I have to say I think Obama loses by focusing on what cuts to make. This whole idea of "cuts" is a bad idea. This will shrink the economy. Just a terrible idea all around.

What I'd like to see him argue is that we should be making investments in our economy and in our country. We should be pointing out how defunding the country has completely failed in Europe and we should be investing.

-David

I guess Fact Checking is for Republicans only..

FINALLY!!!

Finally, you are beginning to understand what is happening here.

I knew it was just a matter of time - granted, a very, very, VERY long time - before we got you on public record admitting that the (congressional) Republicans are the one group, en masse (there may be one or two notable exceptions, I'm perfectly willing to stipulate) who have an aversion to the facts and who need to be "fact-checked" pretty much whenever you see their lips moving.

Thanks, Michale, for this long overdue acknowledgement.

Now, can we please move on and have some intelligent discussion around here for a change about some issues - that's ISSUES - that really matter without getting so personal about who or who is not currently occupying the White House?

It would be refreshing and ... we'd be eternally ... grateful ...

PS. Flights to Spain are shorter than flights to Buenos Aires, I bet. So which do you think cost more? Exotic enough for you?

:-)

-CW

I answered you, but I pasted it in to the FTP column by mistake, so please click on over there for my answer.

Short answer: You would lose that wager, big time. You don't even have to combine them, just measure Obama and Dubya... Dubya probably set a record that Obama PLUS Clinton can't match, in fact.

-CW

Amazing...

No FACT CHECKING what so ever on Obama's speeches..

I guess Fact Checking is for Republicans only..

One more way Obama gets a pass.. :^/

Michale

I am ITCHING to comment, but I vowed to myself that I would give it a few days and give others a chance to chime in on the current FTP so as not to dominate the conversation, as I am wont to do. :D

But seriously.. "Jedi Mind Meld"!!!???

That's worse than Han Solo bragging on the Millennium Falcon and how it made the Kessel Run in "12 Parsecs".... {{{collective groan}}}

:D

Michale

We're not talking about heading to the family homestead.

We're talking jet-setting around the world to hobnob with celebrities and golf pros, shopping jaunts in Spain and France or extravagant ski vacations to Aspen or exclusive Martha's Vinyard estates...

You simply CANNOT compare the two, in costs and in a complete and utter failure of leadership..

You don't ask Americans to share the sacrifice and tighten their belts and then jet-set off to some exclusive golf club to hobnob with TIGER WOODS, for all people!

I mean, ya'all are supposed to be liberals. Yet ya'all don't have any issue with TIGER WOODS!!!???

Are you serious!!!????

Michale

Scratch that.

You WOULD have a legitimate comparison... No "might" about it..

Michale

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/keystone-xl-pipeline-does-little-environmental-harm-us-finds/

Looks like Obama is going to finally do something that is actually GOOD for this country...

Props to Obama for doing something right...

ODS my left arse cheek! :D

Michale

Vacations, plural..

Add up all of Obama's vacations, their exotic venues of the past 4 years and I would be willing to wager the costs would DWARF the vacations of the past 5 presidents COMBINED...

Sorry, but I gotta call moose poop on that one :D

It's not even the COSTS that bug the hell out of me and SHOULD bug the hell outta ya'all..

It's the leadership issue. In OCS, it is INGRAINED in JEEPs that your troops come first. A GOOD leader doesn't eat til all his troops have eaten. A GOOD leader is the first one up and the last one down.

And a GOOD leader sure as hell doesn't drone on and on about how everyone must tighten their belts and share in the sacrifice and then go jet-setting across the country and across the world, having million dollar yacht/golf club dates with golf pros and celebrities..

Call it ODS all you want, but you simply CANNOT deny that it's true...

Obama is NOT a good leader. PERIOD...

While you may make a case for my Obama Derangement Syndrome, you simply CANNOT deny the fact that the OLS (Obama LOVE Syndrome) is a LOT (by FAR) more prevalent amongst rank and file Weigantians..

As I said above (or afore) I would be a LOT less inclined to slam Obama so much if rank and file Weigantians would be willing to take Obama to task for his MANY screw-ups...

To read the comments here, Obama is the second coming and can play 12-Dimensional Chess while walking on water and creating the Higgs Boson from thin air...

When it comes to Obama, I am simply the mirror image of RnF Weigantians... :D

Google "Bush twins vacation Buenos Aires" or perhaps "Hawaii"...

Sorry, that doesn't hold water..

A> There was maybe ONE or TWO vacations, compared to the Obama kids' and Michelle's dozen or so vacations..

and

2> The taxpayers didn't foot the bill for the Bush girls vacations.. We did in the case of Michelle's Marie Antoinette jaunts...

and finally, Bush didn't go on and on in CAMPAIGN mode about how everyone must tighten their belts and share in the sacrifice..

If you have information that Bush and family took extravagant jaunts in the aftermath of 9/11 then you MIGHT have a legitimate comparison...

But such information doesn't exist because it just didn't happen..

"There was no poison on the rag and there was no intent to kill and any attempt to prove otherwise is futile because it just ain't true."
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

And the Bush twins, in particular, weren't exactly model citizens on their vacations, so you can park that nonsense by the door, too.

Oh come on... POTUS kids are off limits..

Or does that just apply to POTUSes (POTUSii?? POTUSiums??) that have the '-D' after their names??

But, since we went there, come talk to me when Sasha and Malika (or whatever) hit 18 or 19...

That would be the ONLY fair comparison, no?? :D

I'm just sayin'....

Michale

Your Obama Derangement Syndrome is showing, sorry.

Google "Bush twins vacation Buenos Aires" or perhaps "Hawaii"...

What would you say now if Michelle Obama and the girls "refused to cut their vacation short over security concerns"? Be honest -- what, exactly, would you say? Well then, why didn't you say it THEN? Oh, right, because Bush could do no wrong, and when Republicans are in the White House we don't mention things like this.

ODS, plain and simple.

George W. Bush spent more days on vacation than ANY PRESIDENT. By a LONG shot. Those are facts. Bitching about the Obamas occasionally going to Hawaii or playing a round of golf is like a chimeny sweep covered in dirt telling you you've got a speck on your shoulder, sorry.

I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but you're full of moose poop. Cutting Obama's vacation would save $40 or $80 billion? That's just a right-wing fantasy. The Obamas take a TINY FRACTION of the vacations the Bushes did. That's fact.

And the Bush twins, in particular, weren't exactly model citizens on their vacations, so you can park that nonsense by the door, too.

-CW

I mean, seriously!

How often did Laura Bush and the Bush girls travel to Spain for vacations?? Aspen?? Paris??

For a group that loves to routinely savage and attack Wall Street and Banker "Fat Cats" for their extravagances, ya'all sure give the Obamas a pass..

That seems to be the prevailing theme around here..

Obama gets a pass...

Ya know, here's some food for thought..

If ya'all would slam Obama more when he actually DOES deserve it, maybe I might slam him less when ya'all think he DOESN'T deserve it..

Hmmmmmmm????

Something to think about, eh??

Michale
MFCCFL

That's what YOU claim, Michty...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-obamas-golf-weekend-tiger-cost-much-341-federal-workers-furloughed_704915.html

But the FACTS say different...

Eliminate the White House perks, the excessive travel, the extravagant vacations and all the other crap that the 99% would NEVER be able to afford...

THAT will meet the requirements of Obama's sequester right there...

But I guess ya'all don't mind when Emperor Barack The First lives the luxury life while the 99% suffer...

Frankly, it pisses me off...

Michale
MFCCFL

And yes colour is spelled colour North Americans!

Amazing how the Left cheers on Wall St when it suits their agenda... :D

Michale

TRANSLATION: I have no rebuttal so I am just going to spew nonsense...

:D

'S ok... I understand... :D

Michale

The Obamas MUST have their perks....

Lolololololol amazing. This might be your best nonsensical rant yet!

-- Chris Weigant

First David and now you!

Are ya'all copying my style!!! :D

hehehehehehehehehe

Michale

Michale

The fact that it is a completely and utterly bogus argument appears to not matter a whit...

According to the non-partisan CBO, the amount required to meet Obama's sequester is $44 billion dollars..

That is a bit more than 1% of the entire 3.8 TRILLION DOLLAR budget..

ONE PERCENT!!!

Does Obama expect Americans to believe that he can't find ONE PERCENT of the budget that will NOT decimate our country and end our world as we know it!??

If this is true, If Obama can't find a mere ONE PERCENT of needless waste to cut, then he is more incompetent then even *I* thought...

And I have always thought he was pretty incompetent..

Obama's argument is one thing and one thing only..

Pure, unadulterated, unequivocal fear-mongering bullshit...

"OK, if you don't want to cut the budget of Agency X or Bureau Y, then what exactly do you think we should cut instead?"

Cut White House staff...

Cut Campaign Trips...

Cut Expensive Vacations..

Those things ALONE would likely meet Obama's Sequester requirements 10 times over...

But nooooooooo...

The Obamas MUST have their perks....

Michale