In all the mass-shootings since 1950 the average number of people killed before cops arrived and stopped the perp was 14.

The average number of people killed when the perp was stopped by an armed civilian??

2.5

The solution to the problem of mass-shootings is a no brainer...

Michale
0565

The Hysterical Left is ridiculing the NRA's stance that armed officers should be in schools..

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service

Yet, the First Daughters have ELEVEN armed officers at their school, not counting Secret Service...

Ahhhhh I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.... :D

Michale
0564

Touche' :D

Michale
0552

Or a NINJA! :p

"the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Michale
0551

MoveOn is on board with my idea of armed officers in every school..

My gods, maybe today IS the end of the world!

Michale
0545

You make the claim..

YOU provide the substantiation..

Regardless, did I say "armed guard"??

No.. I said TEACHERS and/or ADMINISTRATORs

My claim still stands as factual..

Your claim is false (IE bullshit) until proven otherwise.

Again you don't understand how banning or limiting something works. ANYTHING that means less guns out there means less chance of Sandy Hook happening again. LITERALLY ANYTHING. That is how supply and demand works...

Again. Bullshit..

You are using the Republicans "trickle down" theory..

You are claiming that, just because weapons are "banned" that HAS to mean a Sandy Hook can't happen..

It's pure unadulterated bullshit...

Unless you can enforce a complete ban (which you can't) a ban does absolutely NO GOOD..

Mexico has a COMPLETE BAN... Has some of the highest gun violence in the world..

Switzerland and Israel?? A gun in every cupboard. Some of the highest gun ownership per capita in the world..

Also amongst the lowest gun violence in the world..

There is NO CORRELATION between gun laws and gun violence.

NONE... ZERO.... ZILCH.... NADA...

Your OWN stats PROVE this...

NO LAWS would have prevented Sandy Hook... PERIOD...

Gun laws are NOT the answer...

They have been tried here in the US and they have failed time and time again..

Get a clue, dood. Yer way outta yer comfort zone..

Michale
0544

(Had to put intellectual in inverted commas so I don't get accused of word abuse on the level of your abuse of the word fact!)

The Left just wants to push their agenda, dead children be damned..

Again you don't understand how banning or limiting something works. ANYTHING that means less guns out there means less chance of Sandy Hook happening again. LITERALLY ANYTHING. That is how supply and demand works...

And you are not entitled to your own facts...

Uhm what's that buzzer noise again. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP.
WRONG ANSWER.

It amazes me how wrong you are in your 'facts' almost every single time lolololol.

Ever heard of a school called Columbine? You might want to look up the armed guard situation at that school back in 1999...

They don't want to talk about ACTUAL solutions that would PREVENT another Sandy Hook.

The Left just wants to push their agenda, dead children be damned..

It's sickening...

Michale
0543

I have no problem with those..

But would they have prevented Sandy Hook??

No, they wouldn't have..

Why are you suggesting things using Sandy Hook as an excuse when the things you are suggesting would not have STOPPED Sandy Hook???

Once again.... DUUUHHHHHHH

Michale
0542

Guess how many of them have ever had a mass-shooting event??

NONE... ZERO... ZILCH... NADA...

Guess how many of them have ever had a weapons related accident??

NONE... ZERO... ZILCH... NADA...

The facts are clear.. They lead to one inescapable conclusion..

I am sorry (not really) that the facts derail your leftist agenda..

But these ARE the facts..

And you are not entitled to your own facts...

Michale
0541

Nope the NRA TOTALLY got the mood of the nation correct - MORE GUNS AND LESS CONTROLS is what the nation is hoping for...

You do? I've yet to hear them. The finest logic you've come up with is that a gun = a car lol.

But you are correct, I absolutely should give it up in the face of such 'logic' and 'facts' - since anyone who believes things like the above statement is clearly beyond the point of rational discussion or debate...

Whatever allows you to sleep at night. :D

Michale
0540

DAMN YOU AND YOUR LIBERAL BIAS FORMER RNC CHAIRMAN!!!!!

UK != USA

What may work there (which is dubious because you cherry pick your stats) does not mean it will work here..

Give it up.. You won't win this argument because all you have on your side is hysterical emotionalism and I have logic, facts, and precedent...

You can't win!! I've got God on my side!!!
-Max Van Sydow, NEEDFUL THINGS

:D

Michale
0539

Lolol the facts show this very clearly. You (and others) INTERPRETATION of the facts does not lolol.

Yes that is an absolute no-brainer solution. The UK, after an almost identical attack on a school, banned guns and we've had a massive ZERO attacks on schools since then (16 years and counting). Stupid silly UK leaving our kids in buildings where people aren't carrying deadly weapons. What on earth were we thinking?????

And, since your own STATS showed no correlation, well..

And I was not the only one here who pointed this out...

The facts clearly show that strict gun laws do NOT equal less gun violence..

Therefore, other solutions must be considered..

Having an armed officer at schools is a no-brainer..

Which explains why our Democrat leaders won't consider it.

They have no brains. Only a political agenda. :D

Michale
0538

And Democrats are completely misreading the solution.. The solution isn't stricter laws..

CT has some of the strictest laws in the country.

Guess what??

The didn't prevent gun violence..

The solution isn't to create MORE victims...

I am amazed I have to explain this...

Michale
0537

You mean statistics like: guns are like cars, you take your kids to school in them!

Or that polling shows 65% said that allowing assault weapons ownership makes the country more dangerous? Nah the NRA totally hasn't got the mood of the nation wrong - we need more guns not less! MORE GUNS NOW!

:D

Michale
0536

Like I said.. The media is in the bag for Obama and Democrats..

Once again.. DUH....

Michale
0535

In a Gallup Poll over 50% of Independents, Republicans and DEMOCRATS said that police officers at schools is the best solution.

In other words, more guns is the best solution according to the majority of ALL Americans, regardless of political affiliation..

Michale
0534

26 people just died and these utter morons are crowing about how there isn't a gun violence problem and completely misread the mood of the nation..

FYP

Of course the media thought the same..

They are in the bag for Obama and Democrats..

Duh.....

Michale
0533

Sounds like an Obama Press Conference...

Michale
0532

I mean.. Seriously...

It's NOT a winning issue for Democrats...

Michale
0531

"This is the beginning of a serious conversation. We won’t be taking questions.
- NRA today

I thought the NRA press conference was completely absurd. An absolute joke. Could not have been further away from the mood of the nation if they tried. I am glad to see the media thought the same.

"The NRA’s Washington leadership has long been out of step with its members, and never has that been so apparent as this morning. Their press conference was a shameful evasion of the crisis facing our country. Instead of offering solutions to a problem they have helped create, they offered a paranoid, dystopian vision of a more dangerous and violent America where everyone is armed and no place is safe. Leadership is about taking responsibility, especially in times of crisis. Today the NRA’s lobbyists blamed everyone but themselves for the crisis of gun violence. While they promote armed guards, they continue to oppose the most basic and common sense steps we can take to save lives - not only in schools, but in our movie theaters, malls, and streets. Enough. As a country, we must rise above special interest politics. Every day, 34 Americans are murdered with guns. That’s why 74 percent of NRA members support common sense restrictions like criminal background checks for anyone buying a gun. It is time for Americans who care about the Second Amendment and reasonable gun restrictions to join together to work with the President and Congress to stop the gun violence in this country. Demand a plan.”
- Michael Bloomberg responds to the NRA conference

We don't have to debate. The NRA is winning the debate for us.

-David

Cuz, let's face facts.. Ya'all didna fare too well the last time... :D

Michale
0530

Ahhh Yea.. No Left-Wing bias in the MSM... NONE whatsoever... :D

Michale
0529

“I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey. Don’t buy that malarkey. They’re going to start peddling that to you. If he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”
-Senator Biden

I'm just sayin'... :D

Michale
0528

Those damn liberals!!! They're everywhere!!!!!

Trying to take our guns and our freedumz!

Even Obama is worried!

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-paranoid-government-coming-for-his-guns,30638/

-David

This is true for about 3/4 of Republicans nowadays.

"I’d say I’m in disbelief, but this clown show has been going on too long now to say that."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/now-what/

Those Lefties ... what will they come up with next?!!!

-David

There is no doubt that this is embarrassing for Boehner and is well-deserved..

My only point has been it's undeniable that Democrats have done this and so much more often than Republicans...

In other words, it's something new for Republicans..

It's old hat with Democrats (Google "herding cats") :D

Michale
0526

In other news I liked the BBC North American Editor's take on yesterday: "Republican leader John Boehner has not just ended up with egg on his face. There is probably a side of hash browns, and the odd waffle and drop of maple syrup sticking to him as well."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20807464

Good call, michty

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/12/20/scott-brown-would-win-special-election-today/

Michale
0525

Michale
0524

It wasn't the GOP that did it. It was her own bonehead lies...

As far as gaining a Senate seat, how do ya figure?? Kerry will be SecState and MA gov will appt a Dem to place hold...

Michale
MFCCFL

But even worse is how far he is pushing the boundary on future cuts to social programs. I'm not totally against these - Medicare etc are going to be problems IN FUTURE - but I think it would be better to tackle the problems of the CURRENT deficit first before tackling future deficit problems lol.

And on that front lack of REVENUE is one of the 3 biggest issues facing America today.

You obviously didn't listen to CW's interview.. :D

He's a very reliable source. If he says it's out there, then it's out there...

So, what do ya say?? You still an Obama-Bot drunk on the kool-aid if Obama goes to 800K?? :D

Michale
0522

Probably one of my favourite blogs actually, in that is breaks down the numbers and shows how stupid both sides are in America.

Man you had me scurrying all over trying to find this $800k thing, I thought you were serious!

CW :D

Here is the latest graphs of offers and compromises including Plan B

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2012/12/fiscaloffers31.jpg

Yer source is "WonkBlog"???

No wonder yer laughing.. I would laugh too at such ridiculousness.. :D

Michale
0521

"I want to be clear on this, so I’m going to repeat it: The level of tax revenues the Obama administration is seeking is not sufficient to fund the federal government in the long term. That’s why the major fiscal commissions arrived at much higher tax totals: Simpson-Bowles had $2.6 trillion in revenue, and Domenici-Rivlin called for $1.6 trillion."

"It would be interesting if the White House made it clear that this is a onetime offer, meaning that if Republicans drive us off the cliff, the offer is off the table, and they won’t accept anything less than, say, $1.5 trillion in taxes. But they’re not likely to do that. If we go off the cliff and the Republicans get blamed and decide to fold, the White House isn’t going to risk making themselves the bad guys by opposing their own offer. And even if they did risk it, congressional Democrats wouldn’t hold the line."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2012/12/fiscaloffers31.jpg

LOL.

Find any sociologist who thinks >$100k (i.e. top 10% earner) is middle class.

Source on the $800k?

Yea, that happened with Democrats weekly..

Like I said, I understand ya'alls giddiness. It's fun for ya'all to see Republicans have the same faults as Democrats.. :D

This is probably one of the dumbest posts you've made Michale. I think you don't understand what 'Middle' means. Clue: top 2% is not 'Middle'.

Chris himself said that those who earn $250K a year would be upper Middle Class. I believe that's the EXACT term he used..

Remember, we're talking about the US, not the UK...

Here in the US, People, Families and Businesses who earn $250K a year are considered upper middle class.

It's moot anyways. Obama upped the income bracket to $800K.... I can live with that..

Michale
0520

Why tax the Middle Class???

This is probably one of the dumbest posts you've made Michale. I think you don't understand what 'Middle' means. Clue: top 2% is not 'Middle'.

Not a joke!

Or just go over the cliff and then pass a bill to protect those earning <$250k from tax cuts. The bill would have universal support since taxes will have already gone up and the Church of Norquist and Republican says you MUST vote for anything that decreases taxes...

Of course Obama continues to be naive and actually try to negotiate with these idiots. If I were Obama I would just make it clear this is what I'm doing see you on Jan 2nd.

The sequester cuts are actually considerably less harmful to the poor/elderly/veterans/unemployed than the cuts Obama proposed in his own latest offer. Why the Republicans didn't snap his hand off I'll never know.

The only downside to this path is that it pushes the extension of the debt ceiling into 2013...

I am constrained to point out that Democrats routinely have had to pull legislation from consideration when they couldn't muster the votes for their own members...

Maybe that explains ya'alls giddiness......

Uhm you miss the point that this wasn't a normal piece of legislation but a complete stunt vote which he BROKE OFF NEGOTIATIONS to have. He broke off negotiations for 3 DAYS to do NOTHING. This is just a tad different than a normal piece of legislation being pulled... When you can't even pass your stunt votes you are in trouble...

Equals ONE Specific Spending Cut..

OK, Democrats can raise ONE millionaire's taxes.

Com'on David. That's not a compromise, it's a cop out..

Put specific medicare cuts on the table. Put specific welfare cuts on the table. Put specific Unemployment cuts on the table.. Put Stimulus spending on hold. Put specific Defense Cuts on the table..

Be as specific on cuts as Democrats want specifics on taxes..

Anything less and it ain't a compromise..

That's the sound of crickets saying: Eat a shit sandwich America!

Yep and it's DEMOCRATS as well as Republicans who are spreading the shit...

Michale
0518

Hahahahah. Ummm ... No.

Where are ANY compromises from Republicans on revenue?

Clearly though Michale you are determined to defend them at all costs.

Good luck w/ your insanity defense and Merry Xmas!

-David

CPI cuts to Social Security = specific spending cut .

How is that not specific, Michale? And a not popular one at that.

Where's the Republican compromise again?

<<<<>>>>

That's the sound of crickets saying: Eat a shit sandwich America!

-David

Here's the list again ...

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11798889/1/here-are-the-budget-cuts-president-obama-has-offered.html

Now where's that Republican compromise?

Oh yeah, there isn't one.

Nut ... jobs.

-David

Yea, about as specific as Obama saying he will forgo a hair treatment to once every 2 weeks instead of once every week...

Com'on David! Those cuts amount to less then a billion dollars...

That's not cuts, that's accounting gimmicks... It's like saying we're gonna have an extra 5 billion to spend when the Afghan war is over...

At best, it's a gimmick. At worst, it's an out an out lie...

Michale
0515

Bullshit...

OK, I will give you a cookie.. Democrats DO appear to be compromising on the tax hike cut-off... I hear it's up to $800K...

So, in that, they are compromising..

But, my point is still valid.. Until Democrats put specific spending cuts on the table, they aren't compromising...

Michale
0514

Specific cuts ...

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11798889/1/here-are-the-budget-cuts-president-obama-has-offered.html

AND Democrats were willing to accept the Republican cuts to Social Security through the chained CPI.

Republicans have gone off a cliff alright. The sanity one.

-David

Which, under Democrat rule, happened at least a couple times a week..

Big deal.... It's a straw dragon yer trying to slay...

Michale
0512

Bullshit...

When Democrats put specific Spending Cuts on the table, THEN you can make the claim that Democrats are willing to compromise..

Until that happens, you can't...

Michale
0511

Democrats = Willing to compromise

Republicans = Unable to pass their own compromise

-David

Dear Congressman Chabot,

What is wrong with the Republican party?

When you can't even pass your own compromise, it looks like you're incapable of any type of leadership whatsoever.

Have a great holiday.

-David

No matter how you spin it, BOTH Partys would screw over the American people because they can't have their way...

Why you think Democrats are any better, in spite of a BUTTLOAD of evidence to the contrary, is beyond me...

Michale
0509

Huh?

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11798889/1/here-are-the-budget-cuts-president-obama-has-offered.html

Maybe we should start talking about mental health again.

I'm curious as to how someone can continue to deny even the simplest of realities.

-David

Spooky... Just as I typed this, a huge gust of wind blew thru and made my back door fling open with a very loud BANG!!!!

Please excuse me. I have to go change my underwear... :D

Michale
0508

And Democrats won't accept anything less than NO SPENDING cuts...

Again, it works BOTH ways....

You can spin all you want, but the fact is the Republican party has just said they are unwilling to accept ANY compromise. Even their own.

And how is that any different than Democrats not willing to accept ANY compromise, even on THEIR own plan???

No wonder people see them as nutjobs.

Only Democrats see Republicans as nutjobs.. :D

Truly independents see ALL politicians as nutjobs.. :D

Michale
0507

That's just it, Michale. There can't be any compromise.

There can't be because Republicans won't accept anything less than no compromise - the Romney plan.

Republicans can't even pass the non-compromise compromise designed to make Democrats look uncompromising.

You can spin all you want, but the fact is the Republican party has just said they are unwilling to accept ANY compromise. Even their own.

No wonder people see them as nutjobs.

-David

Just as Democrats are willing to raise taxes on ALL of the Middle Class because they can't stick it to the Rich and the upper Middle Class...

As always, it works both ways..

You were on board with the million dollar a year mark before??

What has changed???

Where's yer sense of compromise???

And, if you say that the fiscal cliff, a new recession and the largest tax hike in history (unadjusted for inflation) *IS* the compromise, I will surely taunt you a second time...... :D

Michale
0506

Don't worry.. I'll be here to pull ya'all down firmly back to Planet Earth.. :D

Michale
0505

Jeezus, ya'all act like this is a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence that ONLY happens to the Right..

I am constrained to point out that Democrats routinely have had to pull legislation from consideration when they couldn't muster the votes for their own members...

Much more so than Republicans..

Maybe that explains ya'alls giddiness.......

" The last time I saw your father we were in the library. He was very close to tracking down the Knight's tomb. I've never seen him so excited. He was as giddy as a schoolboy."
"Who, Atilla The Professor? He was never giddy, even when he was a schoolboy."
-Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade

:D

..... over it happening to Republicans. Because it's so rare... :D

Michale
0504

But apparently this plan is even too extreme for Republicans?

WTF?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress-legacy/how-boehner-s-plan-b-vote-imploded-20121220

So let me get this straight ... They're willing to raise taxes on everyone because they can't include the payout to those making over $1 million a year?

BTW- If you make over $1 million a year, you are likely far more than a millionaire. This is per year.

I bet I know what they would vote for ... a tax cut for JUST those making over $1 million a year. I don't think they'd have any qualms about that whatsoever.

Even I'm struggling trying to understand what they're thinking with this vote though. Seriously, wtf happened?

-David

I am also constrained to point out that we are not talking about the "ultra rich"...

We're talking about people, familys and businesses that make $250K....

That isn't the "ultra rich" by ANY stretch..

If you want to tax people and businesses who make over a million a year, you won't hear a peep outta me. That the tax plan that David and I and Pelosi and Boehner agreed on.. You can't get more bi-partisan than that!! :D

To quote a wise oracle

"If you are going to tax the RICH then tax the RICH"

Why tax the Middle Class???

Michale
0503

Anyway might be a moot point, all reports just now saying that Boehner can't even get it passed. That's what happens when you try and jump ship before a deal is reached like a complete moron.

Once again, the bias is glaring...

Democrats have done this ALL the time and no one here said boo....

CW,
And, icing on the cake, Boehner just sent the House home until after Xmas.

How can you slam Boehner for sending everyone home for Xmas and give Reid a pass for doing the exact same thing??

Joshua,

i'll agree with you on the last point, but not on the preceding points. first, they always adjourn for christmas. and labor day, and flag day, to see a movie - pretty much any time of the day, week or year that they can possibly conceive not to work.

Exactly. And Weigantians have usually universally agreed that it's a horrendous act that BOTH Partys are guilty.

Now, some only agree it's "horrendous" only when Republicans do it.

second, it is not exactly a tax hike, it is the expiration of a tax cut. if you go to a store the day after a sale on an item expires, is it a price hike on the item, or did the prices just go back to normal?

Semantics.. If you are paying more in taxes, it's a tax hike...

If a person is paying $20 for an item that has been on "sale" for 10 years and one day the person has to pay $50 for the same item, it's a price increase. Do you think the customer is going to listen to the clerk when they say, "No, that was a sale price for a decade. Now it's at the normal price."

third, we're not talking about a huge amount of money, relative to the overall value. the statement that it's the largest rise "in history" doesn't take inflation into account, especially since the last time anyone's taxes went up the dollar was worth more than twice what it's worth now.

Again, semantics.. We can discuss what the definition of "is" is all day long.. But when all is said and done, it's the largest tax hike in history...

However, in the interests of fairness and accuracy...

It's the largest tax hike in history, unadjusted for inflation. :D

fourth, there's an un-mentioned benefit of reducing the
deficit, with the ultra rich contributing slightly higher percentages than the rest of us, for a change. deficits do matter, y'know.

Yea, they do.. Democrats should have thought of that before they increased it by trillions..

I am also constrained to point out that the kinds of taxes that Democrats are demanding won't put a dent in the deficit unless they get their spending addiction under control..

When you have an irresponsible teenager who can't stop spending money, giving them MORE money to spend is not the answer..

Michale
0502

Ummm ... yep

Hahahahahahhhhhaahhahhh. Boehner can't pass his own proposal. Wow. Just wow.

Great job, Johnny!

-David

I completely agree with that assessment.

I'd love to see Obama tell Boehner it's back to the original offer or you'll suffer the consequences of raising everyone's taxes.

Not a joke!

In fact if I were him I'd tell Boehner this offer is now off the table and his previous $250k level is now his offer :)

(I'm only half joking in the last paragraph as well)

And, icing on the cake, Boehner just sent the House home until after Xmas.

Everyone, all together now...

"We WISH you a Merry CLIFFmas
We WISH you a Merry CLIFFmas
We WISH you a Merry CLI-II-IIF-mas
And a Happy New Idear!"

OK, you have to say that last line with the New England trailing "R"... couldn't come up with a better last line...

Heh.

-CW

"The House did not take up the tax measure today because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass. Now it is up to the president to work with Senator Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff. The House has already passed legislation to stop all of the January 1 tax rate increases and replace the sequester with responsible spending cuts that will begin to address our nation's crippling debt. The Senate must now act."

Utterly amazing.

NO SPENDING cuts..

Loooooooooooooooool you can't even see when you contradict yourself in the same sentence.

Anyway might be a moot point, all reports just now saying that Boehner can't even get it passed. That's what happens when you try and jump ship before a deal is reached like a complete moron.

Although my point in [40] of Boehner using the vote as 'do you see what level of crazy I'm dealing with??' might be true...

Face it.. In THIS case, Democrats are no better than Republicans...

i'll agree with you on the last point, but not on the preceding points. first, they always adjourn for christmas. and labor day, and flag day, to see a movie - pretty much any time of the day, week or year that they can possibly conceive not to work.

second, it is not exactly a tax hike, it is the expiration of a tax cut. if you go to a store the day after a sale on an item expires, is it a price hike on the item, or did the prices just go back to normal?

third, we're not talking about a huge amount of money, relative to the overall value. the statement that it's the largest rise "in history" doesn't take inflation into account, especially since the last time anyone's taxes went up the dollar was worth more than twice what it's worth now.

fourth, there's an un-mentioned benefit of reducing the
deficit, with the ultra rich contributing slightly higher percentages than the rest of us, for a change. deficits do matter, y'know.

so no, for the most part it's not particularly horrendous.

~joshua

Plan B includes taxes on Millionaires (which Democrats CLAIM they want. NOW Democrats want taxes on the Middle Class)...

Plan B also includes indeterminate Spending Cuts to be agreed upon at a later date..

TAX HIKES for Millionaires..

NO SPENDING cuts..

And Democrats STILL say "NO!!"...

So who ain't compromisin' here!???

While I certainly agree with you in this instance, that both sides are bad, recent Republican acts are quite frankly horrendous.

You mean like dismissing Senators so they could go to a movie??

Adjourning for XMAS while Middle Class Americans are facing the largest tax hike in history..

THAT'S not "horrendous"???

Face it.. In THIS case, Democrats are no better than Republicans...

Michale
0501

Your bias is showing... AGAIN..

While I certainly agree with you in this instance, that both sides are bad, recent Republican acts are quite frankly horrendous. Once the Democrats start passing the same bill repealing Bush tax cuts for the wealthy 35 times in the Senate then you might have an argument. The recent batch of Republicans is bat-shit crazy and doesn't care about getting anything done...

Are you fraking KIDDING ME!!????

Lol uhm where did you get 'no spending cuts'?? I think you misread (1) What Republicans are proposing and (2) What exactly the Fiscal Cliff is (clue: the fiscal cliff isn't just taxes)...

Of course they're not compromising, they are voting on an initiative that THEY proposed, THEY like and Democrats have indicated will not pass because IT DOES NOT HAVE DEMOCRAT SUPPORT.

Do you know what compromise means? Compromise doesn't mean 'halt negotiations to put forward our own position and when the other side doesn't vote for it scream THEY DON'T COMPROMISE' lolol

I think you think compromise means 'negotiate and when negotiations stall you MUST ADOPT THE OTHER SIDES LATEST OFFER' lolololololololololololololol

I am constrained to point out that, here in Weigantia, it's universally accepted that neither Republicans NOR Democrats in Congress have a problem with evading work...

Your bias is showing... AGAIN..

On another note, I read somewhere that, according to a Mayan Shaaman, the Mayan Long Count Calendar officially ends at 0500 PDT 21 Dec 2012.

The wife and I are going to watch 2012 tonight. We WERE going to watch it tomorrow, but if the word DOES end, I don't want to miss it... :D

But at least I can share this auspicious occasion with my fellow Weigantians tonight...

FIVE HUNDRED POSTS BABY!!!!!!!!!

WOOT!!!! WOOT!!!!!

A new record!!! :D

Couldn't have done it without ya'all... :D

Michale
0500

Tax Hikes on millionaires..

NO Spending Cuts..

Democrats say no...

And REPUBLICANS aren't compromising!!???

Are you fraking KIDDING ME!!????

Michale
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What it stipulates is that if a piece of legislation is passed in either the Senate or House that the leader or the other Chamber has indicated won't even be allowed to come to the floor (or the President has indicated he will veto it), every single person who voted in favour of the Bill loses 5% of their taxpayer paid salary immediately.

And if you pass 35 bills in this manner, for example passing 35 bills in the House to over turn Obamacare, you will in fact have to PAY money (you lose all your salary plus are required to pay 75% of your salary's worth on top).

With the number of complete-waste-of-time-nonsense-bills passed by Republicans in the last 4 years, I'm pretty sure that this measure alone will resolve your deficit :)

Not bigoted, accurate:

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121220/DEFREG02/312200001/Boehner-Adds-8216-Plan-B-8217-by-Canceling-Sequestration-Shielding-Defense?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/20/cnn-poll-are-gop-policies-too-extreme/

Keep up the good work, John!

-David

Naaw, yer not bigoted...

Not at all.... :^/

Michale
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