as long as you don't call him george.

Uh... I always do...

YES, there was fear-mongering on both sides..

And BOTH fear mongering was wrong..

The issue isn't really the fear-mongering itself.. Both Partys do it, both are wrong for doing it.

*MY* beef is that many here decry the Right's fear-mongering but do not concede the Left's fear-mongering.

Can we all agree that the Right *AND* the Left are guilty of fear-mongering for political purposes??

Oh, Lordy, be still my beating heart. You actually DID call out GOP fear-mongering!

My apologies. Heh.

I guess BOTH of us should always finish the comments before commenting, eh? :D

To be fair to you, I do not go out of my way to post about and comment on Right Wing fear-mongering. I feel it's redundant given the climate here.. :D

However, I'll be more than happy to do so, iffn ya'all want.. :D

Michale

Oh, Lordy, be still my beating heart. You actually DID call out GOP fear-mongering!

My apologies. Heh.

-CW

Um, when you call out the Republicans' fear-mongering for what it is, then I'll consider it, okay?

:-)

-CW

"You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy"
-Bob Dylan

Heh.

-CW

Oh crap, don't EVEN get me started!!! :D

Or we could talk about how Obama's IRS targeted conservative groups during the last election and then, today, Obama blamed BUSH for it!!! :D

Either subject would be just all right with me.. :D

Michale

you mean the guy who shot trayvon martin? :p

What are you even talking about? How does Benghazi even enter into a discussion on the deficit? I mean... WTF?

Other than the fact that I love talking about Benghazi, ya mean?? :D

Other than the fact that the prevailing opinion about Benghazi was A> It was a non-issue, nothing important at all and/or B> It was only an election issue that would disappear after Obama won the election..

Other than the fact that I was resoundingly ridiculed when I called it dead on ballz accurate *within 12 hours* while the Obama administration was STILL sticking with the utterly BS story about a phantom protest...

Other than that... Nothing at all. :D

Seriously, you postulated a scenario where the lack of discussion over the deficit was due to the fact that the economy has made a definitive uptick, despite all the gloom and doom predictions from the Romney campaign..

I simply point out that there might be OTHER reasons why the talk of the deficit has taken a back seat...

Michty,

Nope. Like I said before just because the numbers are ok doesn't mean the deficit reduction measures enacted by Congress haven't affected them.

I knew you would say that.. :D

When the news is good, it's all due to the Great And Powerful Obama...

When the news is bad, it's all because of the terrorist evil Republicans..

Gotcha.. {{wink}} {{wink}}

And by the way the fear-mongering was on both sides - apparently the tax raises in January on 'job creators' (lolololol I still laugh at this ridiculous term) were going to wreck the economy... Oh wait February 2013 (pre-sequester) was the best month of job growth in 3 years.

You prove my point for me.

YES, there was fear-mongering on both sides..

And BOTH fear mongering was wrong..

Yet, according to YOU, *only* the Right's fear-mongering was REALLY wrong..

The fear-mongering from Obama was JUST AS WRONG, yet YOU spin it that it was really right..

Once again proving that you have your nose so far up Obama's arse, it's impossible to tell where he ends and you begin..

Case closed.. :D

Michale

Nope. Like I said before just because the numbers are ok doesn't mean the deficit reduction measures enacted by Congress haven't affected them.

In fact it is estimated that unemployment would be a full 1 point lower without them at 6.5%:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/us/deficit-reduction-is-seen-by-economists-as-impeding-recovery.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

And by the way the fear-mongering was on both sides - apparently the tax raises in January on 'job creators' (lolololol I still laugh at this ridiculous term) were going to wreck the economy... Oh wait February 2013 (pre-sequester) was the best month of job growth in 3 years.

Michale

What are you even talking about? How does Benghazi even enter into a discussion on the deficit? I mean... WTF?

michty6 -

Well, I didn't want to be accused of "fudging the figures" (which does happen when you start saying things like "in 2013 dollars"), so I just went to the government site and took down the exact figures.

I had thought there was some sort of 6 month figure released (for Q1 and Q2 of FY2013), but that would have been the end of March, and I haven't heard an official figure in the news yet. Maybe I'm just remembering this wrong, and there are no "6 mo" figures released, though...

David -

OK, I admit that even I cringed a little when typing that last line. Heh. Profuse apologies to Bobby Zimmerman...

-CW

I am all for that!!!

We can tie it to Obama just like we tied that Train Wreck that is ObamaCare to Obama... :D

Michale

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups.

In some cases, groups were asked for their list of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups

Well, iddn't this interesting...

Michale

Ahahahahahah.

More tax revenues are coming in, taxes have gone up, and less spending is going out

Maybe we need a term like Obamaconomy!

:)

-David

p.s. Hope everyone's been on board for the stock ride!

The classic mistake you have made is not to account for the time value of money, that is assuming that $1 in 2013 is the same as $1 in 2009 - which even people completely unaware of basic economics understand.

A more consistent way of viewing the budget then which accounts for this is in terms of % of GDP. Obama inherited a deficit that was just above 10% of GDP. Estimates of 2013 indicate this will likely be around 5% of GDP, going down to 4% by 2014 and 2.5% by the end of 2015.

Particularly given the revenue constraints imposed on him by Republicans, this is a good result. Of course these as just estimates and could turn out to be better or worse than budgeted...

Present company definitely excepted, of course.. :D

Michale

It's like a devout religious people who see agnostics/atheists/whatever as spawns of satan..

I hate to put it in the context of religious fanaticism because it's so damn insulting, but it's the best analogy I can find..

Anyone who doesn't toe the Party line "must" be for the enemy... In the case, the "enemy" is anyone Right Wing..

In other words, people project their biases onto other people. They can't imagine people out there who hold BOTH ideologies in contempt and disdain..

Now, granted, in my case, I hold MORE contempt and disdain for Democrats/Leftists.

But there is a good reason for that... :D

Michale

Of course you don't.. :D

Michale

Oh, I don't think so ...

I am constrained to point out that the reasons for this are not likely budget-related, but rather a sizable terrorist attack on US soil and explosive details regarding the complete, utter and systemic failure of the Obama Administraton before, during and after the 9/11 attacks on US interests in Benghazi...

On the flip side, ANY news that is better than expected is ALWAYS welcome news..

At least to a political agnostic such as myself...

Michale