Sums up my views perfectly, by analysing Why was it necessary to lie in the first place?

You should try to pay a little more attention to words, michty. From the same article: "Take the GM plant in his hometown of Janesville, which he suggested closed because of President Obama..." "Suggesting" something and "lying" about something are not the same thing, despite the Left's apparent inability to discern between the two. This op-ed writers SUMMARY about Ryan is nothing more than opinion.

That WOULD be a kewl contest, wouldn't it!! :D

Michale.....

Yeah, I have to admit, you were right.

"I'm sorry, could you speak into my GOOD ear. I coulda swore you just called me 'Ace'.."
-Ace Ventura, PET DETECTIVE

:D

Had you heard Condi speak recently when you pushed for her for veep? She's really gotten a lot better at it.

On and off. I have some back channel knowledge that indicated to me she was a lot more than ANYONE (Left OR Right) gave her credit for...

Michale.....

Yeah, I have to admit, you were right. Had you heard Condi speak recently when you pushed for her for veep? She's really gotten a lot better at it.

michty6 [7] -

I was flipping channels while Martinez was talking, and took a break. My notes weren't that extensive, and I thought the article was running long. Her 357 comment went over big with the crowd, and I did like her "Damn, we're Republicans!" line, which was very nicely delivered. But I didn't see her whole speech, I must admit.

LizM [10] -

As I said, my brain was a little numb from GOP spin by the time Ryan got to the stage, so that's my explanation. I was outraged at his putting Bowles/Simpson on a pedistal, when HE VOTED AGAINST IT, personally, but I think I was screaming at the TV and forgot to put it in my notes or something.

Anyway, yes, "flinging red meat" (I especially liked my Atkins Diet joke) is indeed code for "using the normal dishonest Republican talking points."

michty6 [11] -

Good point about 2016. Condi's got the chance, if she talks herself into running.

TheStig [12] -

I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets nauseated by their cloud backdrop. I thought it was just me.

Condi, I think (see michty6 [11]) is positioning herself for 2016. By that measure, it was an excellent speech, I thought.

As for Ryan outshining Romney, pay attention to the relative crowd size both men draw in the upcoming weeks. If Ryan (like Palin) begins drawing huge crowds to small crowds for Romney, expect them to begin campaigning together a lot.

TheStig [19] -

OK, now THAT was funny!

:-)

-CW

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Sums up my views perfectly, by analysing Why was it necessary to lie in the first place?

I'm paraphrasing, but you don't get to the truth of what's happening in Iraq any which way you spin what Obama has said about that country.

It was Bush's surge that made Obama's "victory" in Iraq possible...

Let's see how may lies are uttered at the Dem convention. I'll bet it won't compare to what we're seeing this week in Tampa, not by a long shot!

"I'll take that action!"
-Dr Rodney McKay, STARGATE:ATLANTIS, McKay And Mrs Miller

:D

Michale.....

The lies won't matter much to the Republican core, but they may not go down well with the few genuinely undecided voters left who value character.

I think in this sense he completely blew it. Their candidacy already has integrity and character problems because of Romney flip flops. Now, when people find out their whole campaign is built on a lie, these problems are going to escalate further.

This is why I genuinely thought Ryan was going to take it to the next level and, for example, try to make an argument that Medicare is not viable in terms of it's long-term liability potential and needed urgent reform. There is a legitimate argument to be had there.

Instead it was the usual GOP lies about Obama's record, make up a bunch more lies about how Obama is so evil and absolutely no plan or policies to offer as an alternative. 35 minutes and he named one 'policy' - limiting spending to 20% of GDP - but since he didn't outline any plans as to how they will do this, it is barely even a 'policy'. I shouldn't have been so naive...

One of the biggest lies Obama has told was when he said that the US left Iraq a stable democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but you don't get to the truth of what's happening in Iraq any which way you spin what Obama has said about that country.

Let's see how may lies are uttered at the Dem convention. I'll bet it won't compare to what we're seeing this week in Tampa, not by a long shot!

The lies won't matter much to the Republican core, but they may not go down well with the few genuinely undecided voters left who value character.

I'm counting on that!

This convention, like the Republican campaign (since January 20, 2009), has been little more than endless lies, misleading statements and an overall dissemination of false information.

I am constrained to point out that Team Obama does not have much of a relationship with fact-telling either..

A point that will be made clear once the Dems have their little shindig...

Michale....

John McCain was John McCain: part goofball, part statesman, part demagog.

Portman spoke? How could I have possibly missed/forgotten it????!!!!

Huckabee reminds me of the preachers who used to be on early in the morning (between the farm report and the cartoons) in the Mid West. Which sounded a lot like Pat (loose) Buchanan, so I'll give you extra points for that.

I wasn't that impressed by Condi - it was another "all about me" speech oddly disconnected from her past roles in some well known quagmires and the general trajectory of the GOP these days. I believe it was she that used the term "National Yearning", which reminded me that my bladder was full, so I missed some of the speech. Or the speech of whoever said National Yearning.

As for Ryan, I have rarely seen such breathtaking lying delivered with such affected innocence. Couldn't see his feet, but I'll bet he twisted 'em back and forth, like little kids do when they lye. Cute as a button he was, reminded me of Eddie Munster.

Ryan was one of the few speakers to actually mention, even root for, Romney every few paragraphs, but my guess is that his speech will greatly outshine that of his boss. That could be a problem for Meh Romney. The lies won't matter much to the Republican core, but they may not go down well with the few genuinely undecided voters left who value character.

By the end of the speech, I was thinking "Mitt picked the wrong running mate." The biggest applause of the speech, in fact, was when Condi (speaking of her own life story) said she could grow up "to be president of the United States... if she wanted to be." The crowd went berserk. This woman would have made a formidable vice presidential candidate, that is for sure.

All the good GOP candidates don't want any part of this ticket. I think they underestimated how beatable Obama would be, but they don't want a part of what the party has become.

2016 could see the likes of J.Bush, Daniels, Condi, Christie, Rubio and a bunch of better candidates come out the woodwork and go for the Presidency.

Ryan uttered an absolute lie (while artfully dancing his language around the truth) about a plant closure in his town that happened before Obama even took office which didn't stop Ryan from blaming it on Obama.

I was wondering when you'd get around to that. Which of course, was not the only example, even if it was the only one pointed out here. And, it's never a good idea to include "dancing around the truth" when pointing out a lie. It's just bad for your credibility.

This convention, like the Republican campaign (since January 20, 2009), has been little more than endless lies, misleading statements and an overall dissemination of false information. Perhaps you use phrases like 'flinging out the red meat' as a code phrase for all of that?

Can't believe you didn't even mention the person who I thought was the best speaker by miles: Susana Martinez . If you didn't watch it make sure and do so. Again probably not extreme enough, a lot of talk about bi-partisan workings and far too moderate for the current GOP - but she gave an excellent speech. Solid, Conservative values without having to lie (much) about Obama.

I like McCain a lot but his speech was too neo-con (as you'd expect, since he has nothing in common with what the party has become). If he was running this year I could see the GOP winning - great leader who could stamp his authority on the party.

As for Mr Ryan well I was at times shocked by how far he went. I honestly thought this was going to be a huge speech where he laid out 'tough decisions' but he basically just flat out lied - a LOT! The line about Obamacare not having enough money so had to raid Medicare now seems to be their main and only attack line on Obamacare (since, like most Obama policies, they can't legitimately criticise it - so they just lie about it). This is fine when you're giving a solo speech but how are Ryan/Romney going to play this at the debates when the other side will be there to call them out on their lies? And how about the media reaction to their lies, just ignore it? I'm confused as to how they think this is a long-term strategy for the election.

But, apparently not ALL of them... :^/

Michale.....

To paraphrase Morpheus....

"Quit trying to ignore me and ignore me!!"

Immature name-calling is so beneath the denizens of Wegantia....

Michale.....

"I’m the newcomer to the campaign, so let me share a first impression. I have never seen opponents so silent about their record, and so desperate to keep their power.

They’ve run out of ideas. Their moment came and went. Fear and division are all they’ve got left."

That is so damn dead on ballz accurate it's scary...

Obama might as well just pack it in and concede now, because it's all downhill from here.. And I don't mean downhill in a 'smooth sailing context'

This point will be driven home on 7 Sep when the new jobless/unemployment numbers are released...

It ain't going to be pretty...

Michale.....

What I tell ya!?? :D

Ryan uttered an absolute lie (while artfully dancing his language around the truth) about a plant closure in his town that happened before Obama even took office which didn't stop Ryan from blaming it on Obama.

Yea, it's a bitch when candidates LIE during a campaign, ain't it! :D

As an aside... David, if yer still around can you check yer email?? Danke :D

Michale.....

Currently, it's a big oil can of Foster's...

:-)

That's a good slogan: "Enduring the BS so you don't have to!" Heh.

-CW

Seriously,just wanted to get in the first comment before the head fruitfly started his usual routine of repetitive droppings. I can't wait for your reports when you're at a convention for adults :)