Couldn't agree more....

I guess we're done here. :D

Michale.....

The ones that are earning 6 and 7 figure a year salaries from those dues.. :D

Michale....

i think i've been pretty consistent on this issue. neither corporation nor union, nor any other group, independently of its component members, should be able to devote so much as one penny to an election campaign.

The Unions are simply INCENSED that Walker ended compulsory dues....

this may be the case with SOME of union "leadership," but not with union members themselves. remember that the term "union" describes not just the leaders but the working members. even if the changes in dues collection are a certain individual's main concern, that individual would never admit it or they'd have an internal riot on their hands.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/us/politics/a-campaign-finance-ruling-turned-to-labors-advantage.html?pagewanted=all

Once again...

Groups decried and castigated the Citizens United ruling, calling it Armageddon and the End Of Days..

Then it was, "Wait! We can make millions off of this too!!!" ....

So I guess Unions are as evil as Corporations, eh? :D

Michale.....

The biggest problem that the Unions have with Walker is not that he eliminated collective bargaining..

The Unions are simply INCENSED that Walker ended compulsory dues....

Michale.....

Apparently, Walker's plan is working...

3.6 Billion has been saved, over 20K jobs have been created and the state's unemployment is lower than the country's...

Nothing succeeds like success...

nonetheless, your point is well taken. as i acknowledged above, most democrats are no friend to working people, they just seem so in comparison to republicans. only the left has to somewhat moderate its hostile stance toward labor, and that's only because the unions contribute significant (although still a minority) campaign funds. corporate money still basically has a stranglehold on both the left and the right.

Can't argue with the logic.. Especially since it's pretty much what I have been saying since 2006... :D

Michale.....

no, he's being recalled for eliminating the right to collective bargaining. yes, what walker claimed his legislation would do was basically similar to what barrett proposed. but there's a big difference between tough negotiations to save money and eliminating the right to negotiate at all.

nonetheless, your point is well taken. as i acknowledged above, most democrats are no friend to working people, they just seem so in comparison to republicans. only the left has to somewhat moderate its hostile stance toward labor, and that's only because the unions contribute significant (although still a minority) campaign funds. corporate money still basically has a stranglehold on both the left and the right.

here's some evidence that the change has been noticed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/us/politics/a-campaign-finance-ruling-turned-to-labors-advantage.html?pagewanted=all

Hmmmmmmmm

Isn't Walker being recalled for JUST this same thing???

I am cornfused...

Michale.....

it's what the corporate side wants, who are just as likely to be neo-liberal as neo-con in their political ideology. as long as labor is devalued and profits keep growing, the left-right issues are, as scott walker bluntly put it, "divide and conquer."

~joshua

Or FOUR people with jobs that has decent pay and no benefits??

neither is particularly fair, since the four don't have decent pay. they barely make enough to feed their families, who also don't have benefits or health insurance, so the hidden losses are much greater.

of course, the reality of what happens is even more drastically unfair. one person loses the good job, both that person and his or her spouse, who used to be able to afford to stay at home and take care of the kids, get jobs that pay half as much combined, and the other half gets split between a multi-million dollar bonus for the head administrator and a tax break for a corporation, most of which they use to open a new factory in indonesia, and jack up prices on consumers anyway.

in addition, fewer taxes are paid on that half, being stashed in off-shore accounts and corporate tax shelters. therefore there's even less money available in the next budget, the couple's salaries are cut even more, and one of them is switched to part time. a kid gets sick, and with no health insurance they deplete their savings, go into debt and lose their house. it's a nightmare scenario that would seem far-fetched if it didn't keep happening.

and some more woody allen:

"Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons."

Which is exactly what the Left wants.

Everyone dragged down to the lowest common denominator.. :D

Seriously, though..

Since "fair" seems to be the watchword of the day, what's more "fair"??

One person with an awesome job with great pay and benefits..

Or FOUR people with jobs that has decent pay and no benefits??

Again, Spock's words ring true...

Michale.....

yes, this allows the poverty to be spread more evenly as it increases. a convenient substitute for the middle class, as it ceases to exist.

“Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate”
~woody allen

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few..... Or the one"
-Spock

Michale.....

Should be interesting...

Michale.....

Michale.....

LOL! Not me. I'm already gearing up to give Chris told-ya-so hell. I think it was a CrapCare discussion that originally brought us two Chrises together.

I am going to do my damndest to be a gracious winner.. :D

Michale.....

Last month, the Unemployment DROPPED, and the Jobs Added also dropped..

Of course, the GOP slammed Obama for the Jobs...

This month, Unemployment ROSE but so did the Jobs..

How much ya'all wanna bet that the GOP will slam Obama for the Unemployment this time?? :D

Of course, the converse is also true.. Last month, Democrats cheered the Unemployment figure and ignored the JOBS figure. This month, they'll cheer the JOBS figure, but ignore the Unemployment one.

Someone remind me, again, the difference between Democrats and Republicans?? :D I seem to have forgotten..

Michale.....

Our own DWS said that exactly a couple weeks ago..

Of course, the following week, when indications are that Walker is going to win, THEN DWS said that it's not any big deal..

You have to wonder how ANY politician, Dem or GOP keeps their positions straight...

Wha??? Do they make notations in a little book, "If it's Tuesday, then Wisconsin is the end all be all... But if it's THURSDAY then Wisconsin doesn't mean a thing"...

Michale.....