'THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED'

That ends ANY discussion..

Michale

Why are gun sales going thru the roof all over the country??

Because the vast majority of Americans are AGAINST the Democrats and their visions of a gun-free America...

Michale

Ya know.. Statistics.. They thing ya'all claim to love..

Each of the following countries have a higher murder per capita rate than the US...

Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.3

The US's murder per capita rate is 4.2

Do you know what else all those countries have in common??

They all have a complete gun ban in place..

Once again, the stats show that gun bans != safe.

Michale

http://sjfm.us/temp/drudgeheadline.jpg

THERE is a Drudge headline I never thought I would EVER see....

I have to admit, I was wrong..

I thought Democrats would run in fear from Gun Control..

Looks like they are going off the deep end in their mis-guided attempts to totally shred the US Constitution...

This is going to get REALLY ugly...

Michale

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9788827/Humanoid-robot-pictured-on-International-Space-Station.html

We now have humanoid robots working in outer space.

Can flying cars be far behind?? :D

Michale

Here's Why Someone Would Need To Own An 'Assault' Rifle
Consider that, according to FBI data, in 2007, there were 453 homicides by rifle in the U.S. Yes, that's too many. But compare that number to a few other methods of homicide employed that year.

In 2007, there were 1,817 homicides committed with "knives or cutting instruments"; "blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)" killed 674; while "personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)" were the choices in 869 homicides.

The number of rifle homicides has fallen steadily since then to 323 last year, as have the other three weapon classes, though each still remains a more common choice than the rifle.

In fact, when added together, knives, blunt instruments and the human body were responsible for more than nine times as many homicides as rifles in 2011.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/122812-638766-more-killed-by-knives-hammers-fists-than-with-rifles.htm?ven=OutBrainCP

Michale

Interesting..

This woman is afraid about a bad guy using a gun for violence at her kid's school but feels better when there is a good guy with a gun at the school..

So, apparently, GUNS are not the problem....

This is why Gun Control fanatics are so moronic. Their position is based on hysteria and fear. Not an ounce of logic or reason in the mix whatsoever..

Michale

Some third world tinpot dictator using free phones to buy votes!!

And then there is the guy in Nigeria...

:D hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Michale

One is to bear witness to First Contact..

The other is to see Al Gore exposed for the money-hungry con man charlatan that he is..

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/current_situation_XLE3W50v6I9Gbyqe6Z4pFP

{rustle of papers} CHECK!

Gods, it's tough being right so often... :D

Michale

Not really, but I am happy I can make ya laugh.. :D

"Who doesn't appreciate a man that can make them laugh!!"
-Genie, ALLADIN

After yer done giggling, maybe you can indulge me and explain the logic... :D

Going back to this point this isn't true at all. The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by poorer people or people with a poor socio-economic history.

Yes, with emphasis on "CRIMES".. If a criminal wants a gun, he will likely get one. Even if he has to steal it from a 1%'er..

Since you can't GURANTEE that bad guys will NOT get guns, the ONLY thing a ban will do is prevent law-abiding people from defending themselves..

And the best method of gun control is decreasing the number of guns in circulation so that idiots can't get their hands on them -

Yet, idiots will STILL find a way...

While you may be right that more laws = less gun violence (the stats don't show this, but let's run with it) do you think a family killed by a home invader will be thankful that, even though THEY were brutally butchered, at least gun deaths are down across the country..

Do you think THAT would matter to the people killed and the families and friends of the people killed?? People who would otherwise have been alive if they had had the means to defend themselves??

Even if you are 1000% dead on ballz accurate, bad guys will STILL get guns.. People will STILL be killed by bad guys with guns..

Do YOU want to explain to a little girl whose father was gunned down by a mugger that, while it's a shame her father was brutally murdered, at least gun deaths are lower.

Do YOU want to try to sell her on how good that is??

Do you?? Because I sure as hell wouldn't want to..

Michale

Where is the logic in doing that, if guns are the problem??

Lolololol this actually made me laugh a lot. I don't think you intended it as a joke though ;)

But then only the 1% would have guns.. And the 99% would be even MORE at their mercy than they financial advantage gives them...

Going back to this point this isn't true at all. The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by poorer people or people with a poor socio-economic history.

And the best method of gun control is decreasing the number of guns in circulation so that idiots can't get their hands on them - this is a good method to achieve this using the power of capitalism (although not as good as just banning guns ;))

And yet, it's the RIFLES that the Hysterical Left is going after..

Sure, they would like to ban ALL guns. But they know that, if they tried that, there would be a full blown revolution in this country.

And only ONE side would be armed..

That's my entire point.. The current discussions of legislation being bandied about are nothing but placebos that will have absolutely NO effect..

How do I know?? Because we (The US) have already tried it.. Every time the US has tried some type of Gun Control, it had absolutely NO EFFECT on gun crime or gun violence..

We tried a ban in '68.. Gun violence actually increased.

Another ban was tried in '94. MORE guns actually hit the market..

Discussions of a ban in the here and now have prompted gun sales and ammunition sales that have exploded and gone thru the roof..

All of this is evidence that GUNS are not the problem..

The people who misuse them are the problem...

Do you know how I know that guns are not the problem??

Because, here in the US, if people have a problem with a person with a gun..... They call ANOTHER person with a gun...

Where is the logic in doing that, if guns are the problem??

Michale

I thought it was pretty stupid but a lot of people are making the (sensible) point that it is a lot less stupid than not paying your bills and collapsing the entire worldwide economy...

To add to this, my first thoughts were that creating a trillion dollar bill would obviously lead to inflation. But I was wrong and stupidly made the mistake many Republicans (and others) are making by equating the debt ceiling to debt. That is, printing a $1 bill TO PAY DEBT THAT ALREADY EXISTS would have no inflationary affects are you're not creating more debt. In effect, you are simply just raising the debt ceiling through back-door method...

People kill more with their hands than they do with rifles.

I assume by rifles you mean rifles and not guns? Because otherwise every single one of these is wrong (at least in America, where TWICE the number of people are murdered by guns than any other weapon)... And even if you do mean rifles then you're basically picking a particular gun to try and prove that guns aren't bad. It'd be like saying 'more people are killed with hands than Walther PPKs'. Sure but it doesn't mean much...

PS. This is literally the only gun type I know, I'm sure you know why ;)

Funny thing about the Hagel Nomination..

Both the Left **AND** the Right don't like him...

I am amazed that Obama would pick this fight.. Especially after Rice tanked...

Michale

I appreciate your honestly and am heartened to see your reaction is not the normal knee-jerk GunsAreEvil ThinkOfTheChildren that permeates the hysteria of the Left on this issue.

Here are some interesting stats.

People kill more with hammers than they do with rifles.

People kill more with clubs/bats than they do with rifles.

People kill more with their feet than they do with rifles.

People kill more with their hands than they do with rifles.

Now, what's the common denominator in all those stats??

People...

You can take away the tool and these people who kill will simply find another tool..

Surely, it's more logical to address the problem rather than just take away one tool...

Especially since that tool SAVES more lives than it takes..

As I indicate time and time again..

It's an emotional topic, but the only emotionalism comes from the Gun Control crowd..

If they could make their case w/o emotionalism, then they deserve to have their case heard..

If they can't, then they don't..

It's really that simple...

Hmmm perhaps some sort of massive gun tax or bullet tax might be a good method of gun control?

But then only the 1% would have guns.. And the 99% would be even MORE at their mercy than they financial advantage gives them...

If you can, catch STAR TREK TOS episode A PRIVATE LITTLE WAR..

THAT's the logical solution to gun violence..

Since we ALL agree it's impossible to take the guns away from the bad guys, the ONLY logical solution is to make sure the good guys can arm themselves..

Michale

But I understand reality and you're a long, long way from this in American. But (especially in America) there is no better way to deal with any risk than using the full power of capitalism and economic theory (i.e. what would happen to prices/availability of guns during a ban) to reduce gun risk...

Hmmm perhaps some sort of massive gun tax or bullet tax might be a good method of gun control?

Yea, that's what they said in Germany and Russia.

It does no harm..

Until it does some harm..

There is absolutely NO reason to maintain a firearm ownership database except as a precursor to eventual confiscation..

We already have an NCIC network that covers firearms used in crimes.

Your idea is simply profiling gun owners based on NOTHING but hysteria and fear-mongering...

Michale

It does no harm in many modern Western democracies, including my current hosts your neighbours to the north...

Bit of a clarification. The legislation being proposed would publicize who owns guns.

Those who do not own guns would be identified by omission.

Now, if the Hysterical Left wants legislation that will BOOST gun sales... That piece of hilarity would just about fit the bill.. :D

Keeping a database of gun owners sounds like a sensible and logical thing to do;

Yea, it went over big in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and all sorts of fun places and societies to emulate..

publishing it is just stupid.

Glad to see you haven't COMPLETELY abandoned logic.. :D

Got to hand it to your Democrats.. They come up with some real "winners", don't they?? :D

Michale

Possibly THE most boneheaded "Gun Control" measure in the history of boneheaded gun control measures..

The Hysterical Left is advocating legislation that will publicize who owns guns and who does not..

While they have a high and mighty name for it, let's just call it what it is..

The Road Map For Criminals So They Can Target Homes That Don't Have Any Defense legislation...

Of course, NO ONE is going to want to NOT be on that list.. Why would ANYONE want to advertise their weak??

So, naturally, those people will go out and buy a gun so as not to be on the Road Map For Criminals So They Can Target Homes That Don't Have Any Defense list...

Let me ask the Hysterical Left a very serious question.

Do they actually THINK thru being stoopid?? Or just jump in with both feet, logic be damned and let their emotions make the calls???

I sincerely am curious....

As I have said before (and NO ONE has successfully refuted) if Gun Control is the right way to go, why don't the Gun Control fanatics make their case on it's own merits??

With logic and reason??

Why do they need a bunch of kids to be gunned down to make their case??

That alone should be a HUGE clue to everyone as to the "merits" (or lack thereof) of the Gun Control fanatics' agenda.

Michale

"In two terms in the Senate, Chuck has earned the respect of his colleagues and risen to national prominence as a clear voice on foreign policy and national security."
- Mitch McConnell

Something tells me Mr McConnell's opinion of Mr Hagel might be doing a 360 today...

NO AID PACKAGE has been sent to Sandy-hit areas.

Completely 10000% wrong. I mean seriously you cannot be this ignorant? What planet do you live on? (Michale-world?)

FEMA has been providing funds ever since Obama immediately declared a federal State of Emergency in NY and NJ States (which is required for FEMA (federal) funds to be released). It took Bush DAYS to do this for Katrina; Obama had it done in MINUTES (he literally signed this in the early hours of the morning).

The recent Sandy packages are TOP-UP packages because the funding that FEMA has is about to run out (their disaster relief fund is almost dried up).

I mean seriously man. You need to examine your news sources if you are not aware of these simple facts.

And yes debating this is pointless because whatever sources you use for news and info are about as useful as getting your news and info from a monkey on a typewriter... Get a grip on reality.

I deal in reality.

You deal in Obama-Love...

There is no common frame of reference between us..

Michale

Once again, your facts are non-existent.

There has been NO dollars sent to Sandy relief, FEMA or other wise.

Hell, there has barely been a FEMA presence in Sandy hit areas...

NO AID PACKAGE has been sent to Sandy-hit areas.

Period..

Michale

And then cut it short to go do what needed to be done..

You are comparing apples and alligators..

Obama went on vacation AFTER Sandy and BEFORE any federal aid packages were approved..

No matter how you try to spin it, Obama's a prick. Period...

Michale

Absolutely. Hence the FEMA dollars that arrived the DAY SANDY HIT. Right as Romney and Republicans were going through an election arguing that FEMA should be privitized as disaster relief shouldn't be a Government thing.

But again "please proceed" as your 'facts' on this are quite amazing :)

I have no "right wing" mentality..

My mentality is "common sense"..

It just LOOKS like a right-wing mentality from the far Left...

Michale

Actually Bush was on vacation when Katrina hit. And after it hit he stayed on vacation. But in the words of Obama on this subject "please proceed"

Because your posts are entertaining :)

Glad to see you acknowledge the validity of the facts..

You may not be as far gone as I thought. And you DID admit to Obama's incompetence in the economy..

So, kudos... :D

Michale

At Katrina, the Left, including Weigantians, had readily established beyond ANY doubt that disaster relief is solely and completely a federal responsibility...

But, I guess that's only true if the POTUS has an '-R' after his name... :^/

Michale

I had to quote this because it is so amazing.

Thank you.

http://yawper.org/2013/01/03/sandy-and-katrina-aid-a-contrast-in-leadership/

Michale

Bush rammed aid thru Congress for Katrina within 9 days. Another package was pushed thru Congress 6 days later.. Bush waved the Jones Act and invoked the Stafford Act to funnel aid to Katrina faster...

It's been THREE MONTHS since Sandy and there hasn't been an aid package put thru Congress..

Yea, I know, I know.. It's all the Republicans fault..

But funny thing is, Obama still had time for a Hawaiian vacation...

Imagine if Bush had took time off in Crawford after NOT getting an aid package to Katrina three months later..

The Left would have crucified him, screamed hysterically for his impeachment..

But, Obama gets a pass. Once again, the power of the almighty '-D'...

Michale

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/11/04/the-post-sandy-fema-clusterfark/

When you account for the severity of Katrina over Sandy, Bush was a damn hero in his response to Katrina compared to Obama's lack of response to Sandy.

Oh sure, the Leftist MSM sure played up Obama's response.. But that's just the Leftist MSM...

When you talk to the people on the ground in Staten Island???

Well, that lady linked above is a typical example.

Obama used those people to get re-elected and then, when he won the election and they were no longer useful, he discarded them. Ignored them.

Like I said. A real prick..

Michale

I will write a non-basic BASIC version too:
Obama gives hand-out = Obama is an evil socialist who wants people relying on Government
Obama doesn't give hand-out = Obama evil for failing to help people
Obama does anything = Obama is evil.
Obama = Evil.

Might as well just jump to the last point and cut out all the crap ;)

Yes, I actually read the story..

I wonder what you expected Obama to do

I expected him to abide by his promise to eliminate beuracratic red tape and get aid to those people.

If he couldn't do it, as you indicate, he shouldn't promise it..

Just like the lady he promised to help her husband find a job. It was a great PR sound bite.. But when the cameras were off and the lady followed up, Obama basically told her to get lost...

Like I said. It's a disturbing pattern..

But I don't expect you to concede it...

Michale

Except that, during the Bush years, it wasn't "stupid" not to raise the debt ceiling and/or not pay the bills.

It is EXACTLY what the Left advocated.

And, if I had a better handle on the search engines, I could prove it..

But the facts are clear.

I can even put it in BASIC format for you.

10 IF POTUS=-D GOTO 30
20 IF POTUS=-R GOTO 40
30 +DebtCeiling=+Debt=RTTD
40 +DebtCeiling=+Debt=WTTD
50 RTTD=AWESOMEpotus
60 WTTD=EvilWarCriminalHitlerPOTUS
70 END

Michale

Whatta prick....

Lol did you actually read the story? Or because it's on Fox you just assume that it means Obama is the bad guy?

I wonder what you expected Obama to do - intervene and force the insurance company to pay out her insurance claim??? I can only imagine the headlines on Fox about the upcoming socialist takeover of America if he actually went ahead and did this lol.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the trillion dollar coin idea...?

I thought it was pretty stupid but a lot of people are making the (sensible) point that it is a lot less stupid than not paying your bills and collapsing the entire worldwide economy...

Not, that means just common sense..

We don't live in the Leftist KoomByeYa world..

"Ya'all live in your own little world, don't you?"
"Yes we do, Professor. We don't have the luxury of living in yours."
-The Manhattan Project

Michale

Hmmm. The Pentagon needs a budget ...

That means pressure from the military lobby. What I would have recommended is to send this back to Congress and let them deal with the military lobby.

If you want a budget so badly, here's what I won't pass and put it back on the House. Then let the House deal with the military lobby.

On the positive front, kudos for not buckling on the estate tax and upper rate for the wealthy!!!

-David

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/04/sandy-victim-needs-more-than-hugs-to-rebuild-business-along-new-jersey-shore/

This is becoming a disturbing pattern with Obama..

Singling people out for assistance to milk the PR benefits and then just hanging them out to dry..

Whatta prick....

Michale

Really?? Honestly, I thought it was much ado about nothing..

So Pelosi photoshopped a few people in that were late for the shoot.. BFD..

On issues to slap down Pelosi about, this ranks way WAY down on the list...

This is going to be shocking news to many Americans as they listened to Democratic politicians and the media tell them that the deal "would not raise taxes on middle class Americans" -- even though it will do precisely that.

HA!!!

Hypocrites and Liars, thy name is Democrats..

Someone remind me again how Democrats are "better" than Republicans?? :D

Which is why President Obama is our Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week this week. Don't make threats you aren't going to follow through on, Mister President. You just weaken yourself by doing so. If you're going to cave in the end, then refrain from making the veto threat in the first place -- it's that simple.

Awwwwwww.. I had actually been ready to give ya a kewpie for finally coming down hard on Obama for being more Bush than Bush.. A topic that is nearly verboten around here...

But then ya had to go and spoil it by pivoting onto the VETO issue..

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you completely. If you make a VETO threat, you better follow through or you are going to look weak.. While I don't think the lack of balls rises to the level of an MDDOTW award, it is definitely noteworthy..

I DO have to give you half a kewpie though for at least articulating how badly Obama has totally destroyed the Democrats "moral outrage" mirage on the issue of torture, rendition, unparallelled domestic surveillance and the like. Obama has aptly proven beyond ANY doubt that Democrats opposition to Bush's CT and NS Policies were based on NOTHING but partisan agenda at the risk of this country's security.

For shame, Democrats. For shame...

Personally, I would have gone for the dishonorable mention of the limp-dicked VETO threat and awarded Obama the MDDOTW award for his blatant, ongoing and increasing violations of some of the Democratic Party's most basic and (apparently NOT) revered platforms..

But that's why yer the Big Cheese and I am just a prolific peon.. :D

As to your TPs, I really only have a problem with the last one..

How long are unemployment benefits now?? Two years??? THREE Years!!???

My gods, are we REALLY paying people THAT long to not work!!???

Anyone who can't find a job in TWO years is NOT looking..

Anyone who can't find a job in TWO years is a lazy bum... PERIOD...

Michale