Who'se yer daddy!!??? WHO IS YER DADDY!!!???

:D

It's tough being right all the time.. :D

Michale.....

Report states that, beyond the cause of death (lead poisoning), Martin had wounds to his knuckles. These wounds are consistent with Zimmerman's story that Martin punched him in the face.

Again, the more evidence that comes out, the more and more it looks like this is a simple textbook case of self defense.

Michale....

ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7N_-sWqZpc

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

It's clear from the physical evidence that Zimmerman suffered a massive beat down that prompted him to shoot Martin.

It's rather ironic. Every supported and substantiated piece of evidence that has come to light since Sharpton and Jackson started their race war has confirmed that Sanford PD made the right call initially...

The medical notes may bolster Zimmerman's claim that he acted in self-defense because he was being attacked. However, the prosecution contends that Zimmerman instigated the confrontation after profiling the teen, who was walking home after buying skittles and ice tea. They prosecution says Martin was breaking no laws and was not disturbing anyone as he walked back to his father's girlfriend's home.

ABC has it wrong here. Or the State does. It's a tough call who is more moronic...

According to the FL Statute, it doesn't matter WHO started the fight. It doesn't matter WHO followed who...

What's only relevant is the last 30-90 seconds of Trayvon Martin's life...

If Judge Lester is the kind of judge I think he is, the kind he SHOULD be, Zimmerman will walk at the immunity.

And there will be no payday for Trayvon's parents, Crump, Sharpton or Jackson... They can't sue ANYONE, if Zimmerman walks at the Immunity Hearing..

But there WILL be a huge payday for Zimmerman. He can sue the Martins, Crump, Sharpton, Jackson and EVERY Democrat who accused Zimmerman of being a racist..

Zimmerman might end up owning half of Congress when this is over!! :D

I wonder if they are going to sell tickets.. :D

Michale.....

[Ed. Note: Fixed it for you. -CW]

that's why it is called confirmation bias. human beings have a tendency to perceive, interpret and regurgitate information in ways that conform to their preconceived notions, no matter whether they are motivated by money, laziness, political ideology or most likely all of the above. that's why media constructs tend to take on a life of their own, as more people "find" things that to any objective observer would be clearly inaccurate. it's not the most elegant explanation, but it's likely the truest.

There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong.
-H. L. Mencken.

A lonely mother gazing out of her window staring at a son that she just can't touch.

Don't go chasing waterfalls.
Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.
I know that you're gonna have it your way or nothing at all,
but I think you're moving too fast.

-Waterfalls, TLC

Michale.....

Michale....

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299918/censored-race-war-thomas-sowell#

Michale.....

If a GOP'er had done that, the MSM would have skewered them 10 ways from Sunday..

But, because it's a Dem, the MSM circles the wagons and protects her..

Michale.....

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

It simply boggles a rational mind that all the the racist based accusations and manipulations and lies would all be accidental, yet all support the exact same narrative in the exact same way...

Your other theory (David's theory??) about it being all about ratings is MORE logical. At least that acknowledges the intelligent design behind the whole facade..

But THAT theory falls apart when one takes it to the next logical step...

evidence to suggest confirmation bias. you'd be amazed at how much of what we think we know for a fact is actually constructed in our heads from partial truths. all of us, self included.

My point is, though, that we let the black activists get away with so much more...

What would happen if the white community, nation wide, would put a DEAD OR ALIVE bounty on Jesse Jackson?? Or Al Sharpton??

Holder's DOJ would be all over it like stink on crap...

I mean, we see images like this:

vscdn.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Trayvon-Martin-shooting-target.png

And people go bat shit..

Yet we see images like this:

actionnewsjax.com/media/lib/1/b/c/6/bc666aec-0e2f-4e5c-96bf-3d700fc4f6f6/Story.jpg

... and people are, "Ho hum, what's for dinner tonight??"

And the black activists have the un-mitigated gall, the utter nerve to complain about racism!!!

Why don't they clean their own house first!???

It's this double standard that really pisses me off...

And, normal civilized people just let them get away with it...

It's enough to piss off the pope, as my daddy used to say...

Michale....

actually pretty good. it would be neither the first time nor the last. the fact that even fox picked it up and ran it supports my earlier point: news people, no matter what their ideological bent, are on a deadline and frequently cut corners when it comes to verifying. whether intentional or unintentional, from within the MSM or from the outside, it only takes a few people out of tens of thousands to cause a large-scale error.

In this country, the ONLY element needed to be accused of being racist, to be charged with a "hate" crime is that ONE party is black and the OTHER party is not...
How did fakes and charlatans so warp justice as to bring us to the point to where a black person can say any outrageously racist rant and they not be called on it

evidence to suggest confirmation bias. you'd be amazed at how much of what we think we know for a fact is actually constructed in our heads from partial truths. all of us, self included.

You better check yo self before you wreck yo self
Cos I'm bad for your health, I come real stealth
-ice cube

Where's all the outrage??

Where's all the marches??

Where's all the boycotts??

Sad... Just sad....

Michale.....

You know what's really sad???

In this country, the ONLY element needed to be accused of being racist, to be charged with a "hate" crime is that ONE party is black and the OTHER party is not..

How did fakes and charlatans so warp justice as to bring us to the point to where a black person can say any outrageously racist rant and they not be called on it, but a white person could say something as innocent as "niggardly" and be fired for "racism" or a conscientious hispanic good neighbor defends himself from a vicious attack from some low-life thug and the good neighbor is the one threatened and charged!

It boggles the mind... What a country we live in, eh??

Michale.....

I mean, EVERYONE should be outraged at this...

Michale.....

Or, maybe I will... :D

Michale.....

I won't even bother pointing out how the totality of the MSM (INCLUDING FNC) were using the picture on the right instead of the picture on the left..

Michale....

Yes you did..

By selectively editing the above transcript, you completely changed the meaning and made it appear to say something it didn't...

Much like NBC.. NBC wanted to serve the black Democrats/Liberal/Everyone Except Blacks Is Racist agenda..

So this:

"Zimmerman: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about."

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”

becomes this:

Zimmerman: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. He looks black.”

And viola'...

You have a racial incident where none existed..

It took me about 5 seconds to manually edit the transcript, but that was simple text.. To do it with an audio file would take a couple minutes at least, depending on the horsepower of the computer.

Therefore, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE that this wasn't done intentionally. And, what are the odds that the ONE segment that would show this wasn't racial at all would be the ONE segment that was deleted in the interests of alleged "time constraints"..

Especially when one takes into account that this "accidental" deletion would allow THIS story to fit into the fairy tale that OTHER MSM outlets were concocting..

What are the odds that it's all ONE BIG coincidence??

Once again, I must point out that, while I WAS born at night (2225hrs to be exact) it wasn't LAST night.. :D

Michale.....

I'll just remind ya'all of your arguments when Fox News does something as egregious.. :D

hmmm... i'm sure i had some sort of point to make...

If you are going to pare down to make a segment fit, you would pare down from the beginning or from the end.. Not in the middle..

It simply CAN'T be coincidental that they snipped the ONE 2-3 second blurb that would show that Zimmerman wasn't being racist.. Especially when given the context of all the other reports that were being shown...

Apparently, even NBC knew they were dirty, as they fired 3-4 people involved with it...

It's Dan Rather and CBS all over again...

But it's kewl..

I'll just remind ya'all of your arguments when Fox News does something as egregious.. :D

Michale.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story_3.html

The other reason it's interesting is because it's conservatives arguing against the extremism in their own party. It's also interesting because they're encouraging the media to write about this and to not take the "here's what Dems say, here's what Republicans say" approach long advocated by ... umm ... conservatives.

"We understand the values of mainstream journalists, including the effort to report both sides of a story. But a balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon distorts reality. If the political dynamics of Washington are unlikely to change anytime soon, at least we should change the way that reality is portrayed to the public."

Very interesting ...
-David

that's one possibility. another is that paring down was necessary to fit a segment length or file size, and confirmation bias (see above) led to those being the versions that ran. yet another possibility is that someone on the outside edited the clips and sent them pre-edited to the news organizations, who lazily passed them up the line without doing their due diligence on their authenticity. those are just off the top of my head, there are probably other possible explanations as well.

see, that's where you're seeing the product but not the mechanics of production. media takes a lot of effort to produce but very little effort to distribute. it's also highly subject to confirmation bias (look that up), both in searching for information and interpreting the information that is found.

therefore, even an extremely SMALL percentage of people, if they get a mistaken impression, can blow that impression up to epic proportions. the vast majority of the rest lazily and uncritically redistribute whatever passes their desk. that's how the obama birther issue stayed in the MSM for as long as it did, a few die-hards kept looking for fragments to confirm their suspicions, while everyone else just sort-of passed it along.

~joshua

1. These falsifying of facts was not done accidentally or inadvertently. To alter the transcript of the Sanford PD call, you have to import the audio into an audio manipulator and actually remove a portion of the audio. With the video from the Sanford PD contonement area, one would have to import the video and manually reduce the resolution. These actions simply could not have resulted by ANY other way, other than intentional.. You can't accidentally reduce resolution or snip an audio segment from an audio transcript. These acts were intentional..

2. These transgressions of journalistic integrity weren't done by some low level copy editor at some MSM affiliate in Podunk, Kentucky... These actions were done and released at the NATIONAL Network level. Therefore that puts the responsibility clearly on the MSM entity as a whole..

Michale....

There can be no doubt that a LARGE sampling of the MSM manipulated the Zimmerman story to paint Zimmerman as the crook and Trayvon as the victim.

While it could be argued as to WHY the MSM did this, the "ratings" explanation doesn't fit the facts. If ratings were the goal, then race riots would have been the logical outcome..

While I would concede that evidence is sparse (relatively speaking) to convict the MSM of complete Liberal bias, taking into account the totality of the MSM stories at any given time.

So, that's a harder case to make, I grant you.

However, it simply cannot be logically denied that, in this ONE particular incident (the Zimmerman shooting), there was definitely a concerted effort amongst the MSM in collusion with black Democrats and the black (sic, gag, barf) "leadership" to present the Zimmerman story as a story of racism gone wrong.

A story, I might add, that has nothing to do with the facts..

Michale....

fox is a little different from other media outlets, because the executive management exerts much more direct control over the content. the way management wants to frame the facts is enforced on everyone throughout the organization. anyone who insists on trying to present the facts in any other way gets fired, so the content tends to stay uniform and consistent by design.

all the other major networks function as much more chaotic systems. they are vulnerable to manipulation of all sorts, be it partisan, economic, personal or what have you, by interests both within the networks and on the outside. there have been many stories that push a biased agenda to favor one interest or another, but there's very little consistency in terms of which interests happen to be pulling the MSM's strings at any given moment.

~joshua

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/news/Trayvon-Martin-gun-range-targets-sold-online/-/9533136/13069306/-/10ffct0z/-/index.html

Michale.....

Newsweek names Obama 'The First Gay President' in shocking cover talking about his support of same-sex marriage
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143889/Newsweek-names-Obama-The-First-Gay-President-shocking-cover-talking-support-sex-marriage.html

WOW!!!!

I must be telepathetic!!! :D

Michale.....

Put another way...

If some FOX News Producer in Bumfuq, Kentucky put out phony documentation that Obama was a homosexual muslim, would the Left condemn JUST that Fox News producer??

I think we BOTH know that the Left would come down on Fox News in it's entirety like a ton 'o bricks... :D

Michale....

Media outlets are responsible for the activities of their workers. If an ABC producer in BumFuq Kentucky puts out a bogus story, ABC is responsible..

Michale....

Actually there is...

ABC released a low-resolution video of the contonement area. Once another outlet got ahold of the un-doctored video, Zimmerman's wounds were clearly seen..

as for zimmerman being "an overzealous vigilante wannabe cop..." i've seen evidence from all the sources you've cited, and by all accounts that's EXACTLY what he was. i'm unclear in what way you think CBS's version was changed to make him appear even moreso.

You probably base your assessment on the news report that Zimmerman called 911 46 times in the past year..

Would your opinion change if you knew the fact is that Zimmerman called the police (both 911 and Non-Emergency Line) 46 times in EIGHT years??

It's alterations like these that form a picture in people's minds.. A picture that is completely false...

happy mother's day :)

While I am not a mother, I can be a "mother....." :D

Be that as it may, happy Mother's day to you too.. :D

Michale

i don't have your knowledge of criminal procedure, so i accept the argument that zimmerman is highly likely not to be convicted of anything. without proof, someone's innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. that's legal reality, not real reality. what i meant is that based on the evidence it seems LIKELY he was improperly conducting the lawful act of neighborhood watch, and that is the proximate cause of the shooting. it's LIKELY that his actions (if there had been proof of them) would fit the definition of manslaughter in the second degree. but reasonable doubt, sure.

Joshua, that is EXACTLY what the MSM did.

CBS changed the facts to make it look like Zimmerman was an overzealous vigilante wannabe cop...

first off, you're still speaking of news networks as if each were a single individual, and they're still not. by their nature, they're incapable of doing what you're claiming.

the NBC shortening of the phone conversation did come out sounding as if zimmerman were racist, but that's the only one of those three examples that even has a remote air of validity. even there, we don't know which individuals were involved in the editing, much less whether each was motivated by politics, money, laziness, the need to condense the information to fit a shorter time-span, or something else that none of us has thought of. the creation of apparent racism may have been intentional, accidental or somewhere in the vast grey area in-between.

ABC's footage may not have shown blood or scrapes, but there's no evidence whatsoever that they somehow doctored the footage with the intention of hiding zimmerman's injuries. that gets into tin-foil hat territory.

as for zimmerman being "an overzealous vigilante wannabe cop..." i've seen evidence from all the sources you've cited, and by all accounts that's EXACTLY what he was. i'm unclear in what way you think CBS's version was changed to make him appear even moreso.

happy mother's day :)

~joshua

This is a story about our governor who believes that the way to "create jobs" is to give corporations blank checks. Even when they're eliminating jobs.

My bust.. I did not. I saw 'diebold' and made an assumption..

Ya got me on that one. :D

And if there were a massive liberal media conspiracy, don't you think every other story in the media would be a lot different?

They can't be blatant about it. Or else EVERYONE would realize what's what and rise up..

The way it is now, only the SMART ones realize what's going on.. :D

Michale......

And if there were a massive liberal media conspiracy, don't you think every other story in the media would be a lot different?

Um ... did you read ...? This has nothing to do w/ Diebold voter fraud.

This is a story about our governor who believes that the way to "create jobs" is to give corporations blank checks. Even when they're eliminating jobs.

-David

Touche' :D

I mean, c'mon, even conservatives these days aren't pushing the "liberal media" story as much anymore because by and large, they've bought the media.

If this were true, the Zimmerman story would have been told a LOT differently..

This is why you don't see stories like this in mainstream media:

http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/04/13/diebold-to-collect-56-million-in-state-incentives-eliminate-nearly-400-ohio-jobs/

Aww com'on.. The Diebold/Voter Fraud is so 2000... :D

Don't make me pull out the Breitbart Voter ID Fraud stories! :D

Michale....

Not on this issue you're not :)

It's simply inconceivable that all these different news outlets would alter the story to create a certain fairy tale, the SAME fairy tale, ALL on their own?

It's the same way the nutty birther story got passed along.

The same way all the Reverend Wright BS dominated the media when it came out.

I mean, c'mon, even conservatives these days aren't pushing the "liberal media" story as much anymore because by and large, they've bought the media.

This is why you don't see stories like this in mainstream media:

http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/04/13/diebold-to-collect-56-million-in-state-incentives-eliminate-nearly-400-ohio-jobs/

-David

They have to prove to the Judge's satisfaction, that Zimmerman does not meet the three elements of Self-Defense.

And, considering that the State has already conceded it doesn't have the evidence, Zimmerman's testimony ALONE would be enough for immunity to be granted.

But Zimmerman's testimony doesn't stand alone. There is also eyewitness statements and the physical evidence that supports Zimmerman's testimony to the hilt..

So, you can see why I am confident that, if the law is followed, Zimmerman WILL walk..

There can be no other conclusion. Again. IF the law is followed..

Michale.....

No one is claiming that Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin..

What my little lecture DOES prove though, proves beyond ANY doubt, is that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Justifiable self-defense.

what you've successfully established is that there's no way he can be convicted due to inadequate evidence.

No, what I have established is a cause for self-defense.

You're a fellow Floridian, but you may not know this.

Anytime there is a shooting of this nature, an "Immunity Hearing" is held prior to trial.

At that hearing the prosecution, in effect, presents their case to justify the charge of Murder In The 2nd.. The defense presents their Self-Defense case. This is held solely before the judge, in this case Judge Kenneth R. Lester Jr.

The judge then decides if Zimmerman is to be granted immunity from prosecution based on the evidence presented.

As I outlined above, there are three elements of self-defense that must be served for a judge to rule a defendant has immunity. As I showed, Zimmerman clearly meets all three requirements for a determination of self-defense. Further, the State has conceded, *under oath* that they don't have ANY evidence to refute or contradict the only relevant testimony for self defense. Therefore the Judge simply cannot rule any other way, other than Zimmerman has immunity from prosecution.

Once that happens, the case is over. Zimmerman walks.

And the black community will go ape shit and Florida will burn..

Now, full disclosure..

I called it WAY wrong earlier, when I said that there is NO WAY that Angela Corey (States Attorney, Special Investigator) would charge Zimmerman with anything. I stated that the evidence doesn't support any charge. This is still the case. The evidence doesn't support ANY charge, let alone a charge of Murder 2. But it's obvious that Corey was influence by political considerations and made the utterly bogus charge of Murder 2 to appease the black community..

So, while I adamantly state that Zimmerman will walk at the immunity hearing, that statement is contingent on Judge Lester following the law and the evidence. If the Judge bases his decision on ANY other consideration, then all bets are off..

I honestly don't expect that to happen, though. I have watched every instance when Zimmerman was in court before Lester and he seems to be a pretty standup guy, not to be trifled with or influenced by politics. His rulings have also clearly supported the defense and he has, on several occasions, smacked down the State when they tried to pull some bogus crap..

I have also researched Lester (yea, like David said, I am obsessed.. :D) and he has sat on some pretty high profile murder cases and has handled them strictly according to the law. He is also close to retirement so he likely won't be influenced by political considerations..

All of that considered is why I am confident that Zimmerman will walk at the Immunity Hearing..

And, when he does, there will be riots.. Oh boy will their be riots...

And, if that happens before the election, you can bet that it will likely sink Obama's re-election faster than the Titanic...

Michale.....

Ahhhhh.. I see the problem now...

Joshua, that is EXACTLY what the MSM did.

NBC altered the transcript of the 9/11 call to make it look like Zimmerman was racist.

ABC altered the Sanford PD contonement footage to make it look like Zimmerman wasn't injured by Martin's attack.

CBS changed the facts to make it look like Zimmerman was an overzealous vigilante wannabe cop...

It's simply inconceivable that all these different news outlets would alter the story to create a certain fairy tale, the SAME fairy tale, ALL on their own??

An agenda was being served by all these lies. The agenda of black Democrats in Congress... The agenda of the perverse likes of Sharpton, Crump and Jackson..

Michale

That's not what they did. there was only one person creating false spin, the lawyer who fed the story to CBS. the rest were just lazily repeating the story the way they'd heard it told.

and for that matter, you ought to check what you've actually proven; it's not that zimmerman was innocent. what you've successfully established is that there's no way he can be convicted due to inadequate evidence. in a court of law it may mean a verdict of "not guilty," but that's not the same as saying he's innocent.

No, what's the stretch is that ALL these HUNDRED different news organizations, ALL of their OWN volition, decided to alter the facts to tell the SAME story and they did it ALL on their own w.o comparing ANY notes whatsoever.....

And then black Democrats ALL on their own w/o ANY discussion amongst themselves OR with the news organizations OR the black {sic, barf} "leaders" ALL came up on the same script, singing the SAME tune...

ALL completely and 1000% independently of each other...

And THAT's "not much of a stretch"??? :D

I guess we define "stretch" differently... :D

Michale....

because it's unlikely to have been engineered, or investigated much at all, for that matter. the way the system works is that when one network runs with a story, the others follow. it's easier than coming up with their own stories. we already know the martin story was constructed by a lawyer based on his own and his clients' interests. the only assumption required to fit my viewpoint is that most news editors are essentially lazy, and that's not much of a stretch. the left-wing conspiracy hypothesis requires many additional assumptions, making it much less likely.

but that's just my educated guess. if we jumped off the conjecture train for a second, there's no definitive proof either way.

Actually, there is definitive proof..

Let me go into "lecture" mode for just a few moments....

{lecture}

Under FL Statues, there are three elements necessary to show a cause for self defense.

1. A reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily harm or death.

2. An expressed desire to disengage.

3. Not in the commission of a felony.

Now, let's superimpose these elements over the Martin shooting.

Did Zimmerman have a reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm or death?

Yes. The eyewitness testimony and the physical evidence both support Zimmerman's testimony. And, under the conditions that Zimmerman faced, it would be reasonable to fear imminent serious bodily harm or death.

Did Zimmerman express a desire to disengage.

Again, Yes. The eyewitness testimony supports Zimmerman's testimony that he yelled for help. Yelling for help is a clear expression of a desire to disengage.

Was Zimmerman in the commission of a felony?

Quite clearly, no...

So, what do we have?? We have ALL three elements of Self Defense satisfied..

What took place prior to the last 30-90 seconds of Martin's life is completely and utterly irrelevant to the determination of self defense.

It doesn't matter who followed who, who confronted who, it doesn't even matter WHO threw the first punch.

By FL Statute, the ONLY things that matter are those three elements. Everything else, while possibly contributory, are completely irrelevant..

Just based on that, Zimmerman will clearly walk at the Immunity Hearing..

But there's more..

We know for an absolute FACT that the State has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to refute or contradict Zimmerman's testimony of that last 30-90 seconds of Martin's life.

We know for an absolute FACT that this is the case.

How do we know??

Because the State Attorneys Office stated so. **UNDER OATH**...

All these facts are public knowledge..

ALL of that constitutes "definitive proof" that Zimmerman is not guilty of ANYTHING...

{/lecture}

Maybe now you can understand why I am so pissed off at the black Democrats and the black community and the MSM...

Granted, I have over two decades of security, military and LEO investigative experience...

But none of this is rocket science.. None of this requires any formal training or any special tools or insight..

All that is required is to maintain objectivity and let the facts take you to the logical conclusion..

1. every single individual in the whole entire MSM system takes marching orders from the DNC and the president, with not a single dissenting republican or non-partisan voice.

2. some assistant associate news editor in broward searches through thousands of potential news stories, sees something that looks like it will hold some viewers, and sends it to the associate news editor. the associate sends it to the fact checker, the fact checker signs off on it without paying it more than casual attention. the lead editor sees that it has all the elements of a compelling news story, assumes it's been vetted and runs with it. all are too lazy to care where it came from or what political agenda it serves.

Apparently, the former is the case..

Because it wasn't just a single assistant assosciate news editor in Broward County..

It was the news staff of Good Morning America, NBC, ABC and a whole host of others that all put out different parts of the story. The ONLY thing in common with all these different parts is that they were ALL fabricated, based on the Fairy Tale that Crump, Sharpton et al wanted to tell...

Now, you tell me how a single assistant assosciate news editor in Broward County could engineer all that??

It's not possible..

But a nationwide collusion amongst Crump and Sharpton, with President If-I-Had-A-Son-He-Would-Look-Like-Trayvon Obama and Attorney General I-Never-Met-A-Blank-Panther-Scumbag-I-Didn't-Want-To-Protect Holder playing their parts and black Democrats in Congress ready to pass ridiculous resolutions???

Well, employing Occam's Razor, it's clear that the latter explanation is the more likely one, once all the FACTS are put forth..

This topic is likely done to death.. AGAIN.. :D

I'll grant you that my theory about a nationwide on-going total sellout of the MSM to the Liberal Democrat agenda might be a long row to hoe.. That side of things IS debatable, to be sure...

But it is undeniable that, in the case of the Trayvon Martin shooting, the Democrat/Liberal agenda of crying racism where none exists was fully served over and over again by virtually ALL of the mainstream media..

No other conclusion fits all the facts..

Michale....

Or the MSM is entity with a social conscience who will bend the facts to protect society, profits/ratings be damned..

Michale,

you might as well say the same thing about ChrisWeigant dot com comment section.

i'll repeat this again: The MSM are not an individual.

They are a system that contains many individuals, each with his or her own opinions and priorities, the first of which is keeping their jobs. As such, they frequently behave in ways that would not make sense if a single individual were to behave that way. since (except at fox) the institutional control is minimal, individuals within the MSM system are frequently lazy and serve the interest of the overall organization only as much as they must to avoid being fired. so if it seems their overall behavior is somewhat schizophrenic, that's probably because it is.

regarding the "facts" of the trayvon martin case, i've seen all the same information you have, at the wagist site and elsewhere. my impression based on what i've seen, heard and read is that the conflict happened due to a misunderstanding. my conjecture is that martin (being young and impulsive) thought he was being stalked and rushed to confront his apparent stalker. twice. the first confrontation was recorded, the second wasn't. zimmerman (being someone older who should have known better) did not identify himself as an authority and did nothing to dispel the appearance that he was stalking or instigating, which to a limited extent perhaps he was. so, too much testosterone and not enough communication resulted in tragedy.

but that's just my educated guess. if we jumped off the conjecture train for a second, there's no definitive proof either way. the crux of the issue revolves around what happened within the span of a few seconds that nobody outside of zimmerman or martin actually saw or heard.

getting back to the media version of events, the attorney brought CBS the story the way HE had framed it, and whatever individuals vetted the story were apparently too lazy to look at anything beyond the appearance that the story would create buzz, which in fact it did.

you tell me which is the more likely scenario:

1. every single individual in the whole entire MSM system takes marching orders from the DNC and the president, with not a single dissenting republican or non-partisan voice.

2. some assistant associate news editor in broward searches through thousands of potential news stories, sees something that looks like it will hold some viewers, and sends it to the associate news editor. the associate sends it to the fact checker, the fact checker signs off on it without paying it more than casual attention. the lead editor sees that it has all the elements of a compelling news story, assumes it's been vetted and runs with it. all are too lazy to care where it came from or what political agenda it serves.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
- H.L. Mencken

Well, I ain't a conservative, so there goes your theory out the window right off the bat.. :D

But, watch this...

It's always interesting to me how Liberals see anything that doesn't support their agenda as "pushing an agenda".

Lookey there!! It still works!! :D

And here again...

Everything which doesn't say what they want is "pushing an agenda" or is "supporting the enemy" or is the "conservative media".

It works!! :D

Seems to me more like there's the conservative "agenda" and then everything else.

Try looking at things from the standpoint of a person who serves NO political agenda...

It's a real eye-opener... The secrets of the universe are revealed... :D

Michale......

It's always interesting to me how conservatives see anything that doesn't support their agenda as "pushing an agenda".

Everything which doesn't say what they want is "pushing an agenda" or is "supporting the enemy" or is the "liberal media".

Seems to me more like there's the conservative "agenda" and then everything else.

-David

AND the WSJ...

I think I now need to take a shower :)

heheheheheehe.. Now THAT's funny.. :D

So ... Liberal = gays + blacks?

That was simply in response to your (assumed) point that Disney = Conservative..

When a media outlet participates in the culture wars (on either side, it by and large doesn't matter), they're entertaining, creating controversy, and obscuring the details about how the country is being run.

In general, you may be right.

But the nuts and bolts mechanics of the details paint a different picture...

It paints a picture of an entity that is pushing a certain ideological agenda to the advantage of one Party over another...

Michale....

Your Drudge article points to CNBC.

I think I now need to take a shower :)

Try to find this story anywhere in the mainstream media.

Dangit. I thought I'd cut that line out :). My bad. You got me. It will appear, but you'll see a lot of the 'rogue trader' story in the MSM.

Wasn't Disney the first large company to give benefits to gay partners??? And to have gay celebration days at their theme parks?? :D

So ... Liberal = gays + blacks?

It seems like you're talking 'culture wars'.

Culture wars is the entertainment. When a media outlet participates in the culture wars (on either side, it by and large doesn't matter), they're entertaining, creating controversy, and obscuring the details about how the country is being run.

-David

From today's news. JP Morgan $2 billion loss.

Try to find this story anywhere in the mainstream media.

You mean, like on Drudge??

JPMORGAN Hit by 'Egregious' Trading Losses...

'Many errors, sloppiness, bad judgment'...
http://www.drudgereport.com

:D

I am not the financial genius you are (I say that with sincere admiration)

Wasn't it a rogue trader???

According to Drudge, there seemed to be a long list of problems..

Michale.....

You really seem obsessed w/ Trayvon/Zimmerman.

Yea, I admit it. I am..

Like I said above, it's partly because it happened in my own backyard.. But mostly because the blatant manipulation and outright lies by the MSM and black Democrats just royally piss me off...

1. The Iraq War. The MSM basically backed the "weapons of mass destruction" story and the Al Qaeda is in Iraq story.

That's because, at the time, it was based on allegedly reliable evidence. I am constrained to point out that it wasn't just the MSM that backed the story but Democrats in Congress as well..

2. The "too big to fail" story put out by the financial industry when the banks failed. Every media outlet in the country jumped on the "we have to rescue the banks" crap.

You'll recall that I was (and still am) totally against it. So you are preaching to the choir on that one...

3. The Obama birther story. This should have been wingnut territory and yet every outlet was repeating the claims.

Personally, I think there is merit to the story. And, I bet you would to if you objectively considered the evidence..

But the simple fact that the MSM overall ignores the story (One story from ABC notwithstanding) pretty much proves my point..

To be fair though, ABC *does* seem to be less in the bag for Obama than the other outlets.. But, they lost any credibility they might have had with me when they ran that doctored Zimmerman Injury video...

Disney. A bastion of liberalism :)

Wasn't Disney the first large company to give benefits to gay partners??? And to have gay celebration days at their theme parks?? :D

Michale.....

From today's news. JP Morgan $2 billion loss.

The liberal story would be that this is a systemic issue. Wall Street has a fundamental problem which was caused by deregulation around 1999.

Try to find this story anywhere in the mainstream media.

Here's the conservative storyline ... Any time something bad happens in the financial industry, it's the result of a "rogue trader".

Compare for yourself which story gets more coverage in the MSM. Here's an example of what the "rogue trader" story looks like:

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/another-rogue-trader-jp-morgan-2-billion-loss-162431768.html

-David

Underwear bomb plot: British and US intelligence rattled over leaks

Leak about UK involvement described as despicable by CIA as anger turns to Obama administration for compromising mission

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/11/underwear-bomb-plot-mi6-cia-leaks

Michale.....

You really seem obsessed w/ Trayvon/Zimmerman.

How do you explain all of the instances when your "liberal" MSM media remains silent or backs a conservative agenda?

I'll list just a few:

1. The Iraq War. The MSM basically backed the "weapons of mass destruction" story and the Al Qaeda is in Iraq story.

2. The "too big to fail" story put out by the financial industry when the banks failed. Every media outlet in the country jumped on the "we have to rescue the banks" crap.

3. The Obama birther story. This should have been wingnut territory and yet every outlet was repeating the claims.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-birth-certificate-forgery-arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio/story?id=15825342

You seem to think that Fox and Fox along backs these, but the entire mainstream media passed on these lies by and large without factually disputing them.

Finally, when it got to the point that the birther story was just too wingnut-y, the outlets stopped airing. But they gave it a lot of press and occasionally it still pops up.

That's um ... ABC BTW ... Disney. A bastion of liberalism :)

-David

House Dems trained to make race the issue
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/house-dems-trained-make-race-issue/537146

There is actually a training seminar for Democrats on how to play the race card..

Give me a frak'in break!!!

Michale.....

"Is that it, Dad? Did the penguin make you do it?"
-Adam Sandler, BILLY MADISON

:D

Michale.....

Maybe the problem is more basic here.

Maybe you don't see the problem with what the MSM is doing because you actually believe that the story the MSM is putting forth is what really happened.

That would explain a lot..

Is this the case? Do you actually believe that Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason at all because Zimmerman was racist??

Michale.....

First, you want to claim that the MSM is all about ratings and profits and, in their estimation racism sells. So they will push a fairy tale storyline of brutal racism that is nothing but pure fantasy..

But when ratings/profits incentive is pushed to the next logical step of pushing race riots, all of the sudden the MSM has developed a social conscience and they are concerned that their (non-existent) mis-reporting will cause race riots..

You can't have it both ways.

Either the MSM is all about profits/ratings to the exclusion of EVERYTHING else..

Or the MSM is entity with a social conscience who will bend the facts to protect society, profits/ratings be damned..

Or maybe it's something simpler..

The majority of the MSM is in bed with the Obama Administration and takes marching orders from the White House.

That's why they ignore/under-report racial attacks on whites by blacks, that's why they push the Zimmerman=Racist fairy tale and that's why they try to shove the Institutionalized Racism Is Alive And Well BS down everyone's throats...

My theory has a lot going for it.

A- It's simple

and

2- It fits ALL the facts.

Michale.....

a news organization's potential for profit depends on its ability to maintain at least the illusion that it is serving the public. riots stoked by their own mis-reporting of a story both would damage the perception that they serve the public and leave them open to lawsuits, so it is doubly in their interest to avoid seeming complicit in the creation of violence.

But there's one problem with this theory..

If the MSM had gone with the Zimmerman-as-the-good-guy story, they WOULDN'T have been mis-reporting ANYTHING.

THAT story would have been based on the facts of the case..

Therefore, the MSM WOULDN'T have opened themselves up to any lawsuits or such because they simply reported the facts..

So once again. If profits are the goal and we all agree that race riots would sell and sell BIG, then the LOGICAL course of action for the MSM was to report the FACTS of the case and let they rioting begin..

They would have had their race riots to make their profits AND they would have been reporting on the facts..

If your theory on the MSM being all about profits is the right theory then, no matter HOW ya'all slice it, the SMART choice would have been to report on the facts..

Once again, we're back to the theory that the MSM is pushing a Liberal/Democrat agenda..

It's the ONLY theory that fits ALL the facts...

Michale.....

a news organization's potential for profit depends on its ability to maintain at least the illusion that it is serving the public. riots stoked by their own mis-reporting of a story both would damage the perception that they serve the public and leave them open to lawsuits, so it is doubly in their interest to avoid seeming complicit in the creation of violence.

Now THAT's a good point.. That makes sense to me..

the other basic fact that you're not seeing is that the old left-right paradigm at this point is essentially an illusion. the real conflict in our society right now is a conflict of class, not ideology. it's between the corporation and the individual. whether the treyvon martin case is lefty or righty ultimately doesn't matter much; what does matter is that the reporting holds our interest and keeps us watching commercials. in that sense, sharpton and jackson are a lot like re-runs of i love lucy, they're something with which we're all familiar, and to which we're accustomed. they may be outdated and offensive, but they're still entertaining.

As does this as well..

My beef is that no one around seems to be outraged by this..

But if FNC or Drudge had tried this sort of blatant manipulation in service of a RIGHTist agenda/issue, ya'all (and the entire Left) would go thru the roof..

I guess that's what bugs me most of all..

Superman: How long have you been married?
Ricky Ricardo: 15 years.
Superman: And they call ME Superman!

hehehehehehehe Now THAT's funny!!

And rather ironic.

I had mentioned that quote to my wife in the context of a different discussion we were having, not two days ago.. :D

Fascinating...

David,
I think you're misunderstanding the news. News reports on things that have happened.

Yes, and it WOULD have happened if our political leaders down here if Florida had played by the rules..

That's my point..

But there is. It's called divisive anger. It boosts ratings. People click and people watch. This boosts the bottom line and is why stories "break".

Which corporation does this benefit that wouldn't be benefited by making Zimmerman the hero of the story and Trayvon Martin the villain???

THAT story at least has the benefit of being supported by the facts..

I'd agree with some of this statement. I'm not sure if you've noticed or not, Michale, but Fox News loves Al Sharpton. Not sure about Jesse, but I'm guessing he gets a lot of media time on Fox as well

Yea, well that doesn't make it right. Matter of fact, I would think that would be MORE of an incentive for the Left to condemn Sharpton..

But the Left doesn't.. Why not?? I am not talking about the MSM now, I am talking about you and Joshua and LewDan and Paula and Elizabeth and Kevin and.. Did I miss anyone??? ...

Ya know.. The REAL "Left"??

Why don't ya'all condemn this blatant racism exhibited by our government and the blatant media manipulation???

I do think President Obama is a much better spokesman than some of the folks cited though.

Yea, I would agree with that. But that doesn't say very much.

Charles Manson is a better spokesman than Sharpton and Jackson and Crump et al..

Michale......

I think you're misunderstanding the news. News reports on things that have happened.

There is NOTHING in the Trayvon Martin fairy tale that the MSM is pushing that benefits corporations at all.

But there is. It's called divisive anger. It boosts ratings. People click and people watch. This boosts the bottom line and is why stories "break".

As a Black male, I am amazed at how each time a Trayvon Martin like case occurs, the MEDIA seeks out and appoints the same tired, and exploitive individuals as "Black leadership" as if we voted for them.

I'd agree with some of this statement. I'm not sure if you've noticed or not, Michale, but Fox News loves Al Sharpton. Not sure about Jesse, but I'm guessing he gets a lot of media time on Fox as well.

Isn't that interesting? Why do they love Al?

I do think President Obama is a much better spokesman than some of the folks cited though.

-David

just for you, i will work on it. in the mean-time, the point i'm trying to make is that the media are not an individual, they are a system. that system consists of corporations, which are required by law to put profit ahead of personal agendas.

a news organization's potential for profit depends on its ability to maintain at least the illusion that it is serving the public. riots stoked by their own mis-reporting of a story both would damage the perception that they serve the public and leave them open to lawsuits, so it is doubly in their interest to avoid seeming complicit in the creation of violence.

the other basic fact that you're not seeing is that the old left-right paradigm at this point is essentially an illusion. the real conflict in our society right now is a conflict of class, not ideology. it's between the corporation and the individual. whether the treyvon martin case is lefty or righty ultimately doesn't matter much; what does matter is that the reporting holds our interest and keeps us watching commercials. in that sense, sharpton and jackson are a lot like re-runs of i love lucy, they're something with which we're all familiar, and to which we're accustomed. they may be outdated and offensive, but they're still entertaining.

Superman: How long have you been married?
Ricky Ricardo: 15 years.
Superman: And they call ME Superman!

I find myself having to correct... myself...

"In short, Captain, I'd like to suggest that I be the one who that... that it be me who is assigned to represent them... myself."
-Demi Moore, A FEW GOOD MEN

.. Anyways, where was I??

Oh yea...

I should have said that the institutionalized racism that, unsanctioned, discriminates against black people is dead...

Institutionalized Racism that penalizes and discriminates against white people is alive and well.

It's called "Affirmative Action"..

I swear, only human beings could come up with such a ludicrous plan to "fix" racism by applying racism...

Michale.....

As a Black male, I am amazed at how each time a Trayvon Martin like case occurs, the MEDIA seeks out and appoints the same tired, and exploitive individuals as "Black leadership" as if we voted for them. The truth of the matter is these individuals are responsible for such incidents as much as the alleged perpetrator by not doing 1 thing to prevent them (which can be easily done). If such incidents as the Trayvon Martin case didn't occur what would Russell Simmons, Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton do to legitimize themselves, and in regards to the latter 2-make a living. The truth is they all PROFIT from such incidents, and have zero incentive to see them prevented. These people are typewriters in an Apple and Google world, and need to be gotten rid of by Blacks if we sincerely want to move forward

With respect to LewDan, I think THIS person represents best how the black community feels about things. In my conversations with black people in other forums over the Zimmerman shooting, the gist I got from them over and over is the same sentiment expressed above..

They abhor that their views are being represented by a few callous money-hungry racists at the expense of the black community's integrity...

Institutionalized racism is dead. Even if there WAS a time that Sharpton's and Jackson's racist leadership was needed (which I highly doubt) it's clear that their time is past.

Like the poster above said, they are typewriters in a GOOGLE/APPLE world...

Michale......

I've heard nothing about race riots. What race riots are you talking about?

The race riots that WOULD have happened if Angela Corey had not bowed to the extortion of the black community and charged Zimmerman with Murder 2.

A charge, I might add that the State has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support. Do you know how I know this? Because the Lead Investigator for the State stated so. *UNDER OATH*

An interesting side note. Why is it that our government have to appease the black community so they won't riot, but no one worries about white people rioting???

Also, I can't find any info about this congressional resolution you mention - little help please? I could actually see something like this happening so I believe you, I'd just like to check it out.

I'se aim to please. :D

The resolution states that the February shooting of Martin “sets a horrific precedent of vigilante justice and compromises the integrity of the legal system.” It also says assailant George Zimmerman’s “unfounded assumptions and racial bias led to the use of deadly force.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/04/black-lawmakers-introduce-martin-resolution-119616.html

There are so many blatant lies in that little blurb, it's amazing...

p.s. You seem a bit hung up on this Trayvon thing.

Yea, I am.. It happened pretty much in my back yard, so proximity has a lot to do with it. Plus it's a case that I have studied six ways from Sunday, so I can honestly say that I am an expert on it..

But what really has held my fascination about this story is the complete and utter blatantness of the actions of blacks in Congress and the MSM to push a fairy tale that is completely and utterly devoid of ANY facts whatsoever..

All the news I'd like to see (as one of the libbiest liberals ever) has nothing to do with Trayvon or racism.

Then you are a minority amongst the libbiest liberals ever.. Because every Leftist site and outlet out there pushes the fairy tale that is devoid of facts.. Not one Leftist site out there is interested in the facts of the issue...

Most of what I'd like to see is buried beneath mounds of bleeding drama and corporate infotainment.

But that's my whole point. There is NOTHING in the Trayvon Martin fairy tale that the MSM is pushing that benefits corporations at all...

The ONLY people benefiting are the Martins (they are making a TON of money off their dead son) and Crump, Sharpton and Jackson, the racists who brought all this misery down on Florida and the nation...

That's why I can't understand the claim that it's all about ratings. It's not because the BIG Ratings would go with pushing the Zimmerman side to the hilt and watch the country burn under race riots..

But that would be bad for the Obama Administration, so the MSM is under strict orders from the government NOT to push the facts of the case...

You want more evidence of government collusion??

Why hasn't Holder arrested any of the Blank Panthers for solicitation to commit murder??

It goes on and on and on and on...

Michale.....

How does the under-reporting and non-reporting of racist attacks by black mobs against white people fit into your "it's all about ratings and is not designed to serve the Leftist/Democrat agenda" theory??

Michale.....

if you want i could drawyou a flow chart

By all means.. I would love to see that. :D

Because I am hard-pressed to see your side whereas the national MSM would push a fantasy storyline on behalf of some local pissant racist lawyer and his clients for the purpose of ratings but push the storyline in a way that does NOT really put the ratings thru the roof.

If the goal is ratings, it simply makes no sense.

So, maybe the goal ISN'T ratings...

Michale....

Why would the MSM push a certain agenda on behalf of a pissant racist public relations lawyer and a set of parents who all but ignored their kid until they could make money off of him?

It makes no sense.. The MSM (remember, we're talking national here) would have nothing to gain by pushing this story on behalf of Crump, Martins, Sharpton et al...

If your position is that the MSM wanted to sell a story for profit/ratings reasons, then it stands to reason that they would have pushed the story all the way to race riots as THAT would have really pushed the ratings thru the roof..

Nope. The ONLY conclusion that fits ALL the facts is that the MSM wanted to push a racist storyline to serve the agenda of the black community and black Democrats in Congress..

That's the only conclusion that fits ALL the facts..

Michale.....

um, no. the agendas "being served" are a combination of ideological and economic, not the least of which is the martin family's desire to gain a big financial settlement from the community that permitted zimmerman to be a neighborhood watch leader. for the first ten days the case was only covered by local media. CBS This Morning was convinced by their attorney to cover the story. his motive was economic, as was theirs. the people on the bottom level who approved the spot probably weighed both their own political views AND the potential for ratings gold. if the story had been brought with a more right wing slant (teen thug wasted by vigilante hero) then whether or not it ran would be decided by the slowness of the news day, the laziness of the reporters and whether or not fox had already done the investigative work for them. news executives would have been all too happy to run it that way, if it got past the first hurdle.

Look how much we're talking about it. That's buzz, my friend.

For something to make the news, it has to have happened in some way.

I've heard nothing about race riots. What race riots are you talking about?

Also, I can't find any info about this congressional resolution you mention - little help please? I could actually see something like this happening so I believe you, I'd just like to check it out.

-David

p.s. You seem a bit hung up on this Trayvon thing. All the news I'd like to see (as one of the libbiest liberals ever) has nothing to do with Trayvon or racism. Most of what I'd like to see is buried beneath mounds of bleeding drama and corporate infotainment.

For example, who is giving money to our politicians and what they are receiving in turn. Here, many conservatives (mostly Tea Party folks) I know actually agree.

And THEY (the black community and the black Democrats) don't WANT race riots.. Because, if THAT happens, they become "the bad guys" again...

So, I think it's safe to say that, with regards to Trayvon Martin and the MSM spun fantasy, that it IS the agenda of the black community and the black Democrats that is being served..

No other conclusion fits the facts..

Michale.....

And, it's clear, by the MSM pushing the particular Trayvon Martin fairy tale, that the personal agendas being served belong to blacks and black Democrats...

That's all I have been saying.. Well, at least with regards to THIS specific issue..

Does it apply nationwide???

I believe it does...

But I accept that you wouldn't...

But, I think we can BOTH agree that the agenda being served by the MSM pushing the Trayvon Martin fantasy IS the black community's and the black Democrat's agenda...

Michale.....

but what you're not seeing is that the MSM's motives are more complicated than being JUST about ratings and money. there are people in the mix with their own individual agendas; most on the bottom rung lefty, most on the top rung righty. ratings/money is just the common denominator on which they all agree. inciting race riots might serve the financial agenda, but it wouldn't serve most personal agendas.
~joshua

But wouldn't race riots achieve MORE ratings???

It seems you are ascribing a financial/ratings motivations to the MSM, but not taking it it it's logical conclusion??

Racism sells.. Sure.. But Race Riots!??? That's the E=MCsquared, the Holy Grail of the MSM ratings agenda...

Why would the MSM push a fairy tale that serves a Racism appeitizer, but not take it to the next logical step??

Because the ratings issue wasn't the agenda...

The Liberal/Democrat/Racist issue was the agenda...

Or are we to believe that the MSM execs were all cynical about pushing a Bullshit Racism issue, but all of the sudden found god and religion when it came to the REAL ratings monster...

Race Riots....

I don't buy it...

Michale.....

RATINGS result in advertising dollars. without racism to spice it up, the story is frankly kind of pedestrian, a misunderstanding between a cocky teenager eager to prove what a big man he was and a wannabe cop who couldn't follow procedure if it stuck its rear end in his face. with just that, MAYBE it would make the local newscast. but with the racism angle, it's turned into a national story. politicians and pundits and media of all stripes have chimed in, not to mention us. ratings, internet views and the like are all economically advantageous to the outlet that gets them. that this story yielded high ratings and economic advantage to its news outlet is self-evident.
~joshua

I dunno..

It seems to me that, if the MSM pushed the REAL story line, that Trayvon Martin was just a gangsta thug, likely just got high and wanted to pound down on some cracker and got his ass blow'ed away when he chose the wrong guy, that THAT would be a storyline that Joe Q Public would eat up six ways from Sunday..

THAT story line would sell papers for days..

Especially when the black community started rioting as a result of that factually based story...

THAT would sell papers for WEEKS!!!

The black community rioting is a guaranteed news maker... Just ask LA after the Rodney King verdict..

But it seems the MSM went out of their way to create a media construct, a fairy tale that PREVENTED the rioting.. And, incidentally, gave black Democrats in Congress ammunition to further their OWN personal agenda...

Racism sells???

Racist riots sells a HELLUVA lot more..

So WHY did the MSM go out of their way to create a media construct, a fairy tale that was a DETRIMENT to their financial well-being??

Only one answer makes sense..

To further the Liberal/Democrat agenda...

Michale.....

I am not trying to be argumentative.. Well, not MUCH anyways... :D

But it seems to me that you and David are trying to make the case that the MSM does this, does what they do, not to serve a political agenda, but rather to serve a revenue agenda to the MSM..

Now, intellectually, I understand that and the cynic in me would likely agree...

BUT....

But, I don't see what revenue agenda is being served by the MSM pushing a racist fairy tale in a case that is utterly and COMPLETELY devoid of racism..

In THIS particular case, the ONLY agenda being served by the MSM is the agenda of the black community, as epitomized by the likes of Sharpton and Jackson and the black Democrats in Congress..

Absolutely NO OTHER agenda is being served by the MSM pushing the racist fairy tale of the Trayvon Martin shooting...

That's all I am saying...

If I am wrong, by all means.. Show me what other agenda is being served by the MSM in this particular case...

Michale.....

racism sells. whether it's liberals wanting to prove it or conservatives wanting to disprove it, this story absolutely generated a ton of buzz, and the MSM knew it would. the fact that we're still discussing it months after the fact proves it.

So, explain to me how pushing a racial agenda in collusion with Democrats generates "buzz" and "advertising dollars"???

There is absolutely NO reason for the MSM to push this racial fairy tale OTHER than to further the agenda of the black Democrats in Congress and the black community as epitomized by the gross and perverse likes of Sharpton and Jackson??

You and David want me to believe that the MSM is pushing this racist agenda for money..

Yet, it's undeniable that, while the money IS pouring in, it is pouring in to the Martins and Sharpton and Jackson and Crump...

There doesn't seem to be any financial benefit to the MSM by pushing this racial agenda that, coincidentally benefits the Democratic Party...

Unless you are saying that the MSM is getting kickbacks from the Martins/Crump/Sharpton et al and the Democrats in Congress???

What it all boils down to is ONE question...

WHY is the MSM pushing a racist agenda in the Trayvon Martin shooting when the facts clearly show that no racism existed??

The only LOGICAL answer is to serve the black community and, by extension, the Democratic Party.

No other possibility fits the facts...

If you have another possibility....

"I'm all ears...."
-Ross Perot, 1992 Presidential Debates

:D

Michale....

that's not really accurate. as i perceive it, the overall bias in the non-fox, non-clearchannel media tends to be bimodal, with the majority of reporters being skewed to the liberal and the majority of executives being skewed to the conservative. so most of the MSM has a tension between the top and the bottom of the pay scale. the executives will okay a liberal story if it makes them money, but would be more likely to approve a conservative-biased story when they have a choice.

before the "conservative media" existed, that tended to cause the MSM to skew center-left, since no one at the bottom wanted to investigate anything that appealed to the top. the ascent of fox news changed the dynamic because the executives maintain much more autocratic rule over the reporting - thereby making conservative-framed stories easily available to other news outlets (which the MSM executives like). with a few exceptions, the reporters generally tolerate conservative-biased stories that fox and the like generate, since it allows them to be lazy and report a story without investigating it on their own.

therefore, the MSM is currently neither liberal nor conservative, but merely whatever most quickly generates buzz and advertising dollars.

I always thought it was..

But since we have a black Attorney General, I guess it's not illegal for a black militant group to solicit murder for money...

What a world we live in...

Michale.....

It's not something that happened "suddenly"... It's been going on for years.. Even before Obama ascended to the throne..

It probably started around the time of Bush and his Iraq mis-adventure.. I dunno.. Maybe the MSM felt that they served the Right agenda TOO much and this is their way of over-compensating...

- All the articles about how great Occupy Wall Street was

Seriously!?? Were you in a cave!??

- All the articles/segments against the Iraq War

Again, seriously!??? Do you REMEMBER the Bush Years post 2003???

- All the articles/segments against corrupt Wall Street bankers

OK, are we in some alternate reality where the TAX THE RICH meme that reached a crescendo in the liberal MSM never happened???

I need to find the wormhole back to my own quantum reality!!!

BTW ... I laughed.

Yea, it's pretty ridiculous... :D

And yeah, most people I know would have to admit that the comparison pic was misleading.

This entire debacle was one misleading pic/story/construct after another..

I am just amazed at the complacency of it all..

Given the history around CW.COM of calling their media on their transgressions, I am amazed it doesn't warrant a mention..

On the other hand, the baggage it brings with it is pretty hefty indeed... Not many want to get ensnared in such a one sided-debate where it's obvious that the Media is in bed with the Martins, so-called black {gag} leaders, Sharpton, Jackson, Blank Panthers...

You must admit.. The MSM, as epitomized by ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS etc etc are all toeing the Obama line...

Again, do you see any stories calling for Holder and the DOJ to investigate the Blank Panthers and their DoA bounty on Zimmerman??

Not a one..

They are too busy pushing the HOLDER IS SUING ARAPIO meme...

Don't you find that strange at all!!???

Here is a militant black group who puts a DEAD OR ALIVE bounty on an innocent American citizen and Holder doesn't say dick!!

Yet, Holder is all over a county sheriff in Arizona...

You don't find that strange!?? You don't think that it's the LEAST bit race related???

Michale....

BTW ... I laughed. And yeah, most people I know would have to admit that the comparison pic was misleading.

If the process I described is correct, then there is no place where behind the scenes liberals suddenly decide to print stories to serve some hidden agenda.

Again ... how it works
1. An article or segment draws attention
2. It creates outrage or controversy
3. It gets picked up by other media looking to draw attention
4. It spreads

If the mainstream media were trying to spread a "liberal agenda" where are:
- All the articles about how great Occupy Wall Street was (Oh right ... the majority of those articles painted them as criminals.)
- All the articles/segments against the Iraq War
- All the articles/segments against corrupt Wall Street bankers
- All the articles/segments detailing continued drone warfare by the Obama administration
- All the articles by people like CW
- All the articles/segments like this one about John Kasich giving Diebold millions in a "job incentive program" to fire people

http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/04/13/diebold-to-collect-56-million-in-state-incentives-eliminate-nearly-400-ohio-jobs/

Hint: Not in the mainstream media.

There is no spoon ... :)

-David

But what it depicts, the fairy tale it tells is EXACTLY what the MSM aired... That's the fairy tale that Democrats in Congress followed when the decided to do a resolution that condemns an innocent American citizen of being a racist without ANY evidence whatsoever to support the claim..

That was my point...

I mean, lets turn it around..

Imagine the hysterical outcry from the Left (and MANY people on here) if the GOP conspired with Drudge and Fox News and put forth a resolution that said that Sandra Fluke was a terrorist without ANY evidence to support the claim??

Would you be blase about it??

I honestly doubt it...

You would be acting EXACTLY as I am acting now...

Michale.....

Which Democrat in Congress created this?

Or which mainstream outlet aired it?

This looks like the work of "some guy's blog" not the mainstream media. Just sayin' :)

-David

Having said that, I must grudgingly concede that the Liberal MSM has done a really bang up job in convincing many Americans that the Trayvon Martin shooting was a racist incident of a "white hispanic" man stalking, profiling, hunting down and killing in cold blood, an "innocent" black teenager..

The Liberal MSM has been VERY competent in marketing that fairy tale..

Credit where credit is due...

Michale.....

That's another picture that shows the Media Construct created by the Liberal MSM and Democrats in Congress..

Do you realize that there are actually people in this country who actually BELIEVE that the picture is an accurate depiction of what occurred..

Allegedly intelligent people actually buy into that gross and perverse media misrepresentation...

It's mind-boggling...

Michale.....

I have always liked that commentary of yours.. :D

Michale.....

I know that picture..

http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-photos-images-race-baiting-obama-photo-media-bias-sad-hill-news.jpg

:D

I agree with everything you said.. Well, other than the conservative vs liberal thingy..

I agree as to the process..

MY point is that the MSM by and large use that process to further a LIBERAL agenda...

There is no disagreement between you and I on HOW it's done or WHY it's done..

The only disagreement between us (as far as I can tell) is WHO it benefits..

And, as clearly indicated by the Zimmerman case, the media manipulation definitely furthers the Liberal agenda..

And WHAT manipulation! I mean, my gods! They don't even TRY to hide it anymore.. Blatant manipulation of the facts up to AND INCLUDING simply making shit up...

And, in the case of the Trayvon Martin case, solely and completely to further the liberal agenda.

And, just as obviously, Democrats were in on it. Can you recall a House Resolution specifically targeting an American Citizen to declare him a racist without ANY evidence whatsoever to support such a claim!???

In the 220 years that this country has been in existence, I don't think it has EVER happened! Not once...

THAT's what has me so pissed off. Frankly, it insults my intelligence that Democrats could think they could get away with such blatant lying....

Again, I see what you are saying. And, as far as you go, you are dead on balls accurate.. You are correct in saying that Drudge and FNC do what they do to further the conservative agenda...

But you have to admit that ALL of the other MSM outlets serve the Liberal Agenda... ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, PBS, NY TIMES, LA TIMES, TIME MAGAZINE, NEWSWEEK and so on and so on and so on..

The whole of the Right Wing MSM can be summed up in two words.. Drudge... Fox...

The whole of the LEFT Wing MSM can be summed up by all the outlets I just mentioned and so many more...

The fact that Drudge and (to a lesser extent) FNC are the masters is an undeniable testament to their competence. Or, more accurately, to the incompetence of the Liberal MSM.. A Liberal MSM that has the strength of numbers, but has an agenda that Joe Sixpack simply doesn't agree with...

Michale...

I can tell you how I think this happens. Much of this is based on what I've seen and some based on my experience as a writer.

When you write news stories for a newspaper, magazine, or TV, your goal as a reporter is to accurately describe events.

Your goal as a newspaper, magazine, or television station, however, is to get viewers or readers or whatever.

Why am I talking about this?

Because the way to get the most viewers or readers is to make something controversial. And ... to do this in the quickest way possible. This usually means the headline or a picture.

The most successful (and by successful, I'm talking about viewers here) articles are those with the most controversial headlines or pictures.

Here's an example of mine which was published in the New Haven Advocate. It was a satirical letter to conservatives which I wrote to highlight the difficulty of coming up with compromise solutions.

http://www.ct.com/news/advocates/commentary/nm-nh30nc-mcconnell-20110718,0,908409.story

The editor changed my title and added in the picture of Mr. Beck crying.

Why? It generates controversy. The golden rule. If it bleeds, it leads.

Ok. How does this relate to Trayvon Martin?

This is a lot of conjecture here, but here's how I think the story "broke".

The first appearance I saw of the Trayvon Martin article had 2 pictures. The convict, George, and a sweet-faced kid right next to each other.

My first thought when I saw this was: Holy crap, how could that convict have been threatened by that kid?

Something doesn't sound right. And reading the story, there were a lot of holes, a lot of things which sounded as if a travesty of justice had been committed.

In other words, the story provoked outrage. Forget the details, let's just focus on the media aspect of the story.

So what happened? A lot of people read the story. Or saw the initial story. It generated buzz.

What happens when something generates buzz in the media is that it gets picked up by other media outlets.

Your example of Drudge is a great example. Drudge is trying to do the same thing. He's constantly trying to generate outrage so that his stories get picked up by the media. I don't agree with his opinions, but he knows how to generate buzz and get people riled.

This is how stories typically progress through the media. And it the story makes it to AP or UPI (one of the wires), then it is spread like wildfire by everyone who uses the AP for news.

Do people try to manipulate the system?

Sure. I think Chris' most recent article on Obama and gay marriage is a great example.

Is this system liberal or conservative?

By and large, it's neither.

It's corporate.

News has to make money. What makes the most money? Whatever gets the most views. What gets the most views? Whatever is the most controversial.

Hence the age old maxim, if it bleeds, it leads.

And what's controversial? The Right vs. Left game or any variation of it.

Do politicians try to manipulate it? Sure. Is it coordinated? Nah. But it can appear that way when a story catches fire.

My take, anyhoo.

-David

Depends on which issue we're talking about..

I can speak authoritatively to the Zimmerman issue, as that is the one I am most familiar with...

In that case, the liberal MSM is pushing a racist agenda by trying to make the case about racism when the actual incident had absolutely NOTHING to do with race...

And how are they coordinating?

I don't know, but it's obvious that, in the Zimmerman case, there IS coordination between Democrats in Congress and the Liberal MSM...

Michale....

So what is this "liberal agenda" that you think just about everyone but Fox is trying to "push"?

And how are they coordinating?

-David

Well, that just sucks purple panther piss... :(

Michale....

no, it's pretty much hopeless.

~joshua

Now we have Al TawanaBrawley/DukeLacrosse Sharpton claiming that Republicans have "declared war" on black people.

The "victim" card get's played over and over again and Sharpton is a master at playing it..

Of course, he makes MILLIONS off of it, but that's OK....

Anyone who listens to the likes of Sharpton deserves every bad thing that happens to them...

Michale.....

Gay for Pay
Obama reversal on same sex marriage comes just days after donors threatened to withhold funds
http://freebeacon.com/gay-for-pay/

Damn it, he got me again!!!

Michale.....

Just like the Zimmerman story wasn't a "LEFTY" storyline at the time. It was a clear cut textbook example of self-defense..

It's only when the racist provocateurs Crump, Sharpton and Jackson became involved, did it become (and still is) a LEFTY media construct totally devoid of facts...

Michale.....

I'm not sure what happened, but it's worse than you think. Your comment wasn't just held for moderation, it was actually marked as spam and thrown in the spam bucket. I've rescued it, but if anyone else has this happen, please post a comment asking "what happened to my other comment" so I notice it. It's an automatic filter, so sometimes I have no idea why it marks things the way it does, but I'm always happy to fix its mistakes.

I was going to ask about that.. I know when I make a post that has too many links, I see a message, "YOUR POST HAS BEEN HELD FOR MODERATION. OUR APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY"...

Now, does EVERYONE see that message?? Or just the person leaving the post???

First, as for when the MSM uncritically followed a rightie storyline? Um, the Iraq war, perhaps?

Good point.. However, the "storyline" was correct, based on all the evidence we had at the time..

In other words, it wasn't a "righty" storyline at the time. It only became so in hind-site, which we all know is 20/20...

It's a far cry from actually manipulating the facts, altering transcripts and purposely mucking up video to support a certain agenda.. ALL of which was done in the Zimmerman case...

Second, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You complain that Fox "opinion" shows aren't fair game, that you're just talking about "news" shows here... and then you cite a COMEDY show (SNL) as proof of the VLWC. Please be consistent.

Again, a good point.

The "talking about news shows" was in response to David's point about MSNBC and Joe Scarbough... Much later down the line was when I came across the SNL thing and, while not hard news (true) IT IS a good example of the Leftist MSM.. Much like when SNL savaged Palin and left the Obamas alone..

So, while not a HARD NEWS example of media bias, like the Zimmerman debacle, it's still media bias nonetheless...

Michale.....