Troo dat... :D

Ditto for Hobson and Molson, or whatever the names were of those nobodies you mentioned.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on their importance.. Carson was just handed the prestigious MDDOTW award, so his name should at least ring a bell or two..

Sadly, CongressCritters like Wilson, Waters and Carson are becoming more and more representative of the Left as a whole...

I miss the good old days when liberals tried to kill people with kindness.. Back then, it was easy to tell the liberals from the conservatives....

These days you can't tell them apart without a playbill...

"Your good and your evil use the same methods to achieve the same goals."
-Yarnek, STAR TREK TOS, The Savage Curtain

Michale.....

Ditto for Hobson and Molson, or whatever the names were of those nobodies you mentioned.

And I would venture to say that she would have been a HELLUVA lot better of a President than Barack Obama.

At least Palin had some actual executive and leadership experience...

As the state governor with the highest approval rating in the nation..

It's assured that she definitely couldn't have done worse.. Even if she did/will bomb Houston.. :D

http://sjfm.us/temp/palinpres.jpg

Michale.....

Wilson said that the Tea Party is "the enemy"...

Now, I don't know what YOUR definition of "divisive" is, but......

Sarah Palin by contrast was in line to be one very shaky heartbeat away from the presidency, and has had a very high profile ever since.

And that makes her divisive??

You still haven't pointed to one single thing that Palin has done to deserve the vile hatred from the Left...

Michale.....

Who?

Maxine Waters has some name-recognition, but Carson and Wilson are such common names that I actually don't know who you're talking about.

Sarah Palin by contrast was in line to be one very shaky heartbeat away from the presidency, and has had a very high profile ever since.

Jeezus, dsws.. You are describing practically every politician that comes down the road.. :D

So, why is it that Palin deserves special ire for allegedly being that way and REALLY divisive Democrats like Carson, Waters, Wilson etc etc are given a pass??

Have you considered the possibility that Palin is NOT intentionally divisive, but rather that's simply how the Left perceives her??

It's a well known fact that humans project unto others their own faults...

So, if the Left accuses Palin of being divisive perhaps the Left is simply projecting their OWN actions and thoughts and feelings upon Palin..

Something to think about, eh? :D

Michale.....

Good point...

I stand corrected..

Michale.....

She had the highest approval rating of any governor in the 50 states..

I'de say that qualifies as "great"... But that's just the political agnostic in me...

Her manner is grating to many liberals. She comes across as not only somewhat phony (remember the winking?) but deliberately divisive.

Do you know the story of Job?

Seems Job was getting a little peeved about all the bad luck that he had been having. So, Job went before the Lord and asked, "Lord, what have I done to earn such misfortune?".
The Lord looked down upon Job and said, "I dunno. There's just something about you that pisses me off."

What you are saying is that there is just something about Palin that pisses the Left off..

Is that REALLY grounds for such vile and vindictive hatred??? Not only directed at Palin but also her family!!??

Seriously??

I thought liberals were all about peace and love and inclusiveness and live and let live...

Michale.....

Her manner is grating to many liberals. She comes across as not only somewhat phony (remember the winking?) but deliberately divisive.

And on the telephone if I intended to say X and it got a little garbled so that you heard Y, there's no record to look at to clear things up.

Oooohh I dunno...

With a telephone or words on a printer, there is a degree of culpability and responsibility..

If I call you on the phone, I KNOW it is YOU that is saying such and such..

The Internet doesn't have that level of responsibility, as the twits from #attackwatch surely prove... :D

Michale.....

I can't tell you it wasn't funny, though, because it is.

No way that was Lincoln. Gotta be either Mark Twain or Shakespeare.

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There shouldn't be districts. Voters should get to choose which seat to vote for.

Michale.....

http://thefloridachannel.org/watch/redistricting/307/Redistricting%20Hearing%20-%20South%20Miami/

my speaking time is around 1:09

senator gaetz responds around 2:45

(i said fair districts aren't that hard to draw and tend to look basically rectangular, and he misinterpreted it to mean it's easy and every single district must be a perfect rectangle. he was kind-of a jerk, but i have him on camera promising that if my students' work is good then it'll be used and he'll pay for the bus to bring them.)

I came across a tagline that I just HAVE to share with ya'all... :D

"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."
-Abraham Lincoln

:D

Now just tell me that wasn't funny!

Michale

I don't argue with true believers because they don't argue ...

Actually, I am as politically agnostic as they come.

It's you who come across as a political ideologue..

Why do you hate Palin so much?? Simply because she is a conservative??

It's like Protestants hating Catholics simply because they are Catholic. Yet both are religious fanatics who see themselves as having god on their side.

So it is with political fanatics.. On the Left, fanatics hate Palin simply because she has a different set of beliefs and values.

On the Right, they hate Obama simply because he has a different set of beliefs and values..

Me? I am in the middle forsworn to no political party or ideology. That allows me to call 'em as I see 'em unfettered by fanatical dogma...

Give me ONE good reason why the Left hates Palin so much..

Just ONE *good* reason..

You win, Michale. You are right. I am wrong. Sarah Palin is the best thing since cut bread.

The issue is not whether Palin is the Wicked Witch Of The West or the best thing since cut bread..

The question is, what has she done to be so vilely and disgustingly attacked? Not only herself, but her CHILDREN as well!?

According to all reports, prior to the 2008 Palin was respected by Democrats in Alaska..

What makes them wrong and you right about Palin??

If you don't want to answer, that's fine... But I think it's more of a situation that you don't have any facts to back up the hatred..

That's fine too.. :D

Michale.....

I don't argue with true believers because they don't argue ... they state and expect you to believe. By arguing, you validate the points they make.

You win, Michale. You are right. I am wrong. Sarah Palin is the best thing since cut bread.

'Nuff said.

You can split hairs all ya want, but the simple fact is Palin was a great governor for Alaska and she enjoyed bipartisan support from her constituents..

Why can't the Left give credit where credit is due??

Contrary to the Left's perception, Palin is NOT the Wicked Witch Of The West...

Where does this unabashed and illogical hatred come from??

Michale.....

Except for the 99.7% of "every day Americans" who had never heard of her, prior to the 2008 election. Or is "Americans" supposed to be a contrast with "Democrats", instead of contrasting Americans overall with only Alaskans?

Really??

Murdoch is forcing all the other media outlets to chase Palin down incessantly and hang on her every belch??

Who do you think Murdoch is??

Eliot Carver??? :D

Michale.....

Ahem....

"One only has to look at Palin's broad bipartisan appeal prior to the 2008 Election.."

Palin enjoyed the HIGHEST approval rating of any governor in the US...

She was greatly admired in Alaska by Democrats as well as every day Americans..

It was only after the Hysterical Left got their hooks in here after her ascension to the VP nomination did her ratings start to suffer...

The best indicator of her worth as a politician and as an American is her "stats" prior to the 2008 election...

And those are, across the board, positive.. HIGHLY positive across the political spectrum..

"These are the facts. And they are undisputed."
-Kevin Bacon, A FEW GOOD MEN

Michale.....

Then how was Obama able to open the biggest can of whupass on McCain since Bush/Dukakis?

"Certainly one of the most prevalent reactions to Palin's run as vice-presidential nominee was her appeal to base Republican voters, a conclusion that is reinforced by the current data showing that 76% of her fellow Republicans would like her to be on the national scene in the years ahead. The negative reaction from Democrats is not unexpected, but the tepid reaction from independent voters might give Palin pause as she contemplates her future."

Nov 8, 2008

gallup.com/poll/111883/no-clamoring-palin-become-national-political-figure.aspx

I also take issue with the "the Left has underestimated" statement. You are correct that the "Left", which includes Karl Rove, has definitely underestimated her staying power, but there is nothing in her head to underestimate I would expect that a constant presence on Rupert Murdock's "news" network might a TEENY-TINY bit to do with her current supposed influence.

And on a slightly different tack, I haven't seen any huge efforts by anyone to get her endorsment. Which is not surprising seeing as how in 2010 she made 64 endorsements and 31 lost (20 in the general 10 in the primaries). In the baseball, a record of 33 and 31 over three years gets you a smaller contract. Who says baseball doesn't reflect reality??? Furthermore, 16 of the 20 general election losses were TP.
washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/palin_tracker/

She is a cult figure. And has been from the start. She was not a formidable politician, she was not a politician at all, except in the most narrow of definitions. Kinda like Ralph Nader without brains. As for her current formidableness, well, just ask Joe Miller.

Whether or not she will enter the ring in any capacity is, as you have most correctly noted "...Nothing Palin achieves will surprise me anymore..." Although I wouldn't use the word achieves, I would use the term attempts.

You and I completely agree on one thing, though: "Time will tell...".

That's a pretty good analysis and I can't find any fault with it...

Except for one teeny tiney thing....

The Left has elevated underestimating Palin to a national past-time..

Nothing Palin achieves will surprise me anymore...

One only has to look at Palin's broad bipartisan appeal prior to the 2008 Election..

THAT is the real Palin and she was a formidable politician.

And, considering the recent NY Time OpEd, it's looking like that Palin might be coming out..

Time will tell...

Michale.....

That having been said, I can't see Palin in the race at all. I think she is lazy. Campainging at the top of the ticket is hard work. It's no fun to be hacked at by people who actually are good at what they do (politics).

On the electability front, she has the highest negatives in history and there is no way for her positives to increase. I don't think she has a chance at the R nomination, and its not because she has waited so long. I don't buy the argument that Perry and Bachman are currently enjoying the Palinista vote. I think Perry has expanded far beyond that vote. Further, I'm not sure that Palin could take them back if she did try ... and that assumes she doesn't indulge in any debates.

I'll go a step further. I doubt that Palin will be a "Fox analyst" after the election next year. She's just not that good and frankly, not that interesting (have you ever actually SEEN one of her political segments?). Irrespective of the your political positions (or lack of them) she is boring.

Bashi and I agree!!

About Al Sharpton anyways.. :D

Michale.....

Stipulated for the sake of argument. She's not, but stipulated.

She's got two paths to take to win the White House -- run as a Republican, or run as some sort of Independent.

"Some sort of independent" is not a path to the White House.

Which gets into the question of reading her mind -- something nobody's ever been very successful at doing (myself included, to be completely fair).

Me too. Or me neither, or something. Anyway, my prediction has already been proven wrong. I said she would form a committee early, raise a pile of campaign money, drop out early, and use the money both to play kingmaker (or Mama Grizzly maker) in other elections and to enhance her plausibility as a candidate in 2016.

Or is this all some sort of late-summer Liberal fantasy my brain has dreamed up?

'Fraid so.