Comments on: From The Archives -- The Bradley Effect v. The Obama Effect http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/ Reality-based political commentary Tue, 05 May 2026 00:20:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Kevin http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25424 Kevin Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:20:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25424 Chris, I'm posting this here in hopes that you'll read it. If you liked the piece on Morrill, check this out: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/joe-biden-chains-11844801 It directly addresses the Biden topic which you've received some backlash about (here and on Huffpo), and it has the funniest opening sentence since I can't remember when. There's a good reason he's cited and lauded on just about every progressive blog I read. Chris,

I'm posting this here in hopes that you'll read it. If you liked the piece on Morrill, check this out:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/joe-biden-chains-11844801

It directly addresses the Biden topic which you've received some backlash about (here and on Huffpo), and it has the funniest opening sentence since I can't remember when.
There's a good reason he's cited and lauded on just about every progressive blog I read.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25381 Kevin Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:42:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25381 Chris, You, especially, I thought would appreciate the piece. Pleased I was right :) Chris,

You, especially, I thought would appreciate the piece. Pleased I was right :)

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25376 Chris Weigant Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:45:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25376 Michale [21] - Yep. Since that's how we actually elect presidents, that's what I keep my eyes on. Think about it: if national polling had anything to do with being elected, Al Gore would have been inaugurated. Also, I think you're overstating the case that Obama's been "dragged down". His national poll numbers are still staying remarkably steady, and he's had a few pretty good weeks in the polls. Kevin - Wow, that is a cool article! I had never heard of him. I had heard of the land-grant colleges, but never of the man behind the plan. Thanks for the read, and I recommend it to all. Vermont has always been on the cutting edge of political thought, all the way back to the beginning. Ethan Allen, after being declared an outlaw, in 1771: "By Virtue of a late Law in the Province they are Not Allowed to hang any man before they have ketched him." Heh. Such feistiness lives on today in the Green Mountain State... :-) -CW Michale [21] -

Yep. Since that's how we actually elect presidents, that's what I keep my eyes on. Think about it: if national polling had anything to do with being elected, Al Gore would have been inaugurated. Also, I think you're overstating the case that Obama's been "dragged down". His national poll numbers are still staying remarkably steady, and he's had a few pretty good weeks in the polls.

Kevin -

Wow, that is a cool article! I had never heard of him. I had heard of the land-grant colleges, but never of the man behind the plan.

Thanks for the read, and I recommend it to all. Vermont has always been on the cutting edge of political thought, all the way back to the beginning.

Ethan Allen, after being declared an outlaw, in 1771:

"By Virtue of a late Law in the Province they are Not Allowed to hang any man before they have ketched him."

Heh. Such feistiness lives on today in the Green Mountain State...

:-)

-CW

]]> By: Kevin http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25363 Kevin Sat, 18 Aug 2012 14:08:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25363 If there was any misunderstanding, I'd hoped EVERYONE would read that excellent piece. I was just teasing Elizabeth specifically because of her announced aversion to links :) Didn't work, either...Sigh. If there was any misunderstanding, I'd hoped EVERYONE would read that excellent piece. I was just teasing Elizabeth specifically because of her announced aversion to links :) Didn't work, either...Sigh.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25361 Kevin Sat, 18 Aug 2012 14:01:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25361 Chris, No, a man named Morrill. I may of heard his name in the past, but Pierce (the article isn't that long and takes about 2 minutes to read) did a wonderful job educating me about him. Chris,

No, a man named Morrill. I may of heard his name in the past, but Pierce (the article isn't that long and takes about 2 minutes to read) did a wonderful job educating me about him.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25344 Michale Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:21:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25344 CW, <I> The polling has been pretty consistent, and Obama still has the electoral vote situation pretty well in hand. If that changes, I will get worried, but so far the changes have been pretty minor. </I> So your basing your opinion on strictly the Electoral College and not all the crap that has come down the pipe that's dragging Obama down.. Would that be an accurate assessment?? <I>I'll let you know if it happens, how's that?</I> Fair enough. :D Michale..... CW,

The polling has been pretty consistent, and Obama still has the electoral vote situation pretty well in hand. If that changes, I will get worried, but so far the changes have been pretty minor.

So your basing your opinion on strictly the Electoral College and not all the crap that has come down the pipe that's dragging Obama down..

Would that be an accurate assessment??

I'll let you know if it happens, how's that?

Fair enough. :D

Michale.....

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25339 Chris Weigant Sat, 18 Aug 2012 05:52:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25339 Michale [4] - Not really. Romney has gotten a small bump from the Ryan announcement, and he'll get another small bump from the convention, but Obama should get a similar bump a week or so later from the Dem convention. The polling has been pretty consistent, and Obama still has the electoral vote situation pretty well in hand. If that changes, I will get worried, but so far the changes have been pretty minor. I'll let you know if it happens, how's that? Kevin - OK, I haven't looked at the link yet. Is it about Horace Mann? CWC - Actually, I have to take the rap on this one. I do have a submission waiting (ONE, so anyone who wants to add to that total, please send it along!), but it was kind of heavy on the formatting, and I was swamped for time yesterday. So I punted. So the blame is all on me for the re-run, just had to come out and admit it. You'll see this column next Tuesday, I promise. Michale - Write it down, send it in! :-) -CW Michale [4] -

Not really. Romney has gotten a small bump from the Ryan announcement, and he'll get another small bump from the convention, but Obama should get a similar bump a week or so later from the Dem convention. The polling has been pretty consistent, and Obama still has the electoral vote situation pretty well in hand. If that changes, I will get worried, but so far the changes have been pretty minor. I'll let you know if it happens, how's that?

Kevin -

OK, I haven't looked at the link yet. Is it about Horace Mann?

CWC -

Actually, I have to take the rap on this one. I do have a submission waiting (ONE, so anyone who wants to add to that total, please send it along!), but it was kind of heavy on the formatting, and I was swamped for time yesterday. So I punted. So the blame is all on me for the re-run, just had to come out and admit it. You'll see this column next Tuesday, I promise.

Michale -

Write it down, send it in!

:-)

-CW

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25329 Michale Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:54:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25329 CWC, I have to admit I was pretty excited about submitting some commentaries.. Unfortunately, my work schedule has me eating, sleeping and breathing laptops and tablets practically every waking moment. And many SLEEPING moments as well. Plus some personal family matters has put a damper on my normal bubbly exuberance... But I hope to have a burst of creative insight just hit me at Warp 10 and something actually makes it to "paper".... Michale.... CWC,

I have to admit I was pretty excited about submitting some commentaries.. Unfortunately, my work schedule has me eating, sleeping and breathing laptops and tablets practically every waking moment. And many SLEEPING moments as well.

Plus some personal family matters has put a damper on my normal bubbly exuberance...

But I hope to have a burst of creative insight just hit me at Warp 10 and something actually makes it to "paper"....

Michale....

]]> By: CWCunningham http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25326 CWCunningham Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:23:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25326 I have to admit to being sad and disappointed. I've been looking forward to the user contributions every Tuesday and Thursday. There are so many clever and prolific commenters around here, I fully expected that Chris would be swamped trying to pick out the best pieces from stacks of prospects. Maybe that's it, Chris just doesn't have the time to run an editorial eye over the reams of submissions. I know you won't let me down, looking forward to your article soon! I have to admit to being sad and disappointed.

I've been looking forward to the user contributions every Tuesday and Thursday. There are so many clever and prolific commenters around here, I fully expected that Chris would be swamped trying to pick out the best pieces from stacks of prospects.

Maybe that's it, Chris just doesn't have the time to run an editorial eye over the reams of submissions.

I know you won't let me down, looking forward to your article soon!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25316 Michale Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:35:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25316 Liz, <I>I've never known you to be overbearing. </I> You are too kind.. :D <I>Shall we bet on the inevitable? :)</I> Abso-tively and Posi-loutly!! I think we should have a Weigantia-wide wager.. Something to get everyone involved... Michale..... Liz,

I've never known you to be overbearing.

You are too kind.. :D

Shall we bet on the inevitable? :)

Abso-tively and Posi-loutly!!

I think we should have a Weigantia-wide wager.. Something to get everyone involved...

Michale.....

]]> By: Kevin http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25315 Kevin Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:27:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25315 Elizabeth, it's an interesting history about public higher education in the U.S. and the story of the exceptional life of the man behind it. I'd never heard of the guy; but he was responsible for SO MUCH about what is good in the country. And this all happened in the midst of the Civil War !!! If you don't already know this stuff (and I didn't), I think you'll find it fascinating. And one last poke and then I'll never mention it again...what was your quiz score? :) Elizabeth, it's an interesting history about public higher education in the U.S. and the story of the exceptional life of the man behind it. I'd never heard of the guy; but he was responsible for SO MUCH about what is good in the country. And this all happened in the midst of the Civil War !!! If you don't already know this stuff (and I didn't), I think you'll find it fascinating.

And one last poke and then I'll never mention it again...what was your quiz score? :)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25314 Michale Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:20:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25314 It's as I said above (or afore.. Not sure which...) <B>Hillary rejected VP slot to ready her own 2016 run</B> http://washingtonexaminer.com/hillary-rejected-vp-slot-to-ready-her-own-2016-run/article/2505206#.UC59GKBsKZS Team Obama was begging Hillary to replace Biden and Hillary told him to take a flying leap... :D I think we can all rest assured that there WON'T be 4 more years of Obama.... Michale..... It's as I said above (or afore.. Not sure which...)

Hillary rejected VP slot to ready her own 2016 run
http://washingtonexaminer.com/hillary-rejected-vp-slot-to-ready-her-own-2016-run/article/2505206#.UC59GKBsKZS

Team Obama was begging Hillary to replace Biden and Hillary told him to take a flying leap... :D

I think we can all rest assured that there WON'T be 4 more years of Obama....

Michale.....

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25313 Elizabeth Miller Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:15:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25313 Michale, I've never known you to be overbearing. Shall we bet on the inevitable? :) Michale,

I've never known you to be overbearing.

Shall we bet on the inevitable? :)

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25312 Elizabeth Miller Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:13:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25312 What's the Esquire link all about, Kevin? What's the Esquire link all about, Kevin?

]]> By: Kevin http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25311 Kevin Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:08:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25311 I can't resist...I've been thinking about this scene for several months. I admit, it is heavy-handed, but for a 43 year old movie it was certainly prescient about the 1% and their 26% followers. And Peter Sellers was a GOOD fictional example of a self-aware 1%er :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQxL0O1lYvg I can't resist...I've been thinking about this scene for several months. I admit, it is heavy-handed, but for a 43 year old movie it was certainly prescient about the 1% and their 26% followers. And Peter Sellers was a GOOD fictional example of a self-aware 1%er :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQxL0O1lYvg

]]> By: Kevin http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25308 Kevin Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:27:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25308 This is beautiful, and very informative. Elizabeth, I know you hate clicking on links; but PLEASE check this out. I never knew any of this important history :) http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/morrill-symposium-11778233 This is beautiful, and very informative. Elizabeth, I know you hate clicking on links; but PLEASE check this out. I never knew any of this important history :)

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/morrill-symposium-11778233

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25299 Michale Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:23:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25299 :D I understand completely... :D It's gonna be rough for ya'all in 90 days, I can imagine.... :D I am just trying to mentally prepare ya'all for the inevitable... Yer welcome. :D Michale.. :D I understand completely... :D

It's gonna be rough for ya'all in 90 days, I can imagine.... :D

I am just trying to mentally prepare ya'all for the inevitable...

Yer welcome. :D

Michale..

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25298 Elizabeth Miller Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:07:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25298 Michale, I haven't enough time to waste on your nonsense. Michale,

I haven't enough time to waste on your nonsense.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25294 Michale Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:20:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25294 <I>He has already stated he is going to sell us out to the Russians.. </I> OK, that might have been over the top hyperbole.. Amend that to say, "Obama has already stated that he won't have any public opinion concerns when dealing with the Russians after his re-election." Michale..... He has already stated he is going to sell us out to the Russians..

OK, that might have been over the top hyperbole..

Amend that to say, "Obama has already stated that he won't have any public opinion concerns when dealing with the Russians after his re-election."

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25290 Michale Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:36:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25290 <I>I can't honestly say that I'm worried. I think the prospects for the president's reelection are quite good.</I> I'm not trying to be argumentative here (really I'm not.. well, not MUCH anyways.. :D) I am sincerely curious.. What do you base that on?? <I>But, I am worried that Obama will not have the effective Democrat majorities in the House and Senate that will be required through his second term to continue the fragile economic recovery and make it stronger.</I> We've seen what Obama can do when he has strong majorities in both houses of Congress.. And it ain't pretty... I truly shudder to think what Obama will do when, unfettered by re-election considerations. And I would wager that, amongst Americans, I am not alone in that fear.. He has already stated he is going to sell us out to the Russians.. Gods know what other damage he is going to do.. Michale.... I can't honestly say that I'm worried. I think the prospects for the president's reelection are quite good.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here (really I'm not.. well, not MUCH anyways.. :D) I am sincerely curious..

What do you base that on??

But, I am worried that Obama will not have the effective Democrat majorities in the House and Senate that will be required through his second term to continue the fragile economic recovery and make it stronger.

We've seen what Obama can do when he has strong majorities in both houses of Congress.. And it ain't pretty...

I truly shudder to think what Obama will do when, unfettered by re-election considerations.

And I would wager that, amongst Americans, I am not alone in that fear..

He has already stated he is going to sell us out to the Russians..

Gods know what other damage he is going to do..

Michale....

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25288 Elizabeth Miller Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:25:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25288 Michale, But, I am worried that Obama will not have the effective Democrat majorities in the House and Senate that will be required through his second term to continue the fragile economic recovery and make it stronger. Michale,

But, I am worried that Obama will not have the effective Democrat majorities in the House and Senate that will be required through his second term to continue the fragile economic recovery and make it stronger.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25287 Elizabeth Miller Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:22:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25287 Michale, I can't honestly say that I'm worried. I think the prospects for the president's reelection are quite good. Michale,

I can't honestly say that I'm worried. I think the prospects for the president's reelection are quite good.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25286 Michale Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:03:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25286 I know I can be a little... er.. "loquacious" at times, a little overbearing.. But I have to ask and I hope ya'all can answer honestly.. Is anyone worried about Obama's re-election chances?? I mean, look at the hits that Obama has taken this summer.. Groups that were instrumental in his 2008 meteoric rise to power are abandoning him by the tens of thousands... Support from the black community is going down for Obama and support from the youth vote is rising for Romney.. Add to that, all the negative campaigning, the blatant lies from Obama ads and surrogates that are actually getting press coverage. Democrats who, in the past, have been Paul Ryan Democrats and have had a LOT of nice things to say about Ryan. Gaffes from Team Obama and Obama himself that show how out of touch Obama's bubble is with ordinary Americans. Then there are the scandals that show Obama is not the transparent President he claimed he would be.. All of this adding up... I have to ask.... Is anyone worried?? Be honest now... Michale..... I know I can be a little... er.. "loquacious" at times, a little overbearing..

But I have to ask and I hope ya'all can answer honestly..

Is anyone worried about Obama's re-election chances??

I mean, look at the hits that Obama has taken this summer..

Groups that were instrumental in his 2008 meteoric rise to power are abandoning him by the tens of thousands... Support from the black community is going down for Obama and support from the youth vote is rising for Romney..

Add to that, all the negative campaigning, the blatant lies from Obama ads and surrogates that are actually getting press coverage.

Democrats who, in the past, have been Paul Ryan Democrats and have had a LOT of nice things to say about Ryan.

Gaffes from Team Obama and Obama himself that show how out of touch Obama's bubble is with ordinary Americans.

Then there are the scandals that show Obama is not the transparent President he claimed he would be..

All of this adding up...

I have to ask.... Is anyone worried??

Be honest now...

Michale.....

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25285 Elizabeth Miller Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:50:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25285 Yes, this is all quite hilarious. In the meantime, I wonder what the anti-Enlightenment effect will be on whether President Obama will have to contend with the nonsense and ignorance of a larger or smaller number of House and Senate republicans throughout his second term. Yes, this is all quite hilarious.

In the meantime, I wonder what the anti-Enlightenment effect will be on whether President Obama will have to contend with the nonsense and ignorance of a larger or smaller number of House and Senate republicans throughout his second term.

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25280 Chris Weigant Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:12:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25280 Chris1962 - Well, hey, y'know... Heh. -CW Chris1962 -

Well, hey, y'know...

Heh.

-CW

]]> By: Chris1962 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/08/16/from-the-archives-the-bradley-effect-v-the-obama-effect/#comment-25273 Chris1962 Fri, 17 Aug 2012 01:03:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=6065#comment-25273 Great article, Chris. Soooo much fun to look back. Great article, Chris. Soooo much fun to look back.

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