Agreed.... :D

I will vote for whoever advocates better economic policies.

And therein lies the rub. Obama and the Democrats have PROVEN that their ideas are NOT better..

They are making things worse..

And yet, you STILL vote for them..

If you want to win me over, tell me what economic plans Republicans have which are better or different than ...

I never said they have better.. I, like you, support people with better ideas..

The problem is you still claim that THAT is the Democrats..

Despite all the evidence to the contrary...

Michale

- Trickle down
- Deregulation

All this other stuff is distraction because the answer is: that's their economic plan.

-David

Here is a PERFECT example of what I am talking about..

Congress votes to shield top officials’ financial disclosures
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/12/senate-votes-shield-top-officials-financial-disclo/

This is YOUR Democrats at work...

Michale

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/behind-the-curtain-newtown-89977.html

But to have the kids' own PARENTS do it!???

That just makes me sick to my stomach...

Michale

The issue I have is with the economic theory known as "trickle down" and the idea that deregulation is always better.

These ideas don't work. They cause big economic collapses.

So it's quite simple.

I will vote for whoever advocates better economic policies.

I will vote against whoever tries to sell me on these theories.

If Democrats were trying to sell me that we need more tax cuts for wealthy people, I'd vote against them. Because it doesn't trickle down.

-David

Prove it..

Because I can point to a dozen companies that have supported Obama and the Dems and have outsourced jobs...

That's why your arguments are such a paradox...

You have a long long list of things that are bad and with practically EVERY one of them, *DEMOCRATS* are as (if not MORE) guilty than Republicans...

So, if you want to state your argument as "Yea, they are all crooks and scumbags, but Dems are a little less so" that's fine..

But you simply cannot sell the idea that Democrats are any better than Republicans...

Because the FACTS prove otherwise...

Michale

My point exactly.

The people whose jobs HAVEN'T been outsourced.

Obama is honor bound to take care of THOSE Americans too.. Even if they didn't vote for him..

But "honor" seems to be a concept alien to our POTUS...

Just ask Ambassador Stevens.... Oh wait...

Michale

Perhaps you're right about what the average American believes.

I believe though that the average American is starting to be more concerned with wages, jobs being outsourced, and the huge shift of wealth in our country from the 99% to the 1%.

Yunno, the things that politicians want to distract us from. Many Dems included.

Who cares about the price of gas going down if your job has been outsourced?

-David

Where's the current data???

That chart ends over a year ago...

Irregardless of that, I am sure you can find oodles of charts and stats that show everything is hunky dorky and peachy keen wonderful...

But, will the average American agree with that rosy assessment??

Need I remind you the REAL tangibles of what constitutes well off??

Gas prices.. Taxes.. Freedom..

All of THOSE indicators show that this country is in MAJOR decline..

Thanx Dems.... :^/

Michale

Michale

http://sjfm.us/temp/How_to_stop_a_massacre.wmv

Now, as a LEO professional, I can find some issues with the individual's response...

However, there is simply NO DENYING how effective the response was...

Michale

Have they been reversed? Not yet. Still a lot of work to do.

And yet, things are much worse... So, that would seem to indicate that the Democrat's way of doing things makes things much worse.

Puhleez. The trend over time is about as subtle as getting hit with a 5 pound hammer

http://www.onepennysheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/recovery_chart_march.png

-David

And yet, things are much worse... So, that would seem to indicate that the Democrat's way of doing things makes things much worse...

You can enjoy having Wall St rip you off if you want. I don't.

To hear ya'all, Wall St is STILL 'ripping us off'...

And, considering that Obama et al STILL let's them get away with it...... Well, this makes me wonder about his support...

Michale

The trends which caused the economic crisis have been significantly halted- trickle down theory & deregulation.

Have they been reversed? Not yet. Still a lot of work to do.

Would we want to return to them? I wouldn't.

You can enjoy having Wall St rip you off if you want. I don't.

-David

I completely and unequivocally agree..

So, howz the economy under Obama?? :D

A helluva lot worse than it was under Bush, sans the last couple months...

LOL ... BJs are bipartisan :)

Touche' :D

Michale

LOL ... BJs are bipartisan :)

Ahem... World Trade Center 1993.

Ahem ... 9/11.

My beef in THAT case is why do Democrats go along with the EXACT same CT policies that they fought (nearly to the point of treason) Bush over.

No disagreement with you here.

However, if the CT policies are the same but the economic record is much better, the choice is pretty clear. Even though we'll have to keep fighting against those ineffective, expensive Bush-holdover policies.

-David

Ahem... World Trade Center 1993...

Clinton's "budget surplus" COULD be as much from a REPUBLICAN Congress as it was from a Democrat POTUS, no?? :D

Obama ... 5 years no terrorist attacks, recovering economy

Benghazi?? But yer right, that's not US Proper...

I have already acknowledged Obama's effectiveness as a CT POTUS...

My beef in THAT case is why do Democrats go along with the EXACT same CT policies that they fought (nearly to the point of treason) Bush over...

BTW, if those results were the only results worth a damn, then your hatred of Obama & Clinton is, as Spock would say, illogical.

My "hatred" of Obama is quite logical, considering the other circumstances that don't matter in comparison, but still matter to a certain extent..

As for Clinton??

I LOVE the guy! :D Anyone who can get a BJ in the Oval Office and STILL have the support of the Left??

A con artist of renowned skill... :D

Michale

BTW, if those results were the only results worth a damn, then your hatred of Obama & Clinton is, as Spock would say, illogical.

So clearly something else is worth a damn.

Bush ... 1 horrible terrorist attack, 7 years without, 2 wars, 1 collapsed economy

Clinton ... 8 years no terrorist attacks, no wars, budget surplus

Obama ... 5 years no terrorist attacks, recovering economy

Given that their records on terrorism are all pretty similar and the random nature of terrorism, I'll take the folks who do a better job on the economy.

-David

And STILL people think that the majority of the MSM doesn't lean Left...

Michale

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=4ee39663d6a08882947b465a73fa1a70&_cview=0

I don't know what's more pathetic.. That DHS would actually have the temerity to actually PLACE such a ridiculous order...

Or that they folded like a wet noodle when they got caught...

One would hope our Dept Of Homeland Security would have a little more balls, a little more strength in their convictions...

Michale

You mean 7 years w/o a terrorist attack on US Proper? THOSE results?? :D

Because, when all is said and done, THOSE are the ONLY results that are worth a damn..

The Iraq War and Bush economic policies did more to destroy our country than any terrorist ever did.

The friends and family of over 3000 Americans might disagree with you...

Victims, always victims. Victims who hate it when other people play the "victim card" but love doing it themselves.

Oh, come now.. Democrats *INVENTED* the victim card...

Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle...

If that's the case, how come they spent so much money on a study about what went wrong?

Same reason Democrats did after The Great Democrat Shellacking Of 2010...

They don't like to lose...

"I changed the conditions of the test. And got a commendation for original thinking.....
I don't like to lose."
-Admiral James T. Kirk, STAR TREK II, THE WRATH KAHN

:D

One of the catchiest jingles ever. Sometimes I wish I could purge this from my mind :)

Now THAT's funny!!!! Thanx David, that's a great way to start the day!! :D

But, like the Frito Bandito, I guess those great commercials are sacrificed on the altar of Political Correctness gone mad... :D

Michale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tXiverhe-I

One of the catchiest jingles ever. Sometimes I wish I could purge this from my mind :)

It doesn't rhyme quite as well :)

And I had nothing against Bush personally. His policies were just awful as proved by the results.

The Iraq War and Bush economic policies did more to destroy our country than any terrorist ever did. All so a very few people could make a whole lot of money ... country be damned.

It's universally accepted that, if not for Hurricane Sandy, we would have President Romney.

Poor Republicans ... victims of a natural disaster.

Victims, always victims. Victims who hate it when other people play the "victim card" but love doing it themselves.

If that's the case, how come they spent so much money on a study about what went wrong?

http://growthopp.gop.com/default.aspx

-David

Which stand was that?? The one where he said that SS shouldn't be touched??

Or the stand where he said he will cut SS??

:D

Why do you hate one person so much?

I asked ya'all the same question during the Bush years.. Never got a satisfactory answer.. :D

Be that as it may, my reasons for disliking Obama are well-established.

It's not political.. It's personal..

Why not fight for something instead of singing the constant refrain of "I'm a, I'm a President Obama jumbo liberal hater"?

Ya mean, as opposed to "I'm a, I'm a President Bush jumbo conservative hater"? :D

Once again, I.W.B.W.s

p.s. C'mon, that last one was pretty good, right? I mean, you remember the commercials, no?

I have to confess ignorance. Do tell.. :D

Michale

You vote for the most progressive candidate you can and then you work to elect more progressive candidates.

In 2016, I'll work to elect someone like Sherrod Brown, or Elizabeth Warren, or Sheldon Whitehouse.

Getting ya'all to actually admit Obama has faults is like pulling teeth.

Actually, it's not.

I'm against his stand on Social Security. I said this before you said anything meaning the amount of work you had to do was zero .

Why do you hate one person so much?

Why not fight for something instead of singing the constant refrain of "I'm a, I'm a President Obama jumbo liberal hater"?

-David

p.s. C'mon, that last one was pretty good, right? I mean, you remember the commercials, no?

It's universally accepted that, if not for Hurricane Sandy, we would have President Romney..

You support the most progressive candidate you have and then you work to elect more progressive candidates.

Then you appear to be working against yourself in your support of Obama. Getting ya'all to actually admit Obama has faults is like pulling teeth... :D

Michale

For the record, when I was talking about conservatives who don't take responsibility, I was thinking of Romney, in particular.

Romney's comments about how lazy Americans are doomed him nationally and his comment about Chrysler doomed him in the swing state of Ohio.

What did he blame for his loss of Romentum?

Obama's gifts to young people and minorities and Hurricane Sandy.

Way to take responsibility. (p.s. What a d-bag ...)

so why SHOULD he bow to the wishes of the Progressives when he knows he has ya'all, lock, stock and barrel

You support the most progressive candidate you have and then you work to elect more progressive candidates.

You yourself follow this mantra when it comes to what you believe in. Why would you advocate for a different approach for others?

(I mean other than the obvious of course)

-David

My opinion of Romney didn't change one iota once he became the nominee..

He would have been a better POTUS (BY FAR) than Obama.. Granted, that doesn't say very much. A trained cockroach would be a better POTUS than Obama...

Now if you really want to go after Obama, go after his budget! Once again he's compromising to start and throwing social security under the bus.

And yet, you still support him...

So why SHOULD he bow to the wishes of the Progressives when he knows he has ya'all, lock, stock and barrel. Or, to be more accurate, hook, line and sinker...

Just once it would be nice to meet a conservative who actually took responsibility for something instead of telling others they should.

That's the problem here. You still think I am a conservative.. :D

I have no problem pointing out when Republicans scroo the pooch..

Infinitely more often than ya'all point out when Democrats scroo the pooch...

But to deny that the vast majority of the MSM is in the bag for Obama is to simply deny reality...

The evidence of this is all around...

Michale

Sure, Michale.

When conservatives win it's because they're AWESOME and when they lose it's because of a great liberal conspiracy.

Just once it would be nice to meet a conservative who actually took responsibility for something instead of telling others they should.

-David

Or all the money and marketing and media in the world couldn't save a truly lousy candidate

(Who I recall you hated until he became the nominee)

Now if you really want to go after Obama, go after his budget! Once again he's compromising to start and throwing social security under the bus.

-David

About the same number as Obama..

But we never heard about Obama's screwups from the vast majority of the MSM.

Now, why do you think that is?? :D

Because the majority of the MSM is in the bag for Obama. They don't want to be accused of racism for slamming our first black POTUS..

Michale

Obamacare architect Rockefeller: It's 'beyond comprehension'
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-architect-rockefeller-its-beyond-comprehension/article/2526681

Seems the Obama Administration just can't catch a break...

First the ACLU goes up against Obama's signature Anti-Gun legislation...

Now the guy who wrote ObamaCare says it's crap...

Looks like it's going to be a bad month for Obama..

Michale

Really??

And yet, 49% of America voted for him..

So, it's either one of two possibilities..

Either you are wrong or 49% of America was wrong.. :D

Considering how things are shaping up with his Highness, the Great Exalted Barack The First, I think that 49% of America called it dead on ballz accurate... :D

Michale

How many screw ups did Romney make? :)

Seriously though. If there were a liberal media, Romney would have gotten about 5 votes. And that's only because he has such a large family. The guy was a terrible candidate.

-David

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/04/brad-paisleys-accidental-racist-is-purposefully-stupid/?utm_source%3Drss%26utm_medium%3Drss%26utm_campaign%3Dbrad-paisleys-accidental-racist-is-purposefully-stupid

Why is it that moronic Lefties just have to bring hatred into everything???

Off for the night. Anyone watching the new Kevin Bacon series, THE FOLLOWING??

It's a really awesome series....

Michale

That should read:

Considering some of the "reporting" (again, the reason for the quotes is self evident :D) it's clear how their reporters ARE incenticized... :D

My bust... :D

Michale

Considering some of the "reporting" (again, the reason for the quotes is self evident :D) it's clear how their reporters and incenticized... :D

But here's my point.. It's well-documented that the vast majority of "journalists" are Left/Democrats/Liberals/Progressives..

This being the case, let's employ Occam's Razor..

On the one hand, if things are as YOU say, that there is no Left Wing biased in the majority of the MSM, then we have to believe that the vast majority of "journalists" are virtuous and have the integrity to completely dis-assosciate their personal political leanings and beliefs from their reporting and report the news in a completely unbiased and apolitical manner.....

On the OTHER hand, if things are as *I* say, then we have to believe that "journalists" are sneaky, conniving assholes and pursue an agenda that is completely compatible with their own personal leanings and beliefs and report the news with their own personal slant and biases intact....

Now...

Of the two descriptions of "journalists", which do you think is more accurate?? :D

When scandals happen, it's usually because someone screws up. Not because it was uncovered by a veteran investigative reporter.

And yet, how many "screw ups" were reported from the Romney campaign vs the number reported from the Obama campaign??

Seems that Romney got all the bad press and Obama got all the good press..

Now, why do you think that is???

Michale

I don't know. You might be right. Err ... left. :)

What's more important though is who you work for and their beliefs and how they incent their reporters.

Do they reward hardcore investigative journalism? Or is the rule that it's more important how many web hits you get? Or how quickly and how many articles you can put out there?

Let me put it this way. If you work for ClearChannel, are they going to support your investigative reporting? Or Gannett? Or Disney? Or Comcast?

I don't think we've seen any investigative reporting from a major news outlet here in Cincinnati for over 15 years.

When scandals happen, it's usually because someone screws up. Not because it was uncovered by a veteran investigative reporter.

-David

Now that makes a good amount of sense... But again, that doesn't explain a lot of other things...

Let me approach it from a different perspective.

Would you agree that the vast majority of "journalists" (I put that in quotes for obvious reasons.. :D) are Liberals/Progressives/Lefties/Democrats??

Michale

When I say "corporate media", I don't mean a conspiracy. The MSM typically has it's own interests at heart (profit), not yours (informing people).

This is ok. Just recognize the bias.

For example, they tend to not pursue certain topics because of the fear of lawsuits. Why risk getting sued when you can just endlessly reprint the idiot Dem/Rep culture wars?

-David

Sure it does. Once you accept the premise that there will ALWAYS be outliers..

Isn't it more likely that the MSM is "corporate media"?

No.. Because if it was Corporate media, it would slant Right and slant Right big time..

It doesn't, ergo, it's not Corporate media..

Michale

Sure. But unlikely in the MSM.

This "liberal media" theory doesn't fit all of the facts. That's just it. In fact, it doesn't fit most of the facts.

Isn't it more likely that the MSM is "corporate media"?

-David

You can, no doubt, find an example here or an example there that supports your theory that there is no Left/Democrat/Obama bias in the vast majority of the MSM..

But you simply cannot explain the disparity of the number of Positive Stories for Obama vs the number of Positive stories for Romney during the last campaign. You cannot explain the disparity of the number of attack stories against Romney vs the number of attack stories against Obama..

There is NO other explanation for the disparity in the reporting of Abu Ghraib vs Afghani Kill Teams, Benghazi, Domestic Spying, Drone assassinations/usage and all the other things that the media hypes/doesn't report.

Now, it's possible that the MSM, after receiving the alleged black eye for their support of the Iraq war have swung the pendulum back hard Left by way of guilt feelings.. That's a possibility.

But there can be absolutely NO DOUBT in the objective mind that, in the here and now and for WHATEVER the reasons, the vast majority of the MSM is in the bag for Obama/Democrats/The Left..

NO other possible explanation fits ALL the facts..

Michale

Actually I did read about that, on a link from Drudge... Not sure the media outlet it directed me to, but it WAS publicized...

Michale

Heh. You'd think the "liberal" media would be better about publicizing actions like Arthur Pope buying the North Carolina legislature ...

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/08/1832201/meet-the-north-carolina-legislature-the-new-ground-zero-for-tea-party-craziness/?mobile=nc

How come you never hear about actions like this, or the Chamber of Commerce, or ALEC-sponsored legislation in the "liberal" media?

I keep hearing about this "liberal" media but I sure don't see one.

-David

Once again, insane gun laws that defy common sense in pursuit of out of control political correctness...

Michale

Or he has something on the GOP that will make them make a deal..

Considering Obama hails from Chicago politics, that is more likely the scenario...

Obama may be a LOT of things, but naive is definitely not one of them...

Michale

Time will tell if Obama is serious about the cuts to entitlements or if he is just sending vaporware up the flagpole, as he has done time and time again..

Michale

Here is a typical reaction from what I've seen in left-wing media: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/social-security-cuts_b_3034692.html

I haven't seen any indication of blowback from Dems..

Which indicates to me, it's a "compromise" that isn't really a compromise..

In other words, Obama is SAYING "cut Medicare/cut Social Security" but he is SHOWING Dems that it's really EXPANDING Medicare and SS...

Classic Bait/Switch marketing...

Michale

Yeh it's interesting that Obama clearly wants to strike a budget deal - so much so that's he prepared to piss off his own party. Of course none of this will probably be enough for the whack-job House Republicans so it'll all be for nothing. I'm surprised he hasn't realised this yet and moved on to dedicating his time to other tasks...

Seems adobe flash is constantly crashing, but it's really noticable here on CW.COM...

W7/Ultimate x64, Core i7 12G RAM, 4TB HD using FireFox 19.0.2 to access CW.

Anyone else having issues???

Michale

Amazing that this is even a question!!

Michale

unions are like any other organization - some are good, some are bad and most are indifferent. simplistic treatments like "waiting for superman" would have us believe that they're all the same and all useless, with no purpose but financial gain and the propagation of their own existence. on the other side of the coin, the same has been said of corporations. in fact, the two are very similar in that people tend to paint them all with a broad brush, as if they were all the worst of the worst. but most of both types of organization serve an important function, without which we'd all be worse off.

Yea, but hysterical generalities are just so damn fun!!

A perfect case in point:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/07/auburn-man-facing-charges-after-killing-bear-in-his-backyard/

That's what's wrong with the Democrat/Leftist mentality on guns..

It's completely and utterly whacked with absolutely NO bearing (no gun intended... er... No PUN intended :D) on reality...

Michale

unions are like any other organization - some are good, some are bad and most are indifferent. simplistic treatments like "waiting for superman" would have us believe that they're all the same and all useless, with no purpose but financial gain and the propagation of their own existence. on the other side of the coin, the same has been said of corporations. in fact, the two are very similar in that people tend to paint them all with a broad brush, as if they were all the worst of the worst. but most of both types of organization serve an important function, without which we'd all be worse off.

Just one more reason why Chicago is a frak'ed up city where the "values" of the Democratic Party are abject failure...

it's not just chicago. the same thing is going on in philadelphia and new york, and all over the country. it seems like there would be a good opportunity now for some moderate republicans to make inroads among educators, but they're generally just as anti-education than the democrats. the only answers republicans seem to have is to abolish the department of education and institute private school vouchers. the federal government and its minions should absolutely stop meddling in local school decisions, so they're right on that count. but so should michael bloomberg, joel klein, michelle rhee and other phony self-styled reformers.

~joshua

After reading your link, I find myself cheering on the Union!

Thanx a lot, pal! :D

Just one more reason why Chicago is a frak'ed up city where the "values" of the Democratic Party are abject failure...

Liz,

Yea, it's nice ta know ya'all can be reasonable once in a while. hehehehehehehehehehe

Just kidding... :D

Michale

While it is wholly inappropriate to disparage a woman's looks, I see nothing wrong with telling a woman she is good looking.

Absolutely, positively, unequivocally! And, that goes for a man's looks, too, for that matter.

It's a great feeling whenever you and I are singing from the same hymn book, and in key to boot! :)

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/04/2013471341732178.html

And the US backs down first...

What a great message to send.... :^/

Michale

CPS is planning to close sixty public schools, citing a new "utilization" statistic and claiming that it indicates the schools are "half-empty." they claim that the closures are needed to save money over the next five years. yet in the very same week CPS announced that they would be opening 60 new charter schools, also within the next five years - as if the two events were completely unrelated.

when one looks at the utilization statistics, the calculations are more than suspect. a school is considered "underutilized" if there are fewer than 30 students per class, without accounting for the fact that special education classes are generally required to have a third of that. obviously, schools with high special education populations will have low numbers of students per classroom. on the other side of the coin, many chicago charters have a low number of students per class, even with very few special education students, and not a single charter is on the list for closure. i realize that many people in politics believe that replacing public schools with charters will help students. that belief, although untrue for the majority of students, may well be sincere. however, the CPS are being blatantly dishonest about what they're doing.

they're flat out lying to the public about their reasons for uprooting the education of thousands of students, 90% of them poor and african-american. some of the schools slated for closure are doing an outstanding job, but that doesn't seem to matter. it's cold, calculating and downright wrong.

~joshua

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/30/chicagos_new_chief_education_officer_has_a_history_of_cleaning_schools_partner/

I am sure glad that all this "sacrifice" and "belt tightening" us Americans have to endure is not preventing Obama from his golf game.

I would REALLY hate to think that The Exalted One would miss his precious tee times...

Michale

Or any man, for that matter. Wouldn't want to be discriminatory, eh? :D

Assuming, of course, that said man (or said POTUS) was of that persuasion... :D

Michale

Howz THAT for tortured syntax... :D

I do have to clarify though..

While it is wholly inappropriate to disparage a woman's looks, I see nothing wrong with telling a woman she is good looking.

I would imagine any woman would be flattered to be complimented on her looks by a POTUS.. :D

Michale

Mixture.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/mpa.asp

I couldn't possibly agree more!

I find myself in the unique position of defending President Obama..

Com'on, people. Do we REALLY want to live in a world where it is INAPPROPRIATE to compliment how a lady looks??

It's much ado about nothing...

Michale
MFCCFL

Well, I am sure glad Obama supporters don't get special treatment.... :^/

If there was ever an administration that epitomizes Quid Pro Quo or Pay To Play it is the Obama Administration.....

Michale

Which IS legal in Alabama... :D

Michale

The other being Illinois?? :D

Seems ironic that they are (or were, in the case of Illinois, not sure about that) Democrat governments.

While I am sure that there are Republican State Houses that are equally corrupt, they apparently are better at getting away with it.

Not sure if that's a plus or not, but....

:D

They've announced a plan to essentially tax parents of college students who exercise their federal right to vote where they go to college.

To be accurate, the parents are not being taxed, they are being denied tax breaks because their kids are no longer living at home..

Besides, I thought ya'all were Pro-Tax??? To use Democrat Spin, "If they are rich enough to send their kids to college, they don't need the tax break!!" :D

Governments much have money to run, don'tcha know... :D

"Daniel McGowan, who is serving a seven-year sentence for his actions with the group Earth Liberation Front, just wrote an article for the Huffington Post detailing his treatment while in prison, how his communications with the outside world were limited because of his political views. He wrote this article while in a halfway house, as he nears completion of his sentence. But because he wrote the article, he is now back in prison -- once again, for speaking out. This is a disgusting abuse of power, and something I would expect from a totalitarian society, not from the federal Bureau of Prisons. I call on the Bureau to rescind its decision and move Mr. McGowan back to the halfway house as soon as possible. No one in American should be punished in such a fashion for speaking the truth to power."

The guys an eco-terrorist so I really don't care if they throw him in a dark hole for decades...

But this is another instance where it's not really any big deal.. Prisoners are routinely denied constitutional rights (that non-criminals normally enjoy) as a result of their illegal activities..

One of the most cherished rights (the right to vote) is taken away from felons in many states.

In this case, as a term of his probation, McGowan was forbidden to have contact with the media w/o permission.

McGowan did not secure permission for his HP Commentary so he violated the terms of his probation.

Probation violations usually result in a trip back to jail, DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200...

"Dozens of prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay are now staging a massive hunger strike to protest their continued detainment, some for over a decade, now.

Again, a bunch of terrorists. Who cares.. I would also wonder about a "hunger strike" that could last 10 years. I mean.. uh... Wouldn't they be dead?? :D

Monsanto Protection Act

Who knew old style record players needed protection.. :D I guess I just dated myself. :D

Michale