Lol this is why your views are so ridiculous. Calling the statement 'a great majority of Muslims support terrorists' a 'fact' is off-the-charts bonkers.

Then your evidence? 'Experience in the field'. Lololol. Amazing. You never cease to amaze me in your ridiculousness. I'd love to hear how you met 1 billion Muslims in 'the field'. Heck you must be one of a hell of a soldier to be able to fight off 1 billion terrorists lololol. Ah Michale. You do make me laugh!

Once again, changing my words so your argument makes sense.
At no time did I make the claim that all muslims are terrorists. Matter of fact, I explicitly said the opposite.

Lol you just made the statement:

A great majority of eastern muslims support, either by commission or omission the actions and agenda of radical islamic terrorists.
- Michale, CW.com

I don't think you understand the terms 'great majority' or 'support' or even 'terrorist'. Only YOU are incapable of seeing how ridiculous a statement this is!

I'm still waiting on you to denounce Bush and Romney for apologising for America. You've been avoiding this for a dozen or so posts now (see 186, 194, 198 etc etc) and I doubt that your anti-Obama bias will ever let you concede this, so I probably won't be checking this thread again.

Carney’s comments lie outside the range of plausible spin, even by Obama administration standards, and if his bosses believe them—as we fear they do—are simply delusional. But they are not without consequence. Nor are Gates’s and Dempsey’s phone calls. They all send the message to America’s enemies that if you kill our diplomats and lay siege to the our embassies, the first move the American government will make is to denounce .??.??. Americans. Our leaders apparently believe that the way to protect Americans from extremists and terrorists abroad is to tell other Americans to shut up.

Yea, good plan... :^/

Where's the ACLU when ya need them?? Oh yea, that's right...

Up Obama's ass....

Michale.....

Let's see.. You say it's a "ridiculous statement"..

I assume that your statement is based on what you have read...

My statement is based on experience in the field...

A great majority of eastern muslims support, either by commission or omission the actions and agenda of radical islamic terrorists.

This is fact..

You disagree. Fine...

But that doesn't make it any less a fact...

What I do have problems with are people like you who want to categorise all Islams as terrorists.

Once again, changing my words so your argument makes sense.

At no time did I make the claim that all muslims are terrorists. Matter of fact, I explicitly said the opposite..

"Of course not all muslims are terrorists"
-Michale, CHRISWEIGANT.COM, Comment #219

If you have to constantly change my words to make your argument work, perhaps your argument sucks...

I'm just sayin'.. :D

Michale

Agreed.

My problem with muslims are the muslims who dance in the street and drag bodies of Americans thru the streets.. My problem are the muslims who elect a terrorist group as their representative

Agreed.

But a great majority of eastern muslims support the actions and agendas of terrorists... Some to a lesser degree, some to a greater degree

Uh nope. This is pretty ridiculous. There is definitely no room for misinterpretation here. A 'great majority'?! This is exactly what I was pointing out about your attitude to Muslims. This is a ridiculous statement.

And this frustration is compounded by people like you, who are ignorant of the threat and who try and claim that there IS no "radical" islam, that there is only islam

Nope. I believe the terrorist radical element is a small minority that's all. There is a HUGE difference between 'none', 'minority' and 'great majority' (lol). This is an absolute fact (otherwise there would be 1 billion terrorists in the world and you'd be screwed anyway!). I have issues with Islam as a religion in terms of their ideology, but I have issues with all religions ideology similarly. That doesn't give me, you or anyone else the right to call them all terrorists.

What bugs me is that the Left pretty much has my same disdain for all religions, EXCEPT islam

Nope, see above. What I do have problems with are people like you who want to categorise all Islams as terrorists. It's absolute nonsense but I know why you do it because the right-wing media encourages it.

The Left perceives (rightly or wrongly) that the Right hates islam, so naturally, the Left LOVES islam

Nope, see above. There is a different between disagreeing with a religion and it's ideology and flat out nonsense right-wing propaganda that portrays all Muslims as terrorists. THATS's why the left disagrees with the right on this.

If you have a better theory that fits the facts.....

"I'm all ears..."
-Ross Perot, 1992 Presidential Debates

:D

Michale.....

I guess we BOTH have some interpretation issues, eh??

I never said that muslims are evil by association. I said that if muslims assist in terrorism either by omission or commission then they are complicit in the terrorist act...

You are ok with Islam and Muslims? Because your posts on here do not indicate this...

I am perfectly ok with muslims... Islam?? I am "ok" with islam as much as I am "ok" with ANY religion... IE not at all...

My problem with muslims are the muslims who dance in the street and drag bodies of Americans thru the streets.. My problem are the muslims who elect a terrorist group as their representative...

Of course, not all muslims are terrorists.. But a great majority of eastern muslims support the actions and agendas of terrorists... Some to a lesser degree, some to a greater degree...

The problem that many western governments have is that they are so afraid of being accused of bigotry that they IGNORE the threat of radical islam.... What is ironic is that those same governments (yours included) have NO problem identifying and pursuing radicals in other religions...

My problem is not with islam per se.. As I said, no more than any other religion.. My problem is with radical islam. And this frustration is compounded by people like you, who are ignorant of the threat and who try and claim that there IS no "radical" islam, that there is only islam...

That's crap... There IS 'radical' islam, just as their are radical christians and radical jews and radical scientologists.. OK that last one is rather redundant.. :D

What bugs me is that the Left pretty much has my same disdain for all religions, EXCEPT islam... When I wonder WHY, the ONLY logical answer is that it is simply an extension of Right/Left battle that this country is experiences. The Left perceives (rightly or wrongly) that the Right hates islam, so naturally, the Left LOVES islam...

It's the "enemy of my enemy" mentality...

Hope that clears things up...

Michale....

Yes I clearly said they were justified. You can tell by my descriptions of them as 'moronic' 'terrorist' 'extremist' 'idiotic'. All of these are akin to justified. Nice try.

Where as when you say "If muslims turn a blind eye to terrorism, facilitate terrorist acts either by commission or omission, then they are just as responsible for the acts as the terrorists who perpetrate them" which is saying that because some Muslims commit terrorist acts, all Muslims are evil by association. Are you saying you don't believe this? You are ok with Islam and Muslims? Because your posts on here do not indicate this...

Once again, you put words in my mouth that I never said, just to justify a weak argument that will never fly...

But Lemme ask you something.

Since you obviously believe that the muslim attacks on our embassies are a justified response to the "hate speech" committed by Americans...

Do you also believe that 9/11 was justified? That, somehow, America DESERVED to be attacked???

Michale

But I know I won't be able to persuade you otherwise. I'll just add it to your ever growing list of extreme beliefs!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-press-review-on-middle-east-violence-against-us-embassies-a-855835.html

I know what I know because I have experienced it and know for a fact it's true..

That's the difference between you and I...

Michale.....

Once again, you prove that you have NO FACTS whatsoever...

1. Depends on how you define terrorism...

2. Again, NO facts to back it up save one propaganda photo.

3. Totally without merit. My reading lists include CNN, FNC, AP/Rueters Feeds, Breitbart, HuffPo, Al Jazerra, Haaretz and a host of other names you never heard of...

You see, michty, this is your problem. You have all this ideological dogma in your head and you call it "fact" SOLELY because you believe it...

Michale....

Anyway I'm still waiting on your denouncement of Bush and Romney for 'apologising for America'...

Yea... And *I* can show you a photo of a crowd that says Obama is a Muslim and was born in Kenya..

I can show you a photo of a banner that says MISSION ACCOMPLISHED..

Of course, because you have a photo, THAT makes it true, right?? :D

Michale....

Michale.....

Again: they don't. But in your right-wing media world, they would NEVER report this. Because it doesn't fit in with their 'Islam is evil' rhetoric and propaganda.

This is a photo from Libya, I would guess you won't have seen or heard anything about the anti-terrorist demonstrations held there in your right-wing media networks:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/14/article-2203026-150065E5000005DC-648_964x637.jpg

Back in the day, when the KKK was mainstream (and Democrats, I might add), then all Americans WERE to blame..

Put another way.. The people of Gaza elected Hamas to represent them.. That means ALL the people of Gaza are to blame for the actions of Hamas...

If muslims turn a blind eye to terrorism, facilitate terrorist acts either by commission or omission, then they are just as responsible for the acts as the terrorists who perpetrate them..

It's that simple...

Michale

That should read:

Do you know why the KKK is not a viable terrorist group anymore???

My bust.....

Michale.....

Do you know what the KKK is not a viable terrorist group anymore?

Uhm the proportion of KKK to Americans is probably bigger than the proportion of terrorists to Muslims.

There are around 1 billion Muslims in the world. Apparently all these people are to blame for the actions of a tiny minority. You bring up a great example, it would be like people blaming ALL Americans for the actions of the KKK. 'All Americans are evil - just look at the KKK!'

Why doesn't the muslim community in other countries do the same?

Uhm they do. You just don't hear about it because you live in right-wing media world and that doesn't fit in with their 'Islam is evil' crap.

My evidence?? Over two decades in the field

Great, your evidence that all 1 billion Muslims are evil comes from being in the field fighting against a couple of hundred evil ones! Lololol amazing!

Yea, then why don't they prove it??

If the muslim community as a WHOLE would rise up and condemn such actions and not give aid and comfort to such actions, those types of radical muslims could not exist..

Do you know what the KKK is not a viable terrorist group anymore???

Because Americans stood up and said with ONE VOICE, "we are not going to tolerate such groups and allow them to exist in the mainstream of society"..

And Viola'... The KKK all but disappeared from the American landscape...

Why doesn't the muslim community in other countries do the same??

The answer is simple. Because by and large, the vast majority of eastern muslims approve of, condone and often facilitate the actions of the radical muslims..

My evidence?? Over two decades in the field...

Regardless, that really doesn't have anything to do with the idea that we should eviscerate free speech so as to appease the uncivilized savages...

You won't find many people around here who will support doing that, even if they are loathe to make their feelings known...

Michale.....

I know you want to keep pretending that all Muslims are in the same group as there extremist maniacs that attacked the embassies, but I've got news for you: they are not.

And hate speech isn't just a Muslim thing. In fact most of the existing laws around the world were created in response to the Nazis, Anti-Semitic comments and holocaust deniers. Basically Jewish sentiment was responsible for most of these laws. There hasn't actually been a case (as far as I'm aware) where someone has been prosecuted for anti-Muslim comments. Plenty of cases for Anti-Jewish comments though...

Anyways back to the actual topic, I am interested that now Romney [188] and Bush [177] have been shown to have said exactly the same things as Obama are they going to be criticised on the right for apologising for America? Or will you acknowledge that, since they won't be criticised, this just some more rhetorical propaganda from them?

Ahhhhh NOW I get it...

So, basically, you are all about appeasement..

"We mustn't offend the islamic radicals or else they will burn and pillage and rape and destroy"

So, rather then lay the blame on the savages where it belongs, you want to curtail precious freedoms for purposes of appeasement.

Well, we handle things a bit better here in the US. Although I can't find the exact ruling, I DID read that the SCOTUS has ruled that the possible violent actions of an "angry mob" are not sufficient grounds to limit or restrict the exercise of free speech...

So, forgive me if I disagree with you, but I think that makes the US more progressive and the rest of the world backward and uncivilized, at the mercy of angry mobs...

And, I can safely say that, with one or two exceptions, everyone here would agree with me on that...

Michale....

Lol nope still not getting it. Are you capable of reading of doing any research yourself without being told what you're supposed to believe? Sorry, don't answer that!

I'll assume that you are incapable of reading the previous wiki part I quoted (or posted). I will quote it again but use bold to try and help link the parts you said above (emboldened) to the part you are not getting:

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group

You may have to google 'incite violence' or 'prejudicial action' if you don't get it. I know... the results will be Google's liberal media bias. But unfortunately I don't have time to explain the meanings of basic phrases today.

But yes I am saying that there are limitations on freedom of speech. And yes there are limitations of freedom of speech IN AMERICA too. You know what defamation is right? Hate speech is another limitation where your speech could incite violence.

Because, as near as I can tell, you seem to be saying that the US is backwater because it adheres to the (in your eyes) outmoded and quaint notion that Freedom Of Speech is very important.

By extension, you are claiming that the rest of the world is actually PROGRESSIVE because it criminalizes speech that one group or another would find offensive...

So, to sum up, you are saying that denying and criminalizing free speech solely based on offense is "progressive" and upholding freedom of speech, even if it is offensive (ESPECIALLY if it is offensive) is an out-moded, quaint and old-fashioned notion..

Does that about sum up your position???

Well, this puts many Weigantians in an uncomfortable position.. Do they stand by their principles and agree with the dreaded He Who Shall Not Be Named??? :D

Or do they say, "Screw principles, I am NEVER going to agree with HWSNBN!!!"

"Well, I guess now we'll see if the pants really fit."
-Q, STAR TREK VOYAGER, Deathwish

:D

Michale.....

You have a tendency to try and change the subject when you find yourself in an untenable and unjustifiable position..

So, let's keep on topic.. I want to hear the logic of stifling free speech and criminalizing it, just because it offends someone one...

Michale.....

Me: A one off (potentially) Al Queda terrorist attack (on the 9/11 anniversary)

ANYONE who advocates stifling free speech simply because someone is offended by it is the epitome of "hysterical"

Yes, just like those hysterical countries that stop their citizens shooting each other with guns. People should have freedom to shoot each other and incite riots!

That would be you.... :D

Michale.....

I'll say it again, since you obviously misread what I wrote...

ANYONE who advocates stifling free speech simply because someone is offended by it is the epitome of "hysterical"...

Michale......

Lolol not quite. I don't think you will ever understand the concept of hate speech. Although it doesn't surprise me since you are scared to use Google...

Besides, according to intelligence, the Libya attack and the brutal assassination of our ambassador had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Islam video

Yes perhaps one should learn not to speak before they have the data. Who on earth was responsible for doing this in the past few days?

Btw I assume that you believe Romney apologising for America (see [188]) was also a mistake and are scared of him becoming President and continuing the rein of Bush [177] and Obama in apologising for America? Or does the right-wing-nut-job rhetoric not apply to Republicans?

But I know that will never happen...

Michale.....

Yes they are.. ANYONE who advocates stifling free speech simply because someone is offended by it is the epitome of "hysterical"...

But here in the US we are more evolved than the rest of the world. We don't fear words or ideas...

At least, we didn't prior to 2008....

Michale.....

So, looks like yer wrong again....

Michale.....

Yes they are.. ANYONE who advocates stifling free speech simply because someone is offended by it is the epitome of "hysterical"...

And, I think everyone here would agree with that...

Michale....

Everyone else is crazy, only you see the light!

I think it’s dispiriting sometimes to see some of the awful things people say. And the idea of using something that some people consider sacred and then parading that out a negative way is simply inappropriate and wrong. And I wish people wouldn’t do it

Damn you for apologising for America!

And, once again, you change the meaning of what I say, just so you can attempt to prove your point..

In other words, you ignore the facts and lie...

Your problem is you are enslaved by political dogma and ideology. To you everything about the Left is true and correct and good and everything about the Right is lies, wrong and evil.. And spin, lie and equivocate so this is your reality...

You are so drunk on Obama kool-aid your entire perception is warped. As I said, I am sure it's a racial thing..

Normally, I wouldn't even bother with someone who is so Left Wing bias they haven't seen reality in decades..

But, I have to give it to you. You ARE amusing in a sick and really needs mental health treatment sort of way...

Michale.....

Lol I don't know who this guy called 'the left' is but I can assure you that the President, like ALL PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM, has condoned Anti-Semitic comments in the same way Anti-Muhammed comments are being condoned. Just that when this President does it 'ZOMG HE IS APOLOGISING AND NOT STANDING UP FOR AMERICAN VALUES'. Yet when Bush makes the exact same comments (177) the right-wing-nut-cases are nowhere to be seen...

TRANSLATION: You cannot justify the unjustifiable therefore you resort to evasion

Well since I said the statement let me give you it's true meaning: I have tried to justify hate speech to someone incapable of being justified, therefore I give up.

Explaining the concept of hate speech to someone who believes Muslims are America's enemies is not something I'm going to waste my time doing...

Yet, the MSM is replete with anti-semetic statements... Which no one from the Left ever condemns...

You prove my point for me... You only want to cry "HATE SPEECH" when it is politically prudent for you to do so...

I don't really have the energy to explain the concept of hate speech for you.

TRANSLATION: You cannot justify the unjustifiable therefore you resort to evasion..

As usual....

Michale.....

I don't know where to begin. Are you serious? Another classic to add to the Michale library of comments.

You just don't get it. The comments made recently by the Obama administration are similar to those ALL administration makes. Just that in your Obama-is-evil world they are all of a sudden crazy, over-the-top, apologising, leading from behind and other such rhetoric.

Just as they do when someone makes anti-semitic comments. That was the whole point in the statement in 177.

So, let me see if I understand you correctly.

I don't really have the energy to explain the concept of hate speech for you. Try reading the wiki I posted or yahooing (to avoid google's liberal media bias) it...

You want a law that would make it a felony to mock a religion in a video or other performance up to and including printed word...

And everyone here is OK with that???

REALLY!!????

I am simply gabberflasted that everyone here would be on board with that...

Who ARE you people and what have you done with the REAL liberals???

Michale.....

Ya'all mock and denigrate Republicans every day of the week and twice on Sunday..

The Hysterical Left in general mocks and denigrates christians, mormons and religion in general...

Why be so protective of Islam??

I'll tell ya why. Because muslims are perceived as an enemy of the United States.

And any enemy of the United States is a friend to the Hysterical Left..

Michale.....

Anyway want to answer 177?

You take a position on one issue and then, when that position becomes inconvenient, you reverse yourself and say you never stated such..

CB and I level legitimate criticism of Clinton and you fly off the handle, hysterical about Limbaugh spewed racism.. Someone from the Left makes the EXACT same criticism and you are all peaches and cream, saying that you agree with the criticism...

You obviously have some issues that you need to resolve thru professional and competent medical means..

Seek help, dood.. Yer cracking up..

Michale.....

Again, why bother? You just find a way to weasel out of it. You have no honor..

You are clearly on record as criticizing the Republican Platform for it's abortion stance after that Right Wing nut made his comment about "legitimate rape"...

But again, no sense in pointing it out.. You just deny it. Just like you did above...

Michale.....

Does 'you' refer to me or made up left-wing guy? Because I've been pretty consistent on both platforms. Again, if you can find me criticising the Republican platform I will change my political view to supporting Romney lol.

But you DO support freedom of speech for a guy who wants to denigrate Christ or whoever the mormon head honcho is

No I am for freedom of speech but against hate speech. Very simple and in line with the law in the UK and most democratic countries around the world just now, as I previously posted. You seem completely confused by this concept despite me providing a plethora of information in the wiki link.

Let me ask you here are some more comments from the administration - do you disagree with these? Are these apologising for America and leading from behind?:

We find them offensive, and we certainly understand why Muslims would find these images offensive. Anti-Muslim images are as unacceptable as anti-Semitic images as anti-Christian images, or any other religious belief.

They added We vigorously defend the right of individuals to express points of view

And when you get CAUGHT in such blatant hypocrisy, you simply make shit up to cover your ass...

As I am sure you will do with this.

Michale......

When it's the Republican Party Platform, it's all encompassing and has great meaning and it's completely and utterly indicative of the Republican Party..

When it's the Democrat Party Platform and they can't make up their minds about shit, all of the sudden, the Party Platform doesn't mean anything at all...

If we were talking about race instead of Political Partys, you would be considered a stone cold racist..

But, since we're just talking Political Partys, yer only a bigot.. :D

Michale.....

But you DO support freedom of speech for a guy who wants to denigrate Christ or whoever the mormon head honcho is...

That's what makes it hypocritical. Either your are FOR freedom of speech when it comes to ridiculing religion or you are not..

You can't pick and choose.. It's against the rules..

Well, you CAN.. But if you do, that makes you a hypocrite...

Michale

In other words, you don't deny the charge.. :D

Good.. Because you would have looked silly doing it..

Michale....

I agree with what the embassy said. I think it's fine for them to say this. What I don't think is fine is Romney criticising them for saying this, literally as they are being attacked. Yes fantastic leadership criticising Americans under attack.

Unless, of course, he was serving a LEFTIST cause..

Lolol honestly sometimes it's like you having a conversation with yourself or this guy called 'the left' that you like to invent every sentence!

Unless, of course, he was serving a LEFTIST cause..

Then he would be a brilliant hero around here... :^/

Again, don't bother denying it because we BOTH know it to be true...

Michale

It doesn't matter WHO put out the apology..

The Embassy is Obama's representative... It represents the Obama administration to the host country..

So, if the embassy says something it's the SAME thing as if the Administration is saying something..

I know for a fact that I am right.

Do you know HOW I know???

Because if we had a Republican Administration, ya'all would be saying the EXACT same thing that I am saying now.. Don't bother denying it, because we BOTH know it's true..

The only difference would be that I would be agreeing with ya'all..

Michale.....

But, as I mentioned before, it's always hilarious to see the Left take great glee in denigrating and attacking organized religions and then turn around and hysterically defend the ONE religion that says it's perfectly OK to cut off one's head if you disagree with them

Haaaaaaaahhaaa. Amazing. It's like you're having a conversation with yourself or this imaginary guy called 'the left' lololol.

I know you don't like facts, but I'll try anyway. Fact-check have a new post on the timeline for yesterday and Romney's apology claim (not the first time they've covered this): http://factcheck.org/2012/09/romney-gets-it-backward/

In particular you might want to read the section: Contrary to multiple reports from Fox News, the U.S. embassy in Cairo — not the State Department in Washington — put out the statement on Sept. 11 several hours before a mob of protesters breached the wall of the embassy, took down an American flag and replaced it with a black flag.

Fwiw this is consistent with what I've seen on all other news sites.

As an army guy I would've thought you'd absolutely detest people jumping to conclusions before knowing the intel. But when the conclusion is anti-Obama you surprisingly you don't particularly care about this...

Michale

"Pizza, Pizza..
-Little Ceasers Commercial

:D

Michale.....

The problem is your "laws" are not applicable to the US..

In Indonesia, "Hate Speech" can be defined as saying disparaging things about the Royal Family..

In other countries, THEIR laws would make many commentaries and comments here on CW.COM "hate speech"...

Basically, YOUR idea of hate speech is anything you don't like... Much like the Left's idea of "lies" is anything the Left doesn't like..

It's completely arbitrary and has really no basis in reality...

Regardless, it's all moot.. Here in the US, with few exceptions, Free Speech is paramount..

But, as I mentioned before, it's always hilarious to see the Left take great glee in denigrating and attacking organized religions and then turn around and hysterically defend the ONE religion that says it's perfectly OK to cut off one's head if you disagree with them...

Michale....

Michale

Lolol what? How on earth do you come to that conclusion after I post a wiki article on Hate Speech LAWS around the world? Lol. Your logic is just unreal.

But like I said, this is way down the line for you and your country. You only just got healthcare for your citizens and are fighting to keep it. One step at a time before we get to complex freedom of speech grey areas!

No, I am familar just fine..

Your argument is specious and completely unsupportable...

You want to limit speech based on YOUR criteria only..

That's not how we do things in America...

It will never happen...

Michale....

That fits your description of Hate Speech perfectly

Lololol! Very good.

I think you need to read more about hate speech. Obviously you are not familiar with the laws since they are not applicable in your country, that's fine. But no, a political party is never recognised as a 'protected group'. Here is an example for you: Jews are a 'protected group' in a lot of countries on the basis that Anti-Semitic comments/actions against them are not allowed (in Germany, for example - possibly the UK and Canada too).

No again you take facts and completely misinterpret them. It's the same as the weather thing over again.

I am saying the evidence presented is not clear enough to indicate either way - better or worse.

A one off (potentially) Al Queda terrorist attack (on the 9/11 anniversary) based on some moronic comments, un-supported and castigated by the Libyan and Egyptian Governments is hardly indicative of what will happen in the region's attitudes towards America in the long-term...

You mean, like the Dem ad that had a Paul Ryan look-alike pushing an old lady off a cliff???

That fits your description of Hate Speech perfectly...

You want to be VERY careful what you wish for...

Michale...

Then that argument would apply to practically every video ad that Team Obama has released...

Are you SURE you want to make that argument??

Really REALLY sure????

Michale...

But, why stop there

Nope. You should read more about hate speech. Here is the definition:
In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

I am sure that you honestly believe that. But the facts (ya know, those pesky things you ignore when you don't like them) seem to prove you wrong..

it will remain to be seen what happens with Egypt and Libya...

Do you HONESTLY think things are going to get BETTER for the US!!???

If so, it seems you are doubling down on stupidity.. :^/

Lemme know how that works out for ya...

Michale.....

I don't support it. I support freedom of speech for sure. But I don't support hate crimes and hate speech. There is definitely an argument that this moronic video was a hate crime and certainly hate speech.

America is only one of the few places left in the world where hate speech is tolerated (and in fact protected). In fact many hate groups around the world base themselves and their websites in the US to get first amendment protections. Like any other moronic scum-bags trying to incite hatred and rioting, he would've been taken to court in the UK, for example.

But heh, you only just got universal healthcare this year. One step at a time... ;)

But, why stop there???

Why not criminalize speech that is offensive to mormons?? Let's criminalize speech that is offensive to scientologists?? Wiccans...

But, since we're criminalizing speech, let's criminalize speech that is offensive to Democrats.. And since we criminalize THAT speech, we (naturally) must criminalize speech that is offensive to Republicans...

Do you HONESTLY want to go down that road????

Michale.....

Fwiw I don't think events have proved you right or wrong, it will remain to be seen what happens with Egypt and Libya... This was a specific attack which may have been planned by Al Queda (9/11) or a reaction to a moronic video (or, it seems now, both). Neither was it supported by the Egyptian or Libyan Governments which would be a totally different matter...

"There you go again...."
-Ronald Reagan

I never claimed to support the scumbag loser..

I merely support his RIGHT to video-toralize his view of Islam...

I would think that EVERYONE here would support that right??

If ya'all don't.....?????

Then what kind of liberals are ya'all???

Michale.....

Agreed...

Are you saying America should've supported the dictators in Libya and Egypt? Is this your argument?

No. My argument at the time was that it was stupid, from a Command & Control point of view, to get involved in the conflicts in a strictly support role.. IE "Leading From Behind"...

When you give up Command & Control, you give up ALL ability to steer things in the aftermath, once the war is won..

The prevailing opinion around here at the time was that, even though the US lead from behind, they STILL had a seat at the table.

I argued that it was foolhardy to believe this, as we had absolutely NO leverage that would GIVE us a seat at the table..

That argument has been proven dead on ballz accurate by recent events..

Everyone here was wrong.. I was right..

Of course, no one will admit this, but dems ARE da facts...

I also argued at the time that, since we had absolutely NO leverage to steer the forming governments and said countries are within Iran's sphere of influence, that it was very likely that Libya and Egypt would go the way of Iran..

Once again, the events of the day has proven me dead on ballz right...

Basically, Obama followed Carter's Iran Playbook in Egypt and Libya...

And lo and behold, the EXACT same results happened...

Who woulda thinked it????

Well, besides me....

Michale......

As humble as I am about things like this (:D) I have to re-iterate that this action WAS foreseen by yours truly...

When you give up command of an operation, you lose all control of it's aftermath...

Any first year rotsee jeep can tell you that....

Michale.....

If you consider expressing the rights we Americans have as "going lower" than you have more problems than I realized... :D

You do know this statement was released BEFORE the attacks right? It's pretty hard to support an attack that hasn't happened. You are so lost in all this. You're as desperate as Mitt.

No.. The statement was released AFTER the Egyptian Embassy attack, but before the Libya attack......

If the Embassy release was so proper and appropriate, why did the White House disavow it??

Around the same time, the White House disavowed the embassy's prior statement and later released one of its own, when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemned the assault "in the strongest" terms.

You can't have it both ways, michty... Although it appears you like to tie yourself in knots, trying...

Michale.....

Just when I think you've sunk to a new low in this thread, you go lower.

And yet, we have the official missive from Obama's OFFICIAL representative in Egypt...

Yea.. NO support for the attackers..

You do know this statement was released BEFORE the attacks right? It's pretty hard to support an attack that hasn't happened. You are so lost in all this. You're as desperate as Mitt.

The United States government apologized to the attackers of the US Embassy in Egypt.
No amount of spin will change that one simple FACT

Lolololol. So you don't know the meaning of 'apology', or the meaning of 'fact'. Just complete and utter desperation by you in your bigoted anti-Obama world. I had no idea you could get this maniacal.

No amount of spin will change that one simple FACT..

But, as ya'all have proven time and time again, you don't CARE about any facts that put Obama and the Democrats in a bad light...

Michale....

And yet, we have the official missive from Obama's OFFICIAL representative in Egypt...

I'll post it again, just in case you missed it..

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others

Yea.. NO support for the attackers..

Right.... And monkeys fly outta my butt, too....

Michale...

Do you know what FON exercises are??

Of course, you never served.. You wouldn't know..

FON exercises were very popular in the southern Mediterranean (Gulf Of Sidra) in the late 80s, but were also used by Clinton in Bosnia in the 90s..

Basically they were FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION exercises whereas the US Military (predominantly the USAF aaaahhhooorrraaaa) would traverse allegedly forbidden corridors in a provocative manner..

We would so so, BECAUSE WE HAD THE RIGHT TO...

And we weren't going to let some pissant group of savages tell us we couldn't...

I view the Koran Burners and Donkey Frakin' Prophet videos in the same vein..

We're Americans. If we want to be vulgar, we damn well have the RIGHT to be...

You speak of respect for other cultures..

Respect begets respect. Where is the respect for OUR culture?? Our rights?? Hmmmmmmmm???

Using YOUR reasoning, Republicans should start lopping the heads off of Democrats so as to prevent Democrats from making videos that ridicule and castigate Republicans...

Is THAT the kind of world you are wanting???

Again, I find it hilarious that Democrats would ridicule every American religion under the sun with glee and abandon, but yet would side with fanatics who would take great joy in lopping of their heads..

Can YOU explain that logic to me??

Michale.....

Had to post this when I read the line "No one except for confirmed Obama haters will buy the notion that the Obama administration sympathized with the attacks." and thought of you Michale.

OK, then you need to catch up on things...

I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person...

Michale....

How attacks by extremist idiotic moronic terrorists on an American embassy, over another stupid idiot's clueless moronic video, have anything to do with Obama you've got me. Were the attacks on the Danish embassies, when someone last insulted Muhammed, his fault too? You are completely and utterly gone in your Obama bigotry. You are lost in your view of the world - as if these idiots actions represents Libya or Egypt. You are lost to reality.

And yes Romney is a fucking idiot. 2 US embassies are attacked on US soil around 9/11 and he decides this is a great time to make a political point. Conservatives and people on his side are quite rightly telling him how stupid he was. It is a moronic idea to choose this point to try and push some 'Obama apologises for us' propaganda.

You might have some criticisms of Obama on foreign policy. Sure. Bring these up when the dust has settled, not on the day a high profile American ambassador is killed in an attack of a US embassy. It is completely utterly moronic and clueless - and downright disrespectful.

Excuse my language but I just lost a friend recently and I can't imagine how I'd feel if I'm the family of this US ambassador and I saw Romney turn this into a cheap political attack. I'd want to punch his fucking lights out.

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others
-http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html

Yea!!! Screw free speech!!!

Appease the uncivilized savages!

What could possibly go wrong with that plan!!!

{/sarcasm}

I can forgive you for your ignorance because you never served in the military...

Obama is Commander In Chief..

He was CnC when he commanded the Libya operation. I am on record as stating that "Leading From Behind" is the most moronic thing a commander can do.. If he let's others lead then HE (and by extension, America) is at a disadvantage when the war is won, as circumstances will likely develop along lines that are contrary to our interests..

I was resoundingly ridiculed for this prophecy...

A prophecy which turned out to be dead on ballz accurate.. I stated that Libya and Egypt are likely to go the way of Iran and lo and behold, lookie here...

Our embassies are attacked and our ambassador and embassy personnel are brutally murdered...

The mess that is Libya and Egypt is a DIRECT RESULT of Obama's incompetence in commanding a military operation...

So, yea... It's Obama's fault...

But, could you do me a favor..

Could you attack Romney again for his Blame-The-Other-Guy strategy???

I am having a really bad LapTop day and I could use another good laugh... :D

Michale.....

Well at least this part of your lunatic rants is correct. Unfortunately you are incapable of following your own logic and 'uncivilised muslims in Africa did it = Obama's fault' in your world.

But wait, I've had an epiphany!

Actually, you're wrong - it's nothing to do with uncivilised muslims in Africa - it's Obama's fault! It all makes so much sense now. Obama and the terrorist muslims together attacking America. All part of the great Obama muslim conspiracy. I wouldn't be surprised now to find out that Obama was behind 911. Or that Bin Laden is actually still alive and is living in Obamas basement. He is a master at covering things up. Rush Limbaugh was right. You were right. I have been a fool because I've been drinking Obama-kool aid (even though he is not my President, I don't live in his country and I don't like his policies). How could I have been so blind - it was right in front of my eyes. You and your muslim friends will pay for the deaths you caused today Barack!

(FYI there might be a hint of sarcasm in this post)

I know you are not familiar with America, but let me lay it out for you..

We have this really kewl thing here in America called... "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

It's really kewl.. We can say what we think and how we feel, EVEN if it pisses people off..

It's what allows me to say that I think you are a drunk Obamabot who has his head so far up Obama's ass, it's impossible to tell where you end and he begins..

It ALSO means that we can ridicule a religion that teaches it's perfectly OK to cut someone's head off if they disagree with you...

It's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH and, as long as you obey some reasonable restrictions (of which, 'it might piss someone off' is NOT one of them), then you can pretty much say what you want...

Blaming FREEDOM OF SPEECH for what occurred in Libya and Egypt is akin to blaming an American for breathing....

It's not OUR fault that the Muslims in Africa are uncivilized savages who think they have the right to commit brutal murder simply because someone insults them..

Maybe they should join the 21st century... If they choose not to, then it's surely going to be a case of living by the sword and dying by the sword...

In this case, the "sword" will be a shitload of cruise missiles turning their country into a parking lot..

"NUKE AND PAVE" is what we used to call it... :D

Michale....

That's our President..

Our Ambassador and embassy personnel are brutally butchered by religious fanatics...

And he is off to Las Vegas for some more campaigning...

Jesus H Christ, this guy is a LUZER with a capital 'L'.....

Michale.....

Not really. If Obama had actually had a REAL presence in Libya and Egypt, the brutal murder of our Ambassador and embassy personnel likely wouldn't have occurred..

But the video IS relevant insofar as it shows what complete and utter uncivilized savages these African Muslims are...

It's funny to see the Left fall all over themselves to protect the religious freedoms of a religion that would just as soon cut their heads off...

It's hilarious! :D

You. Are. A. Maniac.

I am not the one who ignores ALL facts so as to have one's nose buried in Obama's ass...

I understand that it is a racial thing with you. But you SERIOUSLY need to step back and look at the reality of things, rather than your fantasy that Obama can do no wrong..

Michale.....

Lolololol of course. Nothing to do with the video of Muhammed. All Obama's fault. DAMN YOU OBAMA!

You. Are. A. Maniac.

It was Obama's cowardly "Lead From Behind" strategy that resulted in the attacks on our Embassy..

So, yea. Obama is responsible..

Of course, you can't SEE that. What with your head being so far up Obama's ass, he has to open his mouth so you can breathe....

And to think I actually THOUGHT that you were rational and could accept logic and rational discourse..

But you are so far drunk on the Obama kool-aid that you simply are too far gone to reach...

Or Bush responsible for it?

I just KNEW you were going to drag Bush into it.. :D

Once again, I am proved dead on balls right...

THREE times in less than 8 hours.

HAS to be a new record...

Michale.....

Just for the record, Romney is blaming the guy in charge..
Ya know.. The guy who IS responsible!?

Well now it's official, your Obama bigotry levels have gone to the moon. You've completely lost your mind. Now apparently Obama is responsible for attacks on America. All of them, regardless of where they are. Was Obama responsible for 9/11 in your world too? Or Bush responsible for it?

You are a maniac.

Ya know.. The guy who IS responsible!???

How long til Democrats start blaming Bush for it??

Michale.....

OH MY GODS!

Did you REALLY just say that!!???

Did you REALLY condemn **ROMNEY** for the "blame the other guy" strategy!!???

Well, this proves it..

You have your head so far up Obama's ass that you haven't seen the light of day for 4 years!!!

Lol yes this attack was Obama's fault. Damn you Obama and your attacks on America!