE believe anything coming out of Obama's mouth???

Obama says Iran shouldn’t misinterpret U.S. response to Syria
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-says-iran-shouldnt-misinterpret-us-response-to-syria/2013/09/15/fd6f27cc-1e05-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_print.html

Even OBAMA recognizes how utterly moronic and totally ball-less his response to Syria was...

Not that I think it will matter..

Our enemies in the ME are playing 3-D Chess and Obama is responding with tiddley-winks moves....

Joshua....

I'll render my opinion on your comment in the morning...

"It's the end of a VERY long day..."
-Bill Murray, GROUNDHOG DAY

:D

i realize that reconstructionist judaism tends to be more leftist on social issues, but it also is extremely supportive of israel (who by the way are providing humanitarian aid to any refugee who wanders toward their border, but nobody mentions THAT). notwithstanding israel's current stance, i didn't expect that so many of us would be so opposed to military action.

opinions?

~JL

Harrison Ford said it best..

Never again will I allow our political self-interest to deter us from doing what we know to be morally right. Atrocity and terror are not political weapons. And to those who would use them, your day is over. We will never negotiate. We will no longer tolerate and we will no longer be afraid. It's your turn to be afraid.
-Harrison Ford, AIR FORCE ONE

Woot!!!!

Make mine a double... I have to maintain my girlish figure, don'tcha know!! :D

No matter how ya slice it, your guy frak'ed up..

I know admitting that is totally out of the question for ya'all, but it's a fact.

Your guy frak'ed up..

Big slices of cake all around!

:-)

-CW

Of course I read it..

I just figured that NO ONE here would ever countenance a POTUS who would attack without UN Authorization..

Oh wait... This POTUS has a '-D' after his name. Of course, attacking w/o UN sanction is perfectly OK for a '-D' POTUS...

Silly me...

further it appears that the negotiations are going pretty well, force might not even be necessary.

In other words, Assad escapes punishment. He gets to gas over two thousand innocent men women and children....

So much for the idea that liberals are all about compassion...

The only thing that's important is the Party Agenda and ya'alls ODS....

How sad....

"President Obama has said that the unilateral U.S. use of force against Syria for a chemical attack last month remains on the table."

Grabbed those form your article Michale, apparently you didn't read it very well. Any use of force authorized by the UN would require both Russian and Chinese approval. So not exactly likely to begin with, so why seek it? And it seems that the Navy is still in the Mediterranean. And is still pointed at Assad. further it appears that the negotiations are going pretty well, force might not even be necessary.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/officials-us-wont-seek-un-approval-for-strike-if-syria-reneges-on-chemical-arms-pact/2013/09/13/a203b068-1cb3-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_print.html

Not only does Assad get away with gassing to death over 2000 men, women and children, but Obama has promised not to attack Syria, EVEN IF SYRIA RENEGES ON THEIR PROMISE to give up their CWMDs...

What a great frakin' deal!!!

For Assad...

Every time I think Obama can't sink lower in the leadership department, he surprises me with the depths of his stupidity...

How do ya'all like yer hero now???

Or, in FRONT of the scenes!!

Happy B-Day!!!

Ditto on the large slice of cake!!! :D

I'd like a big slice of cake, please.

:-)