ACK!!!! Now I have a homework assignment!! :D

Well, it won't be as much fun as slamming and ridiculing politicians, but it might be a nice change of pace... :D

Michale

Or we could discuss what's in the water in Colorado that makes Democrats say the most moronic and asinine things regarding guns, women and rape...

Michale

How about making investments as a way to boost employment?

Just read a great article about Google and their culture of investment.

http://hbr.org/product/aiming-for-an-evolutionary-advantage-google-manage/an/2515BC-PDF-ENG

The public sector typically does better at this type of thing because most businesses are too scared to attempt it.

-David

We can discuss the fact that we had across the board spending cuts and the world didn't end... :D

Michale

Of course.. It's what I have been saying for years! :D

Except you supported Bush without any questions.

BBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Wrong..

I support some of Bush's actions w/o question..

Just as I support some of Obama's actions w/o question...

No matter how many times ya'all try to dispute it, the simple fact is, I have absolutely NO politically ideological loyalty...

I support actions, not Partys.

or we can move on and discuss other issues.

For example?? :D

Michale

I guess you support no one then.

Except you supported Bush without any questions.

The inconsistency and the power of the all-important "-R" :)

So we can sit here all day and point out how inconsistent we are (and the obvious reasons why), or we can move on and discuss other issues.

-David

Michale

What changed??

Ya'all (apparently) support that situation when, during the "Bush era", ya'all were hysterically AGAINST "that kind of situation".

THAT's,/B> what changed..

Michale

Have you flip flopped on a good portion of your Bush era anti terrorist rants? If you read the article linked, I know, I know I'm not supposed to do that..., the conditions where Holder could foresee a drone strike on an American citizen, on American soil is in a 9/11 type scenario...

You used to support that kind of situation. What changed?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/eric-holder-drone-strikes-against-americans-on-u.s.-soil-are-legal/article/2523319

Obama's Attorney General postulates that it IS legal for a POTUS to order a drone strike on an American ON American soil...

So...

Any red lines yet???

None at all?!?

*REALLY*!!???

WOW.....

Michale

I support you.. :D

But I *DON'T* support any Party that continues to take money from lobbyists..

Michale

The way to get money out of politics I believe has to come from one or a combination of the following:

1) A bi-partisan compromise such as McCain-Feingold to limit the influence of money in elections
2) A change in the voting culture where money is no longer the deciding factor

I work every day at #2 and fully support #1.

What do you support?

-David

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air"

As ya'all may (or may not) know, those are the lyrics to a TV Show Theme sung by Will Smith..

A kid in Philadelphia had that song as his voicemail announcement.. A receptionist at an office called the kid to leave a message about an appointment..

When this receptionist heard the line....

"Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school"

.... she thought it said "shooting some PEOPLE outside of the school"...

This receptionist promptly called the police (men with guns.. Who knew!!??) and the school was locked down, TNT was dispatched. The kid was found in the counselor's office and was promptly jacked up, cuffed, stuffed and hauled off to jail....

I really can't find fault with the receptionist as she did the right thing..

What I DO find fault with, however, is this atmosphere of hysterical fear that is being pushed on by our political (so-called) leaders...

It seems hysteria and fear-mongering is replacing common sense and logical thought more and more...

And, frankly, I am getting tired of it..

But I guess that's just me...

Michale

I am also constrained to point out that:

A> It was Obama and the Democrats who established the concept of "code words" vis a vis anything that someone says that's against Obama is racist via "code words"...

And

2> It was Obama and the Democrats who inexorably linked phrases like "the most destructive global financial crisis since the Great Depression" to Bush in the years since Obama took office.

So, yes.. Anytime any Leftys bring up the financial crisis that pre-dated Obama, they are blaming Bush...

Don't blame me because I play by the rules established by The Professional Left... :D

Michale.....

"Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts"
-Sgt Joe Friday, DRAGNET

:D

What you quoted above was just me trying to explain to you that the Obama/Biden/Geithner administration had to spend billions in order to save the US economy and financial system from total collapse. That could hardly be described as an "unimaginable" or "orgasmic" spending spree.

Really??

ObamaCare was required to save the economy??

Giving (and LOSING) billion and billions of taxpayer dollars to cronies and donors and Union thugs was required to save the economy??

Moose poop!

After all the orgasmic spending by the Democrats, the economy is STILL in the toilet...

"This is a great rescue! When you came in here, didn't you have a plan for getting out!?
-Princess Leia, STAR WARS Episode IV

Michty,

Estimates are the sequester will knock as much as 1.5% off GDP and 700k of job losses. To put this in contrast your economy only grew by 2.2% and added 1.8m jobs last year. So you've basically just passed a bill that is like wiping out half a year of your economy...

Yea, and "estimates" were that we would be living in a scorching desert and/or see cataclysmic storms and floods and hurricanes and famines and fleas and ticks and bugs because of Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Cooling).

:^/

Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn Yaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnn

More Democrat Apocalyptic fear mongering. Nothing more..

Obama and the Democrats forced the American people to make do with an even larger pay cut then Obama's sequester.

And we seem to be doing OK...

So, apparently, the American people are smarter than Obama and the Democrats.

Granted, that doesn't say very much. A garden slug is smarter than Obama and the Democrats, so.....

Michale

If you don't think the sequester will hit the economy in 2013 you are moron.

Estimates are the sequester will knock as much as 1.5% off GDP and 700k of job losses. To put this in contrast your economy only grew by 2.2% and added 1.8m jobs last year. So you've basically just passed a bill that is like wiping out half a year of your economy...

Yeh but you forgot the part where Obama went back in his time machine, turned a surplus into the largest debt the US has ever seen whilst creating a massive 'orgasmic 'infrastructure of spending. That is unforgivable imo.

"But ... but, Michale, you always leave out the most destructive global financial crisis since the Great Depression which began in earnest in 2007, the impacts of which continue to this day." and
"It's all Bush's fault".... is basically saying the same thing.

Only in your own alternate universe, Michale.

But, this does point up why conversing with you can be so infinitely frustrating. You are so caught up in your alternate universe, suffering terminably from Obama Derangement Syndrome or some such malady (I do wish I could recommend a remedy for that ... I really, really do) that you can twist anything I say into "It's all Bush's fault".

Actually, I don't believe any of that for a second - you're just trying to get under our skin is all. You really shouldn't admit to having so much fun doing that, though. Ahem.

What you quoted above was just me trying to explain to you that the Obama/Biden/Geithner administration had to spend billions in order to save the US economy and financial system from total collapse. That could hardly be described as an "unimaginable" or "orgasmic" spending spree.

You're on record as being completely and unequivocally against big money in politics..

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/obama-should-shut-down-ofa-liberal-watchdog-says-157891.html

Your thoughts???

Michale

I am also constrained to point out that it was OBAMA himself who said Capital Hill janitors would lose their jobs right aways due to the Obama Sequester.

That turned out to be bullshit..

It was DHS Secretary Napalitano who said that Obama's Sequester was already causing Airport delays..

That ALSO turned out to be bullshit...

The facts are, Obama and the Democrats played fast and loose with "FACTS" in an effort to scare the American people..

PERIOD...

Michale

Lololol amazing. You seriously think that $85b of cuts over the course of 1 year would be felt the day after the cuts came into affect????

That's EXACTLY what Obama and the Democrats lead the American people to believe...

But, as usual, they never let FACTS stand in the way of their fear-mongering...

Face the facts. Obama and the Democrats have lost a LOT of credibility over their dire warnings of Biblical Apocalypses and Armageddon scenarios...

David,

Thanks for the shout out for Sherrod Brown!

And David Vitter... Don't forget David Vitter! :D

Joshua,

yes, to be honest i also found it kind-of surprising that a self-avowed movie buff hasn't seen that film.

Yea, I miss a few good ones now and again...

I never saw FIGHT CLUB either, but I hear it's likely a movie I would like..

I haven't even saw the new DREDD yet.. Probably because I just can't see how it can compare to Stallone's awesome rendition of DREDD.... :D

(Michale runs and hides from CW!!) :D

Michale

Now that surprises me. I think you'd enjoy it. Good flick.

yes, to be honest i also found it kind-of surprising that a self-avowed movie buff hasn't seen that film. it may not quite deserve its spot at the VERY top of imdb's top 250 (admittedly a very "guy-centric" list), but i think it definitely deserves to be somewhere in the top 250.

You never saw Shawshank Redemption, Michale?

Now that surprises me. I think you'd enjoy it. Good flick.

-David

Thanks for the shout out for Sherrod Brown!

He's been pushing this banking bill for a long time and is one of the few in Washington who seems to remember the financial collapse and "too big to fail".

The banking situation in our country truly has become a monopoly situation.

-David

Hahahahahahaha amazing!

Gov't: Budget cuts already causing airport delays
hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BUDGET_BATTLE_AIR_TRAVEL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-04-08-39-18

Yet, the facts are, there are minimal (if ANY) delays..

http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp

So much for "fact-based" rhetoric, eh??

Michale

To be honest, I never saw the movie..

Yea, I know, I know.. I am culturally depraved....

err... I mean, deprived... :D

Michale

frankly, i'm amazed that this passed with nary a reference to the shawshank redemption.

Nothing stops. Nothing... or you will do the hardest time there is. No more protection from the guards. I'll pull you out of that one-bunk Hilton and cast you down with the Sodomites. You'll think you've been ****ed by a train! And the library? Gone... sealed off, brick-by-brick. We'll have us a little book barbecue in the yard. They'll see the flames for miles. We'll dance around it like wild Injuns! You understand me? Catching my drift?... Or am I being obtuse?
-warden norton, the shawshank redemption

No, I am just the only one who comes out and says it w/o beating around the .... er... bush... :D

In other words.....

"But ... but, Michale, you always leave out the most destructive global financial crisis since the Great Depression which began in earnest in 2007, the impacts of which continue to this day."

and

"It's all Bush's fault"

.... is basically saying the same thing.

"Mr President! Mr President!? In the dictionary under 'redundant' is says, 'see redundant'..."
-Robin Williams, LIVE AT THE MET

:D

Michale

Michale, I've noticed that you are the only one around here who ever says that. I'm beginning to think you really believe it.

In any event, this conversation has become far too tedious to continue.

FALSE. You really have to keep up, Michale.

Really???

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/10/17/Obamas-Auto-Bailout-Was-Really-a-Hefty-Union-Payoff.aspx#page1

As I said, the facts completely and unequivocally support my conclusions..

Michale

As I said, the facts in this are well-established..

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list/losses

Michale

I've done that. But, it still doesn't solve my particular problem. :)

If you're going to make stuff up, Michale, it could be a bit more amusing. Geesh.

FALSE. You really have to keep up, Michale.

It's not so much an EDIT button as it is a PREVIEW button..

It's right below the COMMENT window..

Click on it w/o typing anything in the comment section. It's a hoot.. :D

Michale

Where is all the gloom and doom and catastrophe and meltdown that Obama and the Democrats promised over Obama's sequester?? :D

As I called it, it was all a bunch of Chicken Little fear-mongering...

I have to say it feels kinda nice to hit one out of the park now and again. :D

Michale

So, in other words, it's all Bush's fault..

Which excuses all the screw-ups and mistakes that Obama and the Democrats have made??

Today's economy is owned completely and unequivocally by Obama and the Democrats.

We are where we are at now, with the high gas prices and high utility prices and high unemployment solely and completely because of the incompetence (Michty's word, not mine) of Obama and the Democrats..

As far as what the orgasm of spending for??

A lot of the money went to Dem cronies and donors who promptly blew all the money and then their companies went bankrupt.

A lot more of the money went to Union paybacks and Corporate Executive bonuses, leaving taxpayers on the hook for BILLIONs...

In other words, not only are Obama and the Democrats guilty of out of control orgasmic spending, they are guilty of spending the money foolishly and paying cronies and donors with absolutely NO regard for the competency and viability of the businesses.

There is NO doubt that the American people and this country are WORSE off today than they were before Obama took office.

These conclusions are supported by a myriad of documented facts...

Michale....

I know there is an 'Edit' function around here ... I just can't seem to find it ... where is that little button!? ...

The orgasmic spending of Obama and the Democrats that pushed our debt higher than any president in history COMBINED..

And you simply CANNOT examine the facts and leave out the fact that Obama and the Democrats pushed the debt to unheard of, nay UNIMAGINABLE levels..

But ... but, Michale, you always leave out the most destructive global financial crisis since the Great Depression which began in earnest in 2007, the impacts of which continue to this day.

But, fine ... I'll take that bait ... tell me, precisely how - as in what was spent on what - did Obama and the Democrats go on such an "unimaginable" and "orgasmic" spending spree as you describe?

Give me all the details, my friend!

Okay, I'll take that bait

Com'on!!!

I was looking FORWARD to the end of the world!!!

Where is all the mayhem, death and destruction that Obama foretold!!!???

"Com'on! Make up your minds! We're stayin'... We're goin'... We're stayin'!! I had a great spot picked out!"
-Rockhound, ARMAGEDDON

:D

Michale....

We did..

And you simply CANNOT examine the facts and leave out the fact that Obama and the Democrats pushed the debt to unheard of, nay UNIMAGINABLE levels..

Even amongst Weigantians, I don't think you would find ANYONE who would say that Obama and the Democrats are blameless..

But I could be wrong about that. It's been known to happen.. :D

Michale

I though we agreed to be factual in this conversation.

You need to revisit the summer of 2011. In reality, you need to go back a bit further than that.

Have fun!

Yes I do..

The orgasmic spending of Obama and the Democrats that pushed our debt higher than any president in history COMBINED..

Anything else is moot...

Michale

Do you understand what prompted the sequester?

I don't know about you, but I remember the summer of 2011 like it was yesterday. I have never in my life seen a group of politicians (congressional Republicans, in this case) behave in such an obtuse manner and put a nation, already in a very soft economic recovery, on an even more fragile road back from the Republican-inspired economic abyss.

Yes, the sequester was one of many ideas coming out of the White House to deal with this Republican insanity. The idea, that everyone seems to be forgetting, was to find a way out of the insanity of defaulting on the US debt. It was, in its very essence, a way of forcing Democrats and Republicans to find smart ways to deal with the long-term deficit and debt in a balanced and prudent manner involving both increased revenues and decreased spending.

Listening to the Republican leadership on today's Sunday chatfest, it was clear enough that they believe the sequester is a good idea. Yeah, they like the sequester that doesn't cut the kind of spending that will actually have any affect on decreasing the debt and deficit. Now, there is some classic Republican logic for you.

I don't know how many examples in history - even extremely recent history - the Republicans need to understand how the kind of short-term austerity that this sequester will force on the US economy at this time will impact the recovery. But, then I have to remind myself that the well-being of the nation is the last thing on the mind of congressional Republicans.

Let's approach this from a different angle..

You DO realize that the Sequester, the Sequester that Obama calls stupid, was OBAMA's idea...

You DO realize that, right??

Michale

That sums up precisely where you are going wrong and being led astray.

In other words, "the truth is not half-way between right and wrong".

By concentrating on Republicans, you are over-loooking 50% of the problem.. :D

In other words, I am MORE than willing to concede the GOP's responsibility for this mess we're in..

I simply maintain (and have the facts to back it up) that the GOP is not SOLELY responsible..

Michale

What congressional Republicans have a problem with is being part of a balanced, prudent and responsible approach to dealing with America's long-term deficit and debt problems in an effort to improve the US economy and the well-being of the American people.

Why that is so is fodder for a whole other conversation.

It epitomizes the GOPvsDEM conflict perfectly...

Michale

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/02/obama-his-team-struggling-with-accuracy-when-explaining-impact-sequester-cuts/

Yet, as we see, it's not only Republicans that have a problem with facts.. :D

Obama's entire campaign on his Sequester Armageddon is proof positive of that.. :D

I was directly quoting you, my friend. :)

Oh I know... :D

Michale

When do you suppose we'll get an 'Edit' function around here? :)

Just to be clear, when I wrote, "I guess Fact Checking is for Republicans only..", I was directly quoting you, my friend. :)

I guess Fact Checking is for Republicans only..

FINALLY!!!

Finally, you are beginning to understand what is happening here.

I knew it was just a matter of time - granted, a very, very, VERY long time - before we got you on public record admitting that the (congressional) Republicans are the one group, en masse (there may be one or two notable exceptions, I'm perfectly willing to stipulate) who have an aversion to the facts and who need to be "fact-checked" pretty much whenever you see their lips moving.

Thanks, Michale, for this long overdue acknowledgement.

Now, can we please move on and have some intelligent discussion around here for a change about some issues - that's ISSUES - that really matter without getting so personal about who or who is not currently occupying the White House?

It would be refreshing and ... we'd be eternally ... grateful ...

I am no more personal than anyone else here.. :D

As far as a Dem in '16.... I guess that will depend on if people put political ideology before principles with the next Dem POTUS...

Assuming there IS another DEM POTUS within our lifetime.. :D

It's getting beyond tiresome, you know.

As it was for me during the Bush years...

But I hung in there.. Ya'all can too.. :D

Michale

Are you going to get all personal on us when the next Democrat president is elected in 2016, too?

It's getting beyond tiresome, you know.

Just as I predicted.. :D

Michale

What you call "moving the goalposts" I simply call an acknowledgement of your logical and well-reasoned argument. :D

Would that such could be reciprocated from RnF Weigantians, eh? :/

I'm just sayin' :D

Michale

My bias against Obama is personal...

In other words, ya'all love and swoon over Obama because he is a Democrat..

I despise Obama because he is a hypocrite, a liar and an altogether shitty leader..

A not so subtle difference which makes ALL the difference..

Michale

Ya'all go on and on and on about my bias.. Funny thing is, I have *NEVER* denied that I am biased against Obama. NEVER.. Not ONCE..

What is even MORE hilarious is that ya'all are JUST as biased as I am, in FAVOR of Obama..

I mean, my gods, people!

Obama is ASSASSINATING American citizens w/o ANY due process whatsoever and ya'all collectively yawn.. It is NEVER commented on unless I drag it out into the light of day and it has only ONCE (to the best of my recollection) been Commentary'ed..

So, by all means. Go on and on and on about my bias against Obama. It's probably one of the few things we can actually agree on. :D

But what ya'all simply CANNOT deny is that ya'all are JUST as biased as I am in FAVOR of Obama.

Only TWO Weigantians have EVER seriously taken Obama to the mat. Michty (of ALL people!! :D) took Obama to task (once) and labeled him "incompetent" in his handling of the economy. And a damn accurate label to boot..

And Joshua has constantly ripped into Obama (deservedly) for his utter incompetence in handling Education.

That's it.

IN FOUR+ YEARS, Obama has NEVER been seriously dinged (MDDOTWs notwithstanding) by any Weigantian..

So, tell me.. WHO is biased and who isn't??

All I am saying is that, when ya'all complain about my bias, for some reason, the words "stones" and "glass houses" come to mind.. :D

Michale

Obama struggling with "accuracy"...

WHAT A SHOCK!! :D

Michale

OK, ya dragged me in here! :D

Don't say I didn't offer...

The problem here is that you are comparing a George Bush vacation at the family homestead, clearing brush and listen to whiners like Cindy Sheehan to a Barack Obama vacation hobnobbing with the likes of TIGER WOODS (I noticed that YOU didn't address that!! :D) **AFTER** telling all Americans that they are going to have to tighten their belts and "sacrifice"...

No matter HOW you try and spin it, THAT is simply a failure in leadership..

PERIOD...

As for the Bush girls, who do you THINK paid for not just their vacations (the BA jaunt was in 2006, long after 9/11) but the whole Secret Service protection detail while they were there? The US taxpayers, that's who. Face it, you made a stupid assertion, and it is not backed up by the facts.

Of course taxpayers paid the Secret Service protection.

But the Bushes paid for their daughters to go there, on commercial flights (if I recall correctly)..

When the Obamas go on vacation, the taxpayers pay for the Secret Service AND for the flights etc etc etc.. AND the friends that accompany the Obamas and a crap load more..

Face it.. Michelle Obama is Marie Antoinette on steroids, except not as attractive..

And I noticed you were too chicken to answer my question about what you'd say about Michelle if she ever "ignored requests to cut her vacation short for SECURITY REASONS," probably because you know FULL WELL that the Right would have a FREAKIN' CONNIPTION FIT over it, while the Left (obviously) did not have such a conniption fit. Couldn't quite answer that question honestly, could you?

Not at all I just didn't understand the point you were trying to make...

No president -- not even champion vacationer Dubya -- costs anywhere NEAR $40 billion a year to the taxpayers.

I am not saying "a year"...

And I was speaking euphemistically regarding the costs, not literally..

What I *AM* saying and what NO ONE here can deny is that it is a complete and utter failure of leadership to CAMPAIGN to Americans day in and day out how THEY must "sacrifice" and "tighten their belts" and then turn around and take jet-setting vacations all over the country and the world and hobnob with Beyonce and Tiger Woods while Americans are facing (at least according to Obama) a catastrophic economic Armageddon of BIBLICAL proportions!

Now if you want to bring up Bush 1 and Bush 2 and Reagan and Moe, Curly and Larry The Cable Guy... by all means, have at it..

But I am not sure what the relevance they would have to OBAMA's complete and utter failure to be a good leader, failure to lead by example...

And I'll say it again..

TIGER WOODS!???

REALLY!!????

:D

MIchty,

Also a column that references BOTH Star Wars and Star Trek repeatedly and no comment from Michale??? I am SHOCKED!

Yea, I was gonna give ya'all a break and let ya'all have an FTP commentary to yourselves for a few days... :D

Michale

-CW

Convenient how you moved those goalposts, isn't it?

Here are figures for the first year in office. Since, you know, you haven't quoted one single tiny itsy bitsy shred of evidence to back up your laughable nonsense, it'll have to do for now.

Obama -- 26 days on vacation
Clinton -- 21 days

Oh no! Obama spends more time on vacation than Clinton! Maybe Michale's right!

Hardly...

GHWBush -- >40 days (that's just to Kennebunkport)
Reagan -- 42 days

But then, there's the all-time winner, of course:

GWBush -- 77 days.

So Bush took THREE TIMES the vacation Obama did, but you still have a problem with it. Because he went to blue states (MA and HI) rather than a red state (TX)?

Horse puckey, my friend.

See, this is the larger point about Republicans not being able to deal with scientific fact or logic. Don't like the facts? Well then, make up some reason why they can't be true!

Nobody even came CLOSE to the vacation time Dubya took, and likely in all the rest of Amrican history nobody ever will, because (hopefully) we'll never elect a fratboy slacker as president again. But don't let the facts get in the way of your ODS...

As for the Bush girls, who do you THINK paid for not just their vacations (the BA jaunt was in 2006, long after 9/11) but the whole Secret Service protection detail while they were there? The US taxpayers, that's who. Face it, you made a stupid assertion, and it is not backed up by the facts.

And I noticed you were too chicken to answer my question about what you'd say about Michelle if she ever "ignored requests to cut her vacation short for SECURITY REASONS," probably because you know FULL WELL that the Right would have a FREAKIN' CONNIPTION FIT over it, while the Left (obviously) did not have such a conniption fit. Couldn't quite answer that question honestly, could you?

No president -- not even champion vacationer Dubya -- costs anywhere NEAR $40 billion a year to the taxpayers. Unless you provide some facts and/or figures, I'm going to assume you're just in your usual "makin' stuff up, because it sounds good, and Obama MUST be the worst of all time, because the Rightwing media tells me so" mode, and ignore it from now on.

-CW

"A majority of Americans -- and Republicans -- support my approach for deficit reduction."

This is absolutely true - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/mar/01/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-majority-american-people-agree-m/

Once again the whim of the moronic right retarded Republicans is bringing down the reasonable, sensible ones...

Fantastic stat. I love stuff like this.

Also a column that references BOTH Star Wars and Star Trek repeatedly and no comment from Michale??? I am SHOCKED!

Us old-timers serve a purpose at times.

Hawkowl