Southern Bellwether
The Democratic convention is a national coming-out party for Charlotte. But diverse North Carolina is also a harbinger of how the presidential race could go.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/charlotte-s-coming-out-party-20120628?page=1

Last time, Obama claimed that the private sector is "doing fine"... GOP pounced on the line and Obama couldn't backtrack fast enough..

Today, in an early campaign stop, Obama claimed that the dismal JOBs number was "a step in the right direction".

The GOP was incredulous... By the afternoon campaign stump, Obama had dropped that line of thought...

I guess Obama has extended all the bowing to GOP leaders as well.. :D

Michale.....

you're no dullard michale, and i think if you take a second read you'll see Root mirroring the same economic ignorance he sees in others. there is a world outside the US, and the current economic conditions are much more complex than the picture he's presenting. certainly both the left and the right, private businesspeople and public servants alike, all tend not to really understand the challenges that the others face.

but root is propagating more ignorance with his talking points about how ignorant others are.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48092010

Unemployment stayed at 8.2, but JOBs creation was dismal. WAY below projections..

Fun thing is, Obama said that, if we passed the STIMULUS, Unemployment would be about 5.6% right now...

Michale.....

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/05/economic-ignorance-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/

Explains it so even a dullard like me can understand it...

Michale.....

JOBS numbers will come out about 0830hrs EDT...

Any wagers???

I'll wager that the Unemployment goes down .1%, but that the JOBS Created number is dismal...

Michale.....

NOTHING would surprise me about Obama...

With his AZ semi win and his ObamaCare "win", I bet Obama feels he has locked in his Base support.

So, by going after Iran, he is thinking he will bring over some Independents and NPAs...

Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me.. We have a Nixon Jr in the White House and his own political survival is his SOLE concern...

Michale.....

Trump is saying he's convinced that O is gonna go to war with Iran just to win the election. Maybe that Mayan calendar is right after all. ;D

47% Consider Obama’s Political Views Extreme, 31% Say Same of Romney

Barring any major upheavals, the 2012 election is going to make 2000 look like nothing...

Michale.....

47% Consider Obama’s Political Views Extreme, 31% Say Same of Romney
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/june_2012/47_consider_obama_s_political_views_extreme_31_say_same_of_romney

Conversely, even the National Enquirer breaks a solid news story now and again... :D

Belushi and Edwards come to mind....

Michale.....

Agreed.. When you DO have the facts on your side, no one listens..

Much like the Bush Bashers of the Bush years. They screamed so much a bout Bush that people just turned them off..

Looking at it in THAT context, I can understand why ya'all would not be interested in more Obama/Forgery points..

But ya gotta admit.. The evidence IS compelling.. And the only way to explain it is by Coincidence/Typo/C.A.R.E.....

But how many of those can one man have in his life before people start wondering???

CB,

Who wants to break the news to our public servant that We, the People — his bosses — decide if CrapCare is here to stay; not him.

This is so dead on ballz accurate, it's scary!! :D

Michale.....

Michale....

Not if you're a one-termer, O. (Gosh, this guy loves to play the role of dictator. Who wants to break the news to our public servant that We, the People — his bosses — decide if CrapCare is here to stay; not him.)

factually, i'm in no position to know. however, the tea partiers have cried wolf so many times on obama's background, in terms of public perception the the actual facts practically don't even matter.

B. Obama is not as good as the Left thinks..

as i understand such things, the left tends not to think obama is all that good, nor that romney is all that bad. the far left tends to regard obama as a giant disappointment and romney as a weaselly waste of space. some on the left are planning to vote for obama (mostly due to the make-up of the SCOTUS), but few retain any illusions about him being a genuine ally.

The EGO on this guy is simply AMAZING...

No one had ANYTHING to do with passing ObamaCare..

It was ALL Obama....

This guy is not even PRETENDING to be anything but a king....

Michale......

I know, I know... Ya'all will poo poo this away, even thought it's chock full o' facts...

But Obama ignores this at his own peril...

Michale.....

he should be head and shoulders above his lame Republican challenger.

Agreed.. If Romney were as bad as the Left claims him to be and Obama is as good as the Left claims him to be, then Obama should be stomping Romney out of the election..

So, two possibilities exist.

1. Romney isn't as bad as the Left thinks..

OR

B. Obama is not as good as the Left thinks..

But, then, when you think about it some more, the polls are not really a reflection of who the candidates are, neither what they have said nor what they have done.

Exactly..

It's perception that is all important..

CB,

if I were Team Obama, seeing as undecideds generally don't break for the incumbent.

Elections usually favor the incumbent.. This is conventional wisdom that is based on one thing..

That the incumbent has a half way decent record to run on...

Obama doesn't... And that's why he is having so many problems...

Hey, no more live camera in your shop? I was keeping an eye on the customers for ya.

I'll have it up for the weekend. On Thu and Fri, I work nekkid.. :D

Ya'all are too nice to be exposed to that horror.... :D

Michale.....

I think Team-Obama's biggest concern should be that he never manages to get above 50% and stay there. And he's not showing very well in a lot of those battleground states, either, as you had mentioned earlier. I'd be getting nervous, if I were Team Obama, seeing as undecideds generally don't break for the incumbent.

Hey, no more live camera in your shop? I was keeping an eye on the customers for ya.

But, bottom line, something just feels plain "off" with the polling, in general...

That sounds right. Because, taking everything into account about Romney and about how the Republicans have been acting for the last four years, Obama shouldn't have to worry about not getting bumps in his poll numbers ... he should be head and shoulders above his lame Republican challenger.

But, then, when you think about it some more, the polls are not really a reflection of who the candidates are, neither what they have said nor what they have done.

No, the polls reflect more upon the electorate, themselves. And, clearly, when 60% of voters who identify themselves as Republican reject the Enlightenment, for God's sake, don't be too surprised when poll results don't look normal!

And, besides, Americans have been divided politically forever, you know, no matter what. :)

Good answer! :D

heck, i said approval and disapproval would both be within 3 points of 47.5, but i didn't think they'd be within 3 TENTHS of a point!

When yer good, yer good..

It's amazing (suspiciously so) that Obama's poll numbers are so steady...

It's undeniable that he has taken some huge hits this last month or so..

I wouldn't have thought that the pluses would have compensated, as they were "mixed review" pluses...

Michale.....

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heck, i said approval and disapproval would both be within 3 points of 47.5, but i didn't think they'd be within 3 TENTHS of a point!

;)
JL

What is it about elitist Leftists that they always have to cap on America???

If it's so bad here, why don't they just trip the frak out the door and don't let it hit them on their ass on the way out...

Tell me.. What's the attraction of slamming down the country that has given them soo much???

Michale.....

I think, once you start looking at state by state polls, the numbers won't be very pretty for Obama..

However, in the 15 states CNN calls its battleground states — Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin — Romney leads Obama, 51 percent to 43 percent. Notably, though, the CNN/ORC International group includes three states thought to be comfortably in the Romney column this cycle: Arizona, Indiana, and Missouri.
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-romney-claims-slight-edge-15-battleground-states-164545408.html;_ylt=A2KLOzGP5vJPnRUA.Q3QtDMD

Y'know, I'm starting to hear chatter about the polling, i.e., something is "off." Chris Matthews made a comment about it. The Dem PPP polling place admitted, themselves, that they were off by about 16 points (!!!) on the North Carolina gay-marriage/gay-unions vote and didn't know why, but don't trust national polling on the gay issue anymore. The Wisconsin recall election was totally off, calling it a "tight" race (remember how everyone was saying that we might be up all night; THAT'S how close it was going to be?) when it wasn't even anywhere near it.

Typically, I follow Gallup (registered voters, although half of registered voters don't even vote) and Rasmussen (likely voters), because both do daily polling and 3-day averages, and between the two of them, you can get a decent sense of what the national sentiment is.

As for the news organizations (CNN, CBS, NBC, New York Times, Fox, Wall St. Journal, AP), I take them with a grain of salt. I've always felt, for years, that they were sloppy with their demographics (e.g., using outdated models; putting too much weight on youths, who are notorious for not turning out; etc.)

And there's one polling org — Kaiser — that I pay absolutely no attention to anymore. It always sticks out like a sore thumb and reminds me of that polling org that Kos eventually fired, which turned out to be cooking the numbers.

But, bottom line, something just feels plain "off" with the polling, in general, as Matthews said. And he's an old political war horse, who's been in the game forever. And he said it just as I was thinking the same thing. For starters, it's not normal for Obama NOT to be getting "bumps" for anything.

i do believe i have some quatloos coming my way. fork 'em over guys.

Just post your bank account info, including PIN and Login info and I'll make sure those quatloos are transferred forthwith.. :D

Michale.....

Not on the analysis, but on the polls themselves...

On the other hand, to counter all the bad stuff Obama had, he DID have the AZ ruling that was nominally in his favor and, of course, the ObamaCare ruling.....

So, it's possible that they balanced each other out...

But, like CB said... "Sheeesh"....

Michale.....

You did indeed call this one right, as I recall.

Chris1962 -

What astounded me was how even in the detail chart it's becoming almost impossible to see any movement whatsoever.

-CW

Here we are again. No matter what he does, nothing happens to his numbers. No bump for the immigration thing. No meaningful decline for the bad job numbers. No bump for CrapCare (although it's still early). I'll bet we have a long summer of more boring poll numbers. It's so annoying how unreadable this election is.