"There is not a one-shot solution to all of this."
-Michelle Obama, when asked about the racism aspect of the Trayvon Martin shooting.

I mean.. Honestly.. "one-shot solution"???

Surely, the First Lady could have come up with a better idiom...

Jeeeeesh..

Michale.....

I would concede that the point that Rosen likely formed in her brain (a stay at home mom with billions of dollars and servants etc etc is unlikely to know how a stay at home mom who lives paycheck to paycheck) is probably a true and correct point.

But to come out and say that a stay at home mom never worked a day in her life?? I can't believe that somewhere along the synapses of Rosen's head circuitry, a RED ALERT wasn't sounded at all before the thought got to her lips...

I guess what I am saying is that her comment WASN'T right. It was dead wrong..

However, I will concede that the thought process behind the comment was likely a good point.. Rosen just presented it in the WORST possible manner..

Rather than attempt to defend the indefensible, as she had done, she should have immediately corrected herself with something along the lines of:

"I said that poorly. I don't mean to say that SAHMs don't actually work. Everyone knows it's damn hard work raising kids. What I meant to say is that a woman raising a family who has billions in assets and servants galore is not really equipped to address the concerns of a woman who raises a family while living paycheck to paycheck."

THAT's what Rosen should have said...

Her comment was wrong in so many ways. But I will concede that what she was likely TRYING to say was accurate..

"Oh stewardess! I speak jive."
June Cleaver, Airplane!

I'm soo proud.. {{sniffle}} :D

Michale.....

name-calling is not unique to the right, it's a well-traveled propaganda technique. that aside, you're far from the first to mistake michale for a troll, because he frequently uses the same language and tone you'd find on fox. the difference is that regulars here are generally able to back up their points of view with evidence. if not, they get called on it.

a troll continues to argue every talking point the same no matter how much hard evidence is stacked against it. some of us may be a bit stubborn, but when presented with a superior argument we do eventually change our minds, michale included. but he also follows the same principle that ms. rosen would have done well to remember. until the conclusion of the argument, stick to your guns, and don't walk it back except in the face of overwhelming evidence that you're wrong. hilary rosen was right in her comment, and she should have argued more like michale. (except perhaps for the tv/movie quotes)

"Oh stewardess! I speak jive."
June Cleaver, Airplane!

Oh my gods, the religious fanaticism and demagoguery is so thick it's sickening...

ALL HEIL BARACK THE FIRST!!!

Gag me with a spoon....

Seriously, people??? No red lines yet???

Michale....

Just for the record, I am in complete agreement regarding your MDDOTW award..

It's been a while, eh?? :D

Michale.....

Frankly the Secret Service "scandal" is a load of crap. Unworthy of the label...

But the GSA?? Couldn't have come at a worse time for Obama....

Michale....

Nope.. Not a damn thing. :D

All the political clout that Obama wasted on CrapCare was well and truly wasted..

Imagine what Obama might have accomplished if he had used his clout and placed his emphasis on the needs of the country instead of the needs of the Democratic Party...

Obama would likely be heading for a landslide victory in Nov, instead of the ignoble defeat that is likely...

Michale.....

Perhaps it would be easier for you to come up with one substantial economic policy that Obama/Biden/Geithner put in place that made a great improvement to the health of the economy and/or the financial system.

Whatever you come up with, I can guarantee you that the congressional Republicans and Mitt Romney were and are opposed to it. That is because, unlike you, they don't care about the health of the economy or the financial system or of the well-being of the nation itself. Their destructive behavior over the course of the last three years has quite amply demonstrated that, in no uncertain terms.

:D

Michale....

It's not a one-off issue..

And, as the facts show, things are slowly (VERY slowly) getting better. So, there isn't ONE thing I can point to that made things "worse"..

But I can point to MANY things that were done that have SLOWED down things getting better. I even mentioned one in the previous comment.

All the Stimulus money that Obama gave to political cronies that rewarded Party Obedience over actual business smarts...

Solyndra is the best example. They got hundreds of millions because they supported Obama, NOT because it was a good company to invest in..

I can point to MANY companies that followed this same trend.. Companies that were given taxpayer dollars for political connections rather than for being a good investment. And then went bankrupt and the tax payers are left holding the bag..

If those billions and billions of dollars had gone to companies that actually had a good plan, then our economy would be a LOT better today... This is undeniable...

My point isn't that Obama has made things worse. Although he has and even HE admits it..

My point is that if it weren't for Obama making some really bone-headed moves and rewarding political loyalty over business acumen, this economy would be a LOT better today than it is..

And that is simply undeniable...

Michale.....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/17/jay_leno_even_obama_is_doing_worse_under_president_obama.html

Michale....

Oh, you are going to have to come up with something better than that to demonstrate that the economy would be in better shape.

I challenge you name one substantial economic policy that Obama/Biden/Geithner put in place that made things worse.

I called you a troll because you spend a lot of time on a liberal site arguing and baiting people for fun.

Actually this site is a reality based site, not liberal. :D As far as "baiting people for fun" this would imply you know what is in my head, which you surely don't..

You resort to name-calling on a regular basis (ie your above comment that Hilary Rosen is not a real woman... and your... verbose "welcome" to me).

I never claimed Rosen wasn't a "real" women. I was using that as an example. But it pissed ya off, eh? Now maybe you can understand how Right Wing women feel when they are castigated, demonized and attacked by the Left, eh??

Also, without reading more than one paragraph of my words, you assume you can sum up my life's experiences to a narrow & unchallenged sphere & that I am a bigot

Yes, your words clearly show that you suffer from political bigotry..

I don't think it's a broad enough demographic to overshadow all the Republicans do (transvaginal probe, anyone? nuisance fair pay act?) to denigrate women.

You claim "all the Republicans" do to denigrate women..

What about Democrats who denigrate women?? What about all that Democrats do??

But that doesn't count because it's REPUBLICAN women being denigrated, right?? It's OK if Ann Romney or Sarah or Bristol Palin is denigrated, right??

When you can get as angry when an Ann Romney or a Sarah Palin are attacked as you do when a Hilary Rosen is "attacked", then you will have shown that you are not suffering from political bigotry.

You mention that "nuisance fair pay" act. Yet, we come to learn that Obama's White House pays women less than men..

According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehicks/2012/04/11/awkward_obama_white_house_pays_women_less_than_men

Do you still want to discuss how Obama's "Acts" on what he preaches??

These are those "facts" that I mention that show maybe what you believe is not in keeping with reality..

When you can honestly say, "Ya know, Democrats really frak'ed things up on Issue A and the Republicans really got it right." then you will show that you don't suffer from political bigotry.

But, when you start with the conclusion that Republicans are always wrong and then work from there... Well, what else CAN it be called other than political bigotry??

I have no love for the Right Wing... Everything you can say about them is likely true, as far as I am concerned..

*MY* only beef is the belief around here that, some how, some way, Democrats are better than Republicans.

This, despite an overwhelmingly large amount of factual evidence that proves that it just ain't so...

Now, if my pointing out this blatant fact is what you call "spending a lot of time on a liberal site and baiting people for fun" well that's your opinion.. I respect it... I simply show (with facts) that your opinion is not in keeping with reality..

Michale.....

Elizabeth,
Thank you for the welcome. You are very kind.

Michale,
I called you a troll because you spend a lot of time on a liberal site arguing and baiting people for fun. You resort to name-calling on a regular basis (ie your above comment that Hilary Rosen is not a real woman... and your... verbose "welcome" to me). I don't confuse quantity of posts with quality. Also, without reading more than one paragraph of my words, you assume you can sum up my life's experiences to a narrow & unchallenged sphere & that I am a bigot. Your statement "You have the right to believe what you wish. Even if it is totally incompatible with the facts. :D" seems to be your personal motto and raison d'etre on this site.

Nice to meet you, too. As a Southerner, I'll say, "God love ya."
Glynnis

I'm afraid to say that you are flat out wrong.

I respect that opinion. I just don't happen to agree with it. :D

All you have to do is look at a simple comparison of how Democratic policies under the Clinton administration versus those of the Bush administration have impacted the economy.

Clinton had the Dot Com bubble. Any attempt to draw a conclusion on the Clinton era would be tainted by that outlier.

And, when you have completed that task, compare and contrast where the US economy is today - steadily recovering after the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression - to where it was three and half years ago - circling the drain, as I recall - when Obama was sworn into office.

I am just going by Obama's and Axelrod's own words..

I am also constrained to point out that it's likely the economy would be in even BETTER shape had Obama not made some really bonehead moves..

Giving Stimulus Funds to companies based on political connections, rather than on merit or business acumen is one of his more obvious ones.

Obama is a politician, which is about the worst possible thing I could say about anyone. :D

I don't believe we've been properly introduced. Welcome to CW.com, the premier site in the blogosphere for intelligent political discourse, when Michale is on holidays, that is.

And the ref takes a point away!!! :D

Personally, I cannot imagine this place without our Michale, our fearless leader in the comments section. You will come to understand that and all that it means if you should decide to stick around and to post here more often. Which I sincerely hope you will do!

Yer sweet.. :D Thanks

GlynnisI,

You would be taken a lot more seriously, if you didn't resort to name-calling, just because you disagree with someone's political perspective.

I am also constrained to point out that it's obvious that you don't even know the definition of an Internet Troll, as your use of the term is completely inaccurate..

But far be it from me to deny you the pleasure of your own political bigotry. :D

You have the right to believe what you wish. Even if it is totally incompatible with the facts. :D

Michale...

I don't believe we've been properly introduced. Welcome to CW.com, the premier site in the blogosphere for intelligent political discourse, when Michale is on holidays, that is.

I'M KIDDING!

Seriously, this IS the premier site for intelligent political discourse around the internet(s) and you will soon learn that Michale is an integral part our little community here, keeping us all honest and at the top of our debating game.

Personally, I cannot imagine this place without our Michale, our fearless leader in the comments section. You will come to understand that and all that it means if you should decide to stick around and to post here more often. Which I sincerely hope you will do!

And so, if you've come here to debate the issues, then you had better come prepared - for rhetorical battle and for the most fun you've had or will ever have at any other political blog, bar none!

Cheers!

I'm afraid to say that you are flat out wrong.

All you have to do is look at a simple comparison of how Democratic policies under the Clinton administration versus those of the Bush administration have impacted the economy.

And, when you have completed that task, compare and contrast where the US economy is today - steadily recovering after the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression - to where it was three and half years ago - circling the drain, as I recall - when Obama was sworn into office.

Any Independent worth his or her own salt should be able to successfully complete this analysis - in their sleep, for God's sake! :)

Why would Independents be drawn to Romney or, for that matter, to any Republican calling for a return to failed Republican economic polices?

Probably because it's been clear that the Democrat economic policies are much much worse..

Don't take my word for it....

"Of course Americans were better off four years ago than they are today."
-President Barack Obama

"The choice in this election is between economy that produces a growing middle class and that gives people a chance to get ahead and their kids a chance to get ahead, and an economy that continues down the road we are on..."
-Obama Spokesman David Axelrod

Face the facts. Democrats have failed this country.. They had a virtual lock on all facets of government and made it worse...

And you think that four more years of Democrat rule will actually IMPROVE things???

Seriously!???

GlynnisI,

but don't even bother reading Michale's posts. It's just troll-speak.

Of course.. It's much easier to simply disregard facts and evidence you don't like, rather than actually have to THINK that you might have made some bad choices..

It's called an echo chamber.. But I don't have to tell you that. You are obviously quite comfortable in such surroundings...

Gods forbid you should actually think for yourself. It's easier just to spout propaganda and call people names...

I feel sorry for you...

Agree with your point, fwiw. :)

Of course you do...

"We are at war with Eurasia.. We have always been at war with Eurasia..."

Michale.....

Agree with your point, fwiw. :)
G

Why would Independents be drawn to Romney or, for that matter, to any Republican calling for a return to failed Republican economic polices?

Grrrrrrr....

Obama has a tough row to hoe as he cannot win withOUT us Independents/NPAs....

Michale.....

Independents/NPAs are swinging towards Romney, 45% to 39%....

Obama has a tough row to hoe as he cannot win with us Independents/NPAs.... :D

Michale.....

Rosen says that Ann Romney is not a "real" SAHM, so her opinion doesn't count..

One could easily say that, since Rosen is a lesbian, she is not a "real" woman so her opinions on women's issues doesn't count..

Once you start quantifying people's "qualifications" based on some arbitrary, prejudicial and politically motivated set of parameters, where does it end??

Michale.....

One can ask the same thing of Obama??

How many servants does HE have, eh? :D

Romney pays for his own servants..

You and I pay for Obama's servants.

I'm just sayin'....

Michale.....

Yeah, Linkins is a riot and a half when's he's on top of his form...

:-)

I wrote on a comment over at HP that the longer this squabble goes on, the more people notice Rosen's main point -- that Ann Romney is not exactly your prototypical SAHM. The question which devastated John McCain was a simple one: "How many houses do you have?" A similar question could be used for the Romneys: "How many servants do you have?"

-CW

nypoet22- I wish Rosen had explained her true point better rather than just falling into the mommy pit that she did, but don't think further attack would have worked. Some things are treated as 'sacred' by the GOP and upper/middle class mothers at home are on that list.

I AM a stay-at-home mom, a Christian, and a Southerner. I'm also a Democrat. I know that I'm fortunate that through hard sacrifice my family is able to manage on one income. I agree with Ms. Rosen's point that it seems unlikely that Mrs. Romney understands how painful some choices and sacrifices are for other stay-at-home moms. I can't imagine having even 1 million dollars, much less the fortune(s) the Romneys have.

One of many reasons I support President Obama is that he's able to articulate and ACT ON his own positions regarding women's issues. He doesn't have to turn to his wife to translate 'woman speak' for him. He gets it all on his own.

Really the whole "stay at home" mom crisis leaves me exasperated. There aren't that many of us left. A majority of wealthier sahm's seem to vote Republican. I don't think it's a broad enough demographic to overshadow all the Republicans do (transvaginal probe, anyone? nuisance fair pay act?) to denigrate women. Also, Chris Hayes scored big points on this subj. on his program this morning. See Romney's statements RE welfare moms needing work outside the home to experience "the dignity of work."

I'll never, never understand politics.