There was NOTHING about racism in Obama's words..

BUT....

But isn't it annoying when someone will scream RACISM!!! at the drop of a dime?? Hmmmmmmmm???

A lesson you and the rest of the Hysterical Left would do well to keep in mind the next time ya'all wanna cry wolf....

Michale.....

Come'on Michty.... I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night...

If a GOP'er had made that "black and white" comment, the Hysterical Left would have been screaming "RACIST BASTARDS!!!!" to the high heavens.

Don't bother denying it because we BOTH know it's true...

Your bias is showing again....

Michale.....

Chris "The Left does this to themselves time and time again. They hear what they want to hear, and then they scream "LIAR!" based on something that was never even said in the first place."

Then Michale, commenting on a statement by Obama that has nothing to do with race "Never met a man who so much likes to play the race card.... {{{{ssssiiiiiigggghhhhhh}}}}"

Brilliant. Well played guys. I love it when you both come together chiming in with your nonsense. You do a better job of disproving your points and rhetoric together than I could ever do.

Never met a man who so much likes to play the race card.... {{{{ssssiiiiiigggghhhhhh}}}}

I saids it befores and I'll says it again...

Obama's Presidency has set race relations back 60 years....

Michale.....

Because the White House (headed by Anita Dunn) told them to be, and the Left obeyed, stunningly enough. I remember a time in this country when another president told the masses not to pay any attention to the evil Washington Post, only folks couldn't run fast enough to read all about Watergate. Now they're obeying the White House and helping to carry out its smear campaign, like good little trained circus pups. Oh, how times have changed.

They have more LEFT pundits on their one station than the entire Leftist MSM has Right pundits COMBINED....

I think the problem is quite basic. Envy...

FoxNews is everything that the Left would love to have.. And they can't understand why average Americans don't like having elitists berate them on how bad Americans are....

Michale.....

Sally Kohn is one of fair-and-balanced Fox's hard-core LEFTIE columnists, who's regurgitating the Leftie battle cry.

Exactly...

It's policy based evidence making..

They have a set "policy" (in this case, all Republicans are liars) and then the create the evidence to justify the "policy"...

This one aspect seems to color EVERYTHING that Democrats are about..

Michale...

The Left does this to themselves time and time again. They hear what they want to hear, and then they scream "LIAR!" based on something that was never even said in the first place. And then they wonder why their "messaging" isn't resonating.

BLOW OUT: THANKS FOR MAKING AUGUST '12 THE SINGLE BIGGEST MONTH IN DRUDGEREPORT'S 17 YEAR HISTORY! PAGE WAS VIEWED 943,281,513 TIMES FROM MORE THAN 100 COUNTRIES. WAS THAT YOU FROM VANUATU?...

Knock Drudge all you want....

But it's reach is undeniable....

Michale.....

It's a moot point. Ryan never said that Obama closed the plant. Ryan simply said that Obama gave the workers hope that their plant would be there for the "next 100 years" which turned out to be a FALSE hope.

You see the pattern??

Obama promised peace on earth, good will towards men....

You say my hate for Obama is personal?? Damn skippy it is...

"I even ate fudge! Yuk!!!"
-Adie McDowell, GROUNDHOG DAY

Obama made me believe that a politician could actually care for his country more than for himself..

What a rube I was....

Michale.....

Haha must be a weird day. Don't worry, I'm not scared to call bias when I see it.

Why on earth would we talk about Obama lies when analysing the GOP convention speakers?
Because *I* was talking about overall lies... Which I am sure you knew.. :D

I'm sure Obama has lied or pushed the truth and his campaign does too. I read fact-check and politifact daily (I have them RSS'd) and there are Democratic political ads on both rated false or mostly false. However, there are a few things worth noting that I've mentioned to you before:
1. Ad's which state 'I'm Mitt Romney/Barack Obama and I endorse this message' are official candidate ads and should be held to a higher standard. Read through fact-check and you'll see Romney has consistently lied in these; Democrat lies tend to come from other sources.
2. Convention speeches and candidate speeches should be held to a higher standard too.
3. There is a huge difference between lying and pushing the truth/skewing what someone said. With the recent welfare and robbing/cutting Medicare lies - which are official campaign adverts and were repeated by both candidates in their speeches - Romney and Ryan aren't 'pushing the truth' or scewing an issue like they did with 'you didn't build that' (which is an acceptable political norm). They are telling 100%, no exceptions, no interpretations, no skewing, bald-face lies. The kind that politifact (which is the fact-checker that tends to try and have equal coverage of both sides and doesn't often make decisive yes or no statements) calls 'PANTS ON FIRE'.

Yet the fact checkers that check the fact checkers said that their fact check was utter bullshit...

Nope, right-wing media sites presented rhetoric that YOU bought without thinking about it because you hate Obama so much. Again: http://media.gazettextra.com/img/photos/2008/12/24/LastGMBannerPose_t715.jpg?529764a1de2bdd0f74a9fb4f856b01a9d617b3e9 do you believe this is photo-shopped or made up?

Or to quote fact-check "Update, Aug. 30: A Ryan spokesman argues that the GM plant technically remained on “standby” status, meaning it was possible that the company might resume production there. But as a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel story noted nearly a year ago, “no one seems to be counting on that.”"

I have tried to point this out to you from the point of view of someone in finance, the process of keeping the plant on 'standby' is called mothballing. A mothballed factory is a closed factory which might be re-opened at a future point. This is exactly what happened after the factory closed in December 2008. But you ignored all my posts because you WANT the fact-checkers to be wrong, when in fact you and the right-wing media are totally wrong.

STAR TREK, The Old Series
There were 6 fatalities of Command (Gold) personnel
5 Science (Blue) personnel fatalities.
Engineering Department (Red) suffered 4 fatalities.
Security Personnel (Red): FORTY THREE!!!

Bad time to be a security grunt..

"I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six." I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is."
-Guy, GALAXY QUEST

"Captain, it may have been unwise to admit to Nomad that you are a biological unit. In Nomad's eyes, you must now undoubtedly appear imperfect."
-Spock, STAR TREK, The Changeling

:D

Michale.....

Holy shit, Michty!!

You said something that I am completely, unequivocally and 1000% in agreement with!!!!

Aww right, who are you and what have you done with Michty!!!!!

Why on earth would we talk about Obama lies when analysing the GOP convention speakers?

Because *I* was talking about overall lies... Which I am sure you knew.. :D

You can try and change the topic all you like, the fact remains that Ryan lied his face off during his speech and the media (including Fox reporters) and fact-checkers called him out on it big time - as they should.

Yet the fact checkers that check the fact checkers said that their fact check was utter bullshit...

And THEY have the documentation to prove it.. Unlike the FIRST fact checkers who just check their "facts" with other LEFTIST "fact" checkers...

Basically, the fact checkers of the first group say, "Daily Kos, HuffPO and MSNBC all say it's a lie.. There! We have checked the facts..."

Michale....

I would be more inclined to actually LISTEN if the Left would mention some of the Lies by Obama.

Why on earth would we talk about Obama lies when analysing the GOP convention speakers? You can try and change the topic all you like, the fact remains that Ryan lied his face off during his speech and the media (including Fox reporters) and fact-checkers called him out on it big time - as they should.

I don't really watch MSM reporting or read their site so I've no idea if they're biased or not. But from what I've heard, MSM is biased to the left and Fox biased to the right.

So do you think fact-check, politi-fact, Washington post fact-check are all left biased? Are they all party of a liberal media conspiracy?

Now, the Left wants to pick up again... I would be more inclined to actually LISTEN if the Left would mention some of the Lies by Obama..

Yea and I'll be waiting for the sun to rise in the West and set in the East while I am at it...

Michale.....

Please explain the differences in reporting between the Abu Ghraib (which was nothing harsher than college hazing) under Bush and the Afghanistan Kill Teams (name says it all) under Obama...

If you can come up with a logical reason why the reporting under Bush was a feeding frenzy and the reporting under Obama was "Hoo hum, nothing to see here" then I will consider your position that there is no Left Wing bias by the MSM...

If you can't, then you concede the point. Yea.. Like THAT will ever happen... :^/

Michale.....

http://www.drsforamerica.org/blog/attacks-on-aca-pits-medicare-vs-medicaid-seniors-against-the-poor?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+drsforamerica%2FnMEt+%28Progress+Notes%29#.UEEZ6cFbdFs

It's so dead on ballz accurate, it's scary... :D

Totally agree. I got as far as 'I also mean the mainstream media'

Just another example of the usual Republican nonsense about 'liberal bias' in the media whenever they are called out for their nonsense. Funny that they will quote fact-check and politi-fact when it suits them (I remember you and Chris dong exactly this on this site many times), but if they are called out for lying these organisations all of a sudden become 'liberal media bias' or 'mainstream media bias' - yawn. Even when Fox News reporters talk about Ryan's deception and lies (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz250T9pDzq)you just conveniently ignore this - just like you conveniently ignore the truth.

Anyway rather than argue a moot point that clearly you have now decided which side you fall, how about the other many Ryan lies? Or the fact he needed to lie so much when Obama has 'so many' failed policies? (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/beyond-factual-dishonesty/)

I thought specifically of you when I read this....

A ‘lie’: A truth that Democrats don’t like
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/30/lie-truths-that-democrats-dont-like/

It's so dead on ballz accurate, it's scary... :D

Michale.....

No, the funny thing is you were wrong..

Even CNN backpedaled on it's Ryan Lied position.

If CNN is going to back pedal, you KNOW it was a blatant misrepresentation...

Michale.....

Romney hits hurricane stricken area this morning.

Obama announces he'll be going to Louisiana too..

Once again, Obama shows his "leadership" style. Leading From Behind...

Hope Obama likes the view of Romney's ass.. Because that is all Obama is likely to see from now on... :D

Michale.....

You really have gone 'round the bend. According to your rant [#4], you are even calling CW a partisan idealogue. SMH

Ninjaf!! Didna see ya sneak a post in there.. Couldn't be rude and ignore it.. :D

Actually, in #4, I "accused" CW of inventing the term "moose poop".. Which he did..

Besides, it's not the first time CW's been accused around here. One of ya'all accused CW of racism a while back... I'm just sayin'....

But, considering how nonchalantly the term "racist" is thrown around by the Left these days, it's no wonder, eh??

OK.. NOW I really gots to work... :D

Michale.....

I bet they would like to hear MORE about how Obama said the plant would be open "for another hundred years" and then it closed???

Hmmmm??

I would love to go round and round with you (AGAIN) on this, but it's clear that logical rational discourse on FACTS has no place in your kool-aid addled Obama-Love Stupor...

Yea, I know, I know.. You "criticize" Obama..

Funny thing is, your Obama "criticism" consists of a Noun, a Verb and "It's all the Republicans fault"...

And what's REALLY funny is that your PRO-Obama posts consists of a Noun, a Verb and "It's all the Republicans fault"

So, I would say you got yer arguments down pat there, son.. :D

But, I have to work. Ya know, the business that *I* built without any help from your lord and master, The Exalted One, Barack The First...

I'll get with ya on the flip side.. :D

Toodles....

Michale

Damn those sneaky liberal fact-checkers! This is the biggest forgery since the birth certificate!

FACT: The plant that "closed" in Dec 2008 was STILL producing cars in Apr of 2009...

Sigh. I don't even know how to start to explain the processes of mothballing and shutting down a factory since (like my last comment) you won't even listen and just ignore it. I give up. Maybe you should tell the 2000+ workers of this plant that lost their jobs in 2008 that Ryan told the truth and it was still 'open'? I'm sure they'd love to hear that a mothballed factory is still considered open in Republican world...

To claim that Republicans do it and Democrats don't is just one more indication of how you are blinded by hysterical partisan ideology

I'd love to hear where I said this. Because I distinctly remember stating that the fact checkers would be there at the DNC, just not as busy (implying there will be lies there too, just not as many). Of course this (and my other comments) just go over your head as you go berserk in a show of irrational hatred towards Obama as usual...

No, you just THINK you do. And your thought process is clouded by too much Obama kool-aid..

FACT: The plant that "closed" in Dec 2008 was STILL producing cars in Apr of 2009...

FACT: Ryan never claimed that Obama closed the plant..

My own state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it.
Especially in Janesville where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that G.M. plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, ``I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.''
That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.

NOTHING about Obama closing the plant..

It's all about Obama saying (promising??) that the plant will remain open and then not seeing it thru..

So, sorry.. No lies there..

It's typical of the Left.. Screaming "LIE LIE LIE" without ANY cognizance of the facts... Ya think they would have gotten over that with Bush...

But, as I said.. It doesn't matter.. ALL politicians lie..

To claim that Republicans do it and Democrats don't is just one more indication of how you are blinded by hysterical partisan ideology....

It's OK.. It's nothing to be ashamed of.. MUCH.. You are in good company... :D

Michale.....

I know more about this than you do. And no, according to your (and right-wing media) interpretation (which I'd suggest is heavily biased) he didn't lie.

The factory was, to use a business term, 'mothballed' in December 2008. Find anyone in business who knows what mothballing is, and ask them if this is akin to closing then you'll have your answer.

If you don't know what mothballing is, why it is used in business, why being mothballed is the same as being 'closed' or have any understandings of the business steps taken to close a factory then yes you too would make the assumption that your right-wing media nonsense is correct. Here is a hint: a factory that is mothballed may produce more products in the future. This is the whole point in mothballing it instead of selling it (and all the facilities within it).

Once again, you ASSUME facts that are not in evidence..

Michale.....

Yet, according to the FACTS (the REAL facts, not the Left Wing "facts") Ryan DIDN'T lie...

That's what comes from using prepared "checks" instead of ACTUALLY checking the facts..

But I understand you wouldn't have any knowledge of the ACTUAL facts. Because you don't care what the facts are.. You simply spout the Left Wing dribble and assume it is true...

You know what happens when you make a assumption, right?? You make an ASS out of U and umption....

Michale.....

What on earth are you talking about? You know fact-checkers check both sides of the aisle and are proud of this? This is just the usual 'liberal media bias' crap when your candidate lies his face off about several very serious accusations.

And watch the DNC and they will be there too. Just less busy...

Well, now we know why the so-called "Fact Checkers" had their "fact" checks up so fast...

They were canned pre-prepared responses.. Just had to fill in a few details to make them look like actual responses and then they were posted...

I bet the hysterical Lefties that posted these NON-facts checks feel like complete morons...

As well they should....

Michale.....

I heard the Obama impersonator thing PC (lol). First I heard that Trump was due to appear and tell an Obama impersonator 'you're fired'. They then canned that idea after losing a day of the convention.

Next I heard Clint was going to speak to one. So perhaps he wrote the whole speech with that in mind then last minute they got rid of the impersonator...

I too am a huge Clint fan and was surprised Clint was appearing. His half-time super-bowl commercial was practically an Obama endorsement ('halftime for America', successful auto bailout and what-not - video if you haven't seen it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFAiqxm1FDA). So that lends something towards your argument/view but I tend to go for the simple (non-conspiracy) views in most of these things and he probably just wanted to do some sort of monologue-dialogue piece... Like I said I actually thought he was pretty good, some good lines that the convention loved...

For the record, I wasn't picking on YOU specifically..

The Left (and the Right) is replete with examples of people respecting and admiring someone until that said someone says or does something they disagree with and all of the sudden the tune changes...

So, please don't feel I am singling you out.. I am sure you have LOTS of company from both sides of the political spectrum...

Michale.....

This is what I have always thought was so funny about ideologues...

The heap mounds and mounds of praise on people they like. Their "heroes"...

But when the hero says something that goes against the beliefs of the ideologue, all of the sudden he's an "extremist" and a "fool"...

The ideologue NEVER stops to consider that their hero is right and it's THEY who are frak'ed up...

Call me silly, but if someone I admired and respected took a position that I didn't agree with, the first thing, the VERY first thing I would do before ANYTHING else, is I would examine *MY* position and see if it has any flaws, if maybe my "hero" is right....

It's just funny to hear Left Wing (and Right Wing) fanatics go on and on about someone as if they are the greatest thing since frozen pizza..

Then it's like, "He said what!!! What a coward, what a fool, what an extremist!!!!" etc etc ad nasuem...

Judge Harry Stone: "There is no place in decent society for book-burning fanatics like you!! I feel it's my responsibility to set an example by fining radical extremists like you with every ounce of power that this state has seen fit to grant me!!!"
Court Clerk Mac Robinson: "The Genius of Barry Manilow."
Judge Harry Stone: "One dollar!!!"
-Night Court

Ya gotta know the show to understand the context. But trust me.. It's funny! :D

Michale.....

I'm gonna jump right to Clint Eastwood, because it's such a WTFH? moment that everything that went down in The Venue before it tended to pale a bit. Maybe that was the objective, but I'll get back to that.

I'm basically a fan of Eastwood, I like most of his films, and most of those I don't really like I can tolerate as amusing fluff. He's no fool and no extremest, or at least he wasn't prior to last night.

Normally, you don't put a geek on stage right before say, Mel Torme. That's basically what Team Romney did. Why would you do such a thing? I had not heard the Obama Impersonator explanation before, it might be true if it circulated PC (prior to Clint, all future political years may be referenced PC or AC) but if you heard it AC, I think it's probably damage control.

I considered the two A's, Alcohol & Alzheimer's. Clint seems to have no history of alcoholism, but maybe he took a snort in the limo. He did seem a bit "late Reagany" last night, but I saw no signs of an Excelon patch. Can't rule either factor out.

Maybe the schtick went exactly as planned. The idea was to reset the bar, as low as possible, for the upcoming Romney address. So Mitt could just skip over and look like he'd cleared 4 feet, which by Mitt Meh standards would be Gold, or at least Silver. If so, mission accomplished. Speech reviews were pretty good, i.e. Mediocre. Mitt gets social promotion.

What I'd like to think, what I must think, is that this was genius performance art, satire in it's highest form. Eastwood doesn't like Romney, and he doesn't like the direction the NeoGOP is taking. Here's what Clint did last night:

1: He made up an imaginary dialog for Obama, that was none to flattering and only loosely based on real events. Complete with swears!

2: He then proceeded to demonize Obama using the made up dialog.

Now, this is exactly what the Republicans have been doing to Obama for the last 4 years. It's the strategy that was plotted by "Mush Mouth McConnel" the day after the inauguration. Clint held the mirror right up to the entire audience. Or if want the requisite sports analogy, he published the playbook!

The suites and gowns in the seats, and the operatives in the wings got the "joke" and they were horrified! You could see it in the closeups.

The humorless foot soldiers on the convention floor didn't get the parody, and gobbled up the rancid meat! I'm sure it's already gone viral on the web, and cannot be suppressed. Up yours Mitt, take that Tea Party Yahoos.

Like I say, I've gotta believe that.

Romney, campaigning in Louisiana, acting like a Commander In Chief...

Obama, campaigning in Texas, acting like a Campaigner In Chief....

Leaders run TOWARDS the problems...

Failed leaders run AWAY from problems....

On another note...

wnd.com/2012/08/michael-moore-get-used-to-saying-president-romney/

Who woulda thunked that Michael Moore and I would EVER agree on anything.. :D

Michale.....

- I don't know why Clint is getting so much abuse, I thought his was the best speech of the night! The chair thing was funny! I think there was maybe meant to be an Obama impersonator there? But he seemed unscripted and spoke from the heart without going extreme, over-the-top crazy.

- Rubio was really disappointing, I expected big things from him. Difficult spot though. At least he stuck to the team script and didn't make a 2016 plea.

- Romney was Romney. Usual old wooden speech he has done hundreds of times before. Surprised he mentioned religion and Mormonism so much. The one comment that stood out was that apparently he still thinks the Cold War is going on and Russia/Putin is a major enemy...

Now THAT's what I am talking about!!! :D

Michale.....

lib·er·al? ?[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression:

Now, who amongst the denizens of Wegantia most epitomizes the definition of 'liberal'??

Why, I do believe it's me!!!

Michale.....

But the transcript was dead on ballz accurate.

"Brought a tear to me eye"
-Scotty, STAR TREK VII, Generations

Michale.....

This, coming from the guy who invented "Moose Poop"?? :D

I can't imagine listening to that verbal toxin for even a minute.

Yea, gods forbid you should actually EXPOSE yourself to a different viewpoint..

GODS, we can't have THAT happening, can we!!??

Think of the absolute HORROR if people actually started LISTENING to other people's ideas instead of condemning them..

"Oh my god, what a fucking nightmare!!!"
-Marisa Tomeii, MY COUSIN VINNY

Liberal, my left ass cheek...

Michale....

I have to admit, my heart's going to be in next week's coverage a lot more.

nypoet22 -

I don't know, I was so stunned at Clint's thing I was distracted through about half of Rubio's speech. I stand by my "cringe-worthy" comment.

-CW

"you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky?"