What about bad for the country??

Shouldn't that be the FIRST priority?? And Party agenda be a distant DISTANT second???

I'm just sayin'....

Michale

Yea, you and the rest of the Left.. :D

No one ever thinks straight when they are in love...

Which explains a LOT around here :D

Michale

Swooning is my favorite. I think Obama is just dreamy :)

Ok, kidding aside, though a lot of this budget talk is a political stunt, it might actually not be bad for Democrats.

If you think about it, who's blocked most legislation through Congress in the last 4 years?

Republicans.

This has largely worked because the mainstream media never mentions how obstructionist they've been.

Now if Republicans insist that something gets done and then actively work to block it (by filibustering, for example), this might draw a good deal of media attention.

Especially given the recent popularity of Republicans (hint: you're shrinking faster than Romney's facebook likes)

Again, I think there's lots of ways in which this could backfire for Republicans.

-David

p.s. More importantly, the Republican budget proposal so far looks like a bunch of unicorns running around in a fairy poppy field

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/boehner-lets-destroy-math-instead-of-economy.html

Yea, but if DEMOCRATS had done the EXACT same thing, ya'all would be swooning..

Don't bother denying it.. We both know it would be true..

Michale

http://www.businessinsider.com/no-budget-no-pay-congress-2013-1

(Most sarcastic voice ever): I am so surprised.

A quick nomination for next week's MIDOTW award, Jim McGovern

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IEEv4RVIc&feature=youtu.be

-David

Of course they meant the SAME budget!!

Like I said, ya'all just CAN'T give the Republicans credit for ANYTHING....

Even when they do exactly what you want them to do, you STILL castigate them...

Ya'all are doing to the Republicans EXACTLY what you accuse Republicans of doing to Obama.

It's all Right v Left... That's all it is..

Michale

Hahahahahah. If they don't pass the same budget, it has no meaning my friend.

Remember School House Rock? A bill can only become a law if it passes both houses of Congress.

Which I think you likely know full well but you love the idea of poking some liberals. Especially with nonsense. :)

I actually urge the new House to keep up the kindergarten politics. Pretty soon they'll be so unpopular that no amount of money will buy them an election

-David

- The House and Senate must each pass a budget

and

- The House and Senate much each pass the same budget

If Republicans are supporting the latter, CW and almost everyone who has posted supports this.

Myself I don't see Republicans supporting the latter, I think they support the former and are just using this as a political stunt (shock, horror!) like the fake 'Obama budgets' and all the other political stunts they use surrounding the budget.

If Republicans have changed their tone to the party of Government decreeing that a budget must be passed and that parties must compromise - good for them. I'll believe it when I see it.

"that's different"......

:^/

Michale

Ya'all have stated that Obama could give the GOP everything they want and they would STILL be against it..

Well how is that any different than ya'all are acting??

Republicans have taken a page from CW.COM and put it into legislation..

And ya'all are NOW against it, only because THEY suggested it...

Michale

The Republicans DID say that both the House and the Senate must pass the Budget..

It's ya'all who are being nitpicky and saying, "Well, they didn't say the "SAME" budget.."

It's like saying, "You didn't say 'Simon Sez'"....

The GOP is onboard with the NB/NP legislation..

Would it REALLY kill ya'all to give them SOME credit???

I am beginning to think that YA'ALL think it would...

Michale.....

If you want to force this then at least call your bill the 'Let Congress Continue To Waste Their Time (And Taxpayers Money) On Legislation That Has Zero Chance Of Becoming Law Act' (LCCTWTTATMOLTHZCOFBLA for short) instead of 'No Budget No Pay'.

Lemme know when it says they need to pass the same bill.

WOW.... REALLY!!???

We probably should make sure they pass it on a TUESDAY and NOT a Friday and make sure the moon is full, not a quarter moon..

One has to wonder why ya'all are not this nit-picky when Democrats skate and skirt....

No, actually one doesn't have to wonder it all..

Ya'all just CAN'T give Republicans credit for ANYTHING, can ya??? :^/

Republicans are firmly and completely on the same page as CW as far as NB/NP...

But ya'all just refuse to give an inch....

Like I said, compromise is something the Left is interested in ONLY when they are getting their asses kicked...

Michale

It's not quite the same. Looking at #9.

As part of a proposal to raise the debt limit for three months, the House GOP would suspend pay for members of Congress unless both the House and the Senate pass a budget blueprint for the next fiscal year.

All this says is that the House must pass a bill and the Senate must pass a bill.

It doesn't say they must work together to pass the same bill.

Lemme know when it says they need to pass the same bill.

-David

That's how the legislation is written..

See #9...

It's a good thing the GOP reads CW.COM, eh? :D

Michale

But that's just it, Michale. They're not.

If it were dependent on an approved budget through both chambers, I'm all for it.

It looks like the tough-talking-left-of-centre 'Speaker Obama' came out today to gave an inauguration address, putting the always-caving-compromising-right-of-centre 'President Obama' out of sight... At least for 1 day.

Yep. Hopefully there is more of this now that he's not worried about getting re-elected.

-David

I think they should pass it - as long it stipulates that a budget must be passed (not 'passed through 1 Chamber) before they are paid.

Like I said above the day that Republicans turn up to support Government forcing people to do things and especially forcing people (i.e. them) to compromise will be a good day for America. I don't think you will see this day any-time soon though...

Wouldn't THAT really stick it to to this evil baby-eating Republicans, eh!!??

:D

Awwwww crap.... Now *I* have been hanging around michty too long....

Michale

Or the House Republicans could pass a budget called 'The House Obama Budget' and the budget has 1 line: "All Registered Democrats are to be taxed at 100% rate and punched in the face."

Once it is safely through the House their pay-checks are secured and it doesn't matter that neither the Senate nor Obama would sign it into law.

Given their love of Ayn Rand and previous games with budgets, like the 'Obama Budgets' that were pretty similar to this actual scheme, this isn't totally beyond them...

So, even though Republicans are doing EXACTLY what CW has said should be done, it's STILL just a nefarious trick....

Really??? :D

But trying to show that one side isn't doing their job by putting them in a situation where they can't do their job is politics of the most ridiculous kind.

So, what you are saying is that, even though Democrats have the majority, everything is STILL the Republicans fault...

I wish I could say I am surprised.. :^/

Why do we bother giving Democrats a majority if they STILL don't get anything done???

Michale.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2013-inauguration-waiting-watching-bearing-witness/2013/01/21/93d332ea-63cf-11e2-85f5-a8a9228e55e7_gallery.html?hpid=z4#photo=1

However, Republicans could filibuster in the Senate, no?

This is the reason so many things haven't been able to pass through the Senate over the past 4 years.

As such, this proposal seems like a deliberate political move by Republicans.

If they were serious and no one got paid unless a budget were passed by Congress, I'd be for it.

But trying to show that one side isn't doing their job by putting them in a situation where they can't do their job is politics of the most ridiculous kind.

-David

Whenever you start talking nonsense... :D

Michale

We discuss the price of tea in China and you respond with the current broccoli market.. :D

I always know when I have you by the short and curlies...

You respond with nonsense.. :D

Michale

This is just more Obama Guvment taking over. He is a dictator. Someone needs to stop him.

And yet, it's the REPUBLICANS who are proposing it and it's the DEMOCRATS who will kill it..

Ahhhhhh the smell of hypocrisy is thick today... :D

Michale

It's pretty pathetic that you have to resort to these sort of measures to get lawmakers to work together though. Really sad.

Of course, the Republican party position is against such measures so it will probably come to nothing anyway...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/21/premiums-set-to-rise-this-year-in-run-up-to-obamacare-tax-on-insurance-industry/

I though ObamaCare/Tax was supposed to BRING DOWN health care costs, not make them rise???

Michale

So, breaking the law isn't any big deal, as long as it works??

It's funny how Democrats are always about "the rule of law"... Except, of course, when it doesn't fit their agenda...

Republicans are the same way, to be fair...

Another example of there is really no daylight between Republicans and Democrats..

I am also constrained to point out that, by not producing a budget, the Democrats are not telling the people how their money is being spent..

Which is hypocritical, since this administration was billed as "the most transparent administration ever"...

Another broken promise from Team Obama...

Michale

The federal gov't seems to be capable of running w/o a budget. It isn't pretty, but it does follow the inertia laws (ertia?). At the moment, I'd go with this.

We had completely missed the opening line of the Death Star response b/c we so enjoyed the 3 responses. Thanks for pointing that gag out, it was the best of the bunch.

Going to your intro, Dems in the House need to vote present on the debt ceiling proposal. If the House GOP is going to pull a stunt (and repeat the debt-ceiling fiasco again in 3 mos), then a majority of them should actually have to vote to raise the debt ceiling, regardless of any attached additionals.

Looks like the GOP is fully onboard with your idea.. :D

As part of a proposal to raise the debt limit for three months, the House GOP would suspend pay for members of Congress unless both the House and the Senate pass a budget blueprint for the next fiscal year.

But, apparently, there is a Constitutional issue with such a move..

But it's interesting that it's the REPUBLICANS that are pushing for this plan, iddn't it?? :D

Michale

I am all for your idea. Hold the luser's paychecks until they do their jobs!!

This isn't (or rather, SHOULDN'T) be a partisan issue..

EVERY Weigantian should be chiming in and holding ALL of our political leaders responsible for this gross negligence..

But, as is with MANY issues we discuss here, ideological loyalty wins out.... :^/

Michale

OK, I had my required 3 Diet Cokes and now this makes more sense.. :D

However, it would be different than we have it now because at least the branches of Congress would have actually ATTEMPTED to do their jobs.. They would be ON RECORD as to exactly where all our tax dollars are going...

I mean, seriously. The Democrats in the Senate havn't even ATTEMPTED to do a budget in YEARS!!

WHY!!????

I'll tell you why.

Because they don't want the American people to know how they are spending OUR money!!

No other reason makes sense and fits the facts...

No matter how you spin this, the Democrat Senate is violating the law AND screwing over the American people at the same time..

And yes, the same thing would be said about Republicans if THEY were doing the same thing..

Michale

Yes, YOU do.. But you are an endangered spieces in that regard...

I'll lay down 10K Quatloos that racism will be blamed for the prosecution...

Michale

I see your point and it is a valid point.

However, I still believe that if a person does THEIR job, they should get paid. They should not be penalized because their co-workers didn't do THEIR jobs...

To put it another way: in what universe does the House think it has the power to cut Senate paychecks on its own say? That's just laughable...

How is the House cutting the Senate's paycheck?? The House DID it's job??

If the Senate would do theirs, then they would get paid..

Michale

Oh, no, you're wrong on this one. Say Cantor's law passed. The House passes a GOP "budget" and the Senate passes a Dem "budget," and both go home. So they both should be paid? How does that change anything from what we have now?

To put it another way: in what universe does the House think it has the power to cut Senate paychecks on its own say? That's just laughable...

If the law doesn't say "a budget which passes both Houses and is put on the desk of the president" then it is nothing more than partisan posturing. Sorry. That reality just can't be spun.

California -- by citizen's initiative -- passed a REAL law. No budget -- a REAL budget, mind you -- then, no pay. We used to wait like SIX TO NINE MONTHS from the due date for a budget. Do a web search on "CA IOU" to see what happened. It was ugly.

We passed a law. The first year, they tested it. Their pay got cut off. 12 days later, we had a budget. Since then, I don't think they've been late FOR A SINGLE DAY, even once.

These laws work. But they have to have teeth.

Oh, and by the way, the Senate passed a "Continuing Resolution" each year, and Obama signed it, a loophole in the law, but not as bad as you suggest.

I really did miss Nagin, I'll get him next week, promise... you know I nail these guys when I notice them, right?

-CW

Emphasis mine....

Michale

I disagree..

The HOUSE did it's job so they should be paid..

They shouldn't be penalized if the Senate still refuses to do IT'S job..

The fact that Democrats and the POTUS hasn't passed a budget in year **IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW** is somewhat noteworthy, wouldn't ya'all agree??

Now, I am not the political giants ya'all are... I am a simple knuckle dragging ground pounder..

But I DO know common sense..

The House does it's job how the House does it's job..

I seem to recall that, when the Democrats held the House, they were applauded for ignoring political machinations and protocol and doing the right thing, what the Senate does be damned...

So, why is it any difference when the Republicans hold the House???

I'll get to your TPs in the morning.. Just wanted to go on the record on this point..

If the House does it's job, they deserve to get paid.

They shouldn't have to suffer because the Senate is more worried about a Party's political agenda at the expense of the country...

Looks like I missed the Nagin news. Oh, well, there's always next week's MDDOTW...

Yep.. SO much for the claim that Republicans are evil incarnate and Democrats are pure as the driven snow.. :D

Michale

Looks like I missed the Nagin news. Oh, well, there's always next week's MDDOTW...

-CW